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Collapse - Republican opposition to New START is collapsing
National Review Online - The Corner ^ | 12/21/10 | Rich Lowry

Posted on 12/21/2010 7:54:11 AM PST by Fury

Republican opposition to New START is collapsing. One Senate source just told me the vote for ratification could go as high as 75. Another said, “I don’t know if it will get that high, but it’s starting to tick up there.” As the sense builds that ratification is inevitable, Republicans are lining up to get on the “right side.” Lamar Alexander’s support, noted below, is a crucial sign of which way the wind is blowing, although he’ll probably be the only member of the Republican leadership to vote for it. At least Jon Kyl was able to get more money for modernization and that letter from President Obama making assurances on missile defense. Otherwise, this is a dismaying rout.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Russia
KEYWORDS: 111th; armsreduction; gop; newstart; obama; palin; republicans; rinos; start; treason
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To: Sprite518

Well the GOP is off to a shaky start. What else is new? They are the disappointment that keeps on disappointing.


101 posted on 12/21/2010 9:30:02 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Fury

These damned, infernal RINOs keep confounding us all the time!

To hell with the Republicrat Party! Time for a truly legitimate third party that would shellac both parties!


102 posted on 12/21/2010 9:33:14 AM PST by IbJensen ("How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think"-A. Hitler)
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To: Blogger

They will be in office soon enough but I’m going to err on the side of caution and remain cynical. They will let us down.


103 posted on 12/21/2010 9:33:42 AM PST by Soothesayer (smallpox is not a person)
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To: GailA

I’m on hold.


104 posted on 12/21/2010 9:35:18 AM PST by cornelis
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To: ScottinVA
This treaty totally ignores the expanding nuclear capability of China. What will happen if China and Russia decide that together they can launch a preemptive nuclear strike on the US AND WIN?

“THERE IS A BAD MOON ARISING” (Credence Clear Water Revival)

105 posted on 12/21/2010 9:35:19 AM PST by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist, Iconoclast: THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR.)
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To: hflynn

The only “compelling” reason is that it probably WON’T get ratified with 6 new, non RINO senators.


106 posted on 12/21/2010 9:36:12 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

The sole purpose of the Republican Party is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party.


107 posted on 12/21/2010 9:37:11 AM PST by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: Fury
I propose that the GOP symbol be changed from the noble and dignified and courageous elephant to.....A LAME DUCK!

I know some graphics expert FReeper can do this.

108 posted on 12/21/2010 9:37:14 AM PST by clintonh8r ("Let them eat lobster cake." Michele Antoinette, vacation #6.)
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To: Fury

Republicans are lining up to get on the “right side.”

Excuse me, the “right” side is NOT Obama’s and Mother Russia’s!


109 posted on 12/21/2010 9:39:02 AM PST by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: Fury

Tactical nukes: The Soviets have a 10:1 advantage over us in this area. This treaty freezes that advantage.

The letter from Obama has no relevance to the treaty with the Soviets. The treaty stands as written.

The treaty’s language needs revision, defining the differences between offensive and defensive nukes.

Corker’s republican cohorts are RINOs... Traitors


110 posted on 12/21/2010 9:40:57 AM PST by Java4Jay
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To: Fury

just keep tabs on how many become lobbyists for Lukoil after we defeat them


111 posted on 12/21/2010 9:41:37 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: ScottinVA

I just called McConnell and told him to drag Alexander and Coker (two rats from Tennessee) and the rest of the RINOs into the cloakroom and tell them that backing START is a really bad move. Pissing us off can be dangerous.

They’ve joined the rest of the liberal pansies many times to shred and wipe their asses on the Constitution, but the majority of Americans won’t stand for this treason any longer!!!!!!


112 posted on 12/21/2010 9:44:15 AM PST by IbJensen ("How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think"-A. Hitler)
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To: GailA

Thanks for the message. I called and left a cogent message, for all the damned good it will do.


