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Obama's New 'Gay' Force
Townhall ^ | December 19, 2010 | Kevin McCullough

Posted on 12/18/2010 10:33:06 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

With the passage of the law to repeal the Clinton-era legislation commonly referred to as "Don't Ask, Don't Tell," President Obama enters into a new reality. In one last blaze of defiance of the American people, and expressly those who serve in our nation's armed forces, President Obama was able to shove social engineering into pretty much the very corner of American culture where we have no business doing so.

Upon his signature President Obama will begin a process that will at the very least disrupt operations, and at the very worst see the eventual weakening of our armed forces.

Throughout the entirety of this debate I've had questions, none of which seemed to be answered or even asked in the congressional sessions dealing with the matter.

From a purely pragmatic standpoint perhaps someone could answer them now, since I'm especially sure that President Obama wouldn't push for such a fundamental transformation of our military without good answers to them.

1. What happens to housing, on base and in theater?

If it is morally questionable to have men and women housed together because of the sexual tension that exists between primarily men who would be predatorily interested in the women they might shower with or frequently be seen in the act of dressing and undressing on a regular basis, why is it any different if you have identified the predatory homosexual male who might have an unrequited "thing" for a fellow service member? If it is proper to keep men and women housed separately do we now go to four sets of housing. Men who don't engage in homosexual activity, Men who do, Women who don't, Women who do? Practically speaking Mr. President how do you get past the fundamental sexual tension that will be present the minute some make it known?

2. Do you expect the military system or the civilian courts to deal with the influx of phony sexual harassment cases to follow?

Consider this issue a prediction of sorts, but take it to the bank that those who engage in open homosexuality will feel the freedom if not the need begin to portray themselves as victims of harassment pretty much anytime something doesn't go their way. And it may not require anything all that severe to trigger it. A drill instructor gets a little too rough in his language while trying to beat the "sissy" out of a recruit in basic training or Officer Candidate School and the backlog will commence.

3. Will base commanders be required to host "pride" events that allow for similar conduct to the x-rated displays that go on in the nation's cities each year?

There was much discussion in the Senate and House hearings about the issue of morale, the breakdown of structure, the significance of discipline and the ability to command respect and a readied force. Nothing related to any "pride" event ever held comes close to anything resembling respect, discipline, or structure. There is a reason our best volunteer to serve their nation, and it has nothing to do with speedos, bump or grind.

4. Will all other sexual conduct be made legal as well?

It is still a crime to commit adultery in active military duty, and even more so for officers. How can you possibly be allowing for the flamboyancy of effeminate male soldiers to engage in sexual conduct and their notorious ever wandering lust for the new on one hand, and hold court martial for those who have discreetly hidden their sexual escapades while destroying their families?

There are many legitimate reasons why the military is not the place to run experiments on the restructuring of the society at large.

For the leftist idiots who will scream the meme that, "every other nation on the planet already does it," shut up!

None of those military forces are the United States Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marines.

I know the progressive elites in the nation awake this morning feeling better about what has been done to the U.S. Military in this vote. I know this President has never served and likely barely knows anyone who has. I know that the godless in our nation think this is all a tremendous step forward.

In the hundreds of conversations I've had with those that serve in our nation's armed forces, from Naval F-18 aviators to Army Rangers, Marine specialists to Air Force pilots of B2 stealth bombers, C130s, and military drones, the view of the military is clear. They serve to focus on the mission at hand, not because they may or may not display pictures of their romantic interests in the living quarters.

I know that our military has been the best in the world, and that they deserved to be listened to when they spoke clearly from the four branches to the President. The head of each branch clearly made the case for not allowing the military to become a place where the focus of our troops was placed on when and how they can have sex, instead of achieving their mission.

But now that reality has been thrust upon us. It is a focus of magnificent distraction, and in terms of operational priorities it is of miniscule importance.

It was President Obama's doing, and the results that follow will be laid at his feet.


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As if Barack Obama gives two hoots in Hell about the US military.
1 posted on 12/18/2010 10:33:12 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It's obvious what will happen. More cases like this:

Lt. Col. Loren S. Loomis
2 posted on 12/18/2010 10:36:45 PM PST by Antoninus (Fair warning: If Romney's the GOP nominee in 2012, I'm looking for a new party.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
For the leftist idiots who will scream the meme that, "every other nation on the planet already does it," shut up!

