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Top students fleeing Oakland public schools
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 12/14/10 | Jill Tucker, Chronicle Staff Writer

Posted on 12/14/2010 12:19:38 PM PST by SmithL

One of every four Oakland students - including 40 percent of its highest achievers - fled the district's public schools after finishing fifth grade in the spring, shunning the city's middle schools in favor of private, suburban or charter schools.

The exodus, which crosses all ethnicities and income levels, meant a loss of at least $6 million in state revenue. But perhaps more importantly, it shows the staggering brain drain that consistently leaves middle schools heavily weighted with struggling students.

It's a confounding problem for Oakland administrators: How can they improve the middle schools' test scores when the brightest students leave?

"The middle schools are saying, 'Come on. We're supposed to get these kids,' " Oakland Superintendent Tony Smith said. Oakland is the most improving large urban district in the state, but that's not showing up in middle school test scores, he said.

Smith asked district staff this year to examine enrollment figures to confirm his hunch that there was more to the precipitous drop in proficiency rates from elementary to middle school than what was happening inside the classrooms.

The numbers confirmed that the district was losing 40 percent of the advanced students as well as 28 percent of those who reached grade-level proficiency at an Oakland elementary school.

The result has been a drop in test scores from elementary to middle schools - scores that make it hard to then attract families of incoming sixth-graders.

For example, in 2010, 54 percent of fifth-graders were proficient or advanced in English, compared with 39 percent of sixth-graders. Next door in Berkeley, 63 percent of sixth-graders were proficient or better.

In short, many families feel their high-performing children can't maintain that kind of achievement at the district's middle schools, Smith said.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; democrats; education; fail; oakland; publiceducation; sandfrancisco; teachersunions; unions; yourtaxdollarsatwork

1 posted on 12/14/2010 12:19:40 PM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL
They would not have so many struggling students if they could hire people with real intelligence who could actually teach reading, writing, history and arithmetic.
2 posted on 12/14/2010 12:22:18 PM PST by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: SmithL
It's a confounding problem for Oakland administrators: How can they improve the middle schools' test scores when the brightest students leave?

Hey, I have an idea!

TEACH BETTER.

I think that would fix things right up.

3 posted on 12/14/2010 12:24:15 PM PST by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: SmithL
"Nearly three-fourths of the 364 white kindergartners who started at a district school in 1997 left by the 12th grade, leaving just 92 white seniors in the 2010 graduating class of 3,442 students."

More than 97% non-white. How can those students possibly learn if there isn't a white student to sit next to them? /illustrating absurdity

4 posted on 12/14/2010 12:26:13 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Palin 2012: don't retreat, just reload)
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To: Oberon

Raise the bar and students will try to reach it.
Lower the bar and students will try to reach it.


5 posted on 12/14/2010 12:27:09 PM PST by umgud
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To: SmithL
The exodus, which crosses all ethnicities and income levels, meant a loss of at least $6 million in state revenue.

What will the left do if it ever comes to pass that race can no longer be used as a proxy for class.

6 posted on 12/14/2010 12:28:44 PM PST by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: SmithL

Truly tragic.


7 posted on 12/14/2010 12:29:04 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: OldMissileer
public schools are going the way of public buses.

Most funding should be cut for the public school system and instead just place small neighborhood schools inside each public housing project.

8 posted on 12/14/2010 12:31:02 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: SmithL

The onset of puberty has alot to do with this exodus.


9 posted on 12/14/2010 12:32:03 PM PST by junta (S.C.U.M. = State Controlled Unreliable Media)
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To: SmithL
Just bus in some white students.

/leftist

10 posted on 12/14/2010 12:32:42 PM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: SmithL

It’s OK Oakland - just keep doing what your doing, and everything will work out just fine (/sarc)


11 posted on 12/14/2010 12:33:01 PM PST by PGR88
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To: SmithL
The exodus, which crosses all ethnicities and income levels, meant a loss of at least $6 million in state revenue.

Lets look at the bright side: pensions and total # of teachers probably remain steady, and a 30-1 student-teacher ratio can flip, to become 1-30.

12 posted on 12/14/2010 12:34:54 PM PST by C210N (0bama, Making the US safe for Global Marxism)
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To: SmithL
The result has been a drop in test scores from elementary to middle schools - scores that make it hard to then attract families of incoming sixth-graders.

They have this backwards, the low scores caused the parents of the bright students to pull them out and give them a chance at a real education. If they would actually teach the subjects needed in the real world instead of how to worship homos they wouldn't be losing students.

