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Hundreds of WikiLeaks Mirror Sites Appear
New York Times ^ | 12-5-10 | RAVI SOMAIYA

Posted on 12/06/2010 1:31:07 PM PST by FS11

Since several major Internet companies cut off services to WikiLeaks in recent days, activists have created hundreds of mirror sites, Web sites that host exact copies of another site’s content, making censorship difficult.

The collective Anonymous, an informal but notorious group of hackers and activists, also declared war on Sunday against enemies of Mr. Assange, calling on supporters to attack sites companies that do not support WikiLeaks and to spread the leaked material online.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: wikileaks; wiklileaks
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To: going hot
questions, questions:

1)How many souls in the US standing armed forces?--no clue; 500,000?

2)How many private citizens that are discharged/retired from armed forces of the US? 1,000,000? under age 65.

3)How many people in the CONUS that can hit a pie plate at 600 yards with a rifle?--200,000?

I really don't know the answers to your questions. My point was that after considering questions like yours and mine, the "authorities" are likely to conclude that the only wining move in imposing tyranny on the American people is not to force a violent reaction. Slow and steady has been working fine for them since the 1930's.

41 posted on 12/07/2010 2:27:15 PM PST by jonathonandjennifer
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To: abb
Ok. I’ll bite. We’re all gonna be taken over by totalitarians and be forced into slave camps. What do you suggest be done about it?

There are no magic bullets. Only tedious hard work.

1- Become a realist. Do not support quixotic movements like WikiLeaks that will only drive government to greater levels of secrecy and force them to greater measures of control over the one FREE worldwide communication system that ever existed.
2- Support with time & money, true grassroots movements that have a chance to make a real difference for freedom like the Teaparty movement.
3- Develop and espouse a conservatism that does not settle for a little less liberalism than the Democrats promote, but father one that seeks to ROLL BACK the bureacracy.
4- Support with time & money those running for office who share your values.
5- Send regular email to your state & federal legislators articulating your values and either praising or condemning them for their support of same.
6- Have an email list of your moderate and conservative friends and regularly email them links to articles that support conservative values.
7- Have a separate email list of your liberal friends or acquaintances and once a week email them a personal comment or two and a link by common sense and polite conservatives. Walter Williams and Michael Medved are 2 of my favorites for this.
8- Have a Facebook account and develop F/B friends. Once a day or every other day post a link to a Williams or Medved type conservative article. Mine has over 3,000 friends.
9- Develop a Twitter account and work it the same as your Facebook. Mine has over 85,000 connections.
10- Encourage all your conservative friends to do the same things you are.

Freedom is never created top down but always bottom up, one idea at a time, mind to mind and person to person. It is always grassroots driven and when successful it is always achieved by putting principled, grassroots leaders in power.

Zero's latest apparent cave in on the Bush tax cuts, if he sticks to it, may be the harbinger of his weakness of character to follow through on the ultra-liberal agenda of the Democratic hard left. I hope so 'cause that would be an indication that many of my fears will not be realized. Unless the firestorm from the left tempers any metal he has into the resolve one would need for that kind of takeover.

Even so the above is a blueprint for action to make a real difference.

42 posted on 12/07/2010 2:39:37 PM PST by DWar ("The ultimate destination of Political Correctness is totalitarianism.")
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To: abb
“They” are gonna take over and “they” already have the power and the technology.--My comment was that if "they (basicly, people with money/power who think they know best and should run the world)" want to censor the internet and technically can, they will. I don't agree they will shut it down and start over; that would destroy world finance and many other human endevors.

Because “they” can’t, that’s why. The citizens still run the show here in the USA.--I agree. See my post above.

43 posted on 12/07/2010 2:44:39 PM PST by jonathonandjennifer
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To: jonathonandjennifer
My only objection to DWar's arguments is with the assumption of how far troops and law enforcement personel in the USA will go in opposing the citizens

I don't want to be right.
I hope my fears are all proven wrong.

Perhaps America is truly so exceptional that the humans who lead us are not corrupt and the people who influence them not hungry for power. Perhaps the people who serve in American law enforcement are not suceptable to mental persuasion or conditioning.

Do you see TSA agents refusing to grope nuns and 5 year crying old children? They're just doing their job. Isn't that what so many said at the Nurmberg trials? This is all part of the mental conditioning necessary to create a compliant populous AND an armed service convinced they are protecting the nation.

