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Collapse - Republican opposition to New START is collapsing
National Review Online - The Corner ^ | 12/21/10 | Rich Lowry

Posted on 12/21/2010 7:54:11 AM PST by Fury

Republican opposition to New START is collapsing. One Senate source just told me the vote for ratification could go as high as 75. Another said, “I don’t know if it will get that high, but it’s starting to tick up there.” As the sense builds that ratification is inevitable, Republicans are lining up to get on the “right side.” Lamar Alexander’s support, noted below, is a crucial sign of which way the wind is blowing, although he’ll probably be the only member of the Republican leadership to vote for it. At least Jon Kyl was able to get more money for modernization and that letter from President Obama making assurances on missile defense. Otherwise, this is a dismaying rout.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Russia
KEYWORDS: 111th; armsreduction; gop; newstart; obama; palin; republicans; rinos; start; treason
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To: TexasFreeper2009

It is now starting to look like the Republicans traded DADT, START, and the 99 week extension of unemployment benefits for the 2 year extension of the tax cuts....
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That was posted somewhere on FR a few days back, wasn’t it? That the republicans had agreed to that. Appears it was true.

Wasn’t even tax-cuts either, taxes stayed the same except the death tax came back. So, it was a tax increase.


51 posted on 12/21/2010 8:20:09 AM PST by Irenic
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To: backwoods-engineer

I had a sick feeling that this was the real tax compromise. Reid/Pelosi/Obama agreed to pass a Bush tax cut extension, if the GOP let DADT repeal pass and the START treaty pass. I’m glad DREAM Act wasn’t part of the deal. Everything since the tax rate extension compromise came out is just theater, IMO. It is a done deal. It is really sickening that the GOP would do this after the 2010 elections. What a bunch of wussie, unprincipled cowards.


52 posted on 12/21/2010 8:22:16 AM PST by KansasGirl
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To: GailA

Thanks but the number is busy. Will try later.


53 posted on 12/21/2010 8:23:12 AM PST by Sprite518
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To: Fury

You are finding out that the last election meant nothing.

And that there is no reason to think that elections will ever mean anything again.


54 posted on 12/21/2010 8:23:44 AM PST by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: Fury

Does anyone know what time the rubber-stamping Congress of Peoples’ Deputies (let’s just call it what it really is) “votes” on this?


55 posted on 12/21/2010 8:24:12 AM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: Fury

“The last six Republican secretaries of state support the treaty.”

Yes, and we know what the State Department is, even with a Republican appointee as SOS. But, I’d be willing to bet John Bolton(former UN ambassador) doesn’t endorse the SALT, and he’s the only GOP appointee type whose opinion I trust.


56 posted on 12/21/2010 8:24:28 AM PST by izzatzo
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To: Java4Jay

Well, as some have opined, I am not among them, our salvation lies with the new Congress. This is akin to a Jew in Germany going to the local NAZI Party headquarters for help. I hope things will change, but, I have been burned too many times to expect it.


57 posted on 12/21/2010 8:25:03 AM PST by sport
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To: Fury

What back room deals are being promised by Obama for their signatures. I betcha these idiots have not even read the unsigned treaty by the Soviets. remember it is yet unsigned by the oviets and guess what Obama will change the treaty after it is passed in America - lets see he will probably give Alaska back to the Russkies. There is more to this than just the treaty - Obama is surrendering some American Sovereignity over to Russia


58 posted on 12/21/2010 8:25:08 AM PST by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: Fury
I dare the Republican Party to call and ask me for money now.

C'mon, you geniuses--give me a buzz...you'll get an earful.

59 posted on 12/21/2010 8:26:07 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: lonevoice

ping


60 posted on 12/21/2010 8:28:03 AM PST by Pride in the USA
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To: Fury
Nothing more than this...


61 posted on 12/21/2010 8:30:12 AM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: Fury

START = Stupid Traitors And Russian Treaties


62 posted on 12/21/2010 8:31:34 AM PST by crosshairs (The word for actor in Greek is hypocrite (its true).)
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To: Sprite518

I had to keep hitting redial.


63 posted on 12/21/2010 8:31:38 AM PST by GailA (NO JESUS, NO CHRISTmas!)
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To: KansasGirl; All

Relax, it can't get any worse....said the frog.
64 posted on 12/21/2010 8:32:29 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: Fury

Isakson’s phone if off the hook. The answer machine in Ga says they are not answering the phones, leave a message. Whoops! Mailbox full.....no surprise there.

When they refuse to answer their damned phones it shows them up for the @ussies they are.


65 posted on 12/21/2010 8:33:31 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: GailA

Busy like you will not believe.


66 posted on 12/21/2010 8:35:08 AM PST by DarthVader (That which supports Barack Hussein Obama must be sterilized and there are NO exceptions!)
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To: Fury
These idiots need to be reminded that the first purpose of government is to keep us safe.

STOP START!