13 posted on 12/14/2010 12:35:22 PM PST by calex59
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To: SmithL

WAAAAAAA!

All the kids who really want to keep learning and doing well are leaving to go to schools to get into an environment where they can!

WAAAAAAA!

And the public schools are stuck with the rest: those who haven’t given their education much thought; and those who have, but don’t really care.

WAAAAAAA!

Now the public intermediate schools might have to change their entire top-down, statist-dictated campus gulag environment to try and lure back the achievers.

WAAAAAAA!


14 posted on 12/14/2010 12:43:19 PM PST by HKMk23 (Quit worryin' what other folks think; they don't do it all that much anyway.)
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To: PGR88

Isn’t Oakland the school district which teaches Ebonics as an official language?


15 posted on 12/14/2010 12:45:58 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: OldMissileer
They eschewed nearby Westlake in favor of Alameda or American Indian Charter School, district officials said.

The 'Fox' (a.k.a. Ben Chavis)is really starting to have an effect.

16 posted on 12/14/2010 12:47:11 PM PST by Timocrat (Eating too much cheese can lower your IQ)
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To: SmithL

They’re leaving to escape the undisciplined kids who disrupt the classes and can’t be controlled by the teachers, so that they can continue with their education.


17 posted on 12/14/2010 12:48:00 PM PST by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: Oberon
If these are truly the top students...then their leaving public education shows a marked sense of value.

That is...they fully realize that they are regressing...not progressing. That what they are being fed is more harmful than good. That they look to their leaders for example and find a wasteland. That they look sometimes to their political leaders for guidance and proof that education will work for them...and they read how the "leader-in-chief" says that "unemployment benefits are the biggest boost to the economy."

Is it any wonder that with these examples, they are leaving public education???

The saddest part is that those NOT leaving public education will be elected to high state and/or national office.

Those with the intelligence and having left public education will be the next to leave the US.

18 posted on 12/14/2010 12:50:13 PM PST by Logic n' Reason (You can roll a turd in powered sugar; that don't make it a jelly donut)
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To: SmithL

This is a good trend. As students leave the public schools for private schools, the power of the corrupt unions decreases. At least these parents care enough to get their kids out of these failing and unsafe schools. The Leftist education monopoly and the disintegration of of the family are the main reasons that our nation is failing to give children a good eduction.


19 posted on 12/14/2010 12:51:50 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est)
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To: SIDENET

Solution of the Left...have the federal regulatory apparatus implement an internal passport system with strict relocation rules.


20 posted on 12/14/2010 12:53:04 PM PST by dogcaller
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To: SmithL
Not all students are equal. Some are very, very smart. Some are capable. Some are not capable - no, not even with so-called "good teaching". They simply are not able to grasp the concepts. And some are eager to avoid learning.

That said, all are mixed together. So the smart ones learn despite the school. The capable ones get by but learn very little. The rest may graduate, but are lacking the most basic elements of education.

Parents with above-average children should, in my opinion, get them out of public schools. Find an alternative. Those who want their average children to excel should do the same.

The public schools are, by and large, with exceptions duly noted, an intellectual desert. They are not getting any better. And even the best teachers are so busy taking care of the incapable and unwilling that they have no time for the better students.

21 posted on 12/14/2010 12:58:12 PM PST by neutrino (Globalization is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.(173))
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To: SmithL
"The middle schools are saying, 'Come on. We're supposed to get these kids:' "

Step 1: Lose the entitlement mentality.

22 posted on 12/14/2010 12:59:29 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: dogcaller
Solution of the Left...have the federal regulatory apparatus implement an internal passport system with strict relocation rules.

Or worse, revive the state court ruling that home schooling is "illegal."

23 posted on 12/14/2010 1:04:55 PM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: PGR88

“It’s OK Oakland - just keep doing what your doing, and everything will work out just fine (/sarc)”

More money! They need to spend more money! /s/


24 posted on 12/14/2010 1:25:33 PM PST by henkster (A broken government does not merit full faith and credit.)
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To: SmithL

My sister went to 7th grade at a school in El Cerrito back in the 70s, and the black-on-white persecution was bad back then. I’m sure it’s worse now.

Of course, this would have nothing to do with people leaving the schools.

/sarc


25 posted on 12/14/2010 1:32:29 PM PST by Disambiguator
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To: SmithL

Considering how well Jerry Brown did destroying Oakland and its school system, one can’t begin to imagine how well he’ll do with the entire state of California. The nightmare is right on the horizon. Future article will be entitled “Brain drain from California School Districts,” and the “rest of California.”


