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Iran Placing Medium-Range Missiles in Venezuela; Can Reach the U.S.
Hudson New York ^ | 12/09/10 | Anna Mahjar-Barducci

Posted on 12/09/2010 9:32:14 AM PST by MissesBush

Iran is planning to place medium-range missiles on Venezuelan soil, based on western information sources[1], according to an article in the German daily, Die Welt, of November 25, 2010. According to the article, an agreement between the two countries was signed during the last visit o Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez to Tehran on October19, 2010. The previously undisclosed contract provides for the establishment of a jointly operated military base in Venezuela, and the joint development of ground-to-ground missiles.

At a moment when NATO members found an agreement, in the recent Lisbon summit (19-20 November 2010), to develop a Missile Defence capability to protect NATO's populations and territories in Europe against ballistic missile attacks from the East (namely, Iran), Iran's counter-move consists in establishing a strategic base in the South American continent - in the United States's soft underbelly.

According to Die Welt, Venezuela has agreed to allow Iran to establish a military base manned by Iranian missile officers, soldiers of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard and Venezuelan missile officers. In addition, Iran has given permission for the missiles to be used in case of an "emergency". In return, the agreement states that Venezuela can use these facilities for "national needs" – radically increasing the threat to neighbors like Colombia. The German daily claims that according to the agreement, Iranian Shahab 3 (range 1300-1500 km), Scud-B (285-330 km) and Scud-C (300, 500 and 700 km) will be deployed in the proposed base. It says that Iran also pledged to help Venezuela in rocket technology expertise, including intensive training of officers

Venezuela has also become the country through which Iran intends to bypass UN sanctions. Following a new round of UN sanctions against the Islamic Republic, for example, Russia decided not to sell five battalions of S-300PMU-1 air defence systems to Iran. These weapons, along with a number of other weapons, were part of a deal, signed in 2007, worth $800 million. Now that these weapons cannot be delivered to Iran, Russia is looking for new customers; according to the Russian press agency Novosti[2], it found one: Venezuela.

Novosti reports the words of Igor Korotchenko, head of a Moscow-based think tank on international arms trade, saying that if the S-300 deal with Venezuela goes through, Caracas should pay cash for the missiles, rather than take another loan from Russia. "The S-300 is a very good product and Venezuela should pay the full amount in cash, as the country's budget has enough funds to cover the deal ," Korotchenko said. Moscow has already provided Caracas with several loans to buy Russian-made weaponry, including a recent $2.2-mln loan on the purchase of 92 T-72M1M tanks, the Smerch multiple-launch rocket systems and other military equipment.

If Iran, therefore, cannot get the S-300 missiles directly from Russia, it can still have them through its proxy, Venezuela, and deploy them against its staunchest enemy, the U.S..

But that is not all. According to Reuters, Iran has developed a version of the Russian S-300 missile and will test-fire it soon, as declared by the official news agency IRNA, two months after Moscow cancelled the delivery to comply with United Nations sanctions[3]. Iran, in fact, has its own capabilities for constructing missiles that could carry atomic warheads. According to a study recently released by the International Institute of Strategic Studies in London, Iran is presently aiming to perfect the already existing solid-fuel, medium-range missile that can carry a nuke to hit regional targets, such as Israel[4]. If a missile base can be opened in Venezuela, many US cities will be able to be reached from there even with short-medium range missiles.

The situation that is unfolding in Venezuela has some resemblance to the Cuba crisis of 1962. At that time, Cuba was acting on behalf of the USSR; now Venezuela is acting on behalf of Iran. At present, the geopolitical situation is very different: the world is no longer ruled by two superpowers; new nations, often with questionable leaders and the ambition of acquiring global status, are appearing on the international scene. Their danger to the free world will be greater if the process of nuclear proliferation is not stopped. Among the nations that aspire to become world powers, Iran has certainly the best capabilities of posing a challenge to the West.

