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Obama's New 'Gay' Force
Townhall ^ | December 19, 2010 | Kevin McCullough

Posted on 12/18/2010 10:33:06 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

With the passage of the law to repeal the Clinton-era legislation commonly referred to as "Don't Ask, Don't Tell," President Obama enters into a new reality. In one last blaze of defiance of the American people, and expressly those who serve in our nation's armed forces, President Obama was able to shove social engineering into pretty much the very corner of American culture where we have no business doing so.

Upon his signature President Obama will begin a process that will at the very least disrupt operations, and at the very worst see the eventual weakening of our armed forces.

Throughout the entirety of this debate I've had questions, none of which seemed to be answered or even asked in the congressional sessions dealing with the matter.

From a purely pragmatic standpoint perhaps someone could answer them now, since I'm especially sure that President Obama wouldn't push for such a fundamental transformation of our military without good answers to them.

1. What happens to housing, on base and in theater?

If it is morally questionable to have men and women housed together because of the sexual tension that exists between primarily men who would be predatorily interested in the women they might shower with or frequently be seen in the act of dressing and undressing on a regular basis, why is it any different if you have identified the predatory homosexual male who might have an unrequited "thing" for a fellow service member? If it is proper to keep men and women housed separately do we now go to four sets of housing. Men who don't engage in homosexual activity, Men who do, Women who don't, Women who do? Practically speaking Mr. President how do you get past the fundamental sexual tension that will be present the minute some make it known?

2. Do you expect the military system or the civilian courts to deal with the influx of phony sexual harassment cases to follow?

Consider this issue a prediction of sorts, but take it to the bank that those who engage in open homosexuality will feel the freedom if not the need begin to portray themselves as victims of harassment pretty much anytime something doesn't go their way. And it may not require anything all that severe to trigger it. A drill instructor gets a little too rough in his language while trying to beat the "sissy" out of a recruit in basic training or Officer Candidate School and the backlog will commence.

3. Will base commanders be required to host "pride" events that allow for similar conduct to the x-rated displays that go on in the nation's cities each year?

There was much discussion in the Senate and House hearings about the issue of morale, the breakdown of structure, the significance of discipline and the ability to command respect and a readied force. Nothing related to any "pride" event ever held comes close to anything resembling respect, discipline, or structure. There is a reason our best volunteer to serve their nation, and it has nothing to do with speedos, bump or grind.

4. Will all other sexual conduct be made legal as well?

It is still a crime to commit adultery in active military duty, and even more so for officers. How can you possibly be allowing for the flamboyancy of effeminate male soldiers to engage in sexual conduct and their notorious ever wandering lust for the new on one hand, and hold court martial for those who have discreetly hidden their sexual escapades while destroying their families?

There are many legitimate reasons why the military is not the place to run experiments on the restructuring of the society at large.

For the leftist idiots who will scream the meme that, "every other nation on the planet already does it," shut up!

None of those military forces are the United States Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marines.

I know the progressive elites in the nation awake this morning feeling better about what has been done to the U.S. Military in this vote. I know this President has never served and likely barely knows anyone who has. I know that the godless in our nation think this is all a tremendous step forward.

In the hundreds of conversations I've had with those that serve in our nation's armed forces, from Naval F-18 aviators to Army Rangers, Marine specialists to Air Force pilots of B2 stealth bombers, C130s, and military drones, the view of the military is clear. They serve to focus on the mission at hand, not because they may or may not display pictures of their romantic interests in the living quarters.

I know that our military has been the best in the world, and that they deserved to be listened to when they spoke clearly from the four branches to the President. The head of each branch clearly made the case for not allowing the military to become a place where the focus of our troops was placed on when and how they can have sex, instead of achieving their mission.

But now that reality has been thrust upon us. It is a focus of magnificent distraction, and in terms of operational priorities it is of miniscule importance.

It was President Obama's doing, and the results that follow will be laid at his feet.


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KEYWORDS: bho44; congress; dadt; democrats; homosexualagenda; homosexuals; military; obama
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To: noinfringers2

Maybe this will provide the Muslim with a good reason to do the Pentagon - as it finally did the WTC.then they can build a victory mosque and house for the Sodomites there.


