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Russia Warns Senate Not to Amend Arms Control Treaty
nyt ^ | December 20, 2010 | PETER BAKER

Posted on 12/20/2010 10:54:25 AM PST by balls

WASHINGTON — Russia warned the United States Senate on Monday not to rewrite the new arms control treaty being debated on Capitol Hill as American lawmakers clashed about the politics of ratification in the waning days of the Congressional session.

Republican critics of the treaty, known as New Start, offered more amendments to the treaty’s language on verification and launcher limits. But any change to the treaty text would require both countries to return to the negotiating table, and Moscow made it clear that senators had to accept the treaty or reject it as it is, without amendments.

“I can only underscore that the strategic nuclear arms treaty, worked out on the strict basis of parity, in our view fully answers to the national interests of Russia and the United States,” Sergei Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, told the Interfax news agency on Monday. “It cannot be opened up and become the subject of new negotiations.”

The Russian statement provoked a sharp response from the leading Republican treaty opponent, Senator Jon Kyl of Arizona. “What’s wrong with that?” he asked of returning to the negotiating table to improve the treaty. “Unless you think the U.S. Constitution was really stupid to give the Senate a role in this, it doesn’t seem there’s anything wrong with the Senate saying, ‘You got about nine-tenths of it right.’ ”

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This should be enough to kill the bill, but it won't.
1 posted on 12/20/2010 10:54:28 AM PST by balls
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To: balls

Correction to my comment: Treaty not bill.


2 posted on 12/20/2010 10:55:46 AM PST by balls (Enough of the politically correct "progressive" label, they are LIBERALS!)
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To: balls

FUR. We’ll amend as we see fit.

I see fit to send the whole thing back to you ——unsigned.


3 posted on 12/20/2010 10:55:51 AM PST by exit82 (Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
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To: balls
Russia warned the United States Senate on Monday not to rewrite the new arms control treaty

Or they'll do what?

4 posted on 12/20/2010 10:58:43 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: balls

That statement should put all lawmakers on halt.


5 posted on 12/20/2010 10:59:58 AM PST by GoCards (Why me? Why not me?)
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To: balls

“It cannot be opened up and become the subject of new negotiations.”

Just fine....kill the bill


6 posted on 12/20/2010 11:00:17 AM PST by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: balls

This bellicose threat should give Senators pause. Do not modify the treaty, or what, Vlad?


7 posted on 12/20/2010 11:01:23 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Army Air Corps

Would you rather follow Putin or Obama into battle?


8 posted on 12/20/2010 11:06:05 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 697 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: balls

The Soviets always favored democrats in our national elections. Obviously when we hear the call by the Russians to go in one direction, the opposite course of action is the correct one.

So, what’ll it be, Senators — the Russians have given you your marching orders... WSY?


9 posted on 12/20/2010 11:06:25 AM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: null and void

I wouldn’t follow 0bama into K-Mart, much less battle.


10 posted on 12/20/2010 11:07:43 AM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: balls

And our leaders are cowering in the corner.


11 posted on 12/20/2010 11:07:48 AM PST by devistate one four ( jihad is a 2 way street! Kimber CDP II .45 OOHRAH! TET68)
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To: balls
Amendments???.... They can submit what they consider problematic (advice) but they can't amend.

Senate should be giving an up or down vote on this.

Russia has not signed off on this. They had....but they withdrew their signature.

12 posted on 12/20/2010 11:07:48 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: null and void

My questions is what is the “or else!” bit. Russia is very keen on this treaty being passed without any alteration, even to the supposedly non-binding preamble (if it is non-binding, then why fight for it to remain in the treaty?).


13 posted on 12/20/2010 11:09:05 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: null and void

Puitn, at least has his nation’s interests at heart.


14 posted on 12/20/2010 11:09:58 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: devistate one four

In the past, our national leaders would’ve stood tall and told the Soviets/Russians to piss off.

Now they just shiver, blow snot bubbles and wet their pants while the Russians laugh.


15 posted on 12/20/2010 11:10:21 AM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: Army Air Corps
Puitn, at least has his nation’s interests at heart.

He sure does. Much unlike the POS we have "leading" us.