Back in the 1962, thanks to the stern stance adopted by the then Kennedy administration, the crisis was defused

Nowadays, however, we do not see the same firmness from the present administration. On the contrary, we see a lax attitude, both in language and in deeds, that results in extending hands when our adversaries have no intention of shaking hands with us. Iran is soon going to have a nuclear weapon, and there are no signs that UN sanctions will in any way deter the Ayatollah's regime from completing its nuclear program. We know that Iran already has missiles that can carry an atomic warhead over Israel and over the Arabian Peninsula. Now we learn that Iran is planning to build a missile base close to the US borders. How longer do we have to wait before the Obama administration begins to understand threats?

[1] http://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article11219574/Iran-plant-Bau-einer-Raketenstellung-in-Venezuela.html [2] http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20101015/160963585.html [3] http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3982738,00.html [4] http://www.iiss.org/whats-new/iiss-in-the-press/november-2010/iran-fortifies-its-arsenal-with-the-aid-of-north-korea/


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To: NonValueAdded

A blockade of Cuba was a bit more to scale than a blockade of Venezuela..........You can’t blockade Venezuela!


51 posted on 12/09/2010 10:29:58 AM PST by blackdog
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To: MissesBush

Creep those nukes closer and closer, America should not play a big santa role in the world, we want the black santa who gives poisoned gifts and making us PC by being now evil, and his name is Zero. (sarc off semi)

Liberal vanity, retards and pride will kill this country... along our homosexuality experts at creeping in AIDS throughout.


52 posted on 12/09/2010 10:31:02 AM PST by JudgemAll (Democrates Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: NonValueAdded

Hell, we can’t even blockade Somalia!


53 posted on 12/09/2010 10:31:07 AM PST by blackdog
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To: MissesBush
Once upon a time we could have just chuckled at this nonsense and poured ourselves another cup of Ovaltine.

Thanks for yet another screwing, McNamara. May your bones burn green.

54 posted on 12/09/2010 10:31:40 AM PST by jboot (Let Christ be true and every man a liar.)
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To: blackdog
Bomb it right now

Trouble is.

Top 10 Sources for U.S. Crude Oil in 2009

1. Canada – 1.94 million bpd
2. Mexico – 1.13
3. Saudi Arabia – 1.09
4. Venezuela – 1.01
5. Nigeria – 0.74
6. Angola – 0.48
7. Iraq – 0.47
8. Brazil – 0.30
9. Algeria – 0.28
10. Colombia – 0.25

Better just overthrow that little nut case.

55 posted on 12/09/2010 10:39:13 AM PST by McGruff
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To: McGruff
Overthrowing the nutjob is not our business. That becomes an amorphous mission at best, with a power vacum at the middle point. Nothing negates a power vacum like a complete and total air delivered bombing of his military assets.

You just put on the calender for one day every week for a year.

56 posted on 12/09/2010 10:45:35 AM PST by blackdog
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To: RayChuang88

The revisonist history that Kennedy stood up to Khrushchev and forced the Soviets to backdown is BS. There was a quid pro quo that JFK fanatics refuse to acknowledge.


57 posted on 12/09/2010 10:46:48 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: MissesBush

Obama’s Cuban missile crisis. Will he deal with it?


58 posted on 12/09/2010 10:50:15 AM PST by Netizen
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To: A.A. Cunningham

The revisionist history that Kennedy stood up to Khrushchev and forced the Soviets to back down is BS........................................ If USA removes missiles from Turkey, USSR will remove missiles from Cuba. OK? Agreed! Da! JFK, the big myth continues.


59 posted on 12/09/2010 10:52:44 AM PST by Bringbackthedraft (The candidate they smear and ridicule the most is the one they fear the most.)
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To: Founding Father

Moroe Doctrine was written at a time when our leaders believed in the U.S.

Zer0 would apologize for such a document.


60 posted on 12/09/2010 10:57:14 AM PST by ChiMark
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To: Founding Father

Moroe Doctrine was written at a time when our leaders believed in the U.S.

Zer0 would apologize for such a document.


61 posted on 12/09/2010 10:57:23 AM PST by ChiMark
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To: A.A. Cunningham
B-2s escorted by F-22s escorted by EA-6Bs.