Everytime I hear of this excuse, I think back to the early 1970's (I'm 44) when I was a little kid and Mom always asked me, "if all of your friends jumped off a bridge, would you follow them?"
3 posted on 12/18/2010 10:38:22 PM PST by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
What could possibly go wrong?


4 posted on 12/18/2010 10:40:48 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (0bamanomics: Punish Success, Reward Failure. Destroying America is the point.)
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To: Nowhere Man

We’re the world’s only superpower: We spend as much on defense as all the other countries in the world, combined! If we become weak, guess what happens? Of course, that’s probably the plan...


5 posted on 12/18/2010 10:42:49 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("You don't have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body." CS Lewis)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Not a risk to national security:


6 posted on 12/18/2010 10:43:26 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (0bamanomics: Punish Success, Reward Failure. Destroying America is the point.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well done. Also, consider the case of a homo “couple” who demands base housing. There is no end to the damage that will be inflicted on our military.


7 posted on 12/18/2010 10:45:36 PM PST by JABit (I'm an agnostic dyslexic insomniac... I lie awake at night wondering if there really is a dog...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I guess our soldiers can just “bitch slap” Al Queda into submission.
8 posted on 12/18/2010 10:50:39 PM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obama did not do this by himself or on his own prerogative. There were many involved for their own reasons. If the issue does anything it must bring forth for public memory all those who were enablers for this issue as well as many other actions taken under Obama’s time in office.


9 posted on 12/18/2010 10:58:27 PM PST by noinfringers2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obama did not do this by himself or on his own prerogative. There were many involved for their own reasons. If the issue does anything it must bring forth for public memory all those who were enablers for this issue as well as many other actions taken under Obama’s time in office.


10 posted on 12/18/2010 10:58:45 PM PST by noinfringers2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“That giant sucking sound” is coming from the Pentagon these days.


11 posted on 12/18/2010 11:00:19 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Merry Christmas to all of my FReeper FRiends!)
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To: potlatch


DO I LOOK PRETTIER THAN REGGIE LOVE?


12 posted on 12/18/2010 11:05:53 PM PST by devolve (. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0ponzi Version 9.8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . .)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
What's next for the military, beastiality? (aka, "Don't ask, don't tail")
13 posted on 12/18/2010 11:07:16 PM PST by The Duke
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The DemonRAT marxist scum want a draft.

What better way to assure that they’ll need a draft to staff the military than to scare away volunteers.

All the college communists that voted for the maoist jerks will reap what they sowed.


14 posted on 12/18/2010 11:08:57 PM PST by Westbrook (Having children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: The Duke
The new army.


15 posted on 12/18/2010 11:12:39 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: noinfringers2
Obama did not do this by himself or on his own prerogative.

No, he did it with the votes of Republicans. I will NOT vote for any who voted to do this, and there will be others of like mind and vote accordingly.
16 posted on 12/18/2010 11:14:51 PM PST by JSteff ((((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.))))
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To: Uncle Miltie

Ya know that nut case that shows up at Fallen Soldiers funerals with his God Hates Fags signs?

Many have countered protested him and his family so called Church.

Someday a very open Gay man serving is going to be laid to rest and this Guy is going to show up with God Hates Fags signs (perhaps).

That will make for an interesting event. Will those that normally protest the self proclaimed Preacher of God Hates Fags choose to join him or respect the funeral of a serviceman who was openly gay.


17 posted on 12/18/2010 11:17:02 PM PST by Global2010 (Pisces at hospites tribus diebus foetebunt.....)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have a question this guy doesn’t ask. What happens when a gay officer gets the hots for one, or more, of his men(likewise a lesbian officer had her troops)? Will the officer show favoritism? You bet they will, like wise what if a straight trooper, male or female, turns down the advances of a gay officer?


18 posted on 12/18/2010 11:19:40 PM PST by calex59
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have been thinking that most homosexual men will not expose their sexuality in the military, despite this law. However, I do believe that this whole thing is due to lesbians in the military who want to make their lifestyle public knowledge. Men, regardless of their sexuality, would be hesitant in most cases to arouse the ire of fellow soldiers in combat. I believe they are that realistic. Women, on the other hand, have no such fears, and homosexual women, particularly today, are out to make a huge statement. It is disgusting.


19 posted on 12/18/2010 11:27:30 PM PST by sueuprising (The best of it is, God is with us-John Wesley)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That is Pres Soros’s point .
Slowly wipe out the US military.