It's comforting to think that American service people would refuse to behave so coersively towards American citizens but German troops showed little revulsion to draconian behavior with German citizens. Did they love their mothers and fathers any less than Americans do?

Furthermore, by stationing Florida people in California and Oregon people in Maine there is no risk of family feelings being involved. And if you station mostly white troops in minority areas and minority troops in white areas natural personal empathy is even further reduced. Was there any revolt by the troops in WWII as they rounded up the Japanese American citizens and put them into internment camps?

Again, I hope I'm wrong. But the infrastructure is in place. America is awash in gasoline and all that's required is a leader so corrupt and power hungry that he is willing to strike the match.

44 posted on 12/07/2010 3:36:20 PM PST by DWar ("The ultimate destination of Political Correctness is totalitarianism.")
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To: jonathonandjennifer
FYI:
There are just under 1.5 million in the active US military and about the same in the active reserve.
Number of veterans ... 9 million, 1.7 million under age 35.

the "authorities" are likely to conclude that the only wining move in imposing tyranny on the American people is not to force a violent reaction. Slow and steady has been working fine for them since the 1930's.

Your assumed conclusion has been the operational one for decades. However it has been the preferred one used because those in power had neither the legal framework nor an extreme enough ideology to propel them to take the radical action I think they might now take.

In the past "winning", even for the most extreme lefty leader was to preserve the nation relatively intact and prosperous. Their definition for "winning" is different, today than it was in the past. With the best opportunity in American history to take permanent control and since they want an America that is less of a leader and more of an equal to other nations anyway, taking permanent control now of a less prosperous nation is OK by them.

My view is that they are so corrupt that taking power is their primary concern and all others pale in significance to that. Is Kim Il Jung more concerned about his personal power or the prosperity of North Korea? This new ultra- radical leadership is cut from the same cloth as Kim.

45 posted on 12/07/2010 5:01:38 PM PST by DWar ("The ultimate destination of Political Correctness is totalitarianism.")
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Thanks FS11.
The collective Anonymous, an informal but notorious group of hackers and activists, also declared war on Sunday against enemies of Mr. Assange, calling on supporters to attack sites companies that do not support WikiLeaks and to spread the leaked material online.

46 posted on 12/07/2010 5:31:07 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: DWar

Items 2 through 10, already done and have been doing for years. Additionally, I publish an online newspaper that reports on state/local matters from a taxpayer viewpoint.

Glad to see you think that all is not lost and there is hope.


47 posted on 12/07/2010 5:47:05 PM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: jonathonandjennifer
I don't agree they will shut it down and start over; that would destroy world finance and many other human endevors.

That depends on how big a threat WikiLeaks and others are perceived to be. The US government shut down all air traffic after 911 until they were certain the threat to the nation was contained. That cost billions.

And given the suicide bomber mentality of the WikiLeaks people, I think governments will be forced into extreme action, soon.
Info Pirates Seek Alternative Internet

If the threat is seen as life threatening to government, as I believe they'll see it, they'll try to contain the damage within the current system but ultimately will start it all over if they think that's what it'll take. That's why I think Assange and his supporters have catastrophically overestimated their power and underestimated the power of government.

The Free internet is dead. Quixotic utopians just don't know it yet.

Because “they” can’t, that’s why. The citizens still run the show here in the USA.--I agree.

This is a new era. While the USA has been drifting left for decades, the election of ZERO has eventuated in the biggest lurch leftward in history. There is a new reality at work and a new and very different level of corrupt leadership.

The citizens do not "run the show" in America. If they did they would not be allowing child molestation and nude photography of their wives and daughters at the airport.

Democrats have stated openly that Obama will be running the nation by Executive Order for the next 2 years bypassing the new Republican Congress. Congress runs nothing. The Executive branch runs everything through the buraucracies; the FCC, FTC, FDA, CIA, FBI, and mostly by Homeland Security and the Patriot Act.

As it is 99.9% of Americans are focused on just surviving this month. They believe that 100% effort on their part is still so tiny it doesn't matter whether they actually do anything or not.

Our only hope is to create a grassroots revival of desire for freedom such that people actually pay attention and take action to extend it. The minority in power are working 24/7 to take it from us.

It's possible that the grassroots enthusiasm for the Tea Party and Sarah Palin are the last best hope that freedom in America has.

48 posted on 12/07/2010 6:01:25 PM PST by DWar ("The ultimate destination of Political Correctness is totalitarianism.")
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