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Eight Republicans back ‘Don’t ask’ repeal (including Burr from NC!)
Politico ^ | 12/18/2010 | SHIRA TOEPLITZ

Posted on 12/18/2010 3:34:32 PM PST by Brices Crossroads

Eight Republicans bucked their party in backing the repeal of the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell" policy, potentially risking a backlash from the conservative base while giving the historic vote a stronger bipartisan finish than many expected.

The Republican senators voting “yes” with the Democrats on repeal were Richard Burr of North Carolina, Mark Kirk of Illinois, John Ensign of Nevada, Scott Brown of Massachusetts, George Voinovich of Ohio, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska – and Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins, both of Maine.

Burr, Ensign and Kirk did not announce their support for repeal before the Saturday vote. Burr and Ensign initially sided with Republicans in a procedural vote to bring the measure to the floor; they voted for repeal on the final vote.

But while Kirk and Ensign had previously indicated they were open to voting for repeal, Burr’s vote came as a surprise even to the sponsors of the legislation. Collins, who led the charge for repeal in the Senate with Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman, said she lobbied every other GOP senator who voted for repeal, except for the North Carolina Republican.

“I was confident going into the vote today that we had six to seven votes. I didn't not expect eight,” said Collins. “I was delighted but surprised with the vote from Sen. Burr. I think that was a gutsy vote and I was delighted. But he was not someone who I thought to lobby on the issue.”

Burr explained his reasoning to reporters after final passage.

“It's just that we’ve had a generational change and I have vehemently objected to making a policy change of this magnitude at this time. When cloture was passed, that settled that,” Burr said. “It’s not accepted practice anywhere in our society, and it only makes sense. But again, I was vehemently opposed to the timing of this.”

Another surprise of the day was Kirk, who was just elected to the Senate. As late as Thursday, the newly elected GOP senator told reporters that he was undecided and still combing through the long report from the Joint Chiefs of Staff on the issue.

Yet, in a 400-word statement released after the vote, Kirk explained in detail why he voted for the repeal of the policy.

“Following their exhaustive and considered military judgment, I support the Joint Chief's recommendation to implement the repeal of the current policy once the battle effectiveness of the forces is certified and proper preparations are complete,” said Kirk. “The legislation before us provides our military leaders with the time they requested to change the policy.”

Known for his moderate voting record as a congressman from the northern Chicago suburbs, Kirk was elected in the typically Democratic state of Illinois last November and was sworn into the Senate just three weeks ago.

But since arriving in Washington, Kirk has stood firmly with Senate Republicans. He was vocal in his opposition to the Democrat-backed $1.1 trillion omnibus spending bill, which Majority Leader Harry Reid yanked, voted against the defense reauthorization act that including the repeal of ‘don’t ask, don’t tell,’ and voted against the DREAM Act earlier Saturday.

Two of the Republicans — Brown and Snowe — are up for reelection in 2012.

“The vote speaks for itself,” Brown told POLITICO, before an aide added that he had explained his position in prior published statements and the elevator doors closed.

Voinovich, who is retiring at the end of this Congress, told reporters that he was “convinced, based on all of the experts who have looked at this, this is something that should be done.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1210/46578.html#ixzz18VZMt3Em


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: 2012; dadt; dontaskdonttell; gop; moralabsolutes; rinos
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Notice Burr's convoluted explanation:

Burr explained his reasoning to reporters after final passage.

“It's just that we’ve had a generational change and I have vehemently objected to making a policy change of this magnitude at this time. When cloture was passed, that settled that,” Burr said. “It’s not accepted practice anywhere in our society, and it only makes sense. But again, I was vehemently opposed to the timing of this.”

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No wonder he had such a hard time getting reelected. He will have a harder time in 2016.

1 posted on 12/18/2010 3:34:36 PM PST by Brices Crossroads
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To: Brices Crossroads

Might be time for a primary challenge.....


2 posted on 12/18/2010 3:36:03 PM PST by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: Brices Crossroads

Why was Kirk a surprise??? He’s gay.


3 posted on 12/18/2010 3:36:08 PM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: Brices Crossroads

He will lose the primary for this.


4 posted on 12/18/2010 3:37:05 PM PST by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: GenXteacher

Too bad no one challenged Burr this year. We have to wait six long years to get rid of him.


5 posted on 12/18/2010 3:37:11 PM PST by Brices Crossroads
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To: Brices Crossroads

I think the “gay” RINOs have all come out of the closet.


6 posted on 12/18/2010 3:37:36 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Merry Christmas to all of my FReeper FRiends!)
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To: Brices Crossroads

I knew he was a tad jelly spine on imigration. Thought he was OK on DADT.