113 posted on 12/21/2010 9:45:10 AM PST by IbJensen ("How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think"-A. Hitler)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I would rather let everyone in the Senate go home and force the Democrats who will be returning to listen to the people who elected them on the START treaty then have the vote. I also think denying Obama success, if even temporarily, is always the best course for Republicans.
114 posted on 12/21/2010 9:52:31 AM PST by hflynn
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To: clintonh8r

Neutered puppy is more appropriate.


115 posted on 12/21/2010 9:53:02 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: hflynn
I also think denying Obama success, if even temporarily, is always the best course for Republicans.

Princess Lisa said that is just mean. After all, if Obama succeeds, then we all succeed (so sayeth Princess Lisa).
116 posted on 12/21/2010 9:56:08 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Fury

How can opposition be collapsing when the admin is still refusing to release the negotiating record?!


117 posted on 12/21/2010 9:58:08 AM PST by mewzilla (Hey, Schumer, how's that Lockerbie bomber deal investigation coming along?)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
The GOP “leadership” in the Senate cannot even hold party members together for a proper filibuster. The new blood will mean litle, so long as the leadership is eager to whore themselves.
118 posted on 12/21/2010 9:58:08 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Fury

A whole bunch of R’s need to get the boot out the door asap.


119 posted on 12/21/2010 9:58:58 AM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: mewzilla
Morning Bell: Release the START Negotiating Record
120 posted on 12/21/2010 9:59:18 AM PST by mewzilla (Hey, Schumer, how's that Lockerbie bomber deal investigation coming along?)
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To: mewzilla

Beacuase they want to “get it over with” and go on vacation. “Screw you and you family, tax drone.”


121 posted on 12/21/2010 9:59:32 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Fury
This morning Johnny Isakson (R-GA) announced that he will vote for confirmation of the treaty.

I'm ashamed that I ever voted for that man. I should have known all along that he hasn't changed his political colors, he was always a RINO in GA politics and at the national level he still is. If Herman Cain can't get the GOP presidential nomination I hope he goes for the seat Isakson now holds. Electing a rock-solid conservative black man such as Cain to the US Senate would be the best thing GA could do for the US. Short of electing him president that is.

122 posted on 12/21/2010 10:02:08 AM PST by epow ( A soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger. Proverbs 15:1)
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To: Irenic; ballplayer

I believe the post you make reference to was a vanity by ballplayer. I stood against the thread. I now admit my mistake. ballplayer, I ask for your forgiveness.


123 posted on 12/21/2010 10:03:23 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Bless and Protect Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Fury

Understand that someday an administration that takes its national defense responsibilities seriously will have to break this treaty and all that entails.


124 posted on 12/21/2010 10:05:40 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Palin 2012: don't retreat, just reload)
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To: Lazamataz
I believe you and I and another FReeper owe ballplayer an apology.
125 posted on 12/21/2010 10:05:51 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Bless and Protect Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Fury

Mitch McConnell has to change his name to “Bitch” if this is true.

Because he is Obama’s.

There is no reason this treaty vote should take place now. It can wait two weeks until the next Congress is seated.

We need legislation that says that a Lame Duck Congress will pass no legislation unless national security is in imminent danger.

We have Senators voting on this treaty that will not be Senators in two weeks, and after the Congress goes home for Christmas, will no longer vote on any issue.

I don’t know if the GOP can be saved. These RINOs and no-spine Republicans just don’t care enough about my country, and that is becoming increasingly evident.


126 posted on 12/21/2010 10:09:00 AM PST by exit82 (Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
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To: Fury

Geez....The Republicans are letting this Lame Duck Congress have EVERYTHING on their Agenda....The only good news is the Dems didn’t get their budget.....


127 posted on 12/21/2010 10:22:07 AM PST by jakerobins
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To: Fury; ballplayer

Since the thread was started by you, I should comment. There was a few threads, by ballplayer, and these points were pointed out and all of what has happened would come to pass due to a deal having been made. ballplayer posted, from what I read at the one thread I saw, plus other threads relating to this subject and ballplayer tried to warn a deal had been made. ballplayer, come on out here and give me my lumps. I humbly await your arrival. I need kicking in the teeth for this mistake. ballplayer, you were correct. I will not ask you how you knew. It is none of my business.