26 posted on 12/14/2010 1:36:07 PM PST by Ranger Warrior
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To: SmithL

Those that can flee liberalism . . schools, neighborhoods, cities, shopping areas, states, regions. Liberalism is inherently a deal killer.


27 posted on 12/14/2010 1:54:29 PM PST by A_Former_Democrat (NO MOS-que AP: It's the "GROUND ZERO MOSQUE")
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To: All

“How can they improve the middle schools’ test scores when the brightest students leave?”
Maybe they should actually HELP the kids who DO need it.


28 posted on 12/14/2010 1:56:03 PM PST by TheOregonian (Obama=Fail, Medicare=Worse fail)
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To: NonValueAdded

California was cutting edge in introducing the hate whitey diversity doctrines into the schools. I feel sorry for the 92 white students who had to finish school there. They are probably extremely abused. Their parents stink to do that to them.


29 posted on 12/14/2010 1:57:10 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Ranger Warrior
It's not rocket science, folks:

1. Eliminate tenure and seniority.

2. Base teacher benefits and retention on quality, not seniority.

3. Make it clear to the persons evaluating, hiring and promoting teachers that their jobs depend on improving the quality of education.

4. Make the dismissal of a bad teacher a simple, short process - not a multiyear judicial process.

5. Make the expulsion of chronic troublemakers in the student body a simple, short process - not a multiyear judicial process.

6. Encourage teachers to get advanced degrees in their areas of expertise. Discourage them from obtaining advanced degrees in Education.

The schools would improve markedly in a very short period of time.

30 posted on 12/14/2010 1:58:55 PM PST by p. henry
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To: SmithL

31 posted on 12/14/2010 2:14:25 PM PST by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: SmithL

No problem. They’ll pressure the big unions to find a way to make it illegal for these students to leave. This is what leftist teachers do best....it’s the only thing they can do at all!


32 posted on 12/14/2010 2:54:13 PM PST by Soothesayer (smallpox is not a person)
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To: SmithL

The elementary schools are probably just as bad as the middle schools. The difference is most parents are capable of supplementing enough to make sure their kids can read and know their times table.

After five years they say, “Screw this, I’m not teaching them algebra, too” and send them private.

The ones who care, that it....


33 posted on 12/14/2010 2:56:49 PM PST by Eepsy
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To: p. henry
Encourage teachers to get advanced degrees in their areas of expertise. Discourage them from obtaining advanced degrees in Education.

I believe that their area of expertise is Education. I don't think most of them could obtain a Bachelor Degree in the subject they are teaching, so I see no way for them to obtain advanced degrees.

I base this on seeing the mass transfer of chemistry majors to education majors after one semester of hard science and calculus, back in 1968. I only assume it happened in other majors, and is still happening today.

34 posted on 12/14/2010 2:57:19 PM PST by cayuga (Can the US survive an electorate stupid enough to send 0bama to the White House?)
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To: tacticalogic

Teacher unions, after having for decades whined about wanting smaller class sizes finally got their wish. Not so great when the students left are the unproductive schlubs, is it?? Well, too damned bad!!


35 posted on 12/14/2010 3:00:12 PM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: SmithL

This is a microcosm of California as a whole... the producers are heading for the exits, leaving behind the unproductive types. This is what the progressivist left has wanted, right? Now the teacher unions have a simpler, more mentally malleable core group of students to mold into perpetually needy, dependent sheep. The future of California couldn`t be brighter.


36 posted on 12/14/2010 3:09:51 PM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Swordmaker; AdmSmith; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; ..

Thanks SmithL.
...the district was losing 40 percent of the advanced students as well as 28 percent of those who reached grade-level proficiency at an Oakland elementary school...
So, about seven, eight kids?

Apparently there are parents, even in Oakland, who want a quality education for their children. Bravo, and more power to 'em!


37 posted on 12/14/2010 3:39:35 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: NonValueAdded
leaving just 92 white seniors in the 2010 graduating class of 3,442 students.

Damn, those poor kids. My wife and I went to a mixed-race urban school, and had our share of getting jumped and beat up by blacks. But it was only about 20 percent black. Can't imagine it being 97 percent black and being a white kid there.

38 posted on 12/14/2010 5:16:59 PM PST by roadcat
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To: umgud

“Raise the bar and students will try to reach it.
Lower the bar and students will try to reach it.”

Students will be reaching for the $4.5B MO salad bar.

: o /


39 posted on 12/14/2010 5:26:35 PM PST by maggief
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