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"Don't Ask, Don't Tell," DREAM Act, Head to Senate for Votes This Weekend
CBS News ^ | December 17, 2010 | Lucy Madison

Posted on 12/17/2010 10:15:23 AM PST by ConjunctionJunction

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1 posted on 12/17/2010 10:15:27 AM PST by ConjunctionJunction
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To: ConjunctionJunction
Both of these need to be killed, but if passed at least 'don't ask don't tell' can be repealed later.

The "Dream Act" nationally will be California writ large, and is forever.

Call your senator!

2 posted on 12/17/2010 10:18:35 AM PST by skeeter
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To: ConjunctionJunction

Next; “Don’t swish, don’t lisp and keep yer hands to yerself”.. doctrine..


3 posted on 12/17/2010 10:19:36 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: ConjunctionJunction

CLOSE DOWN GOVT FOR CRYING OUT LOUD
we cannot have openly serving queers, Hell look at the latest queer to have stolen all the info and given it to wikileaks

Dream act, yea the name game again from the left like homosexuals they say are gay when they are not they’re homosexuals , queers.

Letting in millions of illegals to ensure the rats stay i power is giving away the country.

Can’t even believe we’re talking about men who like to poke dicks up hairy arse being told that they should serve and have equal rights, hell what is next women and horses is OK then, men dressing in skirts on base after work.
illegals being legal and then not speaking English, saying no more 4th July.

what utter crap and to think it is because the GOP have no guts to stand up and speak out and because many sit on their asses posting on sites and yet never making a call, infact making lots of calls to these north east reps


4 posted on 12/17/2010 10:22:37 AM PST by manc (FOX and the media never talk about the queer private who stole all the secrets do they? mmmmmm)
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To: skeeter

been on the phone for the last two days and nearly called every senator some 5 times saying do not vote to repeal or vote for the dream act and will continue to do so until voting time.
I’ve got a couple of people doing the same.
If we get at least 10 people making calls to those reps thinking of voting for this then we could stand a chance because you can bet you house that the queers and the left are.

Call, send mail , I take it Hannity and others have not mentioned this either or am I wrong?


5 posted on 12/17/2010 10:25:23 AM PST by manc (FOX and the media never talk about the queer private who stole all the secrets do they? mmmmmm)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

Ping!


6 posted on 12/17/2010 10:25:49 AM PST by HiJinx (I can see Mexico from the back porch...)
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To: ConjunctionJunction

Yes, defeat them both - I don’t care which of the two are “more dangerous”, neither should pass during the lame duck session. They had the whole government for two years to pass their garbage, too late, too late.


7 posted on 12/17/2010 10:26:19 AM PST by Baladas ((ABBHO))
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To: ConjunctionJunction

hardly any media including FOX have not even mentioned don’t ask and then the vote will come Saturday when no one will hear about it and that is when the media will talk about it saying how great it is.


8 posted on 12/17/2010 10:26:59 AM PST by manc (FOX and the media never talk about the queer private who stole all the secrets do they? mmmmmm)
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To: manc
The hosts have been largely focused on the budget stuff.

Unfortunately they can't let down - IMO this is even more important.

9 posted on 12/17/2010 10:29:18 AM PST by skeeter
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To: ConjunctionJunction
Concerning DADT, the Dems are such hypocrites. They could have struck it down when they controlled all three branches, but knew that doing so would anger conservative Democrats. So instead they bring it to a vote now, knowing it won't pass.

However, now the Dems can blame it on the evil Republicans while the majority of gay and lesbian voters will go about their business blissfully unaware that they are being used as political footballs by the Democrat politicians they blindly support.

10 posted on 12/17/2010 10:29:54 AM PST by GSWarrior
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To: GSWarrior

seems don’t ask will be repealed and we’ll have men dressing in skirts on base after work and men holding hands on base.
Of course keep calling and sending mail to stop this and tell Brown, Collins Snowe etc to not repeal this


11 posted on 12/17/2010 10:33:08 AM PST by manc (FOX and the media never talk about the queer private who stole all the secrets do they? mmmmmm)
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To: skeeter

it’;s all Hannity ever talks about is the economy, so much for him being a conservative when he doesn’t have the balls to take on the social issues and the queer agenda.

Sorry disagree getting rid of don’t ask is just as bad as the budget.
You get don’t ask repealed and then they will say they should overturn DOMA as they cannot marry in their state, then it will be teach it in school as it is the marriage law, so now we have kids being told how to do fisting up a man’s arse.

