Skip to comments.WikiLeaks In Chaos
Posted on 12/08/2010 5:12:52 PM PST by Kaslin
Cyberwar: As the U.S. shows itself to be a pitiful, helpless giant against WikiLeaks' dissemination of its stolen secrets, the private sector has dealt some of the best blows against these crooks. There's a lesson somewhere.
The information age has turned a lot of rules on their heads, but it would be hard to find a better example than in the response to WikiLeaks, the secretive criminal syndicate devoted to publishing millions of stolen U.S. government documents.
Things aren't going well, now that its founder, Julian Assange, has been arrested in the U.K. on a rape, rather than an espionage, charge in Sweden. Wired Magazine, quoting WikiLeaks sources, reported that the organization, driven by its founder's cult of personality, is now in "chaos."
If one were to dissect what's going on, all roads seem to point to the private sector, not government, as responding most effectively.
First, it wasn't a government agency that blew WikiLeaks off its regular Internet site and over to its mirror sites it was an anonymous hacker, going by the handle of "the Jester," who claims he's nothing more than a "patriot" who got busy.
Then Amazon.com, whose server hosted WikiLeaks, kicked the site off, pointing out that the organization was trafficking in stolen documents, a violation of its terms of service. Amazon steadfastly denied that political pressure forced its decision. Seems their main concern was liability and a consumer boycott.
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Warms my heart.
Sadly, I can forsee Present Radar Ears and his inJustice Deportment going after the patriots who have taken it upon themselves to defend America in this battle.
Be that as it may, score one for the good guys.
WikiLeaks Supporters Attack MasterCard Website
I don’t think they are going to go down easily as this article suggests. Seems more like wishful thinking or disinformation campaign to me.
I think they also attacked Discover, and are angry with other websites, including Twitter.
Don’t be too sure....a wounded animal can stear up a bit before he dies....
President Purple Lips is what I call him!
All of this just shows what a bunch of petulant little wannabees the hackers are.
Enjoy your little jihad on America, while it lasts, Mr. Assange.
Methinks you’ll wish you had found better things to do that steal intelligence documents.
More like a time line. The Wikileak SUPPORTER HACKS are attacking, not Wikileaks. I read that in supporting Wikileaks they may be exposing themselves. But they’re all for transparency, right?
The website and personal credit card information of former Gov. Sarah Palin were cyber-attacked today by Wikileaks supporters.
Technically true (I was already thinking what you said), but he’s in possession of the information for the purpose of disseminating it.
He’s trafficking in stolen documents of America.
It would be not much different if he were in possession of plans for a fighter or warship, or similar.
“Lets see, Secretary of Defense Gates, the entire Department of Defense, and NATO Command have all debunked the idea that the leaks have caused any real damage to our national security interests.”
Your trust in these government agencies is a bit excessive.
Nope they are not going down. The writer of the article is wrong in assuming that they are going down.
I’d like to know how much help Assange had from folks within the State Department.
Always provide a direct working link to any published material you wish to post after you have verified that the article(s) are not on Free Republic's copyright restrictions list.
We have to pull your post because within your post is unexcerpted, unattributed material from the Wall Street Journal and the Atlantic, both publishers which require their material to be excerpted, linked and properly attributed.
In this case, you can save yourself some time, and just repost a few lines then add a working link to where you found it.
Clearly if we had a competent Pesident, head of DHS, or Secretary of State this would have been nipped in the bud.
Time for some grownups to step in.
Supposedly, they also posted credit card numbers of ordinary people, but it was taken down fairly soon after the posting. The Wiki supporters are overplaying their hand, IMO.
Notice they didn't hack the credit cards of Mitt, Huck, or any of the other usual suspects.
Sarah would not attract these unrelenting attacks if she were not already the de facto Commander In Chief of the patriotic right, and the ineluctable next president of the United States.
“He didn’t “steal intelligence documents.” Cpl. Manning, the disgruntled grunt did that.”
Yeah, you could defend fencing stolen cars with that excuse. Or maybe defend a website that traffics in copyright violations ... oh wait, they DID shut those down. hmmmm.
“Your trust in these government agencies is a bit excessive.”
Exactly. This is pure upper lip stuff. Internally, they are livid and shocked that internal docs got leaked.
If these wikileak bozos could only hack Obama’s BC, or the climategate emails, etc. but *nnnnoooo* they have to release confidential items that helps this man’s anti-american agenda of bringing the US down a notch.
“Rubber Leaks” is still in big business http://wikileaks.info/.
Hacking is a federal crime. You Remember when that poor kid figured out Sarah Palins’ password on her hotmail account? What did he get? 10 years?
This activity is news worthy and totally legal. During the Viet Nam War Daniel Elsburg STOLE!! the Pentagon papers that revealed tactical and strategic element of the military in a real war. Court ruled that the “publication” (that’s what Drudge or Wiki leaks does when they put something on the internet) by the New York Times (even though the argument was that it could cause the death of our troops) was 100% protected by the 1st amendment to the United States Constitution. Here Wiki leaks stole nothing. They received it and published but had they stolen it ,they could still publish it. So all you “book burners” and Stalinist pipe down.
This man failed to wear a condom during consensual sex!! He must be hung. (oops)
Why go after an out of office Governor Palin when Radar Ears aka Purple Lips was the one who could have prevented Ass-anges arrest? There was nothing Palin could do for or against the little Doogie Houser look alike.
