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Declare ethanol a failure
Scripps Howard News Service ^ | Dec. 14, 2010 | Dale McFeatters

Posted on 12/15/2010 7:32:27 AM PST by george76

We've tried the ethanol experiment, and it's failed.

Ethanol hasn't significantly affected our dependence on imported oil, nor has it significantly cut carbon emissions. It has, however, cost taxpayers a bundle, including raising food prices.

Corn-based ethanol is uneconomic as a fuel, especially compared with gasoline and diesel. Ethanol requires mandates to make motorists use it and a generous subsidy of 45 cents a gallon to get refiners to produce it.

Even if ethanol were a solution to any of our energy problems — and it's not — ethanol can be produced cheaper in countries like Brazil with abundant sugar cane. But to protect the domestic industry from competition, that government imposes a 54 percent-per-gallon tariff on ethanol imports.

There is still time to block the extension.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Georgia; US: Illinois; US: Iowa; US: Nebraska
KEYWORDS: corn; energy; ethanol; foodprices; oil; taxpayers
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To: george76
The water claimed to be used by ethanol is commonly known as "rain" and the corn applied as ethanol feedstock is not otherwise available as human food.

That being said, subsidies or special tax breaks for any industry, ethanol and oil industries included, are a bad idea.

21 posted on 12/15/2010 9:57:22 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: george76

Subsidy of 45 cents a gallon to get refiners to produce it.
Any questions about the IQ of a congressperson.


22 posted on 12/15/2010 10:01:09 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: oyez
It is more efficent to fuel a horse with corn than convert to ethanol.

Washington Roebling, at the dedication to the Brooklyn Bridge, compared its construction to the pyramids. The Egyptians, he explained, put a few grains of rice in the bellies of some Hebrews, while we used coal to power steam engines. Thus, the Egyptians used the sun's energy more efficiently than us.

23 posted on 12/15/2010 10:02:27 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Socialists are to economics what circle squarers are to math; undaunted by reason or derision.)
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To: george76
You might want to Google on something to the effect of “Pimentel Debunked” if you're seriously interested in the energy consumed by the production of a corn crop.
24 posted on 12/15/2010 10:03:49 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky

West of the Mississippi River does always get enough rain.

Thus many large —expensive—water storage projects.

Hence the old west sayings


25 posted on 12/15/2010 10:07:35 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Mr. Lucky

Grass Makes Better Ethanol than Corn Does.

the corn-based ethanol lobbyists and politicians are pushing for high tarriffs to keep Brazilian ethanol out. That further increases the price at the retail pump level.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=grass-makes-better-ethanol-than-corn

Livestock eat corn. If corn price go up, then meat prices will go up, too.


26 posted on 12/15/2010 10:24:33 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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West of the Mississippi River does NOT always get enough rain.
27 posted on 12/15/2010 10:26:46 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: screaminsunshine
I sure wish they would get it out of the gas in Florida. It ruins outboards.

It also ruins the fuel systems in cars with carburetors and to a degree fuel injectors. (the alcohol attacks the rubber parts)
28 posted on 12/15/2010 10:33:34 AM PST by Foolsgold (L I B Lacking in Brains)
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To: george76

Livestock also eat distillers dried grain and digest it far more efficiently than whole corn.


29 posted on 12/15/2010 10:38:08 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: george76

Only about 16% of the US corn crop is irrigated and almost no irrigated corn is used as ethanol feed stock.


30 posted on 12/15/2010 10:40:21 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Vaduz
Any questions about the IQ of a congressperson.

According to Dick Morris, about 10% of the money in these earmarks is returned to the politician in the form of campaign contributions. In most places this is called a kickback. Sometimes it's called money laundering. But in Congress it's business as usual.

31 posted on 12/15/2010 11:05:03 AM PST by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: Mr. Lucky
The water claimed to be used by ethanol is commonly known as "rain" and the corn applied as ethanol feedstock is not otherwise available as human food.

The argument is that the land used to cultivate this corn had been used to produce food prior to the subsidies.

32 posted on 12/15/2010 11:08:16 AM PST by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: hgro
Be sure and apply for your check from the oil industry.

Anybody with the scantest amount of common sense knows you don't have to subsidize something that is a good product.

Using a base food staple as an engine fuel is dumb, forcing the taxpayers to pay for it is stupid.
33 posted on 12/15/2010 11:11:54 AM PST by wasp69 (space for rent)
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To: screaminsunshine

Check out http://www.pure-gas.org.

Non-ethanol gas is called “recreational gas,” and many marinas and gas stations sell it. Perhaps there is one near you.

I use recreational gas in my 1990 Airstream motor home and my 1991 Cadillac whenever I can — both run better, get better gas mileage. And, in my own small way, I’m sticking it to the environmental whackos when I use it.


34 posted on 12/15/2010 11:53:47 AM PST by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: mbynack
By that argument, removal of any land from vegetable production somehow consumes huge volumes of water.
35 posted on 12/15/2010 11:55:03 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky

It’s time to re-think corn irrigation.

corn farmer... in the 1950s when Georgia farmers averaged 25 bushels per acre...

the times and technology have changed. Georgia averaged 130 bushels per acre in 2007, and...there are other reasons, including improved hybrids, better fertilization, improved weed control, and other factors for Georgia’s better corn yields.

Irrigation requires a relatively high investment in equipment, fuel, maintenance and labor, but it offers a significant potential for increasing net farm income. Frequency and timing of water application have a major impact on yields and operating costs.

http://southeastfarmpress.com/its-time-re-think-corn-irrigation


36 posted on 12/15/2010 12:40:32 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: BikerTrash; Carry_Okie; jazusamo; familyop; GladesGuru

Ethanol is made mostly from corn in the United States, and more than one-third of the country’s corn crop goes into making it, said Professor Lee Meyer, from the UK College of Agriculture’s Department of Agricultural Economics.

The U.S. Department of Agriculture projects a greater percentage of the corn crop will go toward ethanol production in the next few years.

“Though corn production is on an upward trend, production has not increased nearly as quickly as the use of corn for fuel,” Meyer said. “Something has to give. That means less corn is going to be used for feeding livestock.”

Corn is the primary feed for chicken and hogs, and it is often used for the last stage of feeding cattle. Its price has increased by approximately 40 percent in 2010.

http://southeastfarmpress.com/grains/corn-common-denominator-fuel-meat-prices

What is missing ? Thanks


37 posted on 12/15/2010 12:50:22 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

Irrigation in a humid state such as Georgia doesn’t deplete water resources. Georgia cropland averages well over a million gallons of rainfall per acre per year.


38 posted on 12/15/2010 12:57:51 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: george76
The US corn crop has increased from 6.5 Billion bushels per year to over 13 Billion bushels per year since 1980. In 2010, ethanol is expected to require a little over 4 Billion bushels of corn, leaving 9 Billion bushels of raw corn for other uses. In addition to this corn, the dry milling process will leave 72 Billion pounds of distillers grain which makes an excellent high protein livestock ration.
39 posted on 12/15/2010 1:22:59 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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Measuring Corn Ethanol's Thirst for Water Total water requirements for the irrigation and conversion of one liter of ethanol by state, as well as the total water used in ethanol production by state. Credit: Environmental Science and Technology
40 posted on 12/15/2010 2:01:54 PM PST by anglian
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