All of these bills should fail and if the GOP had bills along with the likes of Hannity then we could stop them


12 posted on 12/17/2010 10:36:23 AM PST by manc (FOX and the media never talk about the queer private who stole all the secrets do they? mmmmmm)
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To: ConjunctionJunction

This is why the omnibus was killed. They REALLY want the amnesty. They are SCREWED in ‘12 without it.


13 posted on 12/17/2010 10:36:56 AM PST by Christian Engineer Mass (Leftys who zone in on Palin miss the point. America's not about single figures. That's for NK/Cuba.)
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To: ConjunctionJunction
Alright folks, does anyone have an idea as to whether these will pass? Will someone filibuster?

Mike

14 posted on 12/17/2010 10:39:06 AM PST by MichaelP (It's the end of the world as they know it, and I'm so glad!)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass
They are SCREWED in ‘12 without it.

WE are SCREWED in ‘12 -- and beyond -- WITH it.

15 posted on 12/17/2010 10:41:04 AM PST by Lazamataz (Only 19 days of Democrat fascism left!)
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To: manc
I'm referring to the DREAM Act as being the only truly fatal piece of legislation here.

Maybe its cause I've seen my state irrepairably damaged by that kind of starry eyed crap.

But I agree, its outrageous that this lame duck congress would even consider voting on legislation as crucial as any of these.

16 posted on 12/17/2010 10:41:31 AM PST by skeeter
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To: MichaelP

Hate to say it, but looks like they have the votes for DADT repeal:

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/12/16/breaking-brown-to-back-dadt-repeal/

Passing the DREAM Act seems more iffy.


17 posted on 12/17/2010 10:42:25 AM PST by ConjunctionJunction
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To: manc
CLOSE DOWN GOVT FOR CRYING OUT LOUD

Might be the only way to stop this trickery is to defeat the spending resolution.

CNN International online reports that Susan Collins, Olympia Snowe, Lisa Murkowski and Scott Brown will only vote to repeal DADT if a continuing resolution to fund the government is passed first.

If the resolution is passed today, the Dems might have the necessary votes for cloture.

18 posted on 12/17/2010 10:45:16 AM PST by Racehorse (Preach the Gospel at all times. If necessary, use words.)
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To: Racehorse

have to close Govt, all these important issues are being voted on now while they have power and it is a disgrace while the media stay silent about don’t ask waiting to mention it when no one is watching on Saturday.

I;ve called all those senators many times in the last couple of days and have got a couple of pother people to do so too.

I’m not sitting down and watching them pass these bills without a fight and if they do win then I will not give up until everything they do is overturned so GOP you better be ready to get some balls for a change.

If we had a lameduck sessions you know the rats would close down Govt so why are we not?


19 posted on 12/17/2010 10:49:17 AM PST by manc (FOX and the media never talk about the queer private who stole all the secrets do they? mmmmmm)
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To: skeeter

“Dream Act”...”Amnesty Bill... If this get’s passed then you will have a Country over-run with Mexicans voting Democrat on everything. This my friends is exactly why the Dems want it passed because they know they lose the election for years to come!”

I agree with this statement posted on another site.


20 posted on 12/17/2010 10:51:43 AM PST by caww
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To: ConjunctionJunction

Start calling everybody. We can kill this just as we killed the Omnibus bill.


21 posted on 12/17/2010 10:51:52 AM PST by rep-always
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To: All

These WHITE Democrats don’t seem to understand: when Mexicans become the voting bloc they hope for, these WHITE Dems will be primaried out by people named “Martinez”, :Guiterrez”, etc....


22 posted on 12/17/2010 10:58:24 AM PST by Maverick68
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To: ConjunctionJunction

I am getting sick of getting sick of hearing about the Dream Act, that most of Americans do not want it, we cannot afford. Is Washington just firing up the printing press to inject more money for their special projects, even though we do not have it ?


23 posted on 12/17/2010 10:59:51 AM PST by moonshinner_09
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To: manc
it’;s all Hannity ever talks about is the economy, so much for him being a conservative when he doesn’t have the balls to take on the social issues and the queer agenda.

Libertarians never do. Anne Coulter and I agree, Goldwater was the leas social conservative in the field, and probably had more affect on the election than the Daisy Add.

When I was in the Navy we had a place for Homosexuals, it was a little room with bars. Other wise they would have to be very good swimmers.

Adultery used to be a court martial offense, I guess Patsy Shroeder changed the military forever.

