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Obama's New 'Gay' Force
Townhall ^ | December 19, 2010 | Kevin McCullough

Posted on 12/18/2010 10:33:06 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

With the passage of the law to repeal the Clinton-era legislation commonly referred to as "Don't Ask, Don't Tell," President Obama enters into a new reality. In one last blaze of defiance of the American people, and expressly those who serve in our nation's armed forces, President Obama was able to shove social engineering into pretty much the very corner of American culture where we have no business doing so.

Upon his signature President Obama will begin a process that will at the very least disrupt operations, and at the very worst see the eventual weakening of our armed forces.

Throughout the entirety of this debate I've had questions, none of which seemed to be answered or even asked in the congressional sessions dealing with the matter.

From a purely pragmatic standpoint perhaps someone could answer them now, since I'm especially sure that President Obama wouldn't push for such a fundamental transformation of our military without good answers to them.

1. What happens to housing, on base and in theater?

If it is morally questionable to have men and women housed together because of the sexual tension that exists between primarily men who would be predatorily interested in the women they might shower with or frequently be seen in the act of dressing and undressing on a regular basis, why is it any different if you have identified the predatory homosexual male who might have an unrequited "thing" for a fellow service member? If it is proper to keep men and women housed separately do we now go to four sets of housing. Men who don't engage in homosexual activity, Men who do, Women who don't, Women who do? Practically speaking Mr. President how do you get past the fundamental sexual tension that will be present the minute some make it known?

2. Do you expect the military system or the civilian courts to deal with the influx of phony sexual harassment cases to follow?

Consider this issue a prediction of sorts, but take it to the bank that those who engage in open homosexuality will feel the freedom if not the need begin to portray themselves as victims of harassment pretty much anytime something doesn't go their way. And it may not require anything all that severe to trigger it. A drill instructor gets a little too rough in his language while trying to beat the "sissy" out of a recruit in basic training or Officer Candidate School and the backlog will commence.

3. Will base commanders be required to host "pride" events that allow for similar conduct to the x-rated displays that go on in the nation's cities each year?

There was much discussion in the Senate and House hearings about the issue of morale, the breakdown of structure, the significance of discipline and the ability to command respect and a readied force. Nothing related to any "pride" event ever held comes close to anything resembling respect, discipline, or structure. There is a reason our best volunteer to serve their nation, and it has nothing to do with speedos, bump or grind.

4. Will all other sexual conduct be made legal as well?

It is still a crime to commit adultery in active military duty, and even more so for officers. How can you possibly be allowing for the flamboyancy of effeminate male soldiers to engage in sexual conduct and their notorious ever wandering lust for the new on one hand, and hold court martial for those who have discreetly hidden their sexual escapades while destroying their families?

There are many legitimate reasons why the military is not the place to run experiments on the restructuring of the society at large.

For the leftist idiots who will scream the meme that, "every other nation on the planet already does it," shut up!

None of those military forces are the United States Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marines.

I know the progressive elites in the nation awake this morning feeling better about what has been done to the U.S. Military in this vote. I know this President has never served and likely barely knows anyone who has. I know that the godless in our nation think this is all a tremendous step forward.

In the hundreds of conversations I've had with those that serve in our nation's armed forces, from Naval F-18 aviators to Army Rangers, Marine specialists to Air Force pilots of B2 stealth bombers, C130s, and military drones, the view of the military is clear. They serve to focus on the mission at hand, not because they may or may not display pictures of their romantic interests in the living quarters.

I know that our military has been the best in the world, and that they deserved to be listened to when they spoke clearly from the four branches to the President. The head of each branch clearly made the case for not allowing the military to become a place where the focus of our troops was placed on when and how they can have sex, instead of achieving their mission.

But now that reality has been thrust upon us. It is a focus of magnificent distraction, and in terms of operational priorities it is of miniscule importance.

It was President Obama's doing, and the results that follow will be laid at his feet.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bho44; congress; dadt; democrats; homosexualagenda; homosexuals; military; obama
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To: FreedBird; gareththomasnz
Obama can promote some gays to be in charge and they can promote more gays to dictate the gay agenda.

Homosexuals have been doing that on their own, without Obama, forever. Disney's animation studio was a closed gay shop as long ago as the 1950's -- do you think any talented heterosexual animators might have been denied a career, possibly? Theater's been closed to all but "gay-friendly" heterosexuals since ..... well, for a hell of a long time. The 60's, maybe. Maybe longer. How many heterosexual music men, how many Jimmy Cagneys, got shut out by the likes of Tommy Tune and Bob Fosse?

Gays are a faction. They'll behave selfishly and viciously toward others everywhere they can get away with it, because that's what factions do.

