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Obama struggles to keep Dems from killing tax cuts
AP on Yahoo ^ | 12/7/10 | Stephen Ohlemacher and Charles Babington - ap

Posted on 12/07/2010 5:56:31 PM PST by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama struggled Tuesday to prevent wholesale defections by fellow Democrats that could sink the tax deal he worked out with Republicans — angry opposition that could subject millions of Americans to a big holiday-season tax increase.

Many GOP lawmakers seemed ready to embrace the Obama-GOP compromise and declare victory. The question was whether enough Democrats would join them in support, especially in the House, where liberal resentment of the president's concessions on tax breaks for the wealthiest runs strong.

Obama went on national TV to give a ringing defense of his compromise, declaring it the necessary price for heading off a tax increase that neither taxpayers nor the weak economy could stand and for gaining more months of unemployment payments for millions of jobless workers.

The compromise plan would extend unemployment benefits for millions of people, and reduce Social Security payroll taxes for a year. Workers would pay a 4.2 percent tax rate instead of 6.2 percent.

Democratic leaders in the House criticized the tax plan, sometimes harshly, but stopped short of saying they would try to block it.

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KEYWORDS: democrats; dems; killing; obama; struggles; taxcuts
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The sight of a pack of Dhimmis eating their own.. Priceless.
1 posted on 12/07/2010 5:56:34 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Absolutely, and if the RATS kill the whole thing not only do we get to blame them but we get to remind the libs their boy king voted with us to pass the bill!


2 posted on 12/07/2010 5:58:22 PM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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Merry Christmas to You All!!!

Capitol Christmas : A Christmas tree glows after being lit by US House Speaker
Nancy Pelosi before the Capitol Hill dome in Washington. (AFP/Jewel Samad)


3 posted on 12/07/2010 5:59:34 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge

MessKit


4 posted on 12/07/2010 5:59:41 PM PST by FrankR (Don't let the bastards wear you down!)
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To: NormsRevenge

If the dems kill this bill:

1) The American people will become furious when their paychecks get smaller and blame zer0 and the dems.

2) We can negotiate a MUCH better deal especially on the death tax.

3) Long term memory will help us iin 2010.

This is just the beginning of the benefits to having the dems kill this crummy compromise.


5 posted on 12/07/2010 6:01:10 PM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality. Save America From Bankruptcy.)
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To: NormsRevenge
This is crap about the tax increase being defeated and therefore the “left” is turning against Barry is just another masterful attempt at diversion to try and make Barry look more “moderate”. It’s a big Punch and Judy show, not reality, and a ton of people are happy as hell over “infighting on the left”. No matter how much you want to believe everyone on the left is stupid, they’re not. This is the same guy that nationalized huge portions of the finance industry, took over all student loans, shut down a major portion of the oil exploration industry, intends to have the EPA drive energy prices through the roof, nationalized over half the auto industry, eliminated small farmers creating farming collectives just as sure as Stalin did, and delivered billions of dollars for eugenics based abortions rather than just millions. He wakes up every morning patting himself on the back for being a more successful socialist than FDR and LBJ combined, then swears to catch up with his buddy Hugo Chavez. And anyone believes the left is upset with him or going to abandon him?

Make no mistake about it, the left is very, very, pleased with little Barry and is just making a lot of noise to dupe people the way they successfully duped into thinking that no one, not even Barry the Marxist, could be worse than the Bushhitler. Whoever put this plan into action has to be laughing their butt off at the comments here and elsewhere since with nothing other than a few lefty blog articles they’ve managed to distract everyone into watching the “democrat infighting”. Now that you’re all focused elsewhere, Barry will sneak a fast one into the Executive Order bin or introduce some regulation that will take the economy and your freedoms further down the toilet, all while the majority is gloating over not having their taxes increased. The democrat fascists knew they weren’t going to increase taxes day one of this little “debate”, they just wanted to put the blame on Barry rather than on Congress and they’ve done so very well so far. Hopefully, some democrat in Congress will kill this deal, at which time the blogs now whining about Barry will scream at those halting the deal for “distracting us from getting other things done before the Republicans take over”.