Thats it for me - I’ll vote for the D in 2016.

At least when I get stabed in the back I’ll know it was the enemy.


7 posted on 12/18/2010 3:38:26 PM PST by PeteB570 (Islam is the sea in which the terrorist shark swims. It aids & comforts the shark on it's journey.)
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To: Brices Crossroads

This is messed up. They really heard nothing on election day.

I guess this is a social issue that is getting in the way??

Bye bye effective fighting force, hello Pink Corps.


8 posted on 12/18/2010 3:38:54 PM PST by GeronL (#7 top poster at CC, friend to all, nicest guy ever, +96/-14, ignored by 1 sockpuppet.. oh & BANNED)
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To: Brices Crossroads

Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ)

ART. 125. SODOMY

(a) Any person subject to this chapter who engages in unnatural carnal copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty of sodomy. Penetration , however slight, is sufficient to complete the offense.

(b) Any person found guilty of sodomy shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.


9 posted on 12/18/2010 3:40:30 PM PST by SubMareener (Become a monthly donor! Free FreeRepublic.com from Quarterly FReepathons!)
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To: GeronL

Look for the spate of sexual harassment lawsuits to come.


10 posted on 12/18/2010 3:42:10 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Brices Crossroads
Don't know if it would make a difference or not 'But' .. Wouldn't any vote determining military practice be better served if it were law that those voting actually Served in the military?

And I DO mean .. Served!
(No Kerry's allowed)


11 posted on 12/18/2010 3:44:10 PM PST by plinyelder ("I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: SubMareener

That’s being struck from the UCMJ as we type.


12 posted on 12/18/2010 3:45:04 PM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: originalbuckeye

..and dunham soetoro obama is bi-sexual.


13 posted on 12/18/2010 3:46:45 PM PST by biggredd1
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To: Brices Crossroads

Well since now they can “tell” ... seems to me they ought to wear it as a badge like a medal. How about a nice little frilly ribbon for uniform lapel ... that would look nice.


14 posted on 12/18/2010 3:48:55 PM PST by ThePatriotsFlag (You are just jealous because the voices aren't talking to YOU!)
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To: Brices Crossroads

Which is why he felt safe in screwing the people.


15 posted on 12/18/2010 3:49:09 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

of course.


16 posted on 12/18/2010 3:49:18 PM PST by GeronL (#7 top poster at CC, friend to all, nicest guy ever, +96/-14, ignored by 1 sockpuppet.. oh & BANNED)
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To: nonliberal; All

To all:

The House GOP when it takes control of the Chamber next year needs to have hearings and call as witnesses those who can attest to this policy’s near certain failure. We need to spotlight this and educate the American people to what is being done to the military in the interests not of national defense but political correctness.

The incoming Chairman of the House Armed Services Committee is Howard Buck McKeon from the 25th District of California.

The House Armed Services cCommittee can be contacted after January 4 at:

2340 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515
Phone: (202) 226-8980 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              (202) 226-8980      end_of_the_skype_highlighting
Fax: (202) 225-0858

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McKeon’s contact info is below:

Washington, D.C. Office
U.S. House of Representatives
2184 Rayburn HOB
Washington, D.C. 20515
ph: (202) 225-1956
fax: (202) 226-0683

Santa Clarita Office
26650 The Old Road
Suite 203
Santa Clarita, CA 91381
ph: (661) 254-2111
fax: (661) 254-2380

Palmdale Office
1008 W. Ave M-14
Suite E-1
Palmdale, CA 93551
ph: (661) 274-9688
fax: (661) 274-8744


17 posted on 12/18/2010 3:49:42 PM PST by Brices Crossroads
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To: biggredd1

Uummm, Ya!

Uncle Frank: “Why Barry, what nice big ears you have!”

I’ll quit now.


18 posted on 12/18/2010 3:50:27 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat
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To: Brices Crossroads

So now we have a military of poofters. Once they real men flee, they will draft squads of light in the loafers fools.

Goodbye America, and thanks to the GOP scum that made this possible.

I knew this country was dead. The Senate will be the undoing in 2012.


19 posted on 12/18/2010 3:50:36 PM PST by dforest
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To: FlingWingFlyer

What part of “Bradley Manning is a faggot” do these idiot politicians not understand???


20 posted on 12/18/2010 3:50:39 PM PST by La Enchiladita
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To: originalbuckeye

Bingo.


21 posted on 12/18/2010 3:50:46 PM PST by MSF BU (YR'S Please Support our troops: JOIN THEM!)
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To: GeronL

“They really heard nothing on election day.”

Oh I think they heard us alright. They just plain out don’t give a damn.