24 posted on 12/17/2010 11:04:26 AM PST by itsahoot (We the people, allowed Republican leadership to get us here, only God's Grace can get us out.)
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To: ConjunctionJunction
Well again, I called my 2 senate Dems for VA and
asked them to vote against DADT and Dream Act.

Webb 202-224-4024
Warner 202-224-2023

Routed to voice-mail and was easy to do.

Curiously Warner's mail box was full today.

25 posted on 12/17/2010 11:05:54 AM PST by topfile
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To: manc
But will it pass the House?

I have no idea how many homosexuals currently serve, but I predict that most of them are content to "not tell."

The purpose of DADT was to end the witch hunts by the military and to stop the practice of allowing suspected homosexuals to serve for 19 years only to be discharged with no pension or other benefits weeks before their retirement.

The left wants people to believe that there are countless military personnel who are serving in fear of being found out. I don't believe this is true.

The right wants people to believe that if it is overturned we will end up with "men dressing in skirts on base after work and men holding hands on base." I don't believe that is true, either.

What you likely will have is a few homosexual activists joining the military--with no intent to serve out their contract--to specifically stir the pot and push the envelope as far as possible.

26 posted on 12/17/2010 11:08:09 AM PST by GSWarrior
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To: Pride in the USA; Stillwaters

With only a matter of days left in which to break the back of America, these zombies are not going to waste any of them sleeping. It’s going to be a long weekend.


27 posted on 12/17/2010 11:13:19 AM PST by lonevoice (Where the Welfare State is on the march, the Police State is not far behind)
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To: itsahoot

it’;s a shame for you and I who are vets to see PC infest a great institution.My kids , my boys rather were looking forward to carrying on a family tradition of over a 100 years and now it looks to be I will be the last one.

Hannity etc could easily mention the don’t ask and get his followers calling in their thousands but he never mentions it because he’s a coward like so many who are on the radio or TV.
They’re happy to call themselves conservatives and talk about budgets but that is all they ever do while they collect vast amounts of money from other conservatives.
Guess money is more important to them than principles.

We heard that one guy while I was serving might have been a homosexual, he was quickly moved and never seen again for his safety I presume.

That was the only time we ever heard of a homosexual then.
Many I still know are serving and they said in other words they will not stand there and have homosexuals walking on base holding hands or them having homosexual parties on base nor will they allow men to be wearing skirts after work on base.

These people which say no big deal or so what have no idea the amount of problems which this will lead to.

Once this is repealed or if it is because no one calls due to be lazy or not bothered DOMA will be next as they will say they can fight and die but cannot marry.


28 posted on 12/17/2010 11:16:02 AM PST by manc (FOX and the media never talk about the queer private who stole all the secrets do they? mmmmmm)
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To: ConjunctionJunction

I think if Manchin and Webb vote for repeal of DADT, they had better not plan on running for reelection in 2012.


29 posted on 12/17/2010 11:21:04 AM PST by behzinlea
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To: GSWarrior

exactly
A few homosexual activists will join to cause trouble and look for lawsuits so they can get more money for the next step in their agenda.

The reason don’t ask was given was to say this is your private life, and at that time homosexuals said it was their private life.

Of course it was a red herring, they of course want the world to know what gets them off . Wait till they ask for freak parades on base and the lawsuits come. Wit till two men ware holding hands or they dress as women on base.

If it passes then the congress and when we get the white house should overturn it ASAP and never allow this to happen again.


30 posted on 12/17/2010 11:22:44 AM PST by manc (FOX and the media never talk about the queer private who stole all the secrets do they? mmmmmm)
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To: ConjunctionJunction
The Dream Act and repeal of DADT are bad enough each on their own, but together they are poison. Repeal of DADT will cause many of the more conservative members of our armed forces to leave the military, and Dream will encourage a swarm of illegals to take their place. A very dangerous situation for American patriots increasingly seen as a threat by the corrupted elite.

Keep those calls going.
31 posted on 12/17/2010 11:24:14 AM PST by Grandma Conservative
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To: GSWarrior
What you likely will have is a few homosexual activists joining the military--with no intent to serve out their contract--to specifically stir the pot and push the envelope as far as possible.

And we can look forward to seeing marine corps blues in the Folsom Street fair.

32 posted on 12/17/2010 11:26:45 AM PST by skeeter
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To: GSWarrior

“But will it pass the House?”

It already did, earlier this week, with a large majority.


33 posted on 12/17/2010 11:33:24 AM PST by Hawk720
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To: Hawk720

I need to start listening to the news more.


