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Eight Republicans back ‘Don’t ask’ repeal (including Burr from NC!)
Politico ^ | 12/18/2010 | SHIRA TOEPLITZ

Posted on 12/18/2010 3:34:32 PM PST by Brices Crossroads

Eight Republicans bucked their party in backing the repeal of the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell" policy, potentially risking a backlash from the conservative base while giving the historic vote a stronger bipartisan finish than many expected.

The Republican senators voting “yes” with the Democrats on repeal were Richard Burr of North Carolina, Mark Kirk of Illinois, John Ensign of Nevada, Scott Brown of Massachusetts, George Voinovich of Ohio, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska – and Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins, both of Maine.

Burr, Ensign and Kirk did not announce their support for repeal before the Saturday vote. Burr and Ensign initially sided with Republicans in a procedural vote to bring the measure to the floor; they voted for repeal on the final vote.

But while Kirk and Ensign had previously indicated they were open to voting for repeal, Burr’s vote came as a surprise even to the sponsors of the legislation. Collins, who led the charge for repeal in the Senate with Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman, said she lobbied every other GOP senator who voted for repeal, except for the North Carolina Republican.

“I was confident going into the vote today that we had six to seven votes. I didn't not expect eight,” said Collins. “I was delighted but surprised with the vote from Sen. Burr. I think that was a gutsy vote and I was delighted. But he was not someone who I thought to lobby on the issue.”

Burr explained his reasoning to reporters after final passage.

“It's just that we’ve had a generational change and I have vehemently objected to making a policy change of this magnitude at this time. When cloture was passed, that settled that,” Burr said. “It’s not accepted practice anywhere in our society, and it only makes sense. But again, I was vehemently opposed to the timing of this.”

Another surprise of the day was Kirk, who was just elected to the Senate. As late as Thursday, the newly elected GOP senator told reporters that he was undecided and still combing through the long report from the Joint Chiefs of Staff on the issue.

Yet, in a 400-word statement released after the vote, Kirk explained in detail why he voted for the repeal of the policy.

“Following their exhaustive and considered military judgment, I support the Joint Chief's recommendation to implement the repeal of the current policy once the battle effectiveness of the forces is certified and proper preparations are complete,” said Kirk. “The legislation before us provides our military leaders with the time they requested to change the policy.”

Known for his moderate voting record as a congressman from the northern Chicago suburbs, Kirk was elected in the typically Democratic state of Illinois last November and was sworn into the Senate just three weeks ago.

But since arriving in Washington, Kirk has stood firmly with Senate Republicans. He was vocal in his opposition to the Democrat-backed $1.1 trillion omnibus spending bill, which Majority Leader Harry Reid yanked, voted against the defense reauthorization act that including the repeal of ‘don’t ask, don’t tell,’ and voted against the DREAM Act earlier Saturday.

Two of the Republicans — Brown and Snowe — are up for reelection in 2012.

“The vote speaks for itself,” Brown told POLITICO, before an aide added that he had explained his position in prior published statements and the elevator doors closed.

Voinovich, who is retiring at the end of this Congress, told reporters that he was “convinced, based on all of the experts who have looked at this, this is something that should be done.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1210/46578.html#ixzz18VZMt3Em


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: 2012; dadt; dontaskdonttell; gop; moralabsolutes; rinos
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To: ruralvoter
Sen. John Ensign says he’ll not face federal charges from a Justice Department investigation into his extramarital affair with a former campaign staffer, a surprising announcement that may have a big impact on his 2012 reelection prospects. Ensign is still being investigated by the Senate Ethics Committee over his affair with Cindy Hampton, his former campaign treasurer. Doug Hampton, her husband, was serving as Ensign’s deputy chief of staff when the affair began. Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1210/45815.html#ixzz18VmGZZdAhttp://www.politico.com/news/stories/1210/45815.html
51 posted on 12/18/2010 4:24:07 PM PST by sjneuf
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To: Brices Crossroads

All this bull$hit is being pushed by those powers to destroy us. Same with the enviromental Bull$hit. In no other country, do they allow or have enviromental wackos dictating what they do as nations. My fellow Americans we have got to stop this because we are going to be done as a country, if not already. These are all useful idiots perpetrated on us by moscow.