Problem is once you put a non-stealty aircraft into the mix you give up the element of surprise. Using an all stealth force the first time the Iranians and Venezuelans know what is happening is when the missile sites start to blow up. But turning on the active jamming from either an EA-6B or EF-18 is like a big neon sign yelling "I'm Attacking You Now!". By the time you get to the missile sites the missiles may already be on their way to San Juan or Tampa.
62 posted on 12/09/2010 11:08:20 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: GonzoGOP

I am not 100% certain that I’d bet on B2 and F22 being able to elude Russian detectors. Wasn’t there a system called ‘Topaz’ that could defeat stealth?


63 posted on 12/09/2010 11:10:48 AM PST by rahbert
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To: blackdog
A blockade of Cuba was a bit more to scale than a blockade of Venezuela..........You can’t blockade Venezuela!

Why not? Land transit through the Amazon is darn near impossible so that takes out Brazil and Guiana. They can't go overland through Columbia since they are darn near at war.

From Wikipedia ... Venezuela is connected to the world primarily via air (Venezuela's airports include the Simón Bolívar International Airport near Caracas and La Chinita International Airport near Maracaibo) and sea (with major sea ports at La Guaira, Maracaibo and Puerto Cabello). In the south and east the Amazon rainforest region has limited cross-border transport; in the west, there is a mountainous border of over 1,375 miles (2,213 km) shared with Colombia. The Orinoco River is navigable by oceangoing vessels up to 400 km inland, and connects the major industrial city of Ciudad Guayana to the Atlantic Ocean.

Venezuela has a limited national railway system, which has no active rail connections to other countries; the government of Hugo Chávez has invested substantially in expanding it. Several major cities have metro systems; the Caracas Metro has been operating since 1983. The Maracaibo Metro and Valencia Metro were opened more recently. Venezuela has a road network of around 100,000 km (placing it around 47th in the world); around a third of roads are paved.


Cut off their access to the sea and are isolated from the world.
64 posted on 12/09/2010 11:22:04 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: blackdog
Bomb it right now. Don’t even think twice.

But but but I thought it was FReeper doctrine that the Iranians aren't capable of making workable missiles...

65 posted on 12/09/2010 11:27:01 AM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Why are TSA exempt from their own searches?)
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To: sionnsar

Even if they are not yielding much, any nuclear device in their hands is fricking dangerous! I wouldn’t even let them have a toolkit for their own X-Ray machines in their hospitals.


66 posted on 12/09/2010 11:33:08 AM PST by blackdog
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To: rahbert
I am not 100% certain that I’d bet on B2 and F22 being able to elude Russian detectors. Wasn’t there a system called ‘Topaz’ that could defeat stealth?

Yes and no. Like any radar it can pick up a stealth aircraft. Stealth aircraft are not after all invisible, just hard to see. It is used on the SU-27s and an updated version on the SU-30MKs Venezuela having 24 of the latter.

The problem is you get a lot of false alarms. It is useful as a fighter radar since you know there is an attack on the way. But as an early warning system it would be nearly useless because of all the false positives.

Again a reason not to give a lot of advanced warning of the strike. The best way to defeat the Topaz radar is to have the SU-30MKVs on the ground and their pilots in bed when the first bomb goes off.
67 posted on 12/09/2010 11:37:51 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Netizen

He will announce that there are right wing elements that would like him to react but he will take the responsible middle path and make a stern statement and then appoint a commission.


68 posted on 12/09/2010 11:42:12 AM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: MissesBush

Why would anybody be surprised?

Chavez has long courted all our enemies, funding al quida after 9/11, bringing in russian arms
and libyan katushka missles & technicians, funneling middle easterners through their passport
office before sending them onto north america, doing more business with china than all the
rest of south & central america combined, envoys visiting and praising n korea, first head of
state to personally visit and stand tall supporting saddam hussein after first iraq war, receiving
secret c-130 shipments from iraq right before last iraq war. Chavez narco for arms trading with
columbian narcoterrorists FARC/ELN. And, of course, castro is his mentor and chavez is cuba’s
essential oil supplier. Oh, yeah, did I also mention he’s been for years pushing france to release
‘carlos the jackal’, brother of Raphael Ramirez, Chavez’s Minister of Energy & Mines, to venez
authorities to ‘serve out’ his prison term there, yaa right.