151 posted on 12/19/2010 1:43:36 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2644899/posts

A Gay Commander in Chief: Ready or Not?
The New York Times ^ | 18 Dec 2010 | MAUREEN DOWD

In this poem published in the New York Times, BO describes his Gay Sex with Frank Marshall Davis.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/18/us/politics/18poems.html

POP, a Poem by Barack Obama

Pop takes another shot, neat,
Points out the same amber
Stain on his shorts that I’ve got on mine, and
Makes me smell his smell, coming
From me


152 posted on 12/19/2010 1:52:48 PM PST by FS11
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To: Semper911
To conduct manufacturing on a massive scale (like we did during WWII and like China does now) a country needs cheap labor

If that were true, German car production should have ceased in the 1960's.

Labor's problem is slave labor and captive labor (no way out) undercutting wages. As long as the Chinese use prison slave-labor and people like Carlos Slim in Mexico can use political clout to hold down Mexican wages -- the old Spanish Empire wealth-building formula, with all the social problems described by Juan and Ulloa in the 18th century in their report to the King -- then labor-market poachers like Mexico and China will always be a problem for anyone who wants to live better than a Mexican campesino in his dirt-floor cinderblock casa.

(By the way, I wasn't kidding about the dirt floor. Business Week did a cover article on Mexican manufacturing and offshoring by e.g. Ford in 1994 or 1995. They found a Mexican welder living in a shack like that with his pregnant wife, two kids, and mother-in-law, and the guy was welding for Ford for $75/week. His "benefits" were taco lunch and car fare to work.)

153 posted on 12/19/2010 2:09:51 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: calex59

We had a warrant Officer overseas who showed the signs of an alternative lifestyle who started giving another soldier in our section all kinds of “good duties” and good duty locations to boot because we were pretty sure he had the hots for him. We all had our suspicions but that is as far as it went. Those of us who wouldn’t “work late” with him on his special projects were deemed non-team players and given less coveted duties.
This will be a huge problem within the ranks and not just that but the flagrant abuse of the EO complaint system when an “alternative” soldier doesn’t get his/her way will abound as it does now with just a male and female scenario.


154 posted on 12/19/2010 2:16:54 PM PST by killermedic (Git some, baby)
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To: itsahoot
Anyone know if this would apply to State National Guard? Might be an out, if the States pick up the Patriots, and they should be thinking about that very thing. May have to call them something else, like State Marshals.

Those brave men and women, must have a place to defend our Constitution. Maybe it is only the beginning, God help us.


Either that or the unorganized militias. BTW, being a fan of "alternate history," I read the comic art story of "Roswell, Texas" about an independent Texas dealing with the crash at Roswell in 1947, a part of Texas. There was a pilot who flew a jet with the "Texas Air Militia" named Gene Roddenberry. Still, I kind of like the sound of that, "Texas Air Militia."
155 posted on 12/19/2010 2:39:33 PM PST by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: devolve

NOT Photoshopped !!!!


156 posted on 12/19/2010 2:46:18 PM PST by Einherjar
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To: Jumper

All I can say is you bring up a lot of really good points that I’m sure few in Congress closely considered in all of this.


157 posted on 12/19/2010 2:51:50 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est.)
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To: CRBDeuce

Well played.

There is just so much material here for any comedian who had just a bits of balls.


158 posted on 12/19/2010 3:10:29 PM PST by bone52
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To: devolve

Lol, never gets old. I was just reading old threads about him on theregulator.net. Wonder where he is now?


159 posted on 12/19/2010 3:18:45 PM PST by potlatch ( Life must be lived forward but can only be seen looking backward. - Soren Kierkegaard)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
...those who engage in open homosexuality will feel the freedom if not the need begin to portray themselves as victims of harassment pretty much anytime something doesn't go their way. And it may not require anything all that severe to trigger it. A drill instructor gets a little too rough in his language while trying to beat the "sissy" out of a recruit in basic training or Officer Candidate School and the backlog will commence.

Yes, military courts will be overwhelmed. Those with thin skins will intimidate and win.

The price of running the military will go waaaaay up - quality : down.

BUT on the lighter brighter side, liberals everywhere get to feel superior and smug... and doesn't that make it all worth while?

160 posted on 12/19/2010 3:29:55 PM PST by GOPJ (Best App for 'the world" : http://www.questvisual.com/)
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To: NavVet

Bingo. In the Army it was folks who had just received their language training and preferred to work for Exxon then the military. It would be interesting to track these people and see how many are married with children now.


161 posted on 12/19/2010 4:57:12 PM PST by MSF BU (YR'S Please Support our troops: JOIN THEM!)
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To: Global2010
Someday a very open Gay man

I do not do leftist -can you explain the terminology? Do you mean a man with a 10 cm dilated sphincter?