52 posted on 12/18/2010 4:28:49 PM PST by rambo316 (Rush is Right, Odumbo is an Imposter.)
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To: dynachrome

“A further prediction: within 6 months, a male homo will demand a sex change at taxpayer expense, and be assigned to one of the female military units.”

Interesting. . and all in the interest of diversity. IF a “gay” person had REALLY wanted to lay their life on the line for their country, they COULD have. No one was stopping them. Maybe some have over the decades; who knows. My Dad, who was an infantry soldier in the Army during WWII said that flaming homosexuals washed out in basic training; and any who might have gone through undetected would have just served and staying alive in that hell would have taken up all their time and energy.

The social experimentation they’ve done as regards women being so close to combat has not been an enhancement. A former officer told me that his outfit would get an order to “bug out”, but the women under his command couldn’t do the heavy lifting to bug out - so, they just simply didn’t bug out. Just defining standards down; that’s the liberal way to make everybody “equal”.


53 posted on 12/18/2010 4:31:18 PM PST by Twinkie (Doing nothing is the most tiring job there is; you can't quit and rest . .)
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To: ridesthemiles

Yup, John Ensign of Nevada is up for reelection in 2012.


54 posted on 12/18/2010 4:32:00 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Brices Crossroads

All of our enemies are phucking laughing at us right now people, we are laughing stocks of the world. We have been totally infiltrated with useful idiots. They are guarding the asylum now.


55 posted on 12/18/2010 4:34:39 PM PST by rambo316 (Rush is Right, Odumbo is an Imposter.)
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To: Brices Crossroads

Poor Buck, he lives next door to a gay married couple in Santa Clarita.
They always talk shit about him and his wife, it’s sad that tolerance only seems to be a one way street with them.
We were very good friends with the two women, one we’ve known for twenty years. We attended their wedding when California legalized gay marriage and we could hardly stomach it. It was more a gay pride celebration than a so called wedding. My wife and I left early and I’ll never forget how unfriendly all their gay friends were toward us, I think that’s the most uncomfortable I’ve ever been.


56 posted on 12/18/2010 4:37:24 PM PST by StayoutdaBushesWay (Why Johnny Ringo, you look like someone just walked over your grave!)
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To: Brices Crossroads

Pity, I had some hopes for Dickie Burr.

Ah well, have 6 yrs to kick the heck out of him to EVERYONE who brings up anything NC politics wise.


57 posted on 12/18/2010 4:40:00 PM PST by padre35 (You shall not ignore the laws of God, the Market, the Jungle, and Reciprocity Rm10.10)
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To: GenXteacher

Voinovich was “convinced, based on all of the experts who have looked at this, this is something that should be done.”
I agree, based on all the experts (voters) something should be done: The GOP should be buried in its own sewage and real Patriots elected who still have moral courage.


58 posted on 12/18/2010 4:49:13 PM PST by Conservative9
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To: Brices Crossroads

Burr, old boy, you just betrayed a LOT of people back home that just voted for you. That takes SOME chutzpah. Enjoy this six years. They’ll be your last.


59 posted on 12/18/2010 4:58:06 PM PST by patriot preacher
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To: Brices Crossroads; All
And Kirk was scratching his head wondering why Sarah Palin didn't want anything to do with him...

Mark Kirk: How can I get Sarah Palin to like me?

Sarah Palin's coming to town, but not for Kirk

60 posted on 12/18/2010 5:02:26 PM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: Brices Crossroads

OMG! Burr voted yes on this?????? I feel sick!


61 posted on 12/18/2010 5:03:25 PM PST by cblue55 (Envisioning when all that is left is the right.)
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To: Brices Crossroads

OMG! Burr voted yes on this?????? I feel sick!