16 posted on 12/20/2010 11:11:29 AM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: Sacajaweau
The Russians withdrew their signature? Man, I missed that one. When did this happen?
17 posted on 12/20/2010 11:12:41 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Army Air Corps

Bingo. Whatever else happens he supports Russia and for the most part the Russian people support him.

The occupier of our White House neither gives nor receives nor deserves the same respect.

Advantage: Russia.


18 posted on 12/20/2010 11:13:46 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 697 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Army Air Corps

Republican campaign ad. Plus it will get rid of the rinos.


19 posted on 12/20/2010 11:15:40 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Remember March 23, 1775. Remember March 23, 2010)
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To: null and void

Putin would wipe the floor with metrosexual Obama.


20 posted on 12/20/2010 11:16:38 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: balls
Or what? What will they do? Be mean to The Failed Obama Administration©. Putin, trust me, is wetting his pants laughing so hard at America. One of his “sleepers” in the White House and nobody on Earth cares a bit about the Cold War START II treaty. This is comedy. Pure global comedy watching the Democrats think any of this matters...
21 posted on 12/20/2010 11:18:59 AM PST by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: balls

Sounding a lot like NK and Iran.


22 posted on 12/20/2010 11:19:01 AM PST by Carley (PREPARE FOR THE REINSTATING OF THE MILITARY DRAFT)
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To: Army Air Corps

I read it maybe two weeks ago...Maybe google treaty russia signature withdrew...


23 posted on 12/20/2010 11:20:34 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: balls

Is obama & company taking orders from Russia now?


24 posted on 12/20/2010 11:25:51 AM PST by jersey117
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To: balls

No need to amend it, if it is voted DOWN!


25 posted on 12/20/2010 11:26:14 AM PST by 2harddrive
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To: Sacajaweau
Russia has not signed off on this. They had....but they withdrew their signature.

Which means that the only nation bound by it would be the US, which makes this one-each royal screw job.

26 posted on 12/20/2010 11:33:36 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: balls

27 posted on 12/20/2010 11:36:08 AM PST by americanophile
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To: balls

Trash it as it is!
No need to waste time re-writing it.....


28 posted on 12/20/2010 11:40:30 AM PST by G Larry (When you're right, avoid compromise!)
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To: ScottinVA

“I wouldn’t follow 0bama into K-Mart, much less battle.”
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Thanks for putting that the way I would. Have you noticed that most now would write it the other way? “I wouldn’t follow Obama into battle, much less K-Mart.”


29 posted on 12/20/2010 11:46:33 AM PST by RipSawyer
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To: balls
the strategic nuclear arms treaty, worked out on the strict basis of parity, in our view

"in our view" you mean the perspective of the kleptocratic remnant of the USSR?

"strict basis of parity"? This treaty needs to be renegotiated by people who actually love their country and want her and her ideals to win.

Obama, Hilary and their State Department couldn't win a game of checkers against a 5th grader. Why would we let them do our negotiating against lying tyrants that play chess?

30 posted on 12/20/2010 11:50:29 AM PST by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

I shudder at the thought of the current wimpy adinistration negotiating anything with the Russians. I can just see 0, in tears, as he plead with them to give a just a little so he can “make history”.


31 posted on 12/20/2010 12:00:31 PM PST by balls (Enough of the politically correct "progressive" label, they are LIBERALS!)
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To: balls

Keep all nukes, tell the Russians to deal with it.

It was Putin, after all, that put the nuke bombers back in the air.


32 posted on 12/20/2010 12:12:00 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: americanophile

They could never bury us, unless our nation was stupid enough to elect an effeminate, Marxist-Socialist rookie as CIC ...

uh oh ...


33 posted on 12/20/2010 12:14:26 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: F15Eagle

“At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it? Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never! All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth in their military chest; with a Bonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years. At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.”

- Abraham Lincoln


34 posted on 12/20/2010 12:17:07 PM PST by americanophile
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To: balls

Right, making history while destroying our future.


35 posted on 12/20/2010 12:17:15 PM PST by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: null and void

Putin. No brainer.