Have a nice day

6 posted on 12/07/2010 6:01:10 PM PST by Rashputin (Barry is totally insane and being kept medicated and on golf courses to hide the fact)
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To: NormsRevenge

Plus more RINOs just got exposed.


7 posted on 12/07/2010 6:02:03 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bailout)
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To: NormsRevenge

They should have passed them before the election and they wouldn’t have taken such a shellacing....


8 posted on 12/07/2010 6:02:12 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: NormsRevenge

This is really the first thing they have “lost?” BECAUSE IF THEY WERE US THEY COULD NOT HANDLE WHAT THEY THROW AT US ON A DAILY BASIS!


9 posted on 12/07/2010 6:02:22 PM PST by ColdOne
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To: NormsRevenge

Bring it on you commie sons of bitches, good luck stealing more of our money via legislation, you are going to need to do it the old fashioned way, at gunpoint.


10 posted on 12/07/2010 6:04:16 PM PST by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: ColdOne

Vote RINOs out. Withhold any money from them. DIMs? BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


11 posted on 12/07/2010 6:04:39 PM PST by hal ogen (1st Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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U.S. President Barack Obama answers a question during a news conference in the Brady Press Room of the White House in Washington, December 7, 2010. REUTERS/Larry Downing


12 posted on 12/07/2010 6:06:12 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge
Let me see. He comes out and announces a compromise

Acts combative as hell (rather than sizing an golden opportunity to look like a leader) and then wonders why his own party is combastive?

13 posted on 12/07/2010 6:11:01 PM PST by llevrok (Born a ham but never cured)
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To: NormsRevenge


Just sitting back, a nice cold beer and some popcorn.

Lamh Foistenach Abu!
14 posted on 12/07/2010 6:12:22 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN '69 - St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle!)
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To: llevrok

Yeah, he might have made a few more friends if he hadn’t taken the opportunity to call the opposition party a bunch of “hostage takers”.

Idiot.


15 posted on 12/07/2010 6:12:59 PM PST by bigbob (.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Don’t give Obama a two year extension, because he just wants a campaign issue in 2012...make tax changes that are permanent and demand a clean bill with NO Dream Act or unemployment insurance extensions.

I like this trade off......index the gas tax for inflation, but also index tax deductions for inflations and increase the standard deduction to $50k and index it for inflation, then let the Clinton tax code return and make it permanent. Lower the corporate income tax to 25% with no tax on dividends or interest, index cap gains for inflation at 20% rate, but zero percent held to retirement. Don’t tax income from overseas operations. Leave the Clinton code with three rates: 15%, 28%, 39.8%—but with the top one kicking in at $1 million income.

Promise to increase consumption taxes when the economy recovers....


16 posted on 12/07/2010 6:14:03 PM PST by Beowulf9
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To: Rashputin

“This is the same guy that nationalized huge portions of the finance industry...”

TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY!!!

Or are just )(&)&(*&^ off?


17 posted on 12/07/2010 6:14:33 PM PST by jessduntno (TSA: "Because screwing you with your pants ON just wasn't enough.")
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To: Rashputin

“This is the same guy that nationalized huge portions of the finance industry...”

TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY!!!

Or are we all just *****ing off on this whole Conservative Tea Party Movement thing? STOP THIS SPENDING BILL!


18 posted on 12/07/2010 6:16:38 PM PST by jessduntno (TSA: "Because screwing you with your pants ON just wasn't enough.")
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To: paulycy

‘zackly.
I don’t see any downside to the defeat of this package.