162 posted on 12/19/2010 6:30:13 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: Jumper
I am curious where many FISCAL conservative's stand on the Entitlements the State Department is throwing money at to allow FSOs to have lovers live in hosing they are not occupying, or the fact that gays can now compete against wifes/husbands and they do complian through EEO when their lovers are not hired as the best qualified.....

I am sure that ALL do not like this policy premised handout by the leftists in power. It would be interesting if the numbers/dollars given out could be quantified and some news/media organizations would did and expose for all to see this corruption and theft...

163 posted on 12/19/2010 6:39:30 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: potlatch

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He is out the somewhere

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164 posted on 12/19/2010 7:18:12 PM PST by devolve (. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0ponzi Version 9.8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . .)
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To: devolve

Lol, you’ve probably run into him!


165 posted on 12/19/2010 7:26:30 PM PST by potlatch ( Life must be lived forward but can only be seen looking backward. - Soren Kierkegaard)
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To: potlatch

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It was really funny to see that Larry Sinclair chose one of my sensitive graphics to use at top of his website!

I am sure 0pansy and Meechelle appreciated that mucho.....

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166 posted on 12/19/2010 7:38:30 PM PST by devolve (. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0ponzi Version 9.8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . .)
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To: devolve

[It was really funny to see that Larry Sinclair chose one of my sensitive graphics to use at top of his website!]

Ummmmmmmmm........describe it devolve.......leaving something out??


167 posted on 12/19/2010 7:42:13 PM PST by potlatch ( Life must be lived forward but can only be seen looking backward. - Soren Kierkegaard)
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To: DBeers
Nor do I.

My communication skills are not always good.

Sorry I even tried.

I will leave it to others.

And FWIW I don't even think woman should be serving in the Military in positions traditionally held by men in combat.

Esp. Moms. But that is JMO.

There are plenty of jobs woman have traditionally done in the military.

And another point is as a Catholic I wish there was as much intolerance for slander and bashing Freepers that share my Faith here as for this subject matter.

I should hold my fingers back from the keyboard and just stick to the threads I come here to enjoy.

The bickering and accusations twisting posts around is not doing zip for those who claim to be all for the grassroots movement to keep this country Constitutionally rooted.

ANd I probably miscommunitcated that. But I will not argue those who misconceive my posts.

168 posted on 12/19/2010 7:48:53 PM PST by Global2010 (Pisces at hospites tribus diebus foetebunt.....)
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To: potlatch

169 posted on 12/19/2010 8:15:35 PM PST by devolve (. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0ponzi Version 9.8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . .)
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To: Global2010
Nor do I.

My communication skills are not always good.

My communication skills are as well not perfect ans it would appear in this case, by your response, the message I conveyed was heavy handed. I apologize for that.

What I was attempting to convey was that you were using the words the left have promoted and used to in essence pervert truth by dressing up evil with nice clothing e.g. wolves in sheeps clothing.

Using "their" terminology tends to reinforce the lies and distance one from the truth. e.g. choice sounds so much nicer than abortion and "gay" sounds so much nicer that person who is inclined to and or chooses to engage in homosexual sex.

Recently we see the repeal of the military "gay ban" which really was just legalizing homosexual sex in the military...

Anyway -my posting to you was an effort to get you to stop and think for a second about just what you were stating. That is all it was -it was not a personal attack upon you. Think of these terms as you might consider swearing or vulgarity -if you use certain words they become habitual and eventually you use them without thinking just what they mean and as well become desensitized to their effects. To break the habit you must stop and decide to consciously not use the offending words -in essence develop a new habit...

If I got you to stop and think THEN I was successful -if I offended you then I failed and apologize for that.

170 posted on 12/19/2010 8:18:49 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: devolve

Lol, cute, but not the Sinclair tin sign with the limo gif on top. You probably bought that one!


171 posted on 12/19/2010 8:18:59 PM PST by potlatch ( Life must be lived forward but can only be seen looking backward. - Soren Kierkegaard)
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To: 23 Everest

Prepare also for a new look in parades. “Stars and Stripes Forever” and “Semper Fidelis” will replaced by “YMCA” and “Tooti-Fruitie” as the troops prance merrily along.


172 posted on 12/19/2010 8:22:58 PM PST by liberalism is suicide (Communism,fascism-no matter how you slice socialism, its still baloney)
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To: potlatch

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LOL!

I like to make people search and find things for themselves

If and when they do - It is undeniable

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173 posted on 12/19/2010 8:40:33 PM PST by devolve (. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0ponzi Version 9.8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . .)
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To: devolve

Larry’s original page isn’t out there anymore. I wish I’d saved a screen capture of it. Maybe I did, will have to look.

The average person doesn’t go looking I think. I use Google many times a day.


174 posted on 12/19/2010 8:44:29 PM PST by potlatch ( Life must be lived forward but can only be seen looking backward. - Soren Kierkegaard)
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To: DBeers

Well glad we cleared that up.

