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Russia Warns Senate Not to Amend Arms Control Treaty
nyt ^ | December 20, 2010 | PETER BAKER

Posted on 12/20/2010 10:54:25 AM PST by balls

WASHINGTON — Russia warned the United States Senate on Monday not to rewrite the new arms control treaty being debated on Capitol Hill as American lawmakers clashed about the politics of ratification in the waning days of the Congressional session.

Republican critics of the treaty, known as New Start, offered more amendments to the treaty’s language on verification and launcher limits. But any change to the treaty text would require both countries to return to the negotiating table, and Moscow made it clear that senators had to accept the treaty or reject it as it is, without amendments.

“I can only underscore that the strategic nuclear arms treaty, worked out on the strict basis of parity, in our view fully answers to the national interests of Russia and the United States,” Sergei Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, told the Interfax news agency on Monday. “It cannot be opened up and become the subject of new negotiations.”

The Russian statement provoked a sharp response from the leading Republican treaty opponent, Senator Jon Kyl of Arizona. “What’s wrong with that?” he asked of returning to the negotiating table to improve the treaty. “Unless you think the U.S. Constitution was really stupid to give the Senate a role in this, it doesn’t seem there’s anything wrong with the Senate saying, ‘You got about nine-tenths of it right.’ ”

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KEYWORDS: 0bamacare; 0pansyqueer; 0ponzinomics; obama; palin; russia; start; starttreaty; treason
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*** What the hell is in this that makes all these parties want it passed? Inquiring minds want to know. My best guess is it bends us all over and enslaves us to world government. Just my two cents. ***

The Treaty is on the Home Page of the State Dept. I downloaded it yesterday.

The Treaty itself is only 17 pages but the total 'thing' is in 5 parts and 356 pages long. The 2nd part, the Protocols, is 165 pages long and its referenced throughout 'The Treaty'.

Bottom line is that there's no way in hades that something like this should be rammed through in a Lame Duck session and at the last minute. The NEW Senate needs to go through it word by word.

And then, Vote it DOWN.

51 posted on 12/20/2010 1:49:37 PM PST by Condor51 (SAT CONG!)
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To: Army Air Corps

Putin is a traitor to his own people. He served the Soviet Communism that enslaved his own Russian people unswervingly. He was not happy about the collapse of the Soviet tyranny and now he has stolen the Russian people’s freedom and ensured that Russia will follow the Soviet Union into the ashheap of history.


52 posted on 12/20/2010 1:50:34 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: balls
Russia Warns Senate

And with Zero's appalling foreign policy gaffes abroad, every country in the world is free to warn us about everything we do.

53 posted on 12/20/2010 1:51:49 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: null and void

If you want to join the Russian then go ahead. As far as I’m concerned Obama is Brokeback Putin’s butt boy and best comrade.


54 posted on 12/20/2010 1:52:05 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Putin will catch Obama in the bathhouse and make him “wet.”
55 posted on 12/20/2010 1:53:28 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I didn’t say he was a saint. He is a an iron-fisted neo-Stalinist individual. On the other hand, have you ever heard him run about the world apologizing for Russia? Have you seen bow deeply and submissively to world leaders?


56 posted on 12/20/2010 1:55:14 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Well, much like a sock puppet, Putin does have his hand up Obummer’s backside.


57 posted on 12/20/2010 1:56:25 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: balls

don’t ammend it just kill it!!


58 posted on 12/20/2010 1:58:13 PM PST by dalereed
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To: Condor51

Read the treaty? Why, our “betters” don’t read 2,000+ page bills, how do you expect them to read a document that will govern strategic defense policy?


59 posted on 12/20/2010 1:59:39 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Army Air Corps
He should apologize for Russia. They have much to apologize for.

I have heard Putin say worse things about the USA than Obama has. Putin said that what the USA did in Vietnam was worse than Stalin's purges.

60 posted on 12/20/2010 1:59:48 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Yes, Putin is an asshat. I am not denying that. Our own president is an asshat. Both men have no respect for the US.


61 posted on 12/20/2010 2:02:00 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: balls

Road mobile ICBM’s and tactical nukes are not counted in this. It also prohibits missile defense by the US, and allows Russia to keep its current nuclear stockpiles. What more does Russia want?