I’d gotten most of the above direct from his top military staff; head of army, air force, navy,
coast guard and military academy and civil ministers down there, including the head of the
passport office and his personal airbus pilot Major Diaz, who all quit him in disgust & public
protest in late 2002. Got Diaz, in fear for his life, secreted out to Miami and arranged for
extensive debriefing by FBI there, along with lots of documentation provided then, too.

Tried to reveal some of what I’d learned back in 2002 & 2003 to media up here, but only
got traction via internet...

[url]http://www.financialsense.com/node/223[/url]

[url]http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=16592[/url]

[url]http://www.aim.org/aim-report/aim-report-joe-mccarthy-was-right/[/url]

[url]http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=50657[/url]

And, of course, reported first right here at FreeRepublic...
[url]http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/802763/posts[/url]

Most of the photos from the two sites above don’t come up, as the protest site
militaresdemocraticos run by a friend of mine is now down, but the archive
here shows many of them from then when I was there of what all was going on...
[url]http://web.archive.org/web/20060518010945/www.militaresdemocraticos.com/en/galeria.html[/url]

That archive site also links to more in-depth of all of Chavez diverse shenanigans.

Stunned to see lack of interest by our major media and our govt back then, but got
confirmation about insider ‘circles within circles’ and unseen agenda’s behind the
scenes leaving us intentionally vulnerable. Love to see some wikileaks from back then.

Shane Connor
www.ki4u.com


69 posted on 12/09/2010 11:42:55 AM PST by shanec
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To: sionnsar
But but but I thought it was FReeper doctrine that the Iranians aren't capable of making workable missiles...

As I point out often nuclear bombs and ballistic missiles are 1940s technology. Think steam engines, vacuum tubes and prop driven aircraft and you have the right era (nukes predate jets into service in the US). If you can master that level of technology you can build a nuclear missile. It is just a matter of throwing sufficient cash at the problem. And thanks to their oil industries, and willingness to sacrifice their people's standard of living for military buildups, Iran and Venezuela both have lots of cash.
70 posted on 12/09/2010 11:45:19 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: MissesBush
Chavez and Nutjob will not go through with this.

They will be intercepted at sea...or in the air as they are flown over.

If necessary, every launching facility will be destroyed.

Remember the Monroe Doctrine? We enforced it as recently as 1962 in Cuba.

71 posted on 12/09/2010 11:50:10 AM PST by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: MissesBush

Daisy Cutter MOAB time... flatten everything within 10 square miles of the target. Then tell Hugo, do this again and we’ll put a nuke up your ass.


72 posted on 12/09/2010 12:09:07 PM PST by TCH (DON'T BE AN "O-HOLE"! ... DEMAND YOUR STATE ENACT ITS SOVEREIGNTY !When a majority of the American)
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To: MissesBush

Tuition goes up a couple hundred bucks there are ANGRY RIOTS.

Dictators around the world go on the march, no one cares.


73 posted on 12/09/2010 12:10:29 PM PST by Tzimisce (It's just another day in Obamaland.)
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To: MissesBush

At a 1500 mile max range, Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic Hati and the Panama Canal are all targets.

Check out this map site. It allows you to radius about a poing on the global map:

www.freemaptools.com/radius-around-point.htm


74 posted on 12/09/2010 12:18:53 PM PST by TCH (DON'T BE AN "O-HOLE"! ... DEMAND YOUR STATE ENACT ITS SOVEREIGNTY !When a majority of the American)
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To: TCH

Correct that to 1500 KM ... Kilometers NOT miles!


75 posted on 12/09/2010 12:27:58 PM PST by TCH (DON'T BE AN "O-HOLE"! ... DEMAND YOUR STATE ENACT ITS SOVEREIGNTY !When a majority of the American)
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To: Quix; Whenifhow; houeto; null and void; Squantos; xrmusn; bronxville; Screaming_Gerbil; ...
Can-you-send-a-strongly-worded-letter-from-inside-an-ice-cream-equipped-pResidential-bomb-shelter? ping.

"Nuclear Terror" ping.

Ping list covering atomic/nuclear/thermonuclear terrifying events and discussions.

FReepmail me if vou want on or off The Comedian's "Nuclear Terror" ping list...