36 posted on 12/20/2010 12:40:59 PM PST by ichabod1 (Hail Mary Full of Grace, The Lord Is With Thee...)
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To: balls
Russia warned the United States Senate on Monday not to rewrite the new arms control treaty being debated on Capitol Hill

Russia 'Warned' us?

Yo Vlad, you better remember that American Citizens aren't limp wristed wussies like that guy whose pretending to be president.

So eat sh*t and die, Ruskie!

37 posted on 12/20/2010 12:41:36 PM PST by Condor51 (SAT CONG!)
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To: balls

"Forget Anna Chapman, Obama.
You are our deepest best agent, ever."

38 posted on 12/20/2010 12:47:28 PM PST by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: potlatch
0PANSY BOWLS A HUGE 37 SCORE

39 posted on 12/20/2010 12:50:02 PM PST by devolve (. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0ponzi Version 9.8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . .)
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To: Condor51
Let me understand, this proposed treaty is backed by, Obama, VP Biteme,James Baker,Henry Kiss my accents ass,Madam Al Dim,Richard Luger and Vald. The host of the enlightened. What the hell is in this that makes all these parties want it passed? Inquiring minds want to know. My best guess is it bends us all over and enslaves us to world government. Just my two cents.
40 posted on 12/20/2010 12:51:41 PM PST by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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To: balls
Seems simple enough on the surface. Re-write the treaty, send it back to the negotiating table.

The Russians withdrew their previous signature? Then it's up for re-negotiation from their side regardless.

When our Executive branch leaders or representatives "sign", it doesn't have the force of law until our Senate ratifies. So don't ratify, just send it back with amendments.

Meanwhile, we keep what we have, re-invigorate it, and double or triple-down on what we supply to nations on their borders, in comparison to whatever Putin sells to Hugo, the tyrant.

Not tit-for-tat, but 2X or 3X.

And don't blink.

41 posted on 12/20/2010 12:56:33 PM PST by BlueDragon
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To: potlatch
DEVOLVE LAST BOWLED A DINKY 235

42 posted on 12/20/2010 12:56:39 PM PST by devolve (. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0ponzi Version 9.8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . .)
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To: null and void

Here’s the answer to your about “Would you rather follow Putin or Obama into battle?” Putin, hands down!!! Why? Obama cannot even control his elitist,American hating wife who regularly disses him and rapes American taxpayers with her outrageous cost expenditures like flying to Hawaii at additional taxpayer expense rather then wait for her useless incompetent husband to take care of the people’s business which he was elected to do!!! Obama dies not the capability to lead a kindergarden class to the boys & girls bathrooms!!!


43 posted on 12/20/2010 1:03:05 PM PST by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: balls

kill this treaty


44 posted on 12/20/2010 1:04:16 PM PST by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now and in the future)
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To: balls

Who the hell are they to tell us what to do? Oh, wait........


45 posted on 12/20/2010 1:07:08 PM PST by ducttape45
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To: GoCards
This is all the more reason to kill it. Signing this must be to their advantage and makes us look weak.
46 posted on 12/20/2010 1:23:48 PM PST by opentalk
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To: balls

Mr. McConnell accused President Obama and the Democrats of politicizing the treaty by pressing to ratify it before a new Senate takes office in January, with five more Republicans than the current Senate.

National Security should be a nonpartisan. A treaty shouldn’t be rushed without long debate.


47 posted on 12/20/2010 1:32:36 PM PST by Java4Jay
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To: balls

Would Ronald Reagan approve this treaty?

Monday’s Press Conference with John Bolton and others;

There are many reasons why this treaty falls short of those negotiated by President Reagan. For one thing, its verification regime is inadequate. For another, it gives the Kremlin an unwarranted influence over the structure of our nuclear deterrent. Most important, it will almost certainly reduce our freedom to deploy vital defenses against ballistic missiles.

http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/p18600.xml


48 posted on 12/20/2010 1:43:29 PM PST by Java4Jay
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To: null and void
I would never follow Putin into battle because it would mean betraying my country and everything I believe in and joining the forces of darkness and evil.
49 posted on 12/20/2010 1:45:54 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

And following Obama wouldn’t?


50 posted on 12/20/2010 1:47:27 PM PST by null and void (We are now in day 697 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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