51 posted on 12/19/2010 4:09:05 AM PST by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: Global2010
Someday a very open Gay man serving is going to be laid to rest and this Guy is going to show up with God Hates Fags signs (perhaps).

I highly doubt the front group known as the Westboro "Baptist" "Church" will protest such an event. We never see them protest any events where there are living gay people, after all.

52 posted on 12/19/2010 4:11:50 AM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: calex59

Oh but congress has told us a number of times that if Lieutt. Enslin of Colo. Malcom’s Regiment were facing Court Martial today it would not get even inquiry. We are -it seems no longer a Moral and Religious people.At least that is the America Congress sees.


53 posted on 12/19/2010 4:12:49 AM PST by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: lbryce

Now that is the most accurate photo I’ve seen of either of these two— can I expect to see it displayed -as it should be— with honor in the White House -Under the Dome?


54 posted on 12/19/2010 4:15:41 AM PST by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: Uncle Miltie
Speaking of PFC Bradley Manning, the Wikileaks leaker ....

Does anyone realize that Manning just got what he apparently said he wanted?

Does anyone realize that it now looks like this one gay private blackmailed the Gov't. into changing its homosexuality policy?

How do you explain to a sneering, scoffing PLA general now, that that did not happen?

....while the general is doubled over, laughing .....

55 posted on 12/19/2010 4:16:45 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
They have created another class of soldier who “must” be promoted and “can't” be disciplined. It was rampant in the 70’s with minorities. You CANNOT hide the truth from your troops and if you try you will pay the price, with interest.
56 posted on 12/19/2010 4:19:55 AM PST by Feckless (I was trained by the US Government to Kill Commies. Now ain't that irOnic?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Damn those ****ing seven “republicans” who fell in line with the dems.

A strong GOP Senatorial leader, which doesn’t exist in McConnell, would have helped keep Republicans in line.

One thing I will give the liberal side is they NEVER quit. They fight... and fight.. and fight until they defeat us.


57 posted on 12/19/2010 4:23:29 AM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: lbryce

UGH! I hope you have some Clorox. I really need to wash that image ou of my head.


58 posted on 12/19/2010 4:27:49 AM PST by Sarajevo (You're jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

From Hasan to this, the undocumented Kenyan Imam Obama,
who lied to be POTUS, has reveled in his wins.

Obamas goal, like the DNC, is the utter destruction
of America.


59 posted on 12/19/2010 4:37:26 AM PST by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It is part of Odumbo’s Master Plan - Weaken the US - What do you expect from a communist sympathizer. He paid big money for the Reid’s, Pelosi’s,(election), Brown (Rhino), Collins, (rhino), Snowe(Rhino) votes. he made more promises to Brown, Collins and snowe. Where do you think the 13 trillion dollars that is missing is going for it is Obama’s Stash of cash to buy votes and buy politicians.

Brown from Massachusetts stated he would vote with the Dumbocrats. What do you expect from a guy whom possed for a magazine? He is a POS.


60 posted on 12/19/2010 4:44:45 AM PST by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: devolve

The Wookie is at least an ax handle wide in the posterior...NO? I would say 0’s hand is at least 8” from heel to fingertip, how many hands would it take to cover Meechelles derriere? My guess is, 4 hands. That would be in the neighborhood of 32”.....That’s a big beotch.


61 posted on 12/19/2010 4:45:40 AM PST by runninglips (Don't support the Republican party, work to "fundamentally change" it...conservative would be nice)
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To: sueuprising

In the early nineties, there were groups of male sodomites on board the USS Carl Vinson. They organized themselves in such a way as to harass heterosexuals, even going so far as to “drop” tools from height on those that would not “tolerate” their group. They called themselves the “family”, and they were known among the command structure. My niece was dating one such victim of an attack, and he and his friends would talk openly of this at BBQ’s and parties they attended at my house. I wonder how bad it is now? How much worse can it get?


