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WikiLeaks In Chaos
IBD Editorials ^ | December 8, 2010 | Staff

Posted on 12/08/2010 5:12:52 PM PST by Kaslin

Cyberwar: As the U.S. shows itself to be a pitiful, helpless giant against WikiLeaks' dissemination of its stolen secrets, the private sector has dealt some of the best blows against these crooks. There's a lesson somewhere.

The information age has turned a lot of rules on their heads, but it would be hard to find a better example than in the response to WikiLeaks, the secretive criminal syndicate devoted to publishing millions of stolen U.S. government documents.

Things aren't going well, now that its founder, Julian Assange, has been arrested in the U.K. on a rape, rather than an espionage, charge in Sweden. Wired Magazine, quoting WikiLeaks sources, reported that the organization, driven by its founder's cult of personality, is now in "chaos."

If one were to dissect what's going on, all roads seem to point to the private sector, not government, as responding most effectively.

First, it wasn't a government agency that blew WikiLeaks off its regular Internet site and over to its mirror sites — it was an anonymous hacker, going by the handle of "the Jester," who claims he's nothing more than a "patriot" who got busy.

Then Amazon.com, whose server hosted WikiLeaks, kicked the site off, pointing out that the organization was trafficking in stolen documents, a violation of its terms of service. Amazon steadfastly denied that political pressure forced its decision. Seems their main concern was liability — and a consumer boycott.

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1 posted on 12/08/2010 5:12:52 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Warms my heart.
Sadly, I can forsee Present Radar Ears and his inJustice Deportment going after the patriots who have taken it upon themselves to defend America in this battle.
Be that as it may, score one for the good guys.


2 posted on 12/08/2010 5:16:06 PM PST by Darksheare (I shook hands with Sheryl Crow and all I got was Typhus and a single sheet of toilet paper.)
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To: Kaslin

WikiLeaks Supporters Attack MasterCard Website
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/WikiLeaks-Supporters-Attack-MasterCard-Website-755294/

I don’t think they are going to go down easily as this article suggests. Seems more like wishful thinking or disinformation campaign to me.


3 posted on 12/08/2010 5:17:12 PM PST by Lorianne (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. ___ George Orwell)
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To: Lorianne

I think they also attacked Discover, and are angry with other websites, including Twitter.


4 posted on 12/08/2010 5:20:09 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Lorianne

Don’t be too sure....a wounded animal can stear up a bit before he dies....


5 posted on 12/08/2010 5:23:04 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: Darksheare

President Purple Lips is what I call him!


6 posted on 12/08/2010 5:23:33 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Kaslin

All of this just shows what a bunch of petulant little wannabees the hackers are.


7 posted on 12/08/2010 5:23:33 PM PST by AdaGray
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To: Kaslin

Enjoy your little jihad on America, while it lasts, Mr. Assange.

Methinks you’ll wish you had found better things to do that steal intelligence documents.


8 posted on 12/08/2010 5:23:58 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Kaslin
Lets see, Secretary of Defense Gates, the entire Department of Defense, and NATO Command have all debunked the idea that the leaks have caused any real damage to our national security interests. I guess the only ones actually damaged are the incompetents in the diplomatic corps (not a very impressive group as a rule).

The Wikileaks cables are the biggest non-event in recent years.

Trumped up rape charges and a bunch of cables showing how inept our Secretary of State is. Gee, I am sooooo upset. /rolleyes
9 posted on 12/08/2010 5:24:49 PM PST by Sudetenland (TSA - Theatrical Security Affectation)
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To: Lorianne

More like a time line. The Wikileak SUPPORTER HACKS are attacking, not Wikileaks. I read that in supporting Wikileaks they may be exposing themselves. But they’re all for transparency, right?


10 posted on 12/08/2010 5:24:55 PM PST by huldah1776
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To: Lorianne

The website and personal credit card information of former Gov. Sarah Palin were cyber-attacked today by Wikileaks supporters.


11 posted on 12/08/2010 5:25:07 PM PST by classified (Smoking Hot Michelle In Charge!)
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To: F15Eagle
He didn't "steal intelligence documents." Cpl. Manning, the disgruntled grunt did that.

Not much for open government, are you? Let's see, how many American lives are at risk? Zero. How many allies lives have been put at risk by these redacted cables? Zero.
12 posted on 12/08/2010 5:27:44 PM PST by Sudetenland (TSA - Theatrical Security Affectation)
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To: Sudetenland

Technically true (I was already thinking what you said), but he’s in possession of the information for the purpose of disseminating it.

He’s trafficking in stolen documents of America.

It would be not much different if he were in possession of plans for a fighter or warship, or similar.