34 posted on 12/17/2010 11:34:44 AM PST by GSWarrior
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To: ConjunctionJunction
URGENT!!!

Dream Amnesty Allows Obama To Grant Amnesty To All Illegals

ALIPAC is rallying talk radio show listeners and American citizens to call the US Senate to oppose the Dream Act Amnesty today. The bill contains a waiver that would allow the Secretary of Homeland Security and President Obama to grant Amnesty to most illegal immigrants in America.

"The Dream Act Amnesty is a Nightmare already and would displace several million innocent American students, workers, and voters," said William Gheen, President of ALIPAC. "But now we find a waiver on page 5, line 21 of HR 5281 that allows Obama to grant Amnesty for most of the 12-20 million illegal aliens in America!"

Close inspection of HR 5281, which passed the house last week by a narrow margin, finds a blanket waiver provision on page 5 line 21 Sec. 6 (a)(2). Immediately following all of the promises in the bill that only illegal aliens that claim they are under 30, claim they have been in the US 5 years, and claim they were brought here by others when they were under 16, and claim they are going to college or into the military, the waiver allows all of these considerations to be dropped.

"(2) WAIVER.—With respect to any benefit under this section and sections...the Secretary of Homeland Security may waive the... ground of inadmissibility ...and the ground of deportability... for humanitarian purposes or family unity or when it is otherwise in the public interest."

This provision will grant the Obama administration the power to declare full amnesty for the 12 to 20 million adult illegal immigrants in America!

"Most of America has been suckered into thinking this Dream Act Amnesty cloture vote will just be about a subsection of illegal aliens brought here as kids and that's a lie," said William Gheen. "Americans need to call the Senate today to oppose this bill because it gives the Obama administration the power to grant Amnesty to tens of millions of illegals who will in turn destroy the borders of the United States."
35 posted on 12/17/2010 11:40:38 AM PST by Grandma Conservative
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To: GSWarrior

Already passed House. AS for the rest of your comment, I must say, it is a breath of fresh air to read some actual logic in a comment on FR.

This place doesn’t have the quality of non-reactionary, logical posts it used to have. Now many Freepers are like zombies just mindlessly freaking out about everything.

I would prefer DADT stay, but if it goes I think a way will be found to make it work without damaging the military.

The DREAM act is the real villain that must be stopped here out of the various bills.


36 posted on 12/17/2010 11:44:43 AM PST by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: ConjunctionJunction; All

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2644146/posts

Where are Palin & Huckabee?


37 posted on 12/17/2010 11:45:12 AM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Sola Veritas

The silence from both on the DREAM act is deafening.


38 posted on 12/17/2010 11:51:50 AM PST by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: rwfromkansas
I think a way will be found to make it work without damaging the military.

That's reassuring. Glad to see you backed that up with empirical data.

39 posted on 12/17/2010 11:54:00 AM PST by behzinlea
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To: skeeter

The point has been reached where no one, not even FOX, will come out with any viewpoint that opposes gays. This is because of FEAR of reprisal! Is this what America has come to?
How in the world did a nasty sexual perversion manage to get itself elevated to a “minority” and exercise such power over America? Such was the fall of Rome. I smell smoke.


40 posted on 12/17/2010 12:18:03 PM PST by Aleya2Fairlie
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To: ConjunctionJunction

Any talk of amnesty before our borders are secure is suicide.


41 posted on 12/17/2010 12:28:01 PM PST by Java4Jay
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To: Aleya2Fairlie
"How in the world did a nasty sexual perversion manage to get itself elevated to a “minority” and exercise such power over America?

No kidding. What "minority" perversion will be next to receive "status"? I don't want to know.

42 posted on 12/17/2010 12:41:48 PM PST by Jane Long (2 Chron 7:14)
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To: ConjunctionJunction

Apparently the two doofus heads here in VA are voting to repeal DADT. They just put it online in our local paper.


43 posted on 12/17/2010 12:47:16 PM PST by republicangel
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To: Jane Long
What "minority" perversion will be next to receive "status"?

So-called transgenders of course. We will soon have Marines who dress in trousers or skirts/bras depending on whether they feel more like a guy or a girl on that particular day. And as Admiral Mullen says, if other Marines have a problem with that, they will be invited to find a line of work other than war-fighting.

44 posted on 12/17/2010 12:48:31 PM PST by behzinlea
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To: All
They're having both on Saturday so everyone gets upset about DADT, but the nation crusher is the Dream Act as it sets up a complete amnesty. If that happens the USA is done. Amnesty: The Line in the Sand

Forever dem if amnesty passes. Simple as that, so burn those phone lines!

