Skip to comments.Twenty Questions About Pornography. This Is A Test.
Posted on 12/18/2010 8:01:19 AM PST by IbJensen
Pornography has invaded the worlds imagination. It is everywhere: On the Internet, in films, in movies, in rap music videos. Five-year-old girls dress and are taught to behave like pornography stars in order to win beauty contests. Ten- to twelve-year-old girls both dress and behave like the pornographic images that surround themand they provide sexual services to young boys.
Operahigh culturehas also been increasingly sexed up. I have seen productions of Carmen and Lulu in which the lead diva was half-naked and in which she, too, sang the role as if she was a contemporary pornography star and prostitute.
No, I do not like any of this.
Yes, I take it all very seriouslyas many Second Wave feminists and our Christian and conservative allies once did.
No, I do not think that hiding women beneath burqas is, therefore, any kind of solution. In fact, both pornography and prostitution are booming businesses in most Muslim countries.
Before we go any further, lets play twenty questions. I really want your answers.
1. Is pornography work or is it a violent crime?
2. Is pornography free speech in action or is it a violent, often murderous crime?
3. Is pornography really a victimless crime?
4. Are pimps, johns, traffickers, and landlords being victimized? If so, why are they not complaining?
5. Are the people, mainly men, who buy and watch pornography being victimized? If so, why are they not complaining? Is anyone forcing them to consume pornography?
6. Are the seductive, taunting, smiling, naked girls and women who are being paid good moneyvictims? If so, why dont they complain, leave, find some other job?
7. Isnt working in pornography a job just like any other joblike any other acting job?
8. Arent pornography actors there of their own free willfor the easy money, the attention, the stardom?
9. Isnt our right to see and read whatever interests us essential to our fundamental liberty?
10. Doesnt the First Amendment guarantee us this right? If we criminalize one kind of free speech, where will it end? Who will decide what information or images we are allowed to see? Wont state or religious censorship chill our rights, even our very thoughts?
11. On behalf of free speech, and privacy rights, didnt Second Wave feminists avidly collaborate with pornographers to ensure that pornography remained a civil right?
12. Didnt Second Wave feminists launch the battle against violence against women, which included sexual harassment, rape, incest, domestic batteringas well as the most serious battle against pornography and prostitution? Werent they vilified for collaborating with Christians and conservatives on the issue of pornography and prostitution?
13. How many women from wealthy and prominent families, or with advanced educations, choose to work in pornography or as prostitutes?
14. Did you know that, by definition, pornography is that which has to do with prostitutes. Porne in Greek is a prostitute. The so-called actresses in pornography are treated as if they areand usually soon arealso working as prostitutes.
15. How different is being a prostitute from being a stripper, massage therapist, or a nurse?
16. How many prostituted girls and women are actually free to leave, walk out, give it all up?
17. Where might they go? Where might they call home? Who will help them get off drugs and alcohol, restore their ravaged health, support them as they deal with the sexually transmitted diseases, including AIDS, with which johns have infected them?
18. Do you have any idea of what the average age of a pornography actress/prostitute is?
19. How long a shelf-life does a working girl (prostitute, pornography actress) actually have?
20. Why does pornography turn people on?
I lived through the great feminist Sex Wars. I was both a participant and an eye-witness, as well as a confidante to feminists who were on both sides of this War. But before I share memories and analysis, I really want to hear from you. Your answers will help me understand how to share a vast body of knowledge and history with you in the most productive way. Heres a hint to help you think through these questions.
Pornography is a multi-billion dollar industry, right up there with guns and drugs. It is enormously profitable but not to the workers, most of whom are girls and women who have been sold by their parents, captured in war, kidnapped off the street, forced by their husbands, or who have been driven by poverty, racism, incest, and the most violent sexism into the arms of pimps, traffickers, landlords, advertisers, law enforcement officers, and johns.
Phyllis Chesler, Ph.D is an Emerita Professor of Psychology and Women's Studies at City University of New York. She is an author, psychotherapist and an expert courtroom witness. She has lectured and organized political, legal, religious and human rights campaigns in the United States and in Canada, Europe, the Middle East and the Far East. A popular guest on campuses and in national and international print, television, radio and online media, she has been an expert commentator on the major events of our time. She has lived in Kabul, Afghanistan, and in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv. She currently resides in Manhattan.
I agree completely with Jim’s statement in that thread: equal rights, not special rights.
