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Senate Democrats Channeling Woodrow Wilson In Upcoming Power Grab
Orlando Political Press ^ | December 26, 2012 | Tom Tillison

Posted on 12/26/2010 5:57:53 AM PST by SterlingSilver

What we are witnessing today is a power grab to advance an ideology, pure and simple. A power grab by an arrogant, condescending group of individuals who do not wish to be restrained by the confines put in place by our Founding Fathers.

Individuals who feel they are superior to the greatest collection of minds in the history of human kind.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: filibuster; powergrab; senate; senaterules
The U.S. Senate was designed by our Founding Fathers to be a more deliberative body “to restrain, if possible, the fury of democracy”, as was so eloquently put by Virginia delegate Edmund Randolph at the time. To slow the process down.

In the face of a dwindling majority, we see the Progressive wing of the Democrat Party making a now familiar attempt to make up the rules as they go along. Can the new Republican/Conservative Members elected in November hold off this powergrab? And, will the American public have their backs as the stand off against the Progressives takes shape?

1 posted on 12/26/2010 5:58:01 AM PST by SterlingSilver
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To: SterlingSilver

Our Founding Fathers also intended the Senate to consist of persons chosen by state legislators, not directly elected by the people.

As far as changing the rules of the fillibuster, the Constitution clearly states that each body will set their own rules. So the Senate can change their own rules any time they wish.


2 posted on 12/26/2010 6:02:15 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: SterlingSilver

ping


3 posted on 12/26/2010 6:08:01 AM PST by GailA (NO JESUS, NO CHRISTmas!)
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To: Yo-Yo
I, like many, would like to see the Constitution changed back to the concept, as originally intended by the Founding Fathers, that the Senate would consist of person's chosen by State Legislators. This would put more power in the hands of the States and clean up much of the stupidity and corrupt influence involved in electing US Senators under the present format...

And, regarding the change in rules, in my opinion and I believe that of the author of the article is that making such changes need be level handed and not driven to obstruct important tools for one side of the isle, but not apply to the other side...

4 posted on 12/26/2010 6:11:38 AM PST by SterlingSilver (If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck and quacks like a duck... its a duck!)
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To: GailA

...thanks for the ping


5 posted on 12/26/2010 6:13:27 AM PST by SterlingSilver (If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck and quacks like a duck... its a duck!)
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To: SterlingSilver

These are the left-over Lefties from the Sixties, plus younger university brain-washed Communists, who blame middle class Americans for their inability to live a decent life and are bent on changing the rules so that they and their ilk fit in.
They need to be mocked and purged from society. The sane segment should not be intimidated by the weird and clueless.


6 posted on 12/26/2010 6:14:29 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: kittymyrib

...exactly


7 posted on 12/26/2010 6:16:30 AM PST by SterlingSilver (If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck and quacks like a duck... its a duck!)
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To: Yo-Yo

Here’s a little Woodrow Wilson memoribelia to enjoy this day after Christmas...

Major Events While Wison Was In Office:

• Seventeenth Amendment ratified calling for direct election of Senators (1913)
• Federal Reserve Act (1913)
• Clayton Anti-Trust Act (1914)
• World War I (1914-1918)
• Lusitania Sunk (1915)
• United States entered World War I by declaring war on Germany (1917)
• Treaty of Versailles (1919)
• Eighteenth Amendment ratified prohibiting alcoholic beverages (1919)
• Nineteenth Amendment ratified giving women the right to vote (1920)


8 posted on 12/26/2010 6:18:33 AM PST by SterlingSilver (If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck and quacks like a duck... its a duck!)
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To: SterlingSilver

Tyrants do not care what the people want or think. So I suggest everyone just get used to it. It is just what the American people deserve, for after all, people get the government they deserve.

“A people unwilling to use extreme violent force to perserve or obtain their liberty deserves the tyrants that rule them.””

“When the government fears the people you have liberty.” Tj


9 posted on 12/26/2010 6:30:19 AM PST by stockpirate (Sen. Mitch McConnel (R) has betrayed the Nov. 2, 2010 voters w/his tax bill!)
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To: SterlingSilver

The 17th amendment has done more to trash the intended and constitutionally mandated process of the US Government than any other thing. The 17th amendment rendered the individual states politically impotent and largely irrelevant.