62 posted on 12/19/2010 4:51:26 AM PST by runninglips (Don't support the Republican party, work to "fundamentally change" it...conservative would be nice)
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To: Semper911
Two things that were true, but are no longer.

America is a super power.

America is the richest nation on Earth.

63 posted on 12/19/2010 4:53:10 AM PST by runninglips (Don't support the Republican party, work to "fundamentally change" it...conservative would be nice)
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To: 23 Everest
Prepare for floral designed fatigues. /puke

All ready to go...


64 posted on 12/19/2010 4:54:44 AM PST by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: noinfringers2

There must be a lot of homosexuals in high places to influence such a vote. Maybe many of the Democracks in Congress are gay.


65 posted on 12/19/2010 4:54:58 AM PST by FreedBird
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To: pnh102

I don’t understand his ideology of subject matter vs. choice of protest place.

Other than it is the most disrespectful;hurtfull thing to do to a Military Family in mourning.

Your right seems if he wanted to protest sexual perverse acts he would be at the SF Gay Sex in the Streets and other acts of lewdness go on.


66 posted on 12/19/2010 4:57:47 AM PST by Global2010 (Pisces at hospites tribus diebus foetebunt.....)
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To: gareththomasnz

The Progressive Marxists are constantly harping about our conduct being a recruitment tool for Al Quada and the Jihadists.......WHAT IS A HOMOSEXUAL ARMY IN THEIR COUNTRIES GOING TO DO FOR THEIR ATTITUDE?......Answer this one.


67 posted on 12/19/2010 4:58:17 AM PST by runninglips (Don't support the Republican party, work to "fundamentally change" it...conservative would be nice)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Give it 2-3 years - they will have PINK TANKS!!! Believe it! Wait till the Army has Gay Pride day!


68 posted on 12/19/2010 4:59:21 AM PST by 2harddrive
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To: Global2010
Other than it is the most disrespectful;hurtfull thing to do to a Military Family in mourning.

Which is exactly why the WBC does that. The WBC, I've concluded, is nothing more than a front group whose sole purpose is to make Christianity look bad. This is why they do such outrageous and insulting things such as protest military funerals, but won't take the same approach when it comes to things like gay pride events.

As another poster mentioned in a different thread, you would think the WBC would have a field office in San Francisco.

69 posted on 12/19/2010 5:02:33 AM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No,. you need SEPARATE showers and dressing areas for EACH homosexual. If they are allowed to dress and shower together, it will turn into a raunchy gay bathhouse scene! Whereas heteros of the same sex are NOT attracted to each other, so they CAN be housed together, unlike gays.


70 posted on 12/19/2010 5:02:55 AM PST by 2harddrive
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To: gareththomasnz

And women who want to look and be like men, can find many gay lovers. Obama can promote some gays to be in charge and they can promote more gays to dictate the gay agenda.


71 posted on 12/19/2010 5:03:17 AM PST by FreedBird
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To: lentulusgracchus

Ahhhhhh, the Pink Hand. It is real and can do real damage, ask Michael Savage. Many will say that he brought his own firing from his TV program, but they forget that he was OFF-AIR when he got into a insult fest with an openly gay caller. His staff allowed this off-air comment to go on-air....I assume purposely to damage him. There is quite a delay on shows like this, usually hours of time set aside for editing. This got through, so it was what someone wanted to be heard.


72 posted on 12/19/2010 5:03:43 AM PST by runninglips (Don't support the Republican party, work to "fundamentally change" it...conservative would be nice)
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To: JSteff

“I will NOT vote for any who voted to do this, and there will be others of like mind and vote accordingly.”

I’m with you, friend. I voted for Mark Kirk in November because he was the lesser of two evils. But he has jumped the shark with this vote, and I will never again vote for him. There have been suspicions that Kirk was light in the loafers, and I think this vote removes all doubt.


73 posted on 12/19/2010 5:14:53 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The gay recruits' loyalty cannot be questioned, most are steadfastly dedicated to the gay agenda.

The lucrative Civil Rights industry, Gay division, likely has a social engineering campaign worked out years ago to advance the universal gay agenda using the liberal/progressive and MSM hatred of the U.S. military.

