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Breyer: Founding Fathers Would Have Allowed Restrictions on Guns
Foxnews ^ | Dec 12, 2010 | Foxnews

Posted on 12/12/2010 11:33:59 AM PST by driftdiver

If you look at the values and the historical record, you will see that the Founding Fathers never intended guns to go unregulated, Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer contended Sunday.

Appearing on "Fox News Sunday," Breyer said history stands with the dissenters in the court's decision to overturn a Washington, D.C., handgun ban in the 2008 case "D.C. v. Heller."

Breyer wrote the dissent and was joined by Justices John Paul Stevens, David H. Souter and Ruth Bader Ginsburg. He said historians would side with him in the case because they have concluded that Founding Father James Madison was more worried that the Constitution may not be ratified than he was about granting individuals the right to bear arms.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; billofrights; davidsouter; johnpaulstevens; partyoftreason; ruthbaderginsburg; scotus; secondamendment; shallnotbeinfringed; stephenbreyer
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To: driftdiver

He belongs in the proletariate, because he’s the worst type of snob: ignorant, arrogant and incompetant.

The man isn’t even book smart. He’s learned nothing from history or from our Founders. He’s cherry picked to suit his own Marxist “feelings.”


41 posted on 12/12/2010 12:21:17 PM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: trumandogz
The Constitution is clear, there are no restrictions on guns and there are no restrictions on speech.

He apparently has never heard of the Minutemen.

42 posted on 12/12/2010 12:24:53 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: bill1952

Very well put.
Merry Christmas.


43 posted on 12/12/2010 12:24:58 PM PST by Doulos1 (Bitter Clinger Forever!)
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To: driftdiver

No. They thought it was a good idea for the citizenry to be armed, especially against powers like him.


44 posted on 12/12/2010 12:32:06 PM PST by madison10
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To: driftdiver

Stevie has been drinking the bong water again.


45 posted on 12/12/2010 12:35:15 PM PST by reg45
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To: driftdiver

...you will see that the Founding Fathers never intended guns to go unregulated...

Cannons were unregulated. You would have thunk that they would have been regulated if anything was.


46 posted on 12/12/2010 12:37:36 PM PST by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: driftdiver
From my cold dead hands!
47 posted on 12/12/2010 12:41:29 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: driftdiver

The Founding Fathers on the Second Amendment

“I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.”
George Mason
Co-author of the Second Amendment
during Virginia’s Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788

“A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves …”
Richard Henry Lee
writing in Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republic, Letter XVIII, May, 1788.

“The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full posession of them.”
Zachariah Johnson
Elliot’s Debates, vol. 3 “The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution.”

“… the people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private arms”
Philadelphia Federal Gazette
June 18, 1789, Pg. 2, Col. 2
Article on the Bill of Rights

“And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; …”
Samuel Adams
quoted in the Philadelphia Independent Gazetteer, August 20, 1789, “Propositions submitted to the Convention of this State”

The Founding Fathers on Arms
“Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence … from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that’s good.”
George Washington
First President of the United States

“The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand arms, like laws, discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside … Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them.”
Thomas Paine

“To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them.”
Richard Henry Lee
American Statesman, 1788

“The great object is that every man be armed.” and “Everyone who is able may have a gun.”
Patrick Henry
American Patriot

“Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?”
Patrick Henry
American Patriot

“Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not.”
Thomas Jefferson
Third President of the United States

“The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that … it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; … “
Thomas Jefferson
letter to Justice John Cartwright, June 5, 1824. ME 16:45.

“The best we can help for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed.”
Alexander Hamilton
The Federalist Papers at 184-8


48 posted on 12/12/2010 12:43:46 PM PST by SampleMan (If all of the people currently oppressed shared a common geography, bullets would already be flying.)
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To: ExTexasRedhead; Impy; fieldmarshaldj; sionnsar; JulieRNR21

Can you believe that a sitting Supreme Court justice, who is sworn to rule on the Constitution alone, would say such a thing? It calls into questions his very qualification to serve.


49 posted on 12/12/2010 12:48:47 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (Illegal aliens commit crimes that Americans won't commit)
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To: Vision

I agree with you on two of the three and raise you an Alito. Thomas is an idiot and comes off as one whenever he opens his mouth. He was a token pick who would never have been selected were he a white man but tokens can vote and he votes just fine.


50 posted on 12/12/2010 12:49:22 PM PST by DemonDeac
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To: driftdiver
Just another lying lefty.

I loved this one though:

"Therefore, Madison included the Second Amendment to appease the states, Breyer said."

No kidding there Einstein. Why would the states have joined a union that didn't include the laws they wanted?

51 posted on 12/12/2010 12:54:27 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: DemonDeac
Thomas is an idiot and comes off as one whenever he opens his mouth.

Clearly, you are the idiot. Thomas is the best judge on the bench.

52 posted on 12/12/2010 12:54:41 PM PST by Huck (Antifederalist BRUTUS should be required reading.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Liberals and atheists only quote our Sacred text and Constitution when they believe they can use it to cow us. When they believe they can win with their twisted interpretations, they love them both.


53 posted on 12/12/2010 12:58:10 PM PST by Jvette
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To: deoetdoctrinae
"Do you like to shoot pistols at targets? Well, get on the subway and go to Maryland."

The primary purpose of firearms is to enable people to defend their persons, families, and property at times when the police are unable (or unwilling) to do so.

Unable: the police will rarely arrive in time to stop a crime in progress, even if the victim has a chance to call them.

Unwilling: during the LA riots and Crown Heights riots, people were essentially on their own, the police were for the most part standing down.

54 posted on 12/12/2010 12:59:27 PM PST by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: driftdiver
Granting the right???


55 posted on 12/12/2010 12:59:43 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Charlie Rangel doesn't deal in average Americans. That's OK: I don't deal in crooked pols.)
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To: Domandred

Bingo.


56 posted on 12/12/2010 12:59:54 PM PST by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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To: driftdiver

While researching natural born citizen..in the old newspapers..a Founder was quoted they added the right to bear arms to protect the citizens from the government.

Have lost the newspaper article due to hard drive burn out.

The search began at the Williamsburg website..in the Gazette.


57 posted on 12/12/2010 1:05:00 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: Gadsden1st

Sarah can increase the number and pack the court when we elect her in 2012.

And how on Earth will that happen? lol. They have to be willing to leave. They cannot be forced out by Sarah. Wow! Stunning how FREEPERS need to know the workings of the government.


58 posted on 12/12/2010 1:05:29 PM PST by napscoordinator
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To: facedown
No kidding there Einstein. Why would the states have joined a union that didn't include the laws they wanted?

Exactly. And would 18th Century Americans have joined a Union that had the right to take away their guns?

59 posted on 12/12/2010 1:05:33 PM PST by syriacus (ObamaCare: Helping millions through hurting millions)
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To: driftdiver
“Founding Father James Madison was more worried that the Constitution may not be ratified than he was about granting individuals the right to bear arms.”

but with the ratification of the Constitution it ultimately gave people the right to bear arms so what the hell is Breyer’s point?

60 posted on 12/12/2010 1:08:59 PM PST by tobyhill
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