...I asserting that he did and guys that think otherwise are seriously deluding themselves or the most proficient liars amongst mankind.
I'll close by stating, that no matter a person's religion, politics, social standing, or gender, I've see sex, or the chance to acquire it, make hypocrites out of many of them.
I'll add to that, that most straight guys would be amazed to know how many "straight" guys have been with / got it on with a pre-op Transsexual (also known as trannys in street lingo). Such as rapper Clingy, actor Eddie Murphy, singer Teddy Pendergrass, etc.
Many of these trannies are not truly gender dysphoric transsexual women in a man's body, but are gay boys who figured out they could make a lot more money and'or make it much faster and farther up the social ladder with a feminine body catering to "straight" men who want something a bit "different".
And this includes experiencing being on the receiving end, as the person they are with is in their minds a "girl", not a boy.
This has been and is currently a problem for the girlfriends and/or wives of these guys, as well as for public health, as the street trannies and escorts and party "girls" have a higher HIV + rate than even gay men do, and the guys who get it on with them consider themselves "straight" and not as "Men who have sex with men". So they lie to their girlfriends and/or wives and when they give blood about being 100% heterosexual...
Just thought I'd throw that out there.
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It produces a reaction in me as well!
I am not sure what ‘record’ you refer to. I would also be careful defining my reasoning as *not* Christian. The measure you use etc.
As Christians we defend others right to ignore God in terms of social organisation.
Certainly theologically no one has the right to ‘sin’. On that I agree.
OMG! We found something Laz wouldn’t hit!
Same shelf life. Fewer replays.
Thank you for that response, you might have noticed I was censured for it in another place.
I might only add that law should properly be used to protect minors and other clearly vulnerable people from being recruited into the pornographic sphere.
Hollywood and the entertainment industry are by no means "normative".
Nice try, though.
They are both being paid, and not by each other.
So whether it’s moral or not depends on who “signs the check”?
I didn’t know we were talking about criminal activity (against it), child porn (against), or human trafficking (against). Playboy and snuff films? Yea, they’re both the same. Snuff films involve murder (against). And I’m not the one who equated my right to own guns with porn and drugs. The writer of this P.O.S. stupid “answer these questions or else” article did.
So, how illogical is it to equate reading Playboy to a snuff film?
So the legality/morality of an activity depends on how common it is?
“Yelling fire can be harmful to the persons physical person if panic ensues. The harmful you speak of is spiritual and emotional, which doesnt hurt a person physically.”
Quite right about physical harm—but Spiritual and emotional harm is worse than physical; it can lead to physical harm (suicide, nervous breakdown); lasts longer and can be more painful than physical harm.
Additionally, there is real physical harm with pornography; many participants come down with STD’s; many viewers tend to “act out” what they see, harming themselves and others; promiscuity is promoted, which leads to STD’s. And I’m just scratching the surface of the harm that is caused and documented.
For the record, the common interpretation of this command is
“Thou shalt not Murder” or unlawful killing
killing in self defense is permitted, for example,
under the Ten Commandments
Defensive Acts of War are permitted
The Death Penalty is permitted under some interpretations as
a defensive act of society
Like adoption? Military service? Having their formal unions recognized as marriage? Ending any hints of condemnation or second rate status in school textbooks and curricula?
Nice try, though.
Well, I am trying to make a point, but not that it is normal.
Just using the examples of a few big names that hit the news to make a point. Most guys never get caught and if the average Joe does get caught up in something like that it doesn't make the news.
I did not mean to imply that it is normal. It is really just a small percentage of "straight" guys who do this. But even a small percentage of a large number can be a bigger number than most people would expect it to be.
Just to illustrate that it's out there more than people imagine, and to be aware that there is the danger of apparent straight guys at high risk of picking up / carrying / passing around HIV.
The bigger picture as I see it is not only what porn is on the computer or on the DVDs or in whatever form and wherever the porn is kept, is what other secrets are kept and are rationalized away.
No, whether it is prostitution or not does.
To 193 - I did ask and his answer was that he’d throw her out of the house and get a divorce.
Porn isnt a good thing for the people who work in it....Asbestos isn’t a good thing for the people who work in it, but it’s the only thing they can get that pays well.
Eyewash needed after looking at that horrific unfeminine battleax.
The irony about the whole Feminazi anti-porn movement is that their party line was “pornography CAUSES rape.”