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

76 posted on 12/09/2010 12:44:03 PM PST by The Comedian (Government: Saving people from freedom since time immemorial.)
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To: brownsfan

Amen. Carter is to blame for so much of the mess we find ourselves in.


77 posted on 12/09/2010 12:49:58 PM PST by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Not as much a cave as it seems. in the 1962 timeframe Jupiter missiles were already obsolete (liquid fueled
requiring lengthy on obvious launch prep). The Polaris
was tested in 1960 and provided much more flexible basing
(a boomer) and was able to shoot and scoot..

It was a smart move, getting something for retiring an
obsolete system and removing from Turkey a cause for friction with the Soviets.


78 posted on 12/09/2010 1:05:51 PM PST by rahbert
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To: McGruff

That’s probably a fact behind the amnesty push. If we deport, they stop shipping us oil would be the thinking.


79 posted on 12/09/2010 1:23:53 PM PST by AlmaKing
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To: MissesBush; Quix; ChocChipCookie; ctdonath2; SonsOfLibertyII; MrB; dynachrome; LibLieSlayer; ...

And I’ll bet obama’s response will not be JFK’s response.


80 posted on 12/09/2010 2:00:24 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham; MissesBush

The Jupiter missiles were reputed to not be that reliable or accurate anyway. It was really no great loss.


81 posted on 12/09/2010 2:05:29 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: blackdog

Where’s JFK when you need him?


82 posted on 12/09/2010 2:56:55 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XrRyqses5U)
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To: MissesBush

Bomb Iran and Venezuala?

We can do that!


83 posted on 12/09/2010 3:57:55 PM PST by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: nutmeg

Thanks for the ping...


84 posted on 12/09/2010 4:13:27 PM PST by GOPJ (Sharpton wants Limbaugh off the air- if you don't hate liberals yet, you're not paying attention.)
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To: dila813
I think we are almost to the point where we need to take them out.

Off in the distance a clock is ticking...

85 posted on 12/09/2010 4:16:59 PM PST by GOPJ (Sharpton wants Limbaugh off the air- if you don't hate liberals yet, you're not paying attention.)
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To: Taxman
Bomb Iran and Venezuela?

We can do that!

************

Yes we can. But our leaders would rather outsource that kind of thing to a call center in India, rather than to trust Americans.

86 posted on 12/09/2010 4:18:42 PM PST by OwenKellogg (We need a Tea Party to welcome the new congress and remind them how they got there.)
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To: OwenKellogg

For the right price, perhaps I’d do it!


87 posted on 12/09/2010 6:32:02 PM PST by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: The Comedian

Doh . . . . what did we think they would do . . . traitorous bustards.


88 posted on 12/09/2010 8:00:58 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: MissesBush
I imagine you have a lot of stuff going on with this post... I caught this on Drudge at some point in the last night... Or morning... or whatever, whenever.

I believe that given our weak CIC, there will be a lot of tonnage inexplicably sinking in deep waters. And a lot of torpedo/missile test drills that were “prescheduled”...

It becomes an inventory shrinkage/accountability/management issue now determined by the adults in control of the platforms.

If the USN has anyone with a ball left the deep water flounders will be seeing a steel rain for some time.

The one will be long gone before these third world turds can work out launch logistics anyhow.

89 posted on 12/09/2010 9:44:26 PM PST by mmercier (The baby with the baboon heart)
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90 posted on 12/10/2010 8:47:16 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: OwenKellogg

We just need to let loose Colombia on Venezuela, someone would cap Chavez in the head with 48 hours to avoid that.


91 posted on 12/12/2010 8:43:29 PM PST by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: GonzoGOP
For a depleted Uranium bomb in the 12 KT range

Depleted uranium is depleted. It will not undergo a sustained reaaction. ????????????????

92 posted on 11/06/2011 2:06:37 PM PST by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: Sergio

I like the way you think!


93 posted on 11/11/2011 4:34:33 PM PST by fanfan (This is not my Father's Canada.)
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To: fanfan

Thank you fanfan. I’m sure the folks in “plans” have already thought of this, they are much more sneaky than I.


94 posted on 11/14/2011 1:23:52 PM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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