13 posted on 12/08/2010 5:33:26 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Sudetenland

“Lets see, Secretary of Defense Gates, the entire Department of Defense, and NATO Command have all debunked the idea that the leaks have caused any real damage to our national security interests.”

Your trust in these government agencies is a bit excessive.


14 posted on 12/08/2010 5:34:39 PM PST by reasonisfaith (Rules will never work for radicals (liberals) because they seek chaos. And don't even know it.)
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To: Lorianne

Nope they are not going down. The writer of the article is wrong in assuming that they are going down.


15 posted on 12/08/2010 5:35:27 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Kaslin

I’d like to know how much help Assange had from folks within the State Department.


17 posted on 12/08/2010 5:51:06 PM PST by abigailsmybaby ( I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did. Yogi Berra)
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To: oldbrowser
"I stole this from an article on flopping aces."

Always provide a direct working link to any published material you wish to post after you have verified that the article(s) are not on Free Republic's copyright restrictions list.

We have to pull your post because within your post is unexcerpted, unattributed material from the Wall Street Journal and the Atlantic, both publishers which require their material to be excerpted, linked and properly attributed.

In this case, you can save yourself some time, and just repost a few lines then add a working link to where you found it.

Thanks.

18 posted on 12/08/2010 6:05:53 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: Kaslin

Clearly if we had a competent Pesident, head of DHS, or Secretary of State this would have been nipped in the bud.

Time for some grownups to step in.


19 posted on 12/08/2010 6:07:14 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Kaslin

Supposedly, they also posted credit card numbers of ordinary people, but it was taken down fairly soon after the posting. The Wiki supporters are overplaying their hand, IMO.


20 posted on 12/08/2010 6:09:23 PM PST by PghBaldy (Like the Ft Hood Killer, James Earl Ray was just stressed when he killed MLK Jr.)
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To: classified
The website and personal credit card information of former Gov. Sarah Palin were cyber-attacked today by Wikileaks supporters.

Notice they didn't hack the credit cards of Mitt, Huck, or any of the other usual suspects.

Sarah would not attract these unrelenting attacks if she were not already the de facto Commander In Chief of the patriotic right, and the ineluctable next president of the United States.

21 posted on 12/08/2010 6:16:12 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Sudetenland

“He didn’t “steal intelligence documents.” Cpl. Manning, the disgruntled grunt did that.”

Yeah, you could defend fencing stolen cars with that excuse. Or maybe defend a website that traffics in copyright violations ... oh wait, they DID shut those down. hmmmm.


22 posted on 12/08/2010 6:20:09 PM PST by WOSG (Carpe Diem)
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To: reasonisfaith

“Your trust in these government agencies is a bit excessive.”

Exactly. This is pure upper lip stuff. Internally, they are livid and shocked that internal docs got leaked.

If these wikileak bozos could only hack Obama’s BC, or the climategate emails, etc. but *nnnnoooo* they have to release confidential items that helps this man’s anti-american agenda of bringing the US down a notch.


23 posted on 12/08/2010 6:23:35 PM PST by WOSG (Carpe Diem)
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To: WOSG

“Rubber Leaks” is still in big business http://wikileaks.info/.
Hacking is a federal crime. You Remember when that poor kid figured out Sarah Palins’ password on her hotmail account? What did he get? 10 years?
This activity is news worthy and totally legal. During the Viet Nam War Daniel Elsburg STOLE!! the Pentagon papers that revealed tactical and strategic element of the military in a real war. Court ruled that the “publication” (that’s what Drudge or Wiki leaks does when they put something on the internet) by the New York Times (even though the argument was that it could cause the death of our troops) was 100% protected by the 1st amendment to the United States Constitution. Here Wiki leaks stole nothing. They received it and published but had they stolen it ,they could still publish it. So all you “book burners” and Stalinist pipe down.


24 posted on 12/08/2010 6:55:17 PM PST by Benchim
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To: Benchim
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My gentle reply: Execute (hang) both Daniel Ellsberg (if he's still alive) and Assage for TREASON and ESPIONAGE ...

Questions ?

.
25 posted on 12/08/2010 7:10:45 PM PST by Patton@Bastogne
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To: Patton@Bastogne

This man failed to wear a condom during consensual sex!! He must be hung. (oops)


26 posted on 12/08/2010 7:13:15 PM PST by Benchim
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To: classified

Why go after an out of office Governor Palin when Radar Ears aka Purple Lips was the one who could have prevented Ass-anges arrest? There was nothing Palin could do for or against the little Doogie Houser look alike.


27 posted on 12/08/2010 7:16:44 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (Hey, Barack "Hubris" Obama, what are you hiding? Release your Birth Certificate!)
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To: Lorianne

>I don’t think they are going to go down easily as this article suggests. Seems more like wishful thinking or disinformation campaign to me.