A simple glance at the map in the link illustrates that if the 17th amendment were not passed, the Dems would be lucky to have even 40 Senators in that supposedly august body:

http://www.ncsl.org/tabid/21253/default.aspx

The 17th amendment ruined a beautifully designed ‘Republican’ form of government given to us by the founders, and has allowed this progressive agenda to advance.


10 posted on 12/26/2010 6:52:15 AM PST by Ethrane ("obsta principiis")
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To: SterlingSilver
Nothing will change until the a currency crisis brings down the federal government. We are in for a lot of tyranny before and after that happens. Maybe pockets of liberty will survive in parts of Texas and beyond. Look for Socialist totalitarian power grabs in California, New York, and Massachusetts to Maine.
11 posted on 12/26/2010 7:27:41 AM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: SterlingSilver
Here’s a little Woodrow Wilson memorabilia

Woodrow Wilson was, indeed, one of the very worst presidents we've ever had. However, even though there was a flurry of new constitutional amendments during his two terms, 1913–1921, all of them derived from the Republican Progressive Era. It was a time when, believe it or not, many Democrats were the "conservatives" and many Republicans were the "liberals" more or less as we understand those two terms today.

Wilson can't be blamed for the 16th and 17th Amendments, as both of those were passed by Republican congresses before he took office.

16th Amendment, income tax, passed by Congress July 2, 1909. Ratified by sufficient number of states, February 3, 1913.

17th Amendment, election of senators, passed by Congress May 13, 1912. Ratified by sufficient number of states, April 8, 1913.

18th Amendment, prohibition, passed by Congress December 18, 1917. Ratified by sufficient number of states, January 16, 1919. Repealed by 21st Amendment.

19th Amendment, women's right to vote, passed by Congress June 4, 1919. Ratified by sufficient number of states August 18, 1920.

Wilson did broker a deal between Republicans (for it) and Democrats (against it) to get the Federal Reserve Act passed.

Wilson's presidency was also one of the most blatantly racist in history. During his term, full segregation was introduced into the U.S. Postal service. Blacks were also reduced in rank and/or dismissed from the Postal Service. He refused to appoint or re-appoint blacks to many other positions in the federal government.

Wilson's mishandling of the 1918 influenza pandemic directly led to thousands of our soldiers dying from it and also spreading it beyond military posts to the general population both here and overseas. It was a national disgrace of monumental proportions that has largely been buried in history.

Wilson's Treaty of Versailles led directly to World War II, and his League of Nations led directly to the execrable United Nations.

The Russian Revolution happened on his watch, and Wilson did nothing to at least try to prevent the communists from taking over.

Mostly for ill, Wilson's presidency shaped the 20th Century, and we are still living with the consequences today.

12 posted on 12/26/2010 7:29:25 AM PST by Wolfstar ("If you would win a man to your cause, first convince him that you are his friend." Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Wolfstar

And Teddy Roosevelt played Ross Perot and got that b*astard Wilson elected in the first place.


13 posted on 12/26/2010 7:33:27 AM PST by Luke21
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To: Wolfstar

How did he mishandle the flu epidemic?


14 posted on 12/26/2010 7:36:58 AM PST by Ditter
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To: SterlingSilver

You forgot one:

the Sixteenth Amendment was passed while he was in office.


15 posted on 12/26/2010 8:04:40 AM PST by DaiHuy (One Big Assed Mistake America)
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To: Ethrane

I must be the dumbest Freeper around because I am not seeing the difference in Senators being elected by legislatures who are elected by the people as opposed to the people themselves electing the Senators, in effect eliminating the middle man. I suppose it is the same reasoning for electing electors in presidential elections instead of direct popular vote. Regardless, if the founders thought that was the best way to do it then I am in agreement with it.

I guess it in some way modifies the possibility of tyranny by a majority.