"Hot damn! DoD on the lam!"

There will be tens of thousands of harassment claims against the Services and daily harassment of the Services by liberal/progressive organizations and the MSM.

Those of us who remember the Marxist-Alinsky street/campus revolutionary rabble of 1960s know what mau-mauing means. It will be a nightmare.

"Bring it all down, man."

74 posted on 12/19/2010 5:16:45 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: raybbr

Well if what I am seeing on that Trannies arm is what I think it is She/He actually is not medically fit to serve.


75 posted on 12/19/2010 5:17:10 AM PST by Global2010 (Pisces at hospites tribus diebus foetebunt.....)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
In Virginia, we now have Senator “Sodomite Jim” Webb. Trying to restore the Navy to “rum, sodomy, and the lash”. This will not be forgotten in 2012!
76 posted on 12/19/2010 5:21:30 AM PST by RedEyeJack
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To: basalt

“Russia, China, N Korea...have gotta be pinching themselves. They gotta be asking asking themselves ‘is this some kind of set-up?....this is just too easy’. Laughin their asses off. Sad.”

No kidding.


77 posted on 12/19/2010 5:26:46 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
There will literally be blood on the hands of those who voted for the repeal of DADT for front-line troops. The degradation of troop readiness and the corrosive effect on unit cohesion and the chain of command will provide aid to the enemy.

The repeal of DADT will also lead to a more radicalized, social engineered military that would support Obama far more than the current military.

78 posted on 12/19/2010 5:39:07 AM PST by Truth29
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It won’t be long, I suspect, before the left starts complaining that aren’t “enough” gay officers and senior NCOs, or that x percent of flag officers have to be gay, etc.


79 posted on 12/19/2010 5:42:23 AM PST by hitkicker
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To: RedEyeJack

They want the Military to turn liberal and less conservative. They counted many GOP absentee ballots. The Democrats want more liberal Democrats in the miltitary.


80 posted on 12/19/2010 5:42:23 AM PST by FreedBird
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Upon his signature President Obama will begin a process that will at the very least disrupt operations, and at the very worst see the eventual weakening of our armed forces.

Nope! I may be the consumate optimist...but I firmly believe that all it means is that every last gay in the military now will lose his job! The poster child of Democrat legislation that 'creates unemployment'! ALL Democrat legislation now on the books has created unemployment! We need to start a pool on what century the Dims will notice!

81 posted on 12/19/2010 5:44:02 AM PST by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: Global2010
Well if what I am seeing on that Trannies arm is what I think it is She/He actually is not medically fit to serve.

Another FReeper brought that up. Said they will join to get HIV treatment free. Does/will the Armed Forces test for HIV before enlisting? And, is that something that would disqualify them?

82 posted on 12/19/2010 5:46:01 AM PST by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
a readied force.

....and if I'm wrong...a readied force will become a readied farce!

83 posted on 12/19/2010 5:47:05 AM PST by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Kongress is about to learn the hard way about ‘the laugh test’!


84 posted on 12/19/2010 5:48:23 AM PST by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: devolve

One
Big
ass
mistake
again


85 posted on 12/19/2010 5:50:22 AM PST by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I will never tell anyone that I was proud to serve my country ever again.

I have lived too long as of today.

86 posted on 12/19/2010 5:50:28 AM PST by atc23
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To: JABit
Well done. Also, consider the case of a homo “couple” who demands base housing. There is no end to the damage that will be inflicted on our military.

Not to mention non-active duty, same sex domestic partners, or faux spouses of the active duty gays.

These folks will have the same benefits, medical, PX and Commisary priveleges, moving expenses, housing, to name just a few.

Obama has already imposed this on OPM.

87 posted on 12/19/2010 5:52:50 AM PST by sonofagun (Some think my cynicism grows with age. I like to think of it as wisdom!)
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To: NavVet; 2ndDivisionVet
When I first heard that the Sodomites were able to get a honorable DD 214, I thought this would be the silver lining in this dark cloud. I wondered how many did use DADT to escape deployments and washouts, yet used the Military to get hiring preferences, and get their college education paid for. For those who are in University now and saw the military as simply a way to get a tax-payer funded education, this isn't good news, and it should reduce the number who enlist for just that reason, get educated then get outed.