62 posted on 12/18/2010 5:03:31 PM PST by cblue55 (Envisioning when all that is left is the right.)
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To: Brices Crossroads

I wish someone could explain to me why,in the military, it is now okay for gay men to sleep and shower with men, but it’s not okay for men and women to sleep and shower together.


63 posted on 12/18/2010 5:22:25 PM PST by jonathonandjennifer
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To: dynachrome

You might be right on Brown. I wish I could say I was
appalled, but nowadays I expect the worse. BTW there
were a number of Republican no-shows, Hatch among them.


64 posted on 12/18/2010 5:27:49 PM PST by cycjec
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To: Brices Crossroads

New slogans for the military:

Airforce: “Aim bi-”

Navy: “Its not a career, its a lifestyle”

Marines: “The few, the proud, the gay marines”

And, to finish it off,

Navy: “Where we can all be rear admiral”


65 posted on 12/18/2010 5:36:17 PM PST by bone52
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To: nonliberal

Is Kirk not up for re-election in ‘12?


66 posted on 12/18/2010 5:39:31 PM PST by depressed in 06 (The only thing the ZerO administration is competent at is bad ideas.)
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To: jonathonandjennifer

Just wouldn’t be perverted enough. 0 wants to destroy our military
and the clueless Republicans that helped think they’re doing the gays a favor, I guess.

When we no longer have a reliable military it will be too late.

It’s the 0 regime plan. Reduce our military to ladies and delete our weapons but let other countries have all the fire power/nukes they want.

How transparent is that for crying out loud?

BTW...WHERE’S OUR DAMN BORDER SECURITY? We’re being taken over by drug gangs and the leftist could care less.


67 posted on 12/18/2010 5:44:42 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (demonicRATS= Obama's Mosque, taxes, painful death. Is this what you want?)
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To: Brices Crossroads

New here. Really sickened that they overturned the ban & how they did it. I am 27 yr vet, and have son in Air Force Basic right now. Angry at myself for just standing by watching all this. Can’t even discuss Liberals civilily right now. Know we have got to fight back, but effectively. Where to start ???????????????


68 posted on 12/18/2010 5:52:50 PM PST by Tom888
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To: Brices Crossroads

The people who supported Brown in Massachusetts will lose interest. MA will go back to the Dems. It may be the only seat to switch hands in 2012.


69 posted on 12/18/2010 5:58:12 PM PST by Defiant (There is no line on the march towards marxism that Democrats won't cross. Democrat=CPUSA)
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To: Brices Crossroads

Gads I didn’t know we had so many ac/dc elected members in the Republican congress. I thought they belonged to the gang of barney fag and his ilk in the demcrat party. I’ve been living under a silver cloud...darn!


70 posted on 12/18/2010 6:07:23 PM PST by tillacum
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To: SubMareener

Yeah, sure.


71 posted on 12/18/2010 6:08:32 PM PST by tillacum
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To: Brices Crossroads
Great!!..Unisex bathrooms, gyms and showers in Washington!...Cut expenses right in 1/2!
72 posted on 12/18/2010 6:15:23 PM PST by M-cubed
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To: Brices Crossroads

Any wonder that it was the usual suspect RINOS voting for this atrocity? All of them must be replaced.


73 posted on 12/18/2010 6:18:07 PM PST by eaglesiniowa ((Hope is not a course of action))
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To: Brices Crossroads
Congress needs to consult George Washington"

March 14, 1778; General Orders

At a General Court Martial whereof Colo. Tupper was President (10th March 1778), Lieutt. Enslin of Colo. Malcom's Regiment [was] tried for attempting to commit sodomy, with John Monhort a soldier; Secondly, For Perjury in swearing to false accounts, [he was] found guilty of the charges exhibited against him, being breaches of 5th. Article 18th. Section of the Articles of War and [we] do sentence him to be dismiss'd [from] the service with infamy. His Excellency the Commander in Chief approves the sentence and with abhorrence and detestation of such infamous crimes orders Lieutt. Enslin to be drummed out of camp tomorrow morning by all the drummers and fifers in the Army never to return; The drummers and fifers [are] to attend on the Grand Parade at Guard mounting for that Purpose.