22 posted on 12/18/2010 3:51:34 PM PST by Bluebeard16
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To: Brices Crossroads

I predict Senatewhore Brown will come out of the closet and run as a dem-o-rat.


23 posted on 12/18/2010 3:52:02 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: SE Mom

Can someone point to the repeal language that would cause this to happen? Merely backing out DADT clauses would not suffice.


24 posted on 12/18/2010 3:52:21 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Brices Crossroads; surroundedbyblue; shurwouldluv_a_smallergov; Judith Anne; rkjohn; PadreL; ...
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Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of general interest.

25 posted on 12/18/2010 3:53:14 PM PST by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: PeteB570

“Thats it for me - I’ll vote for the D in 2016.”

Instead, why not recruit a primary challenger and get rid of him. North Carlina used to produce the likes of John East And Jesse Helms. It can do a lot better than Burr.

Let Burr hear from you. Make him afraid to betray us next time.


26 posted on 12/18/2010 3:53:24 PM PST by Brices Crossroads
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To: Brices Crossroads
These 8 took the advice to run up the white flag on social issues.

Then the democrats (with their help) shoved it right up America's back side.

Nice flag waving guys.........you're all so, so.........liked by the MSM now (for a week).

27 posted on 12/18/2010 3:54:10 PM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Brices Crossroads

A further prediction: within 6 months, a male homo will demand a sex change at taxpayer expense, and be assigned to one of the female military units.


28 posted on 12/18/2010 3:55:16 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: GenXteacher

I am beyond disappointed in John Ensign.

I think he is up for re-election in 2012 & NOW I will be working against him. Was on the fence until now.
This cuts me loose from any support for him.


29 posted on 12/18/2010 3:55:34 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: La Enchiladita

Unreal, isn’t it? I suppose now that the Congress has stuck it to the American people, we’ll be seeing more about his gayness in the “media”. Stories about how the military was punishing him/her/it only because he’s a homosexual. I already saw one commie lib article saying that his gayness was being “tortured” by the Army. Geeesh! The definition of torture sure has gone downhill. Now, if you look at somebody cross-eyed, it’s “torture”.


30 posted on 12/18/2010 3:56:20 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Merry Christmas to all of my FReeper FRiends!)
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To: Lakeshark

Burr is not just a knave for doing this. He is a political fool as well. He had zero to gain in North Carolina by doing this. Even Lindsey Graham voted against it.

I thought this guy was a conservative.


31 posted on 12/18/2010 3:57:13 PM PST by Brices Crossroads
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To: Brices Crossroads
Too bad no one challenged Burr this year. We have to wait six long years to get rid of him.

The debates between Burr and Marshall were interesting in that they chose two different methods of portraying the same stance on most issues.
32 posted on 12/18/2010 3:57:30 PM PST by Renderofveils (My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, soft music. - Nabokov)
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To: ridesthemiles
I am beyond disappointed in John Ensign.

Same here.

What was he thinking?

33 posted on 12/18/2010 3:57:51 PM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: SubMareener

Somewhere I have book written in the ‘70’s. It was called “KGB.”

It was an extremely detailed, comprehensive look into the mindset of the recruiters for that organization.

One of the first “weaknesses to be exploited” was whether or not the targeted recruit was homosexual. They went on to explain how the emotional roller coasters that the average homosexual experienced in their lives, (even those who where ‘out’)could be a valuable asset in recruitment.

This whole wiki leaks thingee only proves the point.

I’ll root through my piled up book case with 30 something years of paper, and see if I can find it. Very good reading, even today.


34 posted on 12/18/2010 3:57:51 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat
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To: ridesthemiles

“I am beyond disappointed in John Ensign.”

Ensign is overripe for a primary challenge. How about Sharron Angle? or Tarkanian?


35 posted on 12/18/2010 3:58:43 PM PST by Brices Crossroads
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To: ridesthemiles
I am beyond disappointed in John Ensign.

You know, with all the crazy stuff that has gone on in his personal life, one has to wonder about the possibility of blackmail.

36 posted on 12/18/2010 4:00:49 PM PST by Walts Ice Pick
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To: Brices Crossroads

“.....with the closeted gay members of Congress, like Aaron Schock, Lindsey Graham, or Mark Kirk. ...”

HillBuzz December 18, 2010
http://hillbuzz.org/2010/12/18/the-cost-effectiveness-of-repealing-dadt-and-acknowledging-the-reality-that-there-are-already-many-many-gay-service-men-and-women-in-the-military/


37 posted on 12/18/2010 4:04:05 PM PST by Matchett-PI (Trent Lott on Tea Party candidates: "As soon as they get here, we need to co-opt them" 7/19/10)
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To: Brices Crossroads

Restoring the Republic is a work in progress. We made a great start in 2010. The work continues into 2012 and beyond.