However, since internet porn has become so readily available, the rape statistics have plummeted bigtime.
Very funny. Thanks for the laugh.....and for the clarification.
You presume falsely.
As far as I can see, there is nothing compelling a jurisdiction to permit the sale, distribution and operation of pornography should the people choose to bar it.
Except that the Supreme Court has ruled in numerous cases that porn is covered under First Amendment protection.
On a humorous note at a small city I once resided it was pretty well known about a guy who would don female clothes and a wig and work the streets downtown. Funny thing was he was an approx 6'5 weightlifter who looked like an NFL defensive lineman in a dress. If he fooled anyone it was only because they wanted to be.
I’m not argueing that girls/women don’t need to be smart/safe. They do.
What I’m saying is the attitude that “boys will be boys” is dangerous culturally to ALL girls/women because it exemmpts boys/men from the culutural expectation to act responsibily.
That attitude should not be promoted. It is dangerous (not to mention hypocritical).
Parents should not raise their boys to be “weak” and with a “boys will be boys” attitude.
Let’s see now ... the presence of a camera makes prostitution moral because it makes it more common/frequent, therefore it’s not moral?
Excellent statement!! It is very dangerous and I find it very concerning that pro life advocates think and promote "boys will be boys" while blaming only women for unplanned pregnancies and abortions. Unintended consequences of "that's what men do".
So if I pay a woman for sex with me it’s prostitution but if I pay her for sex with another guy it’s not prostitution?
Here’s a novel legal defense concept - Bill and Bob want to hire hookers, but don’t want to break any laws - so Bill hires a hooker to service Bob and Bob hires a hooker to service Bill, and they both film it - this somehow converts illegal prostitution into legal porn?
That doesn't look like a response to #219.
I'd be tempted to say "Come again?" but it would be in poor taste.
I think your reply should have been a continuation of #197, in which you asked:
So somehow the presence or absence of a camera alters the nature of the activity?
To which I answered "yes" -- explaining both how the frequency and purpose of the activity (sexual relations for money between adults) changed: because the essential nature of the activity is not the sexual gratification of the recipient of the sexual favors, but earning money by people paying for the opportunity to WATCH the sexual activity.
I then pointed out that in the adult film industry, there are employees ("fluffers") whose purpose is NOT to bring the participant to climax, but merely to maintain that participant's state of arousal in order that said participant be ready to resume *filming* after a break, with minimal delay.
All these things are a COMPOUNDING of the immorality, not a justification.
Just to show, it takes all kinds...
Certainly not an unknown phenomenon. Phil Vassar made an interesting song about a former linebacker / present day tow truck driver who showed up at the local bar / hang-out dressed as woman a while back... (*smile*)
He would have hit it. He was worse than Laz.
If Bill paid Bob and the woman to have sex with each other and he had sex with neither, then it works. If they buy hookers for each other, they are still buying hookers.
So if Bill pays for Bob and Bambi to have sex with each other, then it’s legal porn, but if Bob then pays for Bill and Trixi to have sex with each other, then they’re all involved in illegal prostitution?
“No, not HER.”
Who are you tryin’ to Shiite?
I hate it to break it to you... We are can’t go back to the 1950’s world nor should we..
Yes, I agree. It is properly “Thou shall not murder”, but most Christians of all eras would still interpret everyday Viking behavior as violating that commandment, which was my point.
Placemark for pingout. Didn’t get to it today.
Yeah but a pro Athelete doesn’t have anal prolapse, do they?
See post #18...
But before ya do...Make sure you have no sharp objects, hot beverages, firearms, explosives and that your seat and tray table is in the up and locked position...
This is why a negro woman will have 6 or more children and have no idea who fathered each. It does bring in plenty of government money to keep her in goodies. Adultery flourishes in black neighborhoods as that’s what keeps the goobermint checks, welfare, free breakfasts, lunches and now dinners flowing.
Ok, her too.
I believe that Marilyn Chambers (who died last year) did a crappy song album about 25 years ago. Should have stuck to her day job.
Very...thought provoking? :)
If that makes you squirm a little, too bad, because the lonely droolers who are so adamant about their "right" to enjoy porn are not only fooling themselves if they think their gross little hobby hurts no one, but are guilty of contributing to abuse.
Just like every purchaser of illegal drugs is implicated in the human misery that accompanies drug use, like slain border agents.