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Gun Talk Radio 12/26/10
Gun Talk Radio ^ | 12/26/10 | Tom Gresham

Posted on 12/26/2010 5:16:19 PM PST by mylife

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To: 50cal Smokepole; Nervous Tick

The little rig described is great for conceal on the body.

My experience however is that the recoil of airlights scares the hell out of women.

Mrs Ticks mileage may vary.


51 posted on 12/26/2010 6:20:55 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: umgud

>> So get a Smith Airweight. It is what the Taurus is modeled after anyway.

Thanks for the tip; I’ll look into it.


52 posted on 12/26/2010 6:21:35 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: umgud

You are right. You can hold it at the breakpoint when shooting at the range.

I would personally like to have a hammer and have SA/DA option.


53 posted on 12/26/2010 6:23:18 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

I mean, YOU did indeed!! lol...


54 posted on 12/26/2010 6:24:33 PM PST by waterhill (Beef, its whats for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.....)
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To: All
One thing my meager assortment of firearms is lacking is a decent power rifle (my .22 doesn't qualify). Since dollars are scarce, in order to get the most bang for the buck I am really leaning toward a Mosin Nagant.

Several friends (and internet info sites) have strongly suggested that before firing the first round, a Mosin should be taken to a good gunsmith, to examine for safety, clean thoroughly, check headspace, etc. That sure seems to make sense, but I don't have a feel for what would be a reasonable fee for that service. Any ideas of a fair price range?

Also, any suggestions for ammo? I see Russian, Czech, Albanian, and God knows what all else among the milsurp stuff, as well as more modern non-corrosive stuff, and could use some help navigating the maze. I would primarily be punching holes in paper.

55 posted on 12/26/2010 6:25:40 PM PST by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-Free zones are playgrounds for felons)
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To: umgud; Nervous Tick

I have the Smith 360 PD and it is a pleasure to carry at barely 12 oz empty. But it kicks with only a .38 special.

I much prefer the baby Glock.


56 posted on 12/26/2010 6:26:06 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks (YOU BETCHA!)
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To: waterhill

All I had was a chicken fried steak with all the fixens and a load of beer.

Poor Poor pitiful me...


57 posted on 12/26/2010 6:26:13 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: 50cal Smokepole

>> Better if she actually shot it before buying.

Yeah, the more I think about it I just have to get the wheels turning and figure out how to make that happen.

>> All the training vids I’ve seen say that the worst place for a woman to pack the heat is in a purse

I can see the logic in that... and yet I can pretty much guarantee that that is where hers will end up. I guess I figure a) better in the purse than not at all, and b) whatever serves to get her (and me!) motivated to get off our butts and get a couple sidearms and some training will be a GOOD thing.

Thanks for your insights.


58 posted on 12/26/2010 6:26:18 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: waterhill

I know what you meant LoL


59 posted on 12/26/2010 6:27:31 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife
I would personally like to have a hammer and have SA/DA option.

The 638 has a shrouded hammer, so you do get sa/da.


60 posted on 12/26/2010 6:32:19 PM PST by umgud
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To: Nervous Tick

Hey Tick, where are you at? Austin area, Dallas, Houston? Just wondering cause I might be able to help out. I’m in the Pflugerville metroplex thing.


61 posted on 12/26/2010 6:33:06 PM PST by davetex (All my weapons got melted by a meteor!! No Sh*t)
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To: umgud

Non shrouded would not bother me.


62 posted on 12/26/2010 6:34:35 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: deoetdoctrinae
I have taken a couple of long guns to a smithy for the standard cleaning/evaluations/safety check fare. That runs about one hour of shop time. Call it $45-$60 per hour, depending on your smith. Just because they charge the most it doesn't mean they're the best. Try to get some recommendations from folks who have had similar needs.
63 posted on 12/26/2010 6:42:44 PM PST by 50cal Smokepole (Effective gun control involves effective recoil management)
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To: deoetdoctrinae

I have the 1390 ( or is it the 9013? ) its a heavy beast, the one thats like 5’long. I shoot Winchester through mine, its dead nuts spot on. 100 bucks at Cabela’s

I had problems with the bolt until I put it up on the shed roof in the Texas summer heat and cleaned it real good.. They usually have a ton of cosmoline in ‘em... Read: Heat them up and clean soon after, I just use solar power...

Sweet big bore... hug her good ‘cause she will show you some love!

Have fun


64 posted on 12/26/2010 6:43:32 PM PST by waterhill (Beef, its whats for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.....)
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To: mylife

Chicken fried steak would have worked too!


65 posted on 12/26/2010 6:47:09 PM PST by waterhill (Beef, its whats for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.....)
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To: waterhill

It weren’t bad!

Hit the spot on a cold azz December day.


66 posted on 12/26/2010 6:51:32 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: deoetdoctrinae

Consider an 8mm mauser, but I agree with waterhill, just cook the cosmoline out, clean it and have fun.