45 posted on 12/17/2010 12:50:57 PM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: manc

Repubs are too chicken sh*t to just walk out. They need to shit it down until January. Lame duck sessions are a joke. How is it fair to let members vote on things that determine our future....... members that have been rejected and voted out by the PEOPLE. It’s ridiculous. Nothing is higher priority for the Dems than making sure the fudge packers are taken care of. Freaking perverts!


46 posted on 12/17/2010 12:53:37 PM PST by mojitojoe (In itÂ’s 1600 years of existence, Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curr)
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To: Grandma Conservative
Thanks for the post. Good info. In many respects the Dream Act vote is going to forever determine the future of the United States. Keep calling!
47 posted on 12/17/2010 12:58:23 PM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: Java4Jay

Amnesty is an insane idea whether the borders are secure or not.


48 posted on 12/17/2010 1:02:36 PM PST by Grandma Conservative
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To: Maverick68
These WHITE Democrats don't seem to understand: when Mexicans become the voting bloc they hope for, these WHITE Dems will be primaried out by people named "Martinez", :Guiterrez", etc....

WHOA, HORSE!

I really don't wish to start a food fight, but the following is something which might interest some thread readers.

You go a bit wide of the mark. Your fear may not apply to every location nor every demographic.

I live in San Antonio, Texas. Our city is over sixty-percent Tejano/Latino/Mexican-by-descent. The neighbor family to my left as I type this reply is from Guatamala. David is a recent naturalized citizen. David was so proud of earning his citizenship that the first thing he did when I got home was show me his certificate of naturalization and the lamented wallet-size version.

"This is my country." He beamed with pride, meaning he believed correctly that he shared something more in common with his neighbors than he did the day before the naturalization ceremony. I suddenly remembered how his wife, who then spoke little English, told my wife how they had watched the HBO series, "John Adams" (obviously, the Spanish dubbed version), and how when their children started school they would learn English (which they absolutely have).

Contrary to popular history, until the middle 1900s San Antonio was not predominantly Mexican. What spiked the demographic shift was the long and bloody Mexican Revolution which drove refugees north. Among those refugees was Henry Cisneros's Grandparents.

(The Mexican Cartel Wars is pretty much nothing more than the revoluntionary class wars within Mexico. Lots of Mexican nationals with means are fleeing to the U.S.)

In the present form, I oppose the DREAM Act and have urged all of my representives in Congress to vote it down and out. In a different form . . . I might support it.

But, with respect to elections here in San Antonio, ethnicity might play a part, (race and ethnicity always does) but even in the hey-day of La Raza Unida/Chicano activism, we always chose the best choice for San Antonio, as we believed it might be.

Majority Latino/Tejano/Indian districts elected White (Anglo) candidates to represent them on the City Council. Though I never agreed with their politics, they were Robert "Bob" Thompson (a San Antonio lawyer, UTSA professor and a really aggressive and talented fighter pilot serving with the Texas Air National Guard's 149th Fighter Group (now Wing), and Patty Radle, a woman I am grateful who never ran for office in my district.

In San Antonio . . . your race, ethnicity only gets you so far. Can't judge the rest of the nation.

Our present mayor is a young Mexican-by-descent upper and comer in the Democratic Party. He replaced an old white guy who was turned out of office only because we have term limits.

Don't know how they count themselves to the census, but our City has been for awhile by ethnicity a majority held by Spanish surnamed representatives.

What I do know is they hired a White woman as City Manager, and offered her a crazy benefit package to keep her here. Even I think she has done a great job.

The Latino/Mexican dominated City Council hired a White man to be our Chief of Police.

Most telling of all . . . in every judicial race where an incumbent Democratic Judge was contested, the county replaced him or her with a Republican. EVERY RACE.

I am so proud to live in San Antonio, Texas!

What is often overlooked are the Asian and other so-called minorites in San Antonio and how they participate in all aspects of our city's life.

Too bad.

R.

49 posted on 12/17/2010 1:17:35 PM PST by Racehorse (Preach the Gospel at all times. If necessary, use words.)
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To: ConjunctionJunction

I wish the Old Dominion could do better than the two kneepadders we have in the Senate. Both are sh*tting on themselves with glee over repealing DADT. Sorry, America.

http://hamptonroads.com/2010/12/sens-webb-warner-ready-repeal-dont-ask-dont-tell


50 posted on 12/17/2010 1:19:40 PM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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