19 posted on 12/07/2010 6:18:13 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: Rashputin
You give Obama and the dems far, far too much credit for being very Machiavellian. They are truly poor business managers and rabid emotional misfits if you haven't noticed.
20 posted on 12/07/2010 6:19:40 PM PST by AlphaOneAlpha
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To: NormsRevenge

If the little commie piggies at the DUmpster, Kos, MoRons.org, the Huffy Post and other communist groups REALLY want a BIG government nanny state, why the hell don’t THEY volunteer to finance it. Their boy Daddy Soros can give them all the money they need. A communist government should not be financed by those Americans who do not believe in socialism, communism and Marxism. Let the liberal piggies do it!


21 posted on 12/07/2010 6:21:34 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Merry Christmas to all of my FReeper friends!)
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To: NormsRevenge

I think we’re screwed no matter which way it goes...if they DO pass and Obozo signs, extending the Bush rates and the economy gets better, unemployment declines...all in time for 2012 and Obozo says it’s all his glory and gets re-elected.

OR

the whole plan goes dumpster and tax rates get jacked up and the economy tanks and we all are doomed...

LOSE-LOSE


22 posted on 12/07/2010 6:22:29 PM PST by GRRRRR (He'll NEVER be my President, FUBO!)
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To: llevrok

” Let me see. He comes out and announces a compromise”

Isn’t that our goal his last two years? We are winning.


23 posted on 12/07/2010 6:25:18 PM PST by goseminoles
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To: Rashputin

Have to disagree, friend.
Just as `Coolhand Luke’ never planned anything in his life, by his own admission, Barry ain’t `masterminding’ anything.
He’s got a major problem on his hands: mutiny by his crew. Why? `cause national politics and presidentin’ is harder than calling a community meeting to discuss rent controls or sitting on his butt in the senate, polishing his halo and playing critic ...
Pop some corn, sit back and enjoy the demo-debacle. Only 23 more months of this comedy show to go.


24 posted on 12/07/2010 6:27:31 PM PST by tumblindice (Uglier than a hobbit's foot, dirtier than a geisha's hair--a broken oath)
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To: NormsRevenge

WHAT??
I thought the only people who criticized Obama were RACISTS!!!!

You Should SEE ALL OF THE DEMOCRAT RACISTS over at Kos and Huffpo tonite!!!!


25 posted on 12/07/2010 6:28:02 PM PST by tcrlaf (Obama White House=Tammany Hall on the National Mall)
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To: Rashputin

Thank you,

I once was lost, but now am found.

Thank you for posting.


26 posted on 12/07/2010 6:28:54 PM PST by onona (dbada)
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To: NormsRevenge

I asy kill it and get something in return this time not some stupid quid pro quo, like for like or even swap.

That ain’t negotiating, that’s splitting the difference, a tactic for lazy people.


27 posted on 12/07/2010 6:30:47 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Rashputin

You are clinically insane or else a garden variety kook.


28 posted on 12/07/2010 6:32:25 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: NormsRevenge
For the 287,657th time:

THE DEMOCRAT PARTY WANTS TAX INCREASES, NOT "TAX CUTS."

29 posted on 12/07/2010 6:34:41 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (Character is defined by how we treat those who society says have no value.)
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To: NormsRevenge

It will really be funny when the liberals find this out..

This Is Important: The Unemployment Insurance Extension Does NOTHING For The 99ers

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/does-the-unemployment-insurance-extension-help-the-99ers-2010-12#ixzz17U0WdbvO


30 posted on 12/07/2010 6:38:09 PM PST by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: Rome2000

I like your attitude.

Lock ‘n Load, FRiend.


31 posted on 12/07/2010 6:38:43 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: bigbob
Yeah, he might have made a few more friends if he hadn’t taken the opportunity to call the opposition party a bunch of “hostage takers”.

Idiot.

He never fails to display his arrogance and stupidity when off-prompter.

The strange thing is I saw the Keyes-Obama debates when Obama was running for the US Senate. Obama may be the only person to have ever beaten Keyes in a debate, albeit not on substance, but on style points. As in the Kennedy/Nixon debate, Obama was "cool" and Keyes was "hot."