This could end up being much worse though. What is worse than giving a Sodomite a college education so that they can just out themselves at their convenience, is the Sodomite who stays and undermines the military as an officer. If this hasn't already happened, it will surely increase as Sodomites as a "movement" are never content with the status quo and are always looking to amp up their perversion and destruction of traditional values.

Hazing will be interesting now, because even if the Sodomite were to receive the same treatment as others, to make a name for themselves, they could declare a hate crime was committed and regular roughhousing will turn into a criminal record and days in the brig. The Sodomites should have a legitimate fear of fratricide on deployment out in the wild, this fear might become institutionalized and thus open Sodomy by policy, gets the pervert off the front-line and in the safe zones. Imagine a gay SEAL who never gets into combat because policies against hypothetical fratricide keeps him in the office not in the field. This ought to go over real well with the rest.

One thing is for sure, the Line-crossing ceremonies will surely have more competitively dressed contestants at King Neptune's court.

88 posted on 12/19/2010 5:53:21 AM PST by The Theophilus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet


89 posted on 12/19/2010 5:54:58 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: lbryce

sez it all.....the posterchildren of ‘a picture is worth a thousand words’!!! Carter and Carter 2.0


90 posted on 12/19/2010 5:56:56 AM PST by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: bone52
...as does ‘Staff Sargent’
91 posted on 12/19/2010 5:59:31 AM PST by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: NavVet
What made the homosexual discharge so appealing is that the DD-214 said “honorable discharge”

ahhh...a silver lining! the next gay layoff will not have to say 'h0norable'

92 posted on 12/19/2010 6:01:34 AM PST by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: DWar

Why would we want to imitate the ridiculously weak, cowardly militaries in other countries, anyway?

In Afghanistan, the German troops are afraid of the dark. It is their official poicy — they will not go out at night.


93 posted on 12/19/2010 6:04:02 AM PST by heye2monn
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To: Jumper

Good points.

For the record - I believe that the US Government should only recognize heterosexual marriage (and their legal children) as a Member of Household.

Here’s a question - How much time will drill instructors and military commanders have to spend learning how to deal with sexual orientation issues? What makes our military so good is the training. start cutting into that, and your cut into the effectiveness of our military.

I discriminate against homosexuals as often as I find them.


94 posted on 12/19/2010 6:04:08 AM PST by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This opens a whole new can of worms.
95 posted on 12/19/2010 6:05:06 AM PST by sonofagun (Some think my cynicism grows with age. I like to think of it as wisdom!)
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To: NavVet

Yep, they just sealed their fate! Now when they realize that they can’t cut it, they will be forced to complete their contracts!


96 posted on 12/19/2010 6:07:54 AM PST by panthermom
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To: FreedBird
Democracks

Good'n

When is payback not a bitch? When it's 2 bitches ... Pa-Bach (2012)

97 posted on 12/19/2010 6:07:56 AM PST by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
New uniforms are being ordered as we speak in camo-pink...

You are wrong. He does give two hoots in Hell about the US military - this is the first... wait for the second...

Remember that Civilian National Security Army as well-funded and equipped as the (present US military)? Were do you imagine the money and equipment will come from, given they can't afford to buy the stuff twice?

This will end badly.

98 posted on 12/19/2010 6:18:09 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine .. now it is your turn..)
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To: runninglips
The Progressive Marxists are constantly harping

Ain't it the truth!

The 'laugh test' comes to mind so often that it ain't even funny any more!...hence the lawyer welfare plan!

99 posted on 12/19/2010 6:20:03 AM PST by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: calex59

I constantly keep in mind something I read once, “Military justice is to justice as military music is to music.” Having served one hitch in the Navy I have an idea of what that means. It will be interesting to see what military justice is served up in cases such as you suggest.


100 posted on 12/19/2010 7:01:36 AM PST by RipSawyer
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