I did use MSM language and I should have said “sodomite”.
I have a horrible habit of using the F word but every Lent I work on my cursing and it is getting better.

So much so that I offend myself when I do curse.

I do understand that others here don’t have an issue saying faggot and that is their right just as much as it is mine to say F em feed em Chuckles around the house.

My adult son heard so much of my sailor mouth growing up that he never cusses except in two instances where he called a couple of woman he felt had evil intentions “evil bitch”

Normally he says “witch”.

It’s a personal family thing the crude language breaking the habit.

I also think about the adversaries to FR who read crude remarks and go viral on the net to make this site appear to be something it is not.

Sigh So much has changed since 1998.


175 posted on 12/19/2010 9:00:18 PM PST by Global2010 (Pisces at hospites tribus diebus foetebunt.....)
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To: Global2010
Thank you for your reply. Again, my apologies.

It truly sucks this situation we are in now as a country -hopefully all will keep a cool head. I truly believe it is not a matter of IS but rather a matter of when can we turn this leftist assault back.

faith, patience & perseverance is what we need...

176 posted on 12/19/2010 10:16:40 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: DBeers

Amen.

Perservere!


177 posted on 12/20/2010 12:28:56 AM PST by Global2010 (Pisces at hospites tribus diebus foetebunt.....)
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To: pnh102

Westboro Baptist’s protests have an ulterior motive if they are indeed a leftist front group.

Maybe they are designed to pave the way for a “gay” military by uniting vets and soldiers with gay activists-liberals who show up to protest Westboro.

Otherwise, Westboro is just a bunch of insane wackos.


178 posted on 12/20/2010 12:35:33 AM PST by Nextrush (Slocialist Republicans and Socialist Democrats need to go)
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To: lbryce

It was humorous. Shocking, but humorous:) No aplolgy necessary


179 posted on 12/20/2010 12:51:02 AM PST by Sarajevo (You're jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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To: DBeers

Maybe the Heritate Foundation or WorldNetDaily will fill a Freedom of Information Request to get the Fiscal Data on what this is costing the Department of State, and to determine if it is an unfunded obligation.... And then maybe someone will be fined or forced to repay the government for this run-a-muck policy.


180 posted on 12/20/2010 1:48:25 AM PST by Jumper
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To: devistate one four

Single mom as in “never married”.


181 posted on 12/20/2010 2:52:22 AM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Question… Does this mean Obama, after apologizing and bowing to the world, striving to make friends with the enemy will now have to sign off allowing UCMJ sodomy rule change (sticking a male penis into another man’s butt) as being ‘acceptable/normal’?

All that friendship gesturing will then be for not, they will hate him more for it.


182 posted on 12/20/2010 4:27:46 AM PST by Java4Jay
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To: Nextrush
Westboro Baptist’s protests have an ulterior motive if they are indeed a leftist front group.

I see them more as an anti-Christian front group as opposed to a leftist front group. Nearly everything they do goes against the teachings of Jesus, and most people who have even a cursory working knowledge of those teachings (sadly, that number is far too low) can see right through their tactics.

I believe the WBC's targets are not gays per se, but rather people who are considering Christianity, or people who identify as Christians but who are not particularly religious. Their preaching of these lies about Christ will have a terrible effect on people who know of Jesus, but who do not know Jesus. Their preaching also plays right into the hands of people who are opposed to Christianity. These activities give such people a free "Christians are haters" card to play against the faithful.

183 posted on 12/20/2010 6:18:38 AM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obama does not give a rats petard about anyone but himself so he is politically doing this last minute TO GET VOTES and appeal to his base.


184 posted on 12/20/2010 9:26:18 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Jumper
Maybe the Heritate Foundation or WorldNetDaily will fill a Freedom of Information Request to get the Fiscal Data on what this is costing the Department of State, and to determine if it is an unfunded obligation.... And then maybe someone will be fined or forced to repay the government for this run-a-muck policy.

They might be working the issue right now for all we know. As well. Glenn Beck's group may be working it. One thing is for sure regarding finding corruption with this administration -it is a target rich environment. One does not have to dig deep to uncover malfeasance; in fact, one does not have to dig at all -it is stacked high and wide...

185 posted on 12/20/2010 9:55:42 AM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: wastoute

Common whore that is, that is the truth.

Sometimes it hurts.


186 posted on 12/20/2010 10:44:23 AM PST by devistate one four ( jihad is a 2 way street! Kimber CDP II .45 OOHRAH! TET68)
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To: devolve
'Barry, are you sure that yellow doesn't make my butt look big?'

No Honey! However, the Secret Service said that you must go infront of me, not beside me.

187 posted on 12/20/2010 5:01:43 PM PST by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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