Nail, hammer, head. This Wikileaks thing is basically about the inherently democratizing effect of technology and the withering away of top-down hierarchical data distribution and filtering. It’s a modern world, boys and girls, and independent sources of data axiomatically means independently operating humans, something tyrants and their bootlicks and lackeys are having less success at stomping out. The only danger Assange & Co. are causing to US foreign policy is embarrassment, and, last I heard, the causing of embarrassment is not a crime in democratic nations.


28 posted on 12/08/2010 7:21:02 PM PST by Yollopoliuhqui (consciousness is a heads up display)
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To: F15Eagle
[but he’s in possession of the information for the purpose of disseminating it.]
 
Yes, but...
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(Congressional Research Service)
 
Criminal Prohibitions on the Publication of
Classified Defense Information
Jennifer K. Elsea
Legislative Attorney
December 6, 2010
 
[snip]
 
Conclusion
[snip]
The Supreme Court has stated, however, that the question remains open whether the publication of unlawfully obtained information by the media can be punished consistent with the First Amendment. Thus, although unlawful acquisition of information might be subject to criminal prosecution with few First Amendment implications, the publication of that information remains protected. Whether the publication of national security information can be punished likely turns on the value of the  information to the public weighed against the likelihood of identifiable harm to the national security, arguably a more difficult case for prosecutors to make.
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/secrecy/R41404.pdf
 
 
 

29 posted on 12/08/2010 7:54:30 PM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: Lorianne

[I don’t think they are going to go down easily as this article suggests]

“WikiLeaks Now Has Hundreds of Mirrors”

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&site=&source=hp&q=wikileaks+mirrors


30 posted on 12/08/2010 7:57:09 PM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: Yollopoliuhqui
The only danger Assange & Co. are causing to US foreign policy is embarrassment, and, last I heard, the causing of embarrassment is not a crime in democratic nations.

How about the information that was released about President Seleh's (of Yemen) under-the-table deal of allowing the US to perform missile strikes on AQ targets in Yemen while still allowing his people to think that he hadn't taken sides in this matter? You think that's not going to damage US policy with Yemen when (not if) he gets his neck cinched? You think Middle Eastern countries that we're trying to establish stronger relationships with see this as merely a small incident of negligence? There is a great deal of danger about this whole affair to both US foreign policy and other nations' leaders.
31 posted on 12/08/2010 7:58:28 PM PST by Renderofveils (My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, soft music. - Nabokov)
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To: Renderofveils
How about the information that was released about President Seleh's (of Yemen) under-the-table deal of allowing the US to perform missile strikes on AQ targets in Yemen while still allowing his people to think that he hadn't taken sides in this matter?

Do you really think anyone bought that story to begin with? It was common knowledge that US Special Ops was operating in Yemen. You wouldn't even have a clue where these creeps are, let alone the ability to blow them up out in the middle of nowhere if you don't have some feet on the ground to track them.

So far, all the leaks I have seen pretty much confirmed what I already knew, surmised or hoped was happening -- such as keeping tabs on the various UN scumbags infecting NYC.

This Wikileaks guy might think this stuff is hot, but honestly, so far for me it's been a big yawn. There hasn't been a leak to date that has even raised my eyebrows. We'll see what else he has I guess. ;~))

32 posted on 12/08/2010 8:17:14 PM PST by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: LomanBill
Whether the publication of national security information can be punished likely turns on the value of the information to the public weighed against the likelihood of identifiable harm to the national security, arguably a more difficult case for prosecutors to make

There are several things that folks forget here:

1. A jury trial. You have to find 12 jurors who will agree to convict. Even here on FR it is about an even split on whether Assange is guilty of anything. One juror holding out and it is a mistrial.

2. The prosecution would have to provide testimony as to what information caused actual harm to national security, and the defense gets to cross examine and provide rebuttal witnesses. There is little information I have seen that falls into that category and I think that the government would look ridiculous when it made its arguments.

3. The problem of overclassification. Even if some of the information is legitimately classified because it would do harm to national security, the huge volume of what we have seen so far is not. One of the real no no's in the classified world is mixing classified and unclassified information because it makes the protection of the classified information hard to protect. All the defense has to show is that much of the information was classified to avoid embarassment to the government, or for some other illegeitimate reason, and there goes the ball game.

33 posted on 12/08/2010 8:55:15 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: Kaslin

I’m curious about the secret bank info Wikileaks has. Why don’t they reveal that information instead of trying to hack Palin’s website?


34 posted on 12/08/2010 8:55:45 PM PST by Cedar
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To: Patton@Bastogne

>>Questions ?

What constitutes a Republic?


35 posted on 12/08/2010 9:16:51 PM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: AndyJackson

All valid points.

