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Sen. Tom Coburn's claim on percentage of SSDI, SSI recipients is on the mark.
tampabay.com ^ | December 18, 2010 | Louis Jacobson

Posted on 01/02/2011 11:36:02 PM PST by Angelus

The statement "One in 19 Americans today get SSDI or SSI. That's one in 19 Americans (who) are disabled." Sen. Tom Coburn, Dec. 1, 2010, in a meeting of the Simpson-Bowles deficit commission.

At a meeting of the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform — the Simpson-Bowles commission tasked with finding a solution to deficits — one panel member, Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., cited disability payments as an example of government spending "out of control."


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This was a very rare event - a Senator actually mentioned that the SSI welfare program is "out of control."

1 in 20 Americans now collect disability payments and that number will continue to rise because Congress will not reform a welfare program in which "disability" can mean just about anything.

1 posted on 01/02/2011 11:36:06 PM PST by Angelus
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To: Angelus

BUMP!


2 posted on 01/02/2011 11:45:11 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Angelus

I really hope this has legs and Coburn can get some reforms here. This SS is a total welfare program full of all types of cheats.


3 posted on 01/02/2011 11:47:40 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Angelus

Seriously!! I hope this issue gets legs!!!! Been people gaming the system since the 70s!


4 posted on 01/03/2011 12:03:13 AM PST by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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To: Angelus

This is a great subject. Do you all know that drug addicts and so called alcoholics get disability if they are in a rehab?


5 posted on 01/03/2011 12:28:22 AM PST by rambo316 (Rush is Right)
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To: rambo316

To top that off, I know somebody who went as far as having some kind of box put in her neck to stop her from having epileptic seizures that she has never had to guarantee that she stays on disability; life is so good on disability, that she had personalized license plates put on her car with the name of the thing that she had put in her neck.


6 posted on 01/03/2011 12:33:31 AM PST by rambo316 (Rush is Right)
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To: Angelus
Many things determine disability. Most persons on disability can not work in the workforce in any capacity. Not mentioned are some of the unthought of complications. Medical conditions requiring an assistant to be with the person on the job as a caregiver. Yea that makes since hire Joe then hire an assistant for Joe also. Believe it or not your tax dollars pay for such. Yea there are plenty of back to work government funded programs. Most are impractical at best.

Let's take a highly functional or incomplete quadriplegic for example. Able to somewhat use their hands but unable to do things like empty a urinary drainage bag etc. Next is the problem about being up in a wheelchair for the work day. One pressure sore can mean weeks if not months in bed. This is but a few examples. There are also non visable disabilities like CHF and other disorders s well. Just because a person can walk does not mean they can function in a work place at gainfull employment.

Despite what the senator says S.S. disability is in fact not that easy to obtain. The first filing is denied almost automatically even with ample proof from many doctors including the SS agencies contracted examiners. The first appeal with overwhelming proof might get you on disability. Odds are likely about 1 in 3. The rest will spend years going through lawyers, hearings, more appeals, and in the meantime no income except possibly SSI. BTW getting SSDI does not mean one qualifies for SSI. If you made a dollar above minimum wage before applying for disability chances are once you receive SSDI you will have to pay back the SSI from your first check which is back pay usually.

I know a few disabled persons. I know of no one on it fraudulently. There are much easier state and federal programs to access with a much lower burden of proof for assistance than disability.

For many lower income workers this will be their sole income if becoming disabled. Some who had better paying jobs or were under a great corporate benefits package may have additional coverage that some may mistake as SSDI. The standards for obtaining payment would vary from policy to policy.

The first thing a person usually looses when becoming disabled is their healthcare insurance. Generally within 60 days most employers stop paying. That means you are placed on COBRA which to a disabled person who can not work is just not a realistic option.

I disagree with the senators assessment on this issue. I would also bet that most disabled were likely blue collar low to lower middle class workers. It would make sense because they would likely be doing more physically demanding jobs. My last job out of about a dozen person I worked with over 5 years 4 of them died during that time and one went on disability. That one was me. Before I went to work there the foreman dropped dead in his office.

Your SSDI payment depends on what you paid in. Every ones payment varies due to what they paid in. Does anyone in here think they can live on $618 a month or maybe $813? I know persons who draw about that much. IOW it is by no means a get rich program for most. It is forced medical retirement. I know another person who draws $1500 a month.