20 posted on 12/18/2010 11:30:19 PM PST by ncalburt (Get Even on Election Day)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Prepare for floral designed fatigues. /puke


21 posted on 12/18/2010 11:31:22 PM PST by 23 Everest (A gun in hand is better than a cop on the phone.)
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To: devolve

Does this ASS make my truck look big?


22 posted on 12/18/2010 11:32:23 PM PST by 23 Everest (A gun in hand is better than a cop on the phone.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
We’re the world’s only superpower

Except we really aren't anymore. It is time we get our heads around that.

To wit:
Our dollar is worth but a fraction of what it once did, and it is heading south..

Superpowers loan money, not borrow it.

Superpowers have natural resources, and they use them to manufacture things. Those goods are then sold across the globe, making the superpower, well, a super power. We don't do that anymore.

Superpowers have strong leaders who are admired and respected around the world. We don't have that going on.

Superpowers make themselves critical to the economies and security of other nations. They all could survive just fine without us.

Superpowers hold education as one of the most priceless and valuable features of their culture. The US? Not so much. Most high school grads are no where near as smart as a 5th grader in India.

Superpowers have innovation and celebrate excellence in science and technology. What have we done lately? We have the iPad. And Google. And freaking Twitter.

Need I go on? We have the most amazing soldiers and sailors on the planet, but we no longer have the full force of a superpower government to back them up. Watch how fast we bail on Afghanistan.

The United States invented the concept of superpower. Now we can only hope for a seat at the table.

We were great once and we can be again. But start letting that idea sink in: sadly there is nothing super about America's power anymore.

23 posted on 12/18/2010 11:34:11 PM PST by Semper911 (When you want to rob Peter to pay Paul, you'll always have the support of Paul.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Time for some Monty Python.

NO cheers, unfortunately.

24 posted on 12/18/2010 11:36:07 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"every other nation on the planet already does it"

A bald faced lie!

The late, great American Military. RIP

25 posted on 12/18/2010 11:39:50 PM PST by DWar ("The ultimate destination of Political Correctness is totalitarianism.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Republican Party just needs to make it clear that they intend to reinstate the ban in 2 years. If you come out or enlist in the meantime, your career will be quite truncated...


26 posted on 12/18/2010 11:54:25 PM PST by ziravan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The Gay Force of Loser Presidents


27 posted on 12/18/2010 11:56:46 PM PST by lbryce (Obama Notwithstanding, America's Best Days Are Yet To Be .)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
No worries, it will be solved.

Linky

28 posted on 12/18/2010 11:56:46 PM PST by digital-olive
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To: sueuprising

I think you’re right.


29 posted on 12/19/2010 12:01:10 AM PST by Auntie Mame (Fear not tomorrow. God is already there.)
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To: Global2010
Someone touched on that yesterday and was zotted.
30 posted on 12/19/2010 12:26:08 AM PST by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: All

The casting couch now moves to the commodants office.


31 posted on 12/19/2010 12:29:32 AM PST by RBIEL2
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To: devolve

What is that? Did she walk out of Wal Mart with a TV under there?


32 posted on 12/19/2010 12:44:19 AM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

People who engage in homosexual acts demean their bodies and have no honor or character. That is what the homosexual muslim in the white house wants.

He wants a military devoid of morality—like the homosexual Nazi Brownshirts (and Hitler who also had a sexual perversion as do a lot of serial killers such as Dahmers, Gacy, etc.

He wants to recreate Pagan Rome and Greece or the homosexual ancient Japanese armies. He wants to destroy the US.

The best way to do that is destroy the moral character of the servicemen—to make them like the Nazis and the inhumane Russian (atheist) military.
Patton loathed the inhumanity of the Russians.

It is the Christian paradigm that made our military the best in the world and the most humane in the history of all armies. No other army has been as great.


33 posted on 12/19/2010 12:50:47 AM PST by savagesusie
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To: lbryce

ROFLMAO. You are too funny.


34 posted on 12/19/2010 1:03:29 AM PST by Lumper20
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To: Uncle Miltie

Somehow, “rear admiral” just has a different meaning today than it did yesterday.