Obama answered policy questions with non-answer truisms, but he did so by speaking slowly, in a low, soothing voice, which had a hypnotic effect on the studio audience.

He seems rattled these days. And I think people are beginning to "get" his schtick.

32 posted on 12/07/2010 6:40:42 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: bigbob
Yeah, he might have made a few more friends if he hadn’t taken the opportunity to call the opposition party a bunch of “hostage takers”.

It's far far worse than that.

He just told the whole world that all they need to do to get us to buckle is take some hostages AND HURT THEM.

A clear message that I assure you is not lost on al qaeda.

33 posted on 12/07/2010 6:50:38 PM PST by null and void (We are now in day 685 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Southack
You are clinically insane or else a garden variety kook."

That's a very interesting comment from someone who has made posts agreeing with much of what I stated. Makes me wonder whether you missed your meds again.

34 posted on 12/07/2010 6:57:26 PM PST by Rashputin (Barry is totally insane and being kept medicated and on golf courses to hide the fact)
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To: null and void
“He just told the whole world that all they need to do to get us to buckle is take some hostages AND HURT THEM. A clear message that I assure you is not lost on al qaeda.”

A good catch and very unfortunate for what is left of the free world.

FUBO

35 posted on 12/07/2010 7:03:13 PM PST by Gabrial (The Whitehouse Nightmare will continue as long as the Nightmare is in the Whitehouse)
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To: NormsRevenge

Even though he can’t think without a teleprompter instructing him, Obamao has vaguely figured out that raising taxes will further screw up the economy and cost jobs, making 2012 a bigger nightmare for Democraps than it is already going to be.


36 posted on 12/07/2010 7:03:34 PM PST by pallis
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To: NormsRevenge

I’d be okay with killing it.


37 posted on 12/07/2010 7:07:38 PM PST by Soul Seeker ( I was there when we had the numbers, but didn’t have the principles.---Jim that leans conservDeMin)
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To: Rashputin

Don’t agree with that at all.

I do think most of their anger is real. They were angry over not getting the public option even though the legislation they did sign would lead to that in a few years. They don’t see the long term potential.

It’a possible someone could have designed this to make him appear moderate I guess...but I don’t think the majority are in on it.

I personally hope they kill it. It would hurt if a rax hike went into effect but at some point you have to make a stand and now is the time. Let’s see what kind of deal the GOP could get out of the W.H. if they were trying to deny any concession.


38 posted on 12/07/2010 7:15:12 PM PST by Soul Seeker ( I was there when we had the numbers, but didn’t have the principles.---Jim that leans conservDeMin)
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To: AdmSmith; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...
angry opposition that could subject millions of Americans to a big holiday-season tax increase
The loser Daschle opposed tax cuts of any kind based on his stupid (and politically suicidal) comparison of someone at a very low level of income *only* saving a couple of hundred while someone making $250K would save thousands -- by doing so he merely pointed out the fact that he was *against* cutting income taxes for someone who clearly shouldn't be getting taxed on their tiny little income. Thanks NormsRevenge.

39 posted on 12/07/2010 7:16:43 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: NormsRevenge

What tax cuts? I thought the argument was whether or not they were going to increase taxes.


40 posted on 12/07/2010 7:22:06 PM PST by stevem
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To: ColdOne

“This is really the first thing they have “lost?” BECAUSE IF THEY WERE US THEY COULD NOT HANDLE WHAT THEY THROW AT US ON A DAILY BASIS!”

So true!