67 posted on 12/21/2010 8:35:58 AM PST by 444Flyer ("The contest for ages has been to rescue liberty from the grasp of executive power." -Daniel Webster)
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To: Fury

This is precisely WHY I “Left That Other Site”! (A “Republican” site, rather than a Conservative Site!)

Thank God for FR, where we will not tolerate this capitulating RINO BS.


68 posted on 12/21/2010 8:36:15 AM PST by left that other site (Your MiQ-MaQ Paddy Wacky Bass-Playing Biker Buddy(El Kabong))
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To: Fury

WHISKEY
TANGO
FOXTROT

OVER


69 posted on 12/21/2010 8:37:26 AM PST by Lazamataz (If Illegal Aliens are Undocumented Workers, then Thieves are Undocumented Shoppers.)
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To: ScottinVA

And they have to obey orders, as we all know. If the “dear leader” tells them to say, “I am a Sasquatch hell-bent on destroying this nation” that’s what they have to say.

That’s where America is at right now.

I do wonder what threat Obama/Soros is using against these people. During the destabilization phase of a communist coup the critical infrastructure is captured: banking, military, courts, etc. Once those are gone the rest will naturally follow in due time. Soros can give some concessions like the Dream Act but if this is truly the destabilization phase of the coup then they will do whatever it takes to get the critical infrastructure, and that’s what Obama/Soros is doing in spite of the lame-duck Congress and a Senate with enough R’s to filibuster until the R’s are the majority in the House.

There have to be threats involved. There is no reason for the R’s to cave. No reason for Alexander to cave - especially after he had just said that he hates how this is being forced RIGHT NOW. Who lit the fire under him and how? If he didn’t like this being crammed down our throats then why did he all of a sudden open wide?

His constituents need to ask him that in a very POINTED way. It stinks to high heaven and he needs to give an answer. He also needs to know that his refusal to just hold the line until there is time for people to think this through will contaminate the Republican label all over the country.

I am so sick of these people force-feeding the nation a crap sandwich right at Christmas time. Nothing like being raped for the holidays. Everybody smile and say Merry Christmas and then everything will be fine. These people need to go home for Christmas and get what’s coming to them. Like Ben Nelson got last year when he tried to eat at a pizza place after the Cornhusker Kickback. This Cornhusker would like to kick back a lot of folks who come back to the state with the stench of the DC cesspool on them.


70 posted on 12/21/2010 8:37:42 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Mouton; All

Take names? How many more times are you folks going to keep saying this.

We are going to CONTINUE down the corrupt totalitarian craphole until we forcibly stop these SOBs. The Republic is DEAD!

Why doesn’t anyone here get it?


71 posted on 12/21/2010 8:38:20 AM PST by Soothesayer (smallpox is not a person)
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To: ScottinVA
Go to hell, GOP.
72 posted on 12/21/2010 8:40:41 AM PST by Lazamataz (If Illegal Aliens are Undocumented Workers, then Thieves are Undocumented Shoppers.)
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To: Lazamataz

Agreed, Tea Party all the way in 2010, the GOP is over in 2012 ...


73 posted on 12/21/2010 8:41:38 AM PST by Scythian
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To: Fury
Surrender

To

A

Russian

Threat

74 posted on 12/21/2010 8:42:36 AM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: ballplayer

Okay. Now you are beginning to look right. DeMint might have known something after all.


75 posted on 12/21/2010 8:42:39 AM PST by Lazamataz (If Illegal Aliens are Undocumented Workers, then Thieves are Undocumented Shoppers.)
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To: ScottinVA
Looks like my personal decision to exit the GOP was a good one.

Can I be honest?

I'm surprised there is a single conservative left in that party..

76 posted on 12/21/2010 8:42:54 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit.)
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To: hampdenkid

I don’t think this is a House issue. Treaties are the stuff of the Senate.

I just don’t understand why the Republicans just don’t hunker down and state that this can wait until the new congress goes in session.

Anything pushed through in this manner is suspect, period.

Those voting for this, if for no other reason that the damn thing can wait...dag it was negotiated in april for God’s sake, Lord there’s your talking points....should be UNELECTED in 2012.

They’re banking that the electorate will forget all about some meaningless treaty in 2012, these pubs voting for this thing. And they could be right. Damn the American public and what’s right for the country. And they’re getting something for it too, don’t know what...but they’re not doing this out of the goodness of their heart.

The creation of a Political Elite Ruling Class is what’s going on here and nothing less.


77 posted on 12/21/2010 8:44:31 AM PST by Fishtalk (Dance like nobody's watching; Sing like nobody's listening; Blog like nobody's reading.)
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To: Ben Ficklin

While I suspect there is more to this, you make a very good point.


78 posted on 12/21/2010 8:46:47 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Fury

As 1 Thes.5:3 reads: “For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.”

I really am convinced that our elected officials are demonically controlled and influenced these days. It is more important for them to appear to be on the “winning side” than to do what is right.

America is now less safe as a result. And the average American citizen will be the first ones to be directly influenced by this Treaty. Not these senators who will have access to a fallout free bunker.