35 posted on 12/19/2010 1:17:33 AM PST by bone52
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

One thing that never gets mentioned is that of the 17000 discharges the homosexual agenda crowd constant bemoans, almost 100 percent of those are people who came forward and submitted a request to be discharged. What gets even less press is that almost 100 percent of those requesting discharge are either facing a pending deployment or, in the case of the Navy, about to wash out of the nuclear power program and get sent to the fleet as “nuclear waste” a fate most wish to avoid. You will now see a spike in people claiming drug use or actually doing drugs to get out. What made the homosexual discharge so appealing is that the DD-214 said “honorable discharge”


36 posted on 12/19/2010 1:57:14 AM PST by NavVet ("You Lie!")
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To: The Duke

Thomas Jefferson wrote homosexuality should have a harsher punishment than bestiality. He stated it is more dangerous to society.


37 posted on 12/19/2010 2:09:36 AM PST by bushpilot1
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To: ncalburt

I do not think the military should be used for social engineering. Whats next/ Unions for soldiers? They can strike for better wages? Elections of Officers from the ranks as more “Democratic?” Where do we stop? When will these “reforms” end in lives being lost, battles lost and the USA occupied by foreigners? How many will die over this? How many Gay soldiers will be fragged in battle? maybe I’m wrong but it seems like a way to win votes with the gay community and not a way to win wars.


38 posted on 12/19/2010 2:21:06 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Semper911

15 years ago I was seeing a single mother in the base hospital ER. She was an E-3 with a chart 4 inches thick. We looked at it carefully and discovered that this girl had been on sick call and quarters more often than formation.

At the time the gun grabbers were thinking they would make some strides against us and I remember telling my partner, “Actually, this is a good thing. We may have to fight this army ourselves someday. (pointing at her) This is the army I want to fight...”

Yeah, the day may come when we are pretty happy the army is mostly homos and single mothers.


39 posted on 12/19/2010 3:06:12 AM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well one of the reasons most young men join the combat corps is because generally its a place where you can be yourself - a heterosexual man. I know there is no way in hell I would have joined the Army when I was younger if I would have had to share barracks etc with homosexuals.

So now homosexuals can watch their fellow soldiers get naked. They can interrogate enemy troops. They can now do all manner of things.

It is obviously a disgrace. Not just for the USA but all nations that have embraced similar laws.


40 posted on 12/19/2010 3:14:20 AM PST by gareththomasnz
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I served 20 years and retired from the Army. Never had a problem with gays personally, and thought most were competent team players that I found out about. However, there were several very quiet court martial's of prominent gays (high ranking individuals) who used their rank and power to rape lower ranking individuals under their supervision. The worst case was for 27 counts and involved his wife suducing unsuspect drunk guys while the perp went out to obstensively buy more alcohol during football games. In all cases these people were predators, in the sexual sense and enjoyed rape or a form of professional blackmail where one feared damage to their career as motival for keeping quiet. The fear of showering or consentual sex is not what people dislike - it is the rather overt nature, the strong sexual orientation whreby sex is the primarly focus of one's being that worries most folks who have to deal with gays.

Here in the State Department, gays have a perch from which they are untouchable. Once they have tenure they can be incompetent and still use complaints and character assination of people they don't like through EEO. The problems they create are one of fear in the ranks by straights where we dare not cross them - for they are militant, petty and mean when angered and use all form of weapons, e.g., rumors and EEO. Again at State our expierence is different, we have people who walk about like Hollywood Hair Dressers, flaunting their sexuality, mocking the normal sense of sivility that would be considered professional non-sexual conduct; they can do this specifically because we make an exception. We avoid confrontations, and tip toe in the closeted sense around gays trying not to offend them (being a Republican is an offense in the political correctness sense here in the Department and being an R indicates you are against Gays in liberal circles).

But there is one bigger problem is one in which the State Department has fostered a situaiton where they have a category of family member called Member of Household (MOH). An example of the MOH benefits can be drawn from the fact we have here at State Department Post an openly homosexual junior foreign service officer living with a Brazilian male; the office is shortly going to deploy to a combat zone and during his one-year absence (prior to gong to his follow-on assignment), his MOH boyfriend will continue to live in government leased housing (about $130K a year), be entitled to employment as any other family member, etc. Straight orientated foreign service officers are not giveng these "rights" for hetro different sex boyfriends or girlfriends, and I think this another form of charity the Country cannot afford. While my wife is friend's with this MOH as he is literally one of the girls and a likeable person, it is the financial angle to which most object - where is the line item funding for this from the Congress and Senate (or is this another unfunded obligation?).