General Washington held a clear understanding of the rules for order and discipline, and as the original Commander-in-Chief, he was the first not only to forbid, but even to punish, homosexuals in the military. An edict issued by the Continental Congress communicates the moral tone which lay at the base of Washington's actions:

The Commanders of . . . the thirteen United Colonies are strictly required to show in themselves a good example of honor and virtue to their officers and men and to be very vigilant in inspecting the behavior of all such as are under them, and to discountenance and suppress all dissolute, immoral, and disorderly practices, and also such as are contrary to the rules of discipline and obedience, and to correct those who are guilty of the same.

74 posted on 12/18/2010 6:20:30 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Brices Crossroads

Give it 2-3 years - they will have PINK TANKS!!! Believe it! Wait till the Army has Gay Pride day!


75 posted on 12/18/2010 6:29:06 PM PST by 2harddrive
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To: ThePatriotsFlag

A rainbow flag motif for service ribbons.


76 posted on 12/18/2010 6:36:08 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Brices Crossroads

It is my firm opinion that each and every one of the so called Republicans= Senators be forced (yes, I said forced) to experience a sodomy episode several times over. If they really enjoyed it, then their vote was valid. I think Snowe, Murkowski and that other Senator broad from Maine has been getting it for years.

Yes, I am a retired military man and am glad I don’t have to put with this sh!t anymore.

I also hope that the Military Medical Family is geared up financially and equipment wise to handle the flood of HIV and AIDS that will follow. Oh yes, I forgot lacerated rectums too.


77 posted on 12/18/2010 6:51:35 PM PST by supermop (Somebody has to clean up the mess he will leave)
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To: Tom888

“Can’t even discuss Liberals civilily right now. Know we have got to fight back, but effectively. Where to start ???????????????”

Sorry that your son is going to have to endure this nonsense. This policy is designed to drive good patriotic Americans out of the Armed Forces. The people who pushed repeal of DADT are beneath contempt.

I think the best approach is to pressure the incoming GOP House majority to hold hearings on this and to call as witnesses all the active duty personnel who can testify to how odious this policy has been.

Make sure the hearings and all the evidence against it get huge publicity in flyover country. Ram a repeal through he House and then put pressure on the Senate, starting withthe ones who are up in 2012.

In post 17, I give some of the contact info, including the new Chairman of the Armed Services Committee, Howard Buck McKeon of California.


78 posted on 12/18/2010 6:55:19 PM PST by Brices Crossroads
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To: Brices Crossroads

I don’t care why they voted to allow queers to openly be in the military.

They are the scum of the earth.


79 posted on 12/18/2010 6:55:41 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Brices Crossroads

It’s funny 2% homosexuals in the country and 67 of them are in the Senate.


80 posted on 12/18/2010 6:56:49 PM PST by Venturer
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To: originalbuckeye

“Why was Kirk a surprise??? He’s gay.”

Right you are.

Kirk was a Naval Intelligence Officer.

Now we can ask; now he can tell.


81 posted on 12/18/2010 7:02:08 PM PST by Stosh
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To: Venturer

I think the Senate isn’t as running scared with the results of the last election as is the House of Reps. Most think they are safe seats with the reelection of Ole Harry, Boxer, Murray, Murkowski, etc. They all have the “it’s my seat” mentality. Not surprised that Snowe led the R campaign with Lieberman, she worships the guy, does whatever he tells her to do.


82 posted on 12/18/2010 7:05:16 PM PST by Sammie42
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To: Sammie42

I agree these worthless Senators are living in denial. We will kick their asses out in the primaries. I will take a Dem any day over an untrustworthy liberal Republican. We will take more scalps in the 2012 primaries.