There is a lot of waste and fraud in government no doubt but SSDI is about the strictest program there is.

7 posted on 01/03/2011 12:37:40 AM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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From the disability side....I worked with a guy in the 1990s who had a brother who claimed disability. My co-worker was absolute in opinion that the injury was bogus. The guy was only pulling around $850 a month so it was hard for me to envision going this direction...for such a limited amount of money...and thinking you could really live off this.


8 posted on 01/03/2011 1:05:50 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: cva66snipe
" Most persons on disability can not work in the workforce in any capacity."

Every kid (what % now?) diagnosed with ADD, ADHD (actually bored with lousey schools) or whatever the fad is SSI for life. There is no cure. They will be doped for life.

Find a welfare mom and I guarantee they are also getting SSI for a kid.

yitbos

9 posted on 01/03/2011 1:09:08 AM PST by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: bruinbirdman
Oh, yeah, the new fad is autism, also a euthemism for ADD, ADHD or learning disabilities (bad schools).

yitbos

10 posted on 01/03/2011 1:12:41 AM PST by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: rambo316
To top that off, I know somebody who went as far as having some kind of box put in her neck to stop her from having epileptic seizures that she has never had to guarantee that she stays on disability; life is so good on disability, that she had personalized license plates put on her car with the name of the thing that she had put in her neck.

Really? How long ago was that? I just searched the procedure. It's still experimental from what I'm reading and a last resort procedure when meds fail to control seizure activity. IOW there would be a lot of vetting through several physicians for this procedure to even be considered.

Now sometimes EEG's do not pick up epileptic seizures. I can pass an EEG with flying colors and I have epileptic seizures. BTW there are many forms of it. Mine isn't the loose consciousness and fall down time. Mine jerks the living daylights out of my upper torso due to certain auditory and visual stimulations. Makes driving real interesting. LOL

There is also a procedure where such an electronic device is placed in the neck and connected to the brain for relief from severe depression. Again a last resort procedure it looks like.

11 posted on 01/03/2011 1:27:28 AM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: pepsionice
From the disability side....I worked with a guy in the 1990s who had a brother who claimed disability. My co-worker was absolute in opinion that the injury was bogus. The guy was only pulling around $850 a month so it was hard for me to envision going this direction...for such a limited amount of money...and thinking you could really live off this.

You can't really. BTW the $600 and $800 dollar figures I mentioned? The $613 is my wifes. She is an incomplete quadriplegic and has been 25 years. The $830 or so I draw for mine which happened 16 years ago. It wasn't one single thing that put me there but a sum total some of which were life long problems that got worse.

12 posted on 01/03/2011 1:31:52 AM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe

I am not questioning your medical state, I am just telling you that this person that I know had this done many years ago at Columbia. Nobody in her family has ever seen her have a seizure and she is the type that if you closed your eyes she would rob you blind. Not to get too personal, but she is my wife’s sister. And let me just say one thing, in today’s day and age a person can convince a doctor to do anything that is exploratory. She collects SSDI and she works under the table and she drives.


13 posted on 01/03/2011 1:38:08 AM PST by rambo316 (Rush is Right)
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To: Angelus
This will never stop. The last time I was at a Social Security office (I won't go into what types of people were there en masse), I waited an hour and a half after waiting an hour and half in line to get up to the desk where I could get a 'chair' and wait some more.

Anyway, later a person came out through a door and yelled my name. I followed her and she took me to a desk where a blind computer operator was sitting - the actual SSA officer. The 'helper' took my paperwork and proceeded to sequence and speak each entry so the blind computer operator could enter it.

By the way, the blind computer operator effed it up and I got a letter in the mail later and I had to go back and do it all over again....

14 posted on 01/03/2011 1:41:56 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: rambo316

Also all the homo’s with aids.


15 posted on 01/03/2011 1:42:23 AM PST by org.whodat
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To: cva66snipe

I worked in a Rehab and used to drive the druggies and alcy’s to their SSI appointments. It used to make me sick to see what was going on.


16 posted on 01/03/2011 1:42:35 AM PST by rambo316 (Rush is Right)
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To: bruinbirdman
Every kid (what % now?) diagnosed with ADD, ADHD (actually bored with lousey schools) or whatever the fad is SSI for life. There is no cure. They will be doped for life. Find a welfare mom and I guarantee they are also getting SSI for a