My objection to gays openly service can be initially touched upon in the paragraph above, but there one other area that concerns me as well. That is the consideration that we have an Islamic block at the UN or within the world about 67-69 nations in one religous group where being openly gay is a crime in their nations and we send Openly Gay Diplomats (in the future Gay Military personnel). Do these nations and the adherents of Islam see the West and America once more as a decadent perverse society that by our very essence seeks to offend the pure? If we cannot deal with very question within our government and society, have we the right to export our morality or lack there of, into other societys? I do not see this as sending a Black Mayor from Atlanta (Andrew Young) to an Apathid South Africa for we were allied with a Deklerk Government, but rather in just this one instance of Islam at a stage of religious intollerence by those so inclined. So based on this one situation alone I beleive it is within the rights of Nations to reject our diplomate/politicians and military from interaction with their society's on the basis of religious and legal grounds. Were these nations to arrest and/or expulse from their country's openly gay diplomats, or refuse military assistance it would make our diplomacy and protective umbrella unable to deal with today's negotiations or tensions.

I could go on but one can get the sense there is more to this issue lurking below the surface.

I am curious where many FISCAL conservative's stand on the Entitlements the State Department is throwing money at to allow FSOs to have lovers live in hosing they are not occupying, or the fact that gays can now compete against wifes/husbands and they do complian through EEO when their lovers are not hired as the best qualified.....

It is my belief that we can ill afford the "trail by fire" in the diplomatic arena and we definitely cannot afford the "unfunded obligations" Hillary has imposed at the Department of State NATION-WIDE.

41 posted on 12/19/2010 3:20:13 AM PST by Jumper
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It's going to be hard to deal with the disciplinary issues. We're talking young people in their late teens and twenties, who already think with their glands too often.

This is going to be 1) more of an impact than the Obama Administration thinks it will, but 2) less than a total disaster, because the military will, out of sheer desperation, find ways to punish sexual harassment and intimidation — but only if they are reported.

I do expect DADT to be re-instituted in the Palin Administration.

42 posted on 12/19/2010 3:23:22 AM PST by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: gareththomasnz
Very good point. One thing the gay blades don't want to discuss is how you can differentiate between psyo-sociopathic sexual sadists such as the crowd at Abu Ghraib and your ordinary, run of the mill homosexual.

Just can't get those guys to deal with it ~ and most likely because ALL of them know it's not possible ~ because they've all been beat up by such folks, or had a friend beaten.

43 posted on 12/19/2010 3:25:26 AM PST by muawiyah
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Russia, China, N Korea...have gotta be pinching themselves. They gotta be asking asking themselves “ is this some kind of set-up?....this is just too easy”. Laughin their asses off. Sad.


44 posted on 12/19/2010 3:28:11 AM PST by basalt
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To: Uncle Miltie

Obama’s fudge force will travel.


45 posted on 12/19/2010 3:40:22 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
QUESTION NOT ASKED:

Now that our military has "embraced" gays and transgenders, military medical care can look forward to the trangender precedents established in prison medical care . In fact will it not be even easier for by radical left lawyers & their cohort judges & politicians to force trangender nedical care down the throat of the military than it was to do so for the prisons?

This means the military will be paying for trangendering soldiers hormone theurapy and even surgical modification.

And unlike prison - where few would intentionally be incarcerated so that the public can pay for this cost - many trangenderers will join the military just to have this paid for.

46 posted on 12/19/2010 3:44:29 AM PST by drpix
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
theurapy = therapy
47 posted on 12/19/2010 3:45:36 AM PST by drpix
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To: Jumper; wagglebee; little jeremiah
The fear of showering or consentual sex is not what people dislike - it is the rather overt nature, the strong sexual orientation whereby sex is the primarly focus of one's being that worries most folks who have to deal with gays.

Good point, needs to be emphasized.

What you are describing at State is the overhauling of the Government, department by department, by a homosexual political cabal. I'm sure there are underground writings and gloatings about these petty, dark little triumphs by the perpetrators.

These kinds of political "movements" tend to end badly when the conspirators run out of rope. Then comes society's strike back, and a settling of accounts.

48 posted on 12/19/2010 3:56:02 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Look for a lot of recruits from San Francisco enlisting to get gender bender modification surgery free of charge.


49 posted on 12/19/2010 4:04:31 AM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: Uncle Miltie

You forgot to post the photo of his daddy Barack Hussein Obama I hear neither of them is happy with their confinement.Both most certainly are/were Threat to our National security.


50 posted on 12/19/2010 4:05:55 AM PST by StonyBurk (ring)
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