83 posted on 12/18/2010 7:17:48 PM PST by ilgipper
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To: ilgipper

well I can’t agree with you on taking a Democrat over any Republican. Whether we like it or not, numbers do count with committee selections, chairmanships, etc. But, then I will never vote for a Dem for any reason. We need to work harder to elect more true conservatives. It will take time and we do have a good start. I am sick of the word RINO tagged on any R that we don’t agree with. Lots of issues to consider instead of vowing to vote for any Democrat


84 posted on 12/18/2010 7:22:39 PM PST by Sammie42
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To: Brices Crossroads

I miss Jesse Helms ! I like how e really pissed off the liberals and stood his ground on things. He also despised the UN globalists as well.

> Instead, why not recruit a primary challenger and get rid of him. North Carlina used to produce the likes of John East And Jesse Helms. It can do a lot better than Burr.


85 posted on 12/18/2010 7:27:56 PM PST by CORedneck
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To: GenXteacher

Burr was just re-elected


86 posted on 12/18/2010 7:29:18 PM PST by Perdogg (What Would Aqua Buddha do?)
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To: Brices Crossroads

We need to burn those names into the record, I`d with hold my vote for any Republicrat who voted for this crap.Vote against him in the primary and (assuming he won) not vote for him in that election in the general. We need to cleanse that stinking party or start a third. NO MORE LESSER OF TWO EVILS!


87 posted on 12/18/2010 7:33:51 PM PST by nomad
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To: Brices Crossroads

OK. Been thinking too. Main thing is not to give in & give up.

Thanks for contact info. I would love to see or make expanded contact list to express opinion to leadership in Republican Party. Each can contact their own state reps as well.

I think getting our own house in order is a priority. House divided against itself...

Not Saying Republican Party is perfect, but it seems only viable option at this time.

No sense going into a fight having to worry about your back.

Can a Senator be kicked out of the Republican Party ?


88 posted on 12/18/2010 7:34:47 PM PST by Tom888
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To: depressed in 06

No I believe he will be Senator until 2017.


89 posted on 12/18/2010 7:35:18 PM PST by Perdogg (What Would Aqua Buddha do?)
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To: Brices Crossroads

GRRRRR! I voted for Burr this time. NO MORE. I am DONE with him. I will CONTRIBUTE to his opponent’s campaign in ‘16.


90 posted on 12/18/2010 7:54:14 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (Onward to the battle royal!)
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To: Brices Crossroads

I would begin in the states and repeal “gay marriage” law where ever such laws exist to make “gay marriage” legal. At the federal level I would like to see all laws that protect sodomy repealed. And all laws prohibiting religious expression, where ever, repealed too.


91 posted on 12/18/2010 7:56:46 PM PST by jpsb
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To: FlingWingFlyer
I think the “gay” RINOs have all come out of the closet.

I think so too.

92 posted on 12/18/2010 8:14:54 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: eaglesiniowa

“Any wonder that it was the usual suspect RINOS voting for this atrocity? All of them must be replaced.”

Toomey also said he would have voted YES. It’ll take 6 years to get rid of Toomey and Kirk.


93 posted on 12/18/2010 9:16:17 PM PST by nbenyo
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To: depressed in 06

Not sure about Kirk.


94 posted on 12/19/2010 4:38:37 AM PST by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: Perdogg

“Burr was just re-elected”
Well, that just means plenty of time to get a primary challenge started, doesn’t it?


95 posted on 12/19/2010 5:25:47 AM PST by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: originalbuckeye
Why was Kirk a surprise??? He’s gay.

He denied it but I see Leftist activists tried to paint him as gay during the year. I wonder if the claims had an effect on his vote.

96 posted on 12/19/2010 9:50:49 AM PST by newzjunkey
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To: originalbuckeye
Why was Kirk a surprise??? He’s gay.

He denied it but I see Leftist activists tried to paint him as gay during the year. I wonder if the claims had an effect on his vote.

97 posted on 12/19/2010 9:50:57 AM PST by newzjunkey
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To: originalbuckeye
Why was Kirk a surprise??? He’s gay.

He denied it but I see Leftist activists tried to paint him as gay during the year. I wonder if the claims had an effect on his vote.

98 posted on 12/19/2010 9:51:04 AM PST by newzjunkey
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