Placing the metal parts in a black plastic bag in summer will melt any cosmoline away.

I use brake cleaner to spray out the tight spots.


67 posted on 12/26/2010 6:56:27 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: deoetdoctrinae

a go-no go-field gauge will quickly determine correct headspace.

Ammunition 7.62x54r - for now is pretty cheap. The “spam cans” (440 rounds) are still less than $100.00.

jg sales, ctd, and aim surplus all have pretty decent ammunition prices. Popular ammo terms - “Light ball”=147gr, “Heavy ball”=180gr.

If you can, try to get a Finnish Mosin - typically more accurate than the standard 91/30s.

http://www.surplusrifle.com and

http://7.62x54r.net/

for more information.

Wolf, Winchester, and PRVI, and a few others all make modern (non-corrosive) ammunition in this caliber.

Lots of fun, big noise, big recoil, and big muzzle flash!


68 posted on 12/26/2010 7:02:44 PM PST by Sylvester McMonkey McBean
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To: Sylvester McMonkey McBean

I have an 113 year old Finn capture.

Still works great


69 posted on 12/26/2010 7:04:52 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: deoetdoctrinae
I've got an M91/30. I love it. (Only big bore rifle I own.)

Generally, if the serial number on the bolt matches the serial number on the receiver, there usually is no need to have the headspace checked (If you're worried about it, just fire it from the hip the first couple of times.)

Cleaning the cosmoline out of them is a pain in the rear. To get the chamber clean and to make the bolt work easier, there are videos on the internet that show a few cleaning techniques. I used a 20 gauge shotgun wire brush and a variable speed drill with Hoppes to clean mine out good. Made a huge difference.

If you clean your weapon after returning from the range religiously, there is no need to worry about corrosive ammo. I've fired hundreds and hundreds of surplus Chech, Yugo, Slav, Polish, and Russian through mine. I've never experienced a single ammo problem.

My rifle with all standard issue accessories only set me back $80 on sale at Dunhams.

70 posted on 12/26/2010 7:04:57 PM PST by 2111USMC
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To: 50cal Smokepole; waterhill; mylife

Thanks for the info FRiends!


71 posted on 12/26/2010 7:06:00 PM PST by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-Free zones are playgrounds for felons)
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To: 2111USMC

The oversized brush on the drill motor is an excellent hint to make the bolt work mo better.


72 posted on 12/26/2010 7:07:44 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Sylvester McMonkey McBean; 2111USMC

Good info. Thanks very much!


73 posted on 12/26/2010 7:09:53 PM PST by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-Free zones are playgrounds for felons)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

>> I have the Smith 360 PD

I found it on the S&W site. That’s a nice handgun. Kind of spendy though.

>> I much prefer the baby Glock.

Well, right or wrong we’re leaning towards a revolver for her.

I’m thinking about a Glock for me though. Not sure which model. I may carry it some, but mostly around my own work and property, and in my vehicle. I don’t feel the need to start with the absolute smallest gun, if I have to trade away other features (i.e. capacity) to get small size. Recommendations as to model? As far as caliber I’m leaning towards 9mm.


74 posted on 12/26/2010 7:13:19 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: mylife

Yep. First couple of times I took it out, I found that I needed to really smack the bolt to get it open (almost needed a 2 x 4).

I try to stay away from the painted steel case ammo. That helps also.


75 posted on 12/26/2010 7:13:58 PM PST by 2111USMC
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To: mylife

Rugged simplicity endures.


76 posted on 12/26/2010 7:16:24 PM PST by Sylvester McMonkey McBean
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To: 2111USMC

You are right about the bolt.
I always blamed it on the steel case, but brass does the same thing.


77 posted on 12/26/2010 7:18:14 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Sylvester McMonkey McBean

And by golly sometimes that is all you need!


78 posted on 12/26/2010 7:19:00 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Nervous Tick; mylife; Clint N. Suhks
If you're looking for a great 9mm that's cheap (and I don't mean that in a bad way) then check out my rig. A CZ 82; it's 12+1 and with Hornady XTP rounds, it'll stop 'em cold.


79 posted on 12/26/2010 7:22:14 PM PST by 50cal Smokepole (Effective gun control involves effective recoil management)
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To: umgud

>> So get a Smith Airweight. It is what the Taurus is modeled after anyway.

Interesting suggestion. 15oz... heavier than the 360PD or Taurus 85M but lighter than a similar stainless .38.

The one in your photo has a black finish but the S&W website only lists a silver matte.

How well could I expect that aluminum alloy frame to hold up compared to a titanium frame?

It’s a little more $$$ than the Taurus but not *that* much more.

Thx


80 posted on 12/26/2010 7:22:18 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: Nervous Tick

Tick, before you jump into a Glock, look at the XD models. Might be better for someone that is not an experienced veteran.

http://www.springfield-armory.com/xd.php


81 posted on 12/26/2010 7:23:50 PM PST by davetex (All my weapons got melted by a meteor!! No Sh*t)
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To: Nervous Tick
The one in your photo has a black finish but the S&W website only lists a silver matte.