41 posted on 12/07/2010 7:23:26 PM PST by WOSG (Carpe Diem)
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To: Beowulf9

Maybe I have no imagination, but I don’t see how this could be a useful campaign issue for Obama. If Republicans put forward as weak a candidate as the last one, Obama might win on just about anything. But this is all beside the point. The country doesn’t need a tax increase now. Voters are behind Republicans that want spending cuts, however. Republicans shouldn’t try to be as cynical as the enemy is in order to get rid of Obama. Republicans should instead act on what they ran on: a conservative agenda for saving the country from corrupt, inept, and often treacherous leaders. Let the other side destroy itself.


42 posted on 12/07/2010 7:24:26 PM PST by dr_who
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To: NormsRevenge


43 posted on 12/07/2010 7:30:26 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: NormsRevenge
I can't help but think that this is all a bit of political theater by the Dems. Obama could care less if the taxes increase - it'll all be a part of the plan. But Obama is playing Good Cop to the Congressional Dems' Bad Cop to have the out later on that he tried to compromise with the GOP but effort was scuttled by others.
44 posted on 12/07/2010 7:37:16 PM PST by Major Matt Mason (Looking forward to kicking Chicago out of Washington.)
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To: Major Matt Mason

It’s Kabuki theater at its finest .. next year should be a thrill a minute .. and ‘12 even better.. what a madhouse lies ahead but as long as the Fed keeps printing money and banks make profits.. we might pull out of this mess yet.. or not..


45 posted on 12/07/2010 7:43:26 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: Rashputin
Hopefully, some democrat in Congress will kill this deal, at which time the blogs now whining about Barry will scream at those halting the deal for “distracting us from getting other things done before the Republicans take over”.

And which blogs would that be? I think a lot of Democrats would be happy with an across the board tax increase which they would attempt to blame on the Republicans somehow (maybe for not supporting the "deal" 100 % ?)

46 posted on 12/07/2010 7:50:24 PM PST by Nonstatist
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

“... if the RATS kill the whole thing not only do we get to blame them but we get to remind the libs their boy king voted with us to pass the bill!”

And that’s the rub for the Rats. Their Boy King has essentially said it will kill the economy if they don’t pass it, because it WILL kill the economy if they don’t pass it.

Right now the Rats are simply posturing, hoping they can keep their Marxist base from becoming irreversibly pissed off.

It’s nearly inconceivable that the Rats will doom themselves by voting to destroy the economy via the biggest tax increase in U.S. history, because the the destruction will occur so quickly after their vote that it will be impossible to deny that it was their vote that caused it, particularly since their President said that is what would happen.

If by some improbable circumstance the Rats do end up voting to let the biggest tax increase in U.S. history occur while The Great Recession teeters on the edge of becoming The First Great Depression of the Twenty First Century, the Rats as a party are truly finished for at least a generation. Given the shellacking that occurred in the mid-terms, I think enough of them have awoken to the precariousness of their situation, that they will in fact avoid precipitating this gigantic tax increase.


47 posted on 12/07/2010 8:06:34 PM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Made from The Right Stuff!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Today I was thinking again about the terrifying sight I saw in Jan 2009. It was the look on Obama’s face soon after he was sworn in. He looked terrified for at least a few days. Conservatives make a big mistake thinking there is anything of substance inside his head or heart. The guy is in way over his head.


48 posted on 12/07/2010 8:06:49 PM PST by PghBaldy (Like the Ft Hood Killer, James Earl Ray was just stressed when he killed MLK Jr.)
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To: NormsRevenge
There he is, the Grave robber from DC.

Estate tax goes up to 35 percent. Inherit the family business, sell it and give that SOB half.

This is what you get when you elect a communist organizer. More Unemployment, more lost jobs, more lost business.

Fidel Castro in a suit and tie.

49 posted on 12/07/2010 8:11:11 PM PST by PA-RIVER ( POTUS is a dishonest disrespectful POS who can't come clean with the Constitution)
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To: NormsRevenge

Obama struggles? I call BS. Obama is too lazy to struggle. This is all an act.


50 posted on 12/07/2010 8:13:54 PM PST by Hoodat (Don't touch my junk, Bro !)
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