Regarding overclassification-

I wonder how many jobs are produced by the bureaucratic process of manufacturing and protecting “secrets”?

Furthermore, it’s not unreasonable to wonder if some of those “secrets” aren’t manufactured merely for the purpose of producing jobs for manufacturing and protecting “secrets”... consistent with the self-serving nature of bureaucracy.


36 posted on 12/08/2010 9:41:28 PM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: Kaslin
What's the guy thinking really? What does he really want to accomplish? Oh he can show us that our government is corrupt, but come on, we know that anyway. And what can we do about it except vote them out? Or try to vote them out. What more does Assagne think we can do? Converge on DC with torches and clubs like the peasants who killed Frankenstein's monster? Should we blow up the White House and tar and feather our leaders and send them packing by force?

We have to have leadership and we have to have government and there is going to be corruption. That's life. Does he think we can get rid of the corrupt leaders and replace them with perfect ones? There are no perfect leaders! And there is no perfect government or perfect country. All this guy is doing is creating havoc. In the end he will not have accomplished anything productive at all. He is as destructive as he claims others are. I will enjoy seeing this self-righteous, holier than thou, meddling do-gooder get his comeuppance.

37 posted on 12/08/2010 9:54:11 PM PST by Hound of the Baskervilles ("Nonsense in the intellect draws evil after it." C.S. Lewis)
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To: Kaslin

The “rape charge” is kinda wild. Both women claim consensual sex but now say they regret it. I am not defending the guy on his wikileaks, but the rape charges are odd.


38 posted on 12/08/2010 9:58:16 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: AndyJackson

Plus Assange is not a US citizen and doesn’t reside here, so I don’t think he’d get a civil jury trial in the US, if it ever came to that.


39 posted on 12/08/2010 10:09:39 PM PST by Lorianne (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. ___ George Orwell)
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To: Hound of the Baskervilles

Wikileaks is not just posting info about the US.

If you read only US media, it would see that is the case, but it is not.

They appear to have the goods on a lot of world political leaders and transnational organizations.


40 posted on 12/08/2010 10:12:09 PM PST by Lorianne (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. ___ George Orwell)
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To: Hound of the Baskervilles; Kaslin

I’m not sure he knows what he want’s to do, besides create chaos. Something seems off with him, he does not seem normal. While he has the computer skills he does not come off as the smartest person as to how these leaks will change how government works. If anything his actions would cause governments and other organizations to make it even harder to access information.


41 posted on 12/08/2010 10:57:45 PM PST by matt04
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To: Lorianne
Wikileaks could easily become a kind of franchise of disconnected cells. Heck there are thousands out there who would like to be part of (what they perceive to be) a heroic global war on capitalism and America.

Personally I don't see this going away anywhere soon.

42 posted on 12/09/2010 12:21:59 AM PST by vimto (To do the right thing you don't have to be intelligent - you have to be brave (Sasz))
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To: Yollopoliuhqui

I agree with your thoughts up to the point about the only damage being embarrassment. We don’t yet know the unforeseen and/or long-term consequences of WikiLeaks’ actions in publishing this data. IMHO, the damage is yet to be determined.


43 posted on 12/09/2010 12:55:08 AM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: Darksheare

That’s no joke. I can just see that bastard Holder doing exactly that.


44 posted on 12/09/2010 1:17:51 AM PST by ratsreek
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To: Yollopoliuhqui
the withering away of top-down hierarchical data distribution and filtering.

'top-down hierarchical data distribution and filtering' sounds to me like the model wikileaks itself uses.

Withering for thee but not for me?

45 posted on 12/09/2010 1:21:26 AM PST by longjack
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To: Hound of the Baskervilles

The only common thread that goes through anything that Assange writes (and he has produced some drooling, raving “manifestos” a la Unabomber) is that he hates the US and loves the UN. Very little negative information has actually been released on Obama, who also hates the US and loves the UN, and in fact the UN itself has been very protected.

For some reason, people who claim themselves to be anti-government or anarchists are always big world government people (via the UN), and that’s what Assange is.


46 posted on 12/09/2010 3:12:48 AM PST by livius
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To: Patton@Bastogne

Question:

How can you execute (hang) Assange for TREASON when he is not a US citizen?


47 posted on 12/09/2010 4:37:06 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: Kaslin

The story of Julian’s broken condem gives a whole new meaning to the term “Wikileaks”! LOL.


49 posted on 12/09/2010 4:45:35 AM PST by 2harddrive
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To: AdmSmith; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...
Wired Magazine, quoting WikiLeaks sources, reported that the organization, driven by its founder's cult of personality, is now in "chaos." If one were to dissect what's going on, all roads seem to point to the private sector, not government, as responding most effectively.
Thanks Kaslin.
50 posted on 12/09/2010 5:52:32 AM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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