128 posted on 12/21/2010 10:26:11 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Bless and Protect Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Fury

Generals, Diplomats Warn of New START

More than 30 former defense or foreign policy government officials and related experts issued an open letter to the Senate Monday expressing their professional judgment that President Barack Obamas proposed nuclear weapons reduction treaty with the Russians, called New START, is not consistent with the national security interests of the United States, and should be rejected by the U.S. Senate

http://messageboards.aol.com/aol/en_us/articles.php?boardId=551411&articleId=641955&func=6&channel=Member+Guided+News&filterRead=false&filterHidden=true&filterUnhidden=false


129 posted on 12/21/2010 10:34:46 AM PST by Java4Jay
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To: Fury

With liberals running the government, who needs hostile states trying to destroy us?

Why even have two parties in the Senate?


130 posted on 12/21/2010 10:49:47 AM PST by Tzimisce (It's just another day in Obamaland.)
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To: ScottinVA

The adults in our nation have grown tired of fighting the children. I’m not talking about age-wise of course. It’s the cooler heads who have finally watched as the idiots among us got what they demanded.

In years to come the rest of us will pay a very heavy price for what the ‘the children’ demanded.

“But this is the result of you getting what you wanted...”

Our future has become very shakey.


131 posted on 12/21/2010 11:04:16 AM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: Ben Ficklin

Dude, your ignorant use of “neocon” speaks volumes. Which neocon school teaches that we should sh*tcan 70% of what the federal government does and return to strict constitutional conservatism? Which neocon school wants us to get the hell out of the World Bank, the WTO, NAFTA and cut foreign aid down to the bone? Which neocon branch supports my contention that SS and Medicare need to be ditched altogether? Which neocon group is pushing for the re-indutrialization of America instead of the utopian wetdream called “free trade”? And which neocon is out there demanding that we shovel ALL the illegal aliens out the door?

You presume that because I don’t trust Putin or Obama to do ANYTHING in the best interests of the United States, that I’m a neocon? LOL. Try anti-communist.


132 posted on 12/21/2010 11:10:44 AM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Fury

This thread is filled with premature anger at all Republican office-holders.

At the state level the Tea Party helped the GOP clean up like you wouldn’t believe. Bodes better things for the future. Now that we have hundreds and hundreds more Tea Party endorsed winning candidates at the grassroots level, people here want to run against them and oust them before they get going, because of what the RINO cavers are doing in the Senate lame duck. Huh?

Here’s what’s coming up as soon as the new Senators arrive. In ND, John Hoeven for Byron Dorgan. In Utah, Mike Lee for Bob Bennett. In AR, John Boozeman for Blanche Lincoln. In FL, Marco Rubio for Mel Martinez/George LeMieux. In Indiana, Dan Coats for Evan Bayh. In WI, Ron Johnson for Russ Feingold. In IL, Kirk for Obama’s seat (yes I know he’s RINO). In PA, Toomey for Specter. In MO, Roy Blount for Kit Bond. In KY, Rand Paul for Jim Bunning. In NH, Kelly Ayotte for Judd Gregg.

Already in the Senate we have men like Jim DeMint and Jeff Sessions who are unbelievably stalwart.

The House will have 63 new Reps.

I say if either McConnell or Boehner fall down after the cavalry comes, they will pay for it.

I do realize that not every new Republican will be perfect on every issue. Even Toomey said if he had been there he would have supported the repeal of DADT.

Not often do I agree with Lindsay Graham. But when he said they should have shut down the lame duck after “have to deal with now” issues were dealt with because these people were voted against or were retiring and should not be voting on all this other stuff, I had to agree. No matter who voted how on which matters, the whole thing is a total affront to the voters who spoke in November. And he is right to note that Harry Reid made mincemeat out of Senate Republicans. Just walked all over them, with their help.

I have enough sense not to damn them all but only the ones who clearly, personally deserve it.

I have enough sense to expect we will consolidate the gains we voted for in November, instead of trying to unseat all the people we just now put in all over this nation merely because they ran as Republicans and for no other reason.