38 posted on 12/18/2010 4:05:51 PM PST by FrdmLvr (Death to tyrants)
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To: Brices Crossroads

“Another surprise of the day was Kirk, who was just elected to the Senate.”

Surprise to who? I fully expected Kirk to support repeal, regardless of what he was or was not publicly saying. Kirk is, and will continue to be, a very liberal Republican.

Sometimes a “half a loaf” candidate is the best one can hope for. But I suspect, when all is said and done, Kirk is not so much half a loaf than “that last end slice of the loaf that you really didn’t want to eat but did anyway because you didn’t have anything else to spread your peanut butter and jelly on” Republican.


39 posted on 12/18/2010 4:07:31 PM PST by DemforBush (I got three passports, a couple of visas. You don't even know my real name..)
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To: DemforBush

Kirk is next to useless IMHO.


40 posted on 12/18/2010 4:09:35 PM PST by Brices Crossroads
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To: Brices Crossroads

Get ready to see male soldiers holding hands, cupping buttocks, kissing, etc...in uniform.

Get ready to see gay, pink shorts wearing and hair-ribboned loved ones welcoming their soldiers back.

And all of this will lead to a ban on any type of display of affection...which will lead to open acrimony, etc.

Don’t even want to think about the lawsuits and assaults resulting from soldiers (both straight & gay) serving in the foxholes of Afghanistan and elsewhere.

Satan must be throwing a party tonight.


41 posted on 12/18/2010 4:10:41 PM PST by papasmurf (sudo apt-get install Lee Atwater)
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To: Brices Crossroads

If these eight douchebag politicians didn’t vote yes for this would this have passed?

Also, ask yourselves. Around the world, in all militaries, do you think that Russia has a homo brigade. China, Iran any muslim nation for that matter, again, do they have homos serving openly in there militaries?


42 posted on 12/18/2010 4:10:42 PM PST by rambo316 (Rush is Right, Odumbo is an Imposter.)
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To: rambo316

“If these eight douchebag politicians didn’t vote yes for this would this have passed?

Also, ask yourselves. Around the world, in all militaries, do you think that Russia has a homo brigade. China, Iran any muslim nation for that matter, again, do they have homos serving openly in there militaries?”

Answer: No great Military power such as Russia or China (who are potential adversaries of ours) allow this. Only “has been” powers like Britain and France and Germany and of course “never were” powers like Sweden and Norway and mighty Luxembourg.


43 posted on 12/18/2010 4:13:50 PM PST by Brices Crossroads
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To: Brices Crossroads

I’m pretty much in agreement. He’s certainly not going to support conservatives on social issues or the Second Amendment. And I doubt he’s going to be very reliable on economic matters. IIRC, he’s all for cap and trade (might be wrong on that, though).


44 posted on 12/18/2010 4:16:10 PM PST by DemforBush (I got three passports, a couple of visas. You don't even know my real name..)
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To: Brices Crossroads

My family were HUGE supporters of Sharron Angle. Unfortunately, Dingy Harry really did a job on her in Nevada. I doubt her image can be repaired. Too bad. Disgustedw/EnsignInReno.


45 posted on 12/18/2010 4:18:43 PM PST by sjneuf
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To: ridesthemiles

Consider this...what is the status of the investigations into Ensign? Is this perhaps part of the deal to end the investigation?


46 posted on 12/18/2010 4:18:55 PM PST by ruralvoter
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To: GeronL

Most conservatives are opposed to repeal of DADT, but it was hardly the “message” on election day.

That was the whole point of waiting until the lame duck to vote on it — to keep it out of the discussion in November.


47 posted on 12/18/2010 4:22:25 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Brices Crossroads
based on all of the experts who have looked at this, this is something that should be done

All the experts ... are LIARS. Just primary these RINOs into the dustbin of history.

48 posted on 12/18/2010 4:23:08 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bailout)
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To: Brices Crossroads

What would be fitting is for harry and barney to be interred together, horizontal and superimposed, for all eternity in a frozen graveyard in siberia.


49 posted on 12/18/2010 4:23:08 PM PST by mapmaker77
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To: papasmurf
And all of this will lead to a ban on any type of display of affection...which will lead to open acrimony, etc. Don’t even want to think about the lawsuits and assaults resulting from soldiers (both straight & gay) serving in the foxholes of Afghanistan and elsewhere.

All of which is designed to happen to destroy our military. The libs hate real soldiers and are afraid of them. This is the libs way of destroying something through social experimentation instead of legislation.

50 posted on 12/18/2010 4:23:44 PM PST by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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