>I dont think they are going to go down easily as this article suggests. Seems more like wishful thinking or disinformation campaign to me.
Nail, hammer, head. This Wikileaks thing is basically about the inherently democratizing effect of technology and the withering away of top-down hierarchical data distribution and filtering. It’s a modern world, boys and girls, and independent sources of data axiomatically means independently operating humans, something tyrants and their bootlicks and lackeys are having less success at stomping out. The only danger Assange & Co. are causing to US foreign policy is embarrassment, and, last I heard, the causing of embarrassment is not a crime in democratic nations.
------------------(Congressional Research Service)Criminal Prohibitions on the Publication of
Classified Defense Information
Jennifer K. Elsea
December 6, 2010[snip]Conclusion
The Supreme Court has stated, however, that the question remains open whether the publication of unlawfully obtained information by the media can be punished consistent with the First Amendment. Thus, although unlawful acquisition of information might be subject to criminal prosecution with few First Amendment implications, the publication of that information remains protected. Whether the publication of national security information can be punished likely turns on the value of the information to the public weighed against the likelihood of identifiable harm to the national security, arguably a more difficult case for prosecutors to make.
[I dont think they are going to go down easily as this article suggests]
“WikiLeaks Now Has Hundreds of Mirrors”
Do you really think anyone bought that story to begin with? It was common knowledge that US Special Ops was operating in Yemen. You wouldn't even have a clue where these creeps are, let alone the ability to blow them up out in the middle of nowhere if you don't have some feet on the ground to track them.
So far, all the leaks I have seen pretty much confirmed what I already knew, surmised or hoped was happening -- such as keeping tabs on the various UN scumbags infecting NYC.
This Wikileaks guy might think this stuff is hot, but honestly, so far for me it's been a big yawn. There hasn't been a leak to date that has even raised my eyebrows. We'll see what else he has I guess. ;~))
There are several things that folks forget here:
1. A jury trial. You have to find 12 jurors who will agree to convict. Even here on FR it is about an even split on whether Assange is guilty of anything. One juror holding out and it is a mistrial.
2. The prosecution would have to provide testimony as to what information caused actual harm to national security, and the defense gets to cross examine and provide rebuttal witnesses. There is little information I have seen that falls into that category and I think that the government would look ridiculous when it made its arguments.
3. The problem of overclassification. Even if some of the information is legitimately classified because it would do harm to national security, the huge volume of what we have seen so far is not. One of the real no no's in the classified world is mixing classified and unclassified information because it makes the protection of the classified information hard to protect. All the defense has to show is that much of the information was classified to avoid embarassment to the government, or for some other illegeitimate reason, and there goes the ball game.
I’m curious about the secret bank info Wikileaks has. Why don’t they reveal that information instead of trying to hack Palin’s website?
What constitutes a Republic?
All valid points.
I wonder how many jobs are produced by the bureaucratic process of manufacturing and protecting “secrets”?
Furthermore, it’s not unreasonable to wonder if some of those “secrets” aren’t manufactured merely for the purpose of producing jobs for manufacturing and protecting “secrets”... consistent with the self-serving nature of bureaucracy.
We have to have leadership and we have to have government and there is going to be corruption. That's life. Does he think we can get rid of the corrupt leaders and replace them with perfect ones? There are no perfect leaders! And there is no perfect government or perfect country. All this guy is doing is creating havoc. In the end he will not have accomplished anything productive at all. He is as destructive as he claims others are. I will enjoy seeing this self-righteous, holier than thou, meddling do-gooder get his comeuppance.
The “rape charge” is kinda wild. Both women claim consensual sex but now say they regret it. I am not defending the guy on his wikileaks, but the rape charges are odd.
Plus Assange is not a US citizen and doesn’t reside here, so I don’t think he’d get a civil jury trial in the US, if it ever came to that.
Wikileaks is not just posting info about the US.
If you read only US media, it would see that is the case, but it is not.
They appear to have the goods on a lot of world political leaders and transnational organizations.
I’m not sure he knows what he want’s to do, besides create chaos. Something seems off with him, he does not seem normal. While he has the computer skills he does not come off as the smartest person as to how these leaks will change how government works. If anything his actions would cause governments and other organizations to make it even harder to access information.
Personally I don't see this going away anywhere soon.
I agree with your thoughts up to the point about the only damage being embarrassment. We don’t yet know the unforeseen and/or long-term consequences of WikiLeaks’ actions in publishing this data. IMHO, the damage is yet to be determined.
That’s no joke. I can just see that bastard Holder doing exactly that.
'top-down hierarchical data distribution and filtering' sounds to me like the model wikileaks itself uses.
Withering for thee but not for me?
The only common thread that goes through anything that Assange writes (and he has produced some drooling, raving “manifestos” a la Unabomber) is that he hates the US and loves the UN. Very little negative information has actually been released on Obama, who also hates the US and loves the UN, and in fact the UN itself has been very protected.
For some reason, people who claim themselves to be anti-government or anarchists are always big world government people (via the UN), and that’s what Assange is.
How can you execute (hang) Assange for TREASON when he is not a US citizen?
The story of Julian’s broken condem gives a whole new meaning to the term “Wikileaks”! LOL.
Wired Magazine, quoting WikiLeaks sources, reported that the organization, driven by its founder's cult of personality, is now in "chaos." If one were to dissect what's going on, all roads seem to point to the private sector, not government, as responding most effectively.Thanks Kaslin.