62 posted on 12/20/2010 2:05:01 PM PST by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: balls

The Rooskies have been trying to get us to scrap our “Star Wars” ABM system since Gorbychov.

This is their last chance—Obama want’s us as helpless as any other 3rd World country real bad and Putin wants to help him.

ZOT START HARD!!!


63 posted on 12/20/2010 2:06:02 PM PST by Happy Rain ("Every Christmas the Leftist atheists become "hatetheists.")
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To: balls

Don’t don’t don’t let’s START.
I’ve got a broken heart.


64 posted on 12/20/2010 2:43:10 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL WASHINGTON! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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To: balls

65 posted on 12/20/2010 2:58:00 PM PST by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Army Air Corps

That ain’t no sock puppet or a hand. Putin being a man’s man and all. If this doesn’t give a clue to the Repubs in the Senate to stop all discussion or to amend the treaty until it is unratified, then nothing will.

Somebody call Scott Brown— what do you think NOW Scott? The russkies say don’t change anything and YOU AGREE WITH THEM???
Dependent upon the executive branch to negotiate (that’s a laugh) with the russians. What does the treaty say? The russians are ADDING to their stockpile and we have agreed to lower ours and no new technology- how smart is that?


66 posted on 12/20/2010 3:24:10 PM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: AdmSmith; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...

Just two more years of Obama, give or take...


67 posted on 12/20/2010 4:46:04 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: balls

“Russia Warns Senate Not to Amend Arms Control Treaty”

And I would warn the rooskies to be careful when they BITE ME!


68 posted on 12/20/2010 5:05:43 PM PST by chooseascreennamepat
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To: jersey117

Surely that’s a rhetorical question.


69 posted on 12/20/2010 6:00:21 PM PST by dools0007world
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To: balls

So now Hussein is bowing to the Russians.....and we are forced to follow suit?

Can anyone in the Senate even spell US SOVEREIGNTY???

(PS: he’s not bowing, he’s on his knees. And he won’t even get paid the hooker’s union $20 minimum)


70 posted on 12/20/2010 6:19:36 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

I have just one question for 0: What is in this treaty for us?


71 posted on 12/20/2010 6:42:34 PM PST by balls (Enough of the politically correct "progressive" label, they are LIBERALS!)
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To: balls
I have just one question for 0: What is in this treaty for us?

Bambi will take a page from Pelosi: "Let's ratify it and find out what's in it!"
72 posted on 12/20/2010 6:51:33 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Is that a They Might Be Giants reference?


73 posted on 12/20/2010 7:24:55 PM PST by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: balls

In other words, the treaty smells to high heaven like BS but yeah, let’s ratify the piece of garbage.....in a lameduck session to boot..... =.=


74 posted on 12/20/2010 9:20:04 PM PST by cranked
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To: balls

75 posted on 12/20/2010 10:42:16 PM PST by clearcarbon
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To: null and void

If one literally follows them both, then it would theoretically be possible to simultaneously reduce by exactly TWO, the number of significant problems facing the world...

I’ll write nothing more - don’t want trouble for FR, or men in suits knocking on my door...

A.A.C.


76 posted on 12/20/2010 11:23:22 PM PST by AmericanArchConservative (Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
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To: AmericanArchConservative

Say no more. Say no more. Nudge, nudge, wink, wink...


77 posted on 12/20/2010 11:39:29 PM PST by null and void (We are now in day 697 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: balls

Yob tvoyu maht, Tovarisch Putin.


78 posted on 12/21/2010 7:14:23 AM PST by ncson (America. This used to be such a nice place.)
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To: balls

“I found my thrill... on Capitol Hill...”


79 posted on 12/21/2010 7:25:00 AM PST by Califreak (November 2008 proved that Idiocracy isn't just a movie anymore)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
yes he would lol
80 posted on 12/21/2010 8:23:22 AM PST by Ancient Drive (DRINK COFFEE! - Do Stupid Things Faster with More Energy!)
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To: balls

It’s time to STOP START!


81 posted on 12/21/2010 9:03:41 AM PST by 2harddrive
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