133 posted on 12/21/2010 11:11:57 AM PST by txrangerette ("...HOLD TO THE TRUTH; SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck -)
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To: Pride in the USA

What a horrible day (or week, really) for our country. And now the FCC has granted themselves the authority to regulate the internet too. And we have Rush phoning it in and making today Donovan McNabb day. I can’t stand it.


134 posted on 12/21/2010 11:13:08 AM PST by lonevoice (Where the Welfare State is on the march, the Police State is not far behind)
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To: hflynn
"the best course for Republicans."

Unfortunately, we have approximately 10 RINOs who would rather bee invited to a Rat cocktail party than protect the rights of the people of the United States.

135 posted on 12/21/2010 11:13:25 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: DoughtyOne

or nonexistent (future) in the not to distant future. The future will not be what I remember of the past. I can see no way this will be possible now. The rule of law is almost gone. The executive, legislative, and the court is ignoring their own decisions, of the past, and now institute new order. I wanted to believe the Republic could stand. There are no guarantees on the Republic standing anymore. So what to do? FCC can shut down anyone they desire? All the scorched earth in the year of 2010 against the Freedoms American have known from the beginning, are nearly dust in the wind. I hang my head in shame. I did not fight hard enough to keep this from taking place.


136 posted on 12/21/2010 11:16:52 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Bless and Protect Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Blogger

You are right, they aren’t.

But the leadership of the Republican party is in Congress and selling us out.

Do you expect any different when the young blood comes in?

I don’t.

We didn’t win anything, The Republicans are no better than the Democrats it is only spelled differently.


137 posted on 12/21/2010 11:17:19 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Venturer

>> Do you expect any different when the young blood comes in?

Yes.


138 posted on 12/21/2010 11:20:32 AM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: cpdiii

“...What will happen if China and Russia decide that together they can launch a preemptive nuclear strike...”

Don’t worry. Field Marshall Lamar Alexander has suddenly decided we’ll have enough surviving nukes to blast everybody. What we need is more “transparency”...so there will be no surviving U.S. power.


139 posted on 12/21/2010 11:20:45 AM PST by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: Fury

Add one more. In OH, Portman for Voinivich. Got to be an improvement. GV was AWFUL.


140 posted on 12/21/2010 11:22:09 AM PST by txrangerette ("...HOLD TO THE TRUTH; SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck -)
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To: Gene Eric

You will learn.


141 posted on 12/21/2010 11:23:02 AM PST by sport
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To: no-to-illegals

I didn’t do enough...

Well, that’s better than knowing you fought for all that will bring us down. Sadly, they aren’t the only ones who will pay.


142 posted on 12/21/2010 11:24:28 AM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: epow

Johnny Isakson has no backbone. One would think that being the ugliest man in Georgia would have been character building or something but he is turning into the worst of everything: an ugly inside-the-beltway trendy-set zip-wad.


143 posted on 12/21/2010 11:24:36 AM PST by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: no-to-illegals

Correction:

I didn’t do enough...

Well, that’s better than knowing you fought for all that brought us down. Sadly, they aren’t the only ones who will pay.


144 posted on 12/21/2010 11:25:12 AM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: Servant of the Cross

Thank you, I felt pretty sure of his position, but didn’t have a quote to go by.


145 posted on 12/21/2010 11:26:04 AM PST by izzatzo
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To: sport

It’s not a question of learning, but accepting.


146 posted on 12/21/2010 11:28:55 AM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: Army Air Corps
Princess Lisa said that is just mean. After all, if Obama succeeds, then we all succeed (so sayeth Princess Lisa).

Princess Lisa has a lot to answer for but she didn't have a vote in passing, if it is passed, the START Treaty.

147 posted on 12/21/2010 11:31:30 AM PST by hflynn
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To: TexasFreeper2009

That and killing the Omnibus-—for now.

I thought Harry dropped it very suddenly. He had a deal and was happy with it.

Omnibus will be back, count on it.


148 posted on 12/21/2010 11:32:24 AM PST by Scanian
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To: hflynn

I am speaking to her stated position that helping Obama succeed is her objective.


149 posted on 12/21/2010 11:33:56 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Fury

“Republican opposition to New START is collapsing.”

Substitute anything for New START.


150 posted on 12/21/2010 11:34:30 AM PST by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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