Mine is about 15 years old and has had a lot of use.

82 posted on 12/26/2010 7:25:12 PM PST by umgud
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To: 50cal Smokepole

I never get tired of looking at what a great job you did with that!


83 posted on 12/26/2010 7:25:34 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: davetex

Oh and, 50 is right about the CZ. You should look into those also. CZ’s are excellent hand guns. Wish I had one.


84 posted on 12/26/2010 7:26:57 PM PST by davetex (All my weapons got melted by a meteor!! No Sh*t)
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To: Nervous Tick

Titanium is much much stronger and it is lighter

Titanium is remarkable stuff.


85 posted on 12/26/2010 7:27:17 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Sylvester McMonkey McBean
I think I'm convinced to take the plunge.


86 posted on 12/26/2010 7:27:23 PM PST by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-Free zones are playgrounds for felons)
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To: 2111USMC

Yes, 91/30 what I meant...

Its a beast...


87 posted on 12/26/2010 7:28:54 PM PST by waterhill (Beef, its whats for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.....)
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To: Nervous Tick

The two most useful properties of the metal form are corrosion resistance and the highest strength-to-weight ratio of any metal.[6] In its unalloyed condition, titanium is as strong as some steels, but 45% lighter

Titanium is superior to aluminum alloys


88 posted on 12/26/2010 7:31:11 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: All

Believe me, if we had significant Titanium deposits in the USA we would be using Titanium for a wide array of applications.


89 posted on 12/26/2010 7:33:51 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

Have you seen the MythBuster episode where they make a working cannon out of duct tape? Awesome little howitzer firing an eighteen pound ball.


90 posted on 12/26/2010 7:34:03 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: davetex

>> XD models. Might be better for someone that is not an experienced veteran.

That certainly describes me, Dave.

Better in what way? Reliability, ease of use, durability, ???

What model would you recommend?

Thx


91 posted on 12/26/2010 7:34:08 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: MHGinTN

>> Have you seen the MythBuster episode where they make a working cannon out of duct tape?

LOL! I saw that this weekend. I thought for SURE that barrel was going to pop, especially after having to force the ball in! It was a pretty tight fit.

Red Green would be proud.


92 posted on 12/26/2010 7:36:34 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: MHGinTN

No LoL!

Duct Tape?

The Submarine fleet had this tape called E.B. green *electric boat*

The stuff was meaner than cat ****!

People claim it has held at test depths LoL


93 posted on 12/26/2010 7:39:13 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: deoetdoctrinae

It might prove to be the best $80.00 you’ve ever spent. :)

Even if you NEVER shoot it - it looks GREAT over a fireplace mantle.

Really though, it’s much more fun to shoot.

Also, if the bolt DOES bind up on ejection, pull back on the safety screw to cock the bolt. That way when you work the handle, all the force is working to twist the bolt open, and none of it is going towards cocking the bolt.

Then follow with a short drill/brush session as described earlier.

Final word of caution: Mosins have a tendency to multiply over time.


94 posted on 12/26/2010 7:41:58 PM PST by Sylvester McMonkey McBean
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To: 50cal Smokepole

>> If you’re looking for a great 9mm... check out my rig. A CZ 82

Very nice!

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’d have to locate a used one, right? Or are they available “off the shelf”?

Thx


95 posted on 12/26/2010 7:43:10 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: Nervous Tick

You have Freep mail


96 posted on 12/26/2010 7:47:16 PM PST by davetex (All my weapons got melted by a meteor!! No Sh*t)
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To: mylife

Thanks, but you helped too. And the gunsmith. And Google. ;)


97 posted on 12/26/2010 7:48:00 PM PST by 50cal Smokepole (Effective gun control involves effective recoil management)
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To: Nervous Tick
The CZ 82 is war surplus. Cold War. The CZ 83 is the export version and except for a slightly different trigger guard, they're identical. Most CZ 82s are chambered in 9X18mm Makarov (still standard issue with the Russkie Army). You can get a CZ 83 for more money, but chambered in .32 ACP, .38 ACP (9mm).
http://cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-83/
98 posted on 12/26/2010 7:55:26 PM PST by 50cal Smokepole (Effective gun control involves effective recoil management)
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To: Nervous Tick

CZ 82s are milsurplus used, but they are readily available
http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/c/c-r-guns/p/cz-82-czech-9x18-makarov-military-pistol,-very-good-condition,-one-mag-c-r-/cPath/290/products_id/3050

Cz 83s can be had new but use the .380 cartridge vice the 9x 18 makarov. And the cost is about double that of the Cz 82.


99 posted on 12/26/2010 7:55:35 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: 50cal Smokepole

Well, all I know is you have the finest Cz 82 around now!


100 posted on 12/26/2010 8:01:26 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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