16 posted on 12/26/2010 8:56:20 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Ditter
Against the dire warnings of the leading researchers of the day, Wilson approved the movement of troops out of their training bases and onto transport ships. Wilson ignored the sound advice of these researchers to quarantine the sick from the healthy.
17 posted on 12/26/2010 8:57:52 AM PST by wintertime (Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh said, "He was born here." ( So? Where's the proof?))
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To: wintertime
Yep, that’ll do it! The small town where we used to live had a policy in the high school, that said, if a student doesn't miss any school during the year they don't have to take the final exams at the end of the year. As a consequence, kids went to school sick and the whole town got sick. I was really glad to move from there. I think they haven't figured things out yet.
18 posted on 12/26/2010 9:17:32 AM PST by Ditter
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To: SterlingSilver

“I, like many, would like to see the Constitution changed back to the concept, as originally intended by the Founding Fathers, that the Senate would consist of person’s chosen by State Legislators. This would put more power in the hands of the States and clean up much of the stupidity and corrupt influence involved in electing US Senators under the present format...”

Absolutely correct. Here’s why: The 16th amendment (income tax) and the 17th amendment (direct election of senators) were critical to the growth of big government. Prior to the 16th, all taxes had to be allocated to the states based upon population. It was up to the state legislatures to raise the money. Since the state legislatures appointed senators prior to the 17th amendment, the most critical job of these state appointed senators was to ensure that the state legislures didn’t have to raise taxes to pay fedeal bills.


19 posted on 12/26/2010 9:51:42 AM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: Ditter
How did he mishandle the flu epidemic?

Hi, sorry I didn't answer right away. I work a graveyard shift and go to bed shortly after I get home. I just got up. :)

Wilson's role in the 1918 flu epidemic is not widely known today largely because he suppressed freedom of the press during his second term. Yep...this is 100% true.

For people who are interested in learning about this terrible episode in American history in detail, I highly recommend "The Great Influenza," by John M. Barry, 2004, Penguin Group. Barry's book is possibly the greatest historical nonfiction work of the past decade. He researched in meticulous detail the start and spread of what came to be misnamed the "Spanish flu."

Here's a short summary of what Wilson did:

The beginnings of the 1918 flu pandemic -- the most deadly pandemic since the Black Death in the Middle Ages -- were traced to America's heartland. It likely started on a Kansas farm.

It became known as the Spanish flu because Spain was not at war, so it still had freedom of the press and they reported the flu devastating their country. At the time, no one knew the origin of the flu.

In the United States, Wilson had totally ignored the First Amendment and shut down freedom of the press, along with many other freedoms, citing patriotism and the need to keep Americans on the right track. So news of the flu's spread across the nation traveled slowly, if at all in the early days. Medicine of the era was pretty advanced, and doctors knew enough to tell people how to protect themselves. But with news suppressed, word simply didn't travel fast enough for precautions to be taken across the country.

Almost 24 million men registered for the draft during the WWI era. Thousands were sent to over-crowded, makeshift camps in the U.S. The first reported flu cases occurred at Ft. Riley, Kansas, on March 11. An Army private reported to the camp hospital just before breakfast complaining of fever, sore throat and headache. He was quickly followed by another soldier with similar complaints. By noon, the camp’s hospital had 100 ill soldiers. By week’s end, that number jumped to 500.

The Wilson administration didn't respond at all to the devastation sweeping the country until September 13 when U.S. Surgeon General Rupert Blue dispatched advice to the press on how to recognize the influenza symptoms. By then it was six months too late. An estimated 12,000 Americans died that September along the northeastern seaboard alone. Across the nation that October, alone, more than 195,000 died. So many died that there was a nationwide shortage of caskets. Ignoring the advice of doctors, the administration had allowed huge numbers of soldiers and sailors to mix with the general population across the country and overseas. U.S. troops carried the flu to the trenches of the European battlefield where it spread like wildfire from Europe around the world.

Although no one knows exactly how many died from the 1918 flu, estimates range from 50 to 100 million. At the low end, 50 million was about 3% of the world's population at the time. An estimated 500 million, or 1/3 of the world's population, were infected.

