World Net Daily fabricates a "Missile" Contrail tale

Faith, Reason, and Health ^ | 12/12/2010 | Dr. Brian Kopp

[TigersEye]

Speaking of inaccurate graphics.

As I explained in detail you put your little yellow helicopter in the wrong place.

[Niteflyr]

Hey nice graphic TE!...:oP

[TigersEye]

As opposed to the counter analysis which is simply "That looks like a missile because I say it does." Got it.

Once again; to say that that is all I have put forth is as absurd as saying that a picture of a polar bear on a piece of ice is proof of Glowbull Warming. It's a lie and you know it's a lie.

[Niteflyr]

a picture of a polar bear on a piece of ice is proof of Glowbull Warming

It's not??!!! Damn....ManBearPig lied to us??!!!...:oP

[TigersEye]

With better graphics tew. ;^)

[Rokke]

"Ahem...ok...define "near" then....so when I talk to ATC next time....and they ask me my location I'll see if it flies with them when I give them a: " I'm near" something or someplace for a position report..:o)"

If you are talking to ATC, "near" would be within 500'. If they ask you for your position, and you say you are "near" an intersection, and you are really 35 miles off, be ready to copy their phone number to give them a call when you get on the ground. If you really are an aviator and don't understand that being 35 miles off does not qualify as "near", I hope you are limited to light sport.

[Niteflyr]

You’ll be almost as good as they are if you keep this up! :o)

[Niteflyr]

If they ask you for your position, and you say you are "near" an intersection,

Been flying for 40 years now...never used "near" in airborne radio communications as a position report bub...

[Rokke]

"Once again; to say that that is all I have put forth is as absurd as saying that a picture of a polar bear on a piece of ice is proof of Glowbull Warming. It's a lie and you know it's a lie."

Actually, that is a good analogy to exactly what you are doing. Don't look at anything else. Disregard all other data. Just look at a 14 second segment of zoomed in video and form a conclusion. You've provided nothing else to support your conclusion and you reject any other input. As Finny will point out...your posting record is clear. You've got nothing.

[TigersEye]

I already did a de-construction of that graphic and why the little yellow helicopter isn't at all an accurate representation of where the actual helicopter is at that moment. But now I see an even bigger flaw with it. That pic is taken at a point well after the vehicle is gone and the plume has been blown some distance to the south from its original location.

[Rokke]

"Been flying for 40 years now...never used "near" in airborne radio communications as a position report bub..."

Good. And since you're an experienced pilot, I'll assume you understand a point plotted 35 miles away from a stationary object would not meet an aviator's definition of "near". Given that Leyvas has 11 years experience filming from helicopters, it probably doesn't fit his definition either. I'll also assume you understand that trying to guess the range to a contrail or smoke trail over the water is an exercise in futility. So when he guessed 35 miles off the shore, he was really taking a WAG.

[Niteflyr]

I hope you are limited to light sport.

Owned my Cessna 195 since 1990...I don't think it quite fits in Light Sport category...;o)

So since I always have given position reports in estimated miles...or using a DME readout...or VOR cross fix ...RNAV waypoint...or GPS coordinates...I should have my license pulled...spoken by a true wanna be for sure...:o)

[TigersEye]

Disregard all other data. Just look at a 14 second segment of zoomed in video and form a conclusion.

Again; to say that that is all I have put into this discussion is, quite simply, a lie.

[Niteflyr]

I'll assume you understand a point plotted 35 miles away from a stationary object would not meet an aviator's definition of "near".

But...why all the fuss? Isn't someone here talking to this guy? Why not just ask him to define "near"...seems so simple...

[Rokke]

"I already did a de-construction of that graphic"

All you did was demonstrate that you have no concept of plotting a bearing or line of sight. Talk about circular. You've already admitted that.

"and why the little yellow helicopter isn't at all an accurate representation of where the actual helicopter is at that moment."

Riiight. Forshadowing and all that. Again, all you proved was that you have no idea what you are talking about. Again...it's all in your posting history. And it just reinforces the thick as a brick statement. But feel free to dig it up again if you'd like.

[TigersEye]

All you did was demonstrate that you have no concept of plotting a bearing or line of sight.

Actually I demonstrated that I know a lot more about it than you do. Which isn't a high bar to hurdle. It is in my posting history where you will not find the word 'foreshadowing.' Now you're demonstrating your lack of mental acuity.

[TigersEye]

Here. Since you can't even handle clicking on a link.

"That was my point in asking why you didn't use the other side of the island. The starting point you used was right of center. But it's a photograph anyway so the landmarks you cross would not be the same as they would if you were actually there shooting a laser line across the landscape. Foreshortening in the foreground of the photo changes the relative size of objects in terms of distance (or length as you measure from near to far). If you had a photo taken from directly above the landscape you could get a fairly accurate line if you had two identified points."

[Niteflyr]

Well TE I’m going to bed...keep me posted if anyone comes up with better answers than what are offered now...;o)

[Rokke]

"Owned my Cessna 195 since 1990...I don't think it quite fits in Light Sport category...;o) "

OK, I'll admit to being a wannabe in owning my own aircraft. But almost all my time is in fighters or MD-11's. Generally didn't give position reports in fighters, and give all my position reports in the MD-11 in Lat/Longs (although ADS is a wonderful thing). Regardless, if I was 35 miles off on any position report, I'd be hearing all about it.

[Niteflyr]

if I was 35 miles off on any position report, I'd be hearing all about it.

Can't argue with that one...;o)