79 posted on 12/21/2010 8:46:58 AM PST by TMA62 (Al Sharpton - The North Korea of race relations)
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To: Soothesayer

“When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain (legislative, executive, and judicial branches of the United States government) is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world...”

Let’s start the current list.


80 posted on 12/21/2010 8:47:05 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: deep

I would at least give the new Congress a few months after being sworn in before we write them off completely.

You may be right, but we need to give them a chance to take the oath of office first.


81 posted on 12/21/2010 8:47:53 AM PST by Clump (the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: scbison

We voted for change and got sh!t on by Republicans.


82 posted on 12/21/2010 8:50:02 AM PST by Venturer
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To: wilco200
Has white guilt really made these numbnuts willing to sabotage the USA?

notachance...more likely that being prince still means a seat at the table and gated security from the rabble and gruel lines...

83 posted on 12/21/2010 8:52:50 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: pissant

We sell our souls to the Russians, but do nothing about the nuclear threats posed by Iran and North Korea. Good Lord, is there one functioning brain cell left in Washington?


84 posted on 12/21/2010 8:53:14 AM PST by fhayek
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To: fhayek

Iran and North Korea??? what about China!!!??
how many nukes do the ChiComs have aim at us?


85 posted on 12/21/2010 8:58:05 AM PST by timetostand (Ya say ya wanna revolution -- OK!)
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To: izzatzo
AMB. JOHN BOLTON: Senators, Think Long and Hard Before You Rush to Vote on START
86 posted on 12/21/2010 8:59:07 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (I'm with Jim DeMint ... on the fringe!)
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To: Fury; roses of sharon
12-17-10 - GOP Senator to Dems: If you try to pass DADT, Republicans won't pass START

Corker ... You Lie!

87 posted on 12/21/2010 9:00:57 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (I'm with Jim DeMint ... on the fringe!)
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To: timetostand

Of course you are right. START would trash missile defense systems. In effect, what we are trading off with the Russians, we are giving the Chinese for free. And the Russians will cheat before the ink is dry...


88 posted on 12/21/2010 9:01:21 AM PST by fhayek
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To: Mouton

i’m calling now!


89 posted on 12/21/2010 9:02:15 AM PST by tutstar
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To: Fury

It’s time to STOP START!


90 posted on 12/21/2010 9:02:20 AM PST by 2harddrive
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To: GailA

Okay just got through. I was very polite and kind with the woman on the phone. She did sound stressed out. Told her what I thought very nice and she said she would pass it on. Some how I have a feeling it will not get passed on. Perhaps I will write a letter?


91 posted on 12/21/2010 9:02:46 AM PST by Sprite518
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

I’ve been trying to call Isakson’s office too, voice mail boxes in GA and DC are both full, my guess is that they’re just ignoring any new messages, he doesn’t care. I’m pretty sure he’s been offered some kind of “deal” behind closed doors for his vote...that’s how it works.. sent several emails telling Isakson that he is a fool to trust Obama/Russians on Missile Defense...


92 posted on 12/21/2010 9:12:14 AM PST by PCRit
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To: Fury

On FoxNews Sunday, Sen. Durbin said that they knew they had at least 66 votes then.

So, who is surprised the the Pubbies are folding?

That is what they do. That is who they are. They want so much to be liked by the media and the opposition that they will do just about anything. And they know, they know, Lucy is going to pull the football away at every chance.


93 posted on 12/21/2010 9:14:37 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: redgolum
"While I suspect there is more to this"

Yes there is more to it, such as TN Senators Alexander and Corker are interested in how much of the maintenance and up grade money will be spent at Oak Ridge Natl Labs located in TN while GA Senator Isakson has the same concerns about how much will be spent at Savannah River Labs in GA.

94 posted on 12/21/2010 9:15:58 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: ScottinVA

Of course, our "military leaders" would say that. THEY'RE TOLD PAID TO SAY THAT!!!!


95 posted on 12/21/2010 9:18:06 AM PST by OBXWanderer (I'm up against a hard break...)
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To: 444Flyer

“Peace Through Weakness”


96 posted on 12/21/2010 9:19:31 AM PST by Rational Thought
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To: Fury

If I had a hard job that needed to be done right, I’d call Reid to do it before I’d call McConnell.


97 posted on 12/21/2010 9:20:21 AM PST by Crawdad (Obamacare will lead to back-alley physicals.)
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To: PCRit

Lindsay Graham is on the right side of this issue. He is making sense as well.


98 posted on 12/21/2010 9:23:31 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Venturer

The people you voted for aren’t all in Congress yet. Pipe down.


99 posted on 12/21/2010 9:25:23 AM PST by Blogger
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To: butterdezillion

I strongly doubt that this generation has the guts to do what needs to be done.

I’m ready to die to restore the Republic and I don’t even have a family to worry about. It seems like most people are more worried about Christmas shopping deals than securing a healthy future for their children. It’s sickening.


100 posted on 12/21/2010 9:28:42 AM PST by Soothesayer (smallpox is not a person)
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