By the way, Wilson was a leader of the so-called Progressive Movement. In addition to those already listed on this thread, among his greatest hits were:

Federal Trade Commission Act

Antitrust Act

Federal Farm Loan Act

America's first-ever federal progressive income tax in the Revenue Act of 1913 -- the income tax amendment did not happen on his watch, but the way it's been implemented ever since is Wilson's legacy, and he was a leader of the political movement that brought all these "greatest hits" into being

Whenever people discuss lists of worst presidents, I always put Wilson at the top of my list.

20 posted on 12/26/2010 2:51:18 PM PST by Wolfstar ("If you would win a man to your cause, first convince him that you are his friend." Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

All you have to do is look at the make-up of e states legislatures, and you can plainly see that the Dems would be in the minority in the Senate....look at my state, MO....70% Republican both sides house and senate...think they’d send a brain dead lib like McCaskill to Wash DC as a senator?..


21 posted on 12/26/2010 2:53:57 PM PST by Ethrane ("obsta principiis")
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To: Wolfstar

Thanks, my parents were young children in 1918 and I never heard family stories of flu deaths in the family.


22 posted on 12/26/2010 3:39:27 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Ditter
You're welcome. It isn't surprising that you never heard family stories about the flu. Many families were not directly affected, although almost everyone knew of families that were. It's one of the biggest disasters in U.S. and world history, but due largely to suppression of press freedoms at the time because of WWI, the pandemic was pretty much buried in the dusty back shelves of history.

Wilson, by the way, although thought of at the time as a "conservative," was actually the first Leftist president in the modern sense of that term. Terms like progressive, liberal and conservative didn't mean then what they do now. His legacy has been almost uniformly horrific.

23 posted on 12/26/2010 4:29:04 PM PST by Wolfstar ("If you would win a man to your cause, first convince him that you are his friend." Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
I must be the dumbest Freeper around because I am not seeing the difference in Senators being elected by legislatures who are elected by the people as opposed to the people themselves electing the Senators...

You're not dumb, merely uninformed about the Founders' intent in the way they divided powers. Back in their day, the states were thought of pretty much as sovereign nations. They chose to create a federation primarily to provide for the common defense and make interstate commerce more uniform. Kind of like the free trade agreement of their day.

When the delegates met in Philadelphia for what became the first Constitutional Convention, their original goal was merely to find a way to strengthen the Articles of Confederation, which had proven to be unworkable. Instead, they completely junked the Articles and wrote the Constitution. In creating a centralized federal government, they tried to balance three interests: those of the individual sovereign states, those of the people, and those of the new federalized nation.

They used two methods to protect the states. The first was the electoral college, which evened the power among large and small states in electing the national president. The second was to have the state governments, via their legislatures, choose their agents to represent them at the federal level. Those agents were U.S. senators, whose main role was to protect the interests of their sovereign states.

With senators now being elected directly by the people within a state, senators are nothing more than glorified U.S. House representatives (who are supposed to be the people's agents in Congress). Senators no longer are agents for the state governments in Washington.

You see, House members only have to campaign in their home districts, so theoretically they are closer to the people they represent. Senators used to have a similar close relationship with the people they represented -- the state governments. Now senators just campaign state-wide and are not close to anyone other than whoever contributes the most to their campaigns. They have no true constituency other than the general electorate of their states. They are not agents for their state governments at the federal level. In fact, the states have no voice in Washington. They have zero representation at the federal level.

The Founders gave us a Constitutional Republic. The 17th Amendment basically killed the Republic and gave us a direct democracy.

24 posted on 12/26/2010 4:52:05 PM PST by Wolfstar ("If you would win a man to your cause, first convince him that you are his friend." Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Wolfstar

Thank you. Excellent thumbnail history review. I learned all that 50+ years ago but the following years have been so filled with misinformation some of it got lost along the way.


25 posted on 12/27/2010 12:36:05 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: SterlingSilver
"Senate Democrats Channeling Woodrow Wilson In Upcoming Power Grab"

Channeling my ass!!! They are fully possessed by the demonic SOB!!!

Plus it also seems by the last few votes taken that a some Republicans have become worshipers of WW.

26 posted on 12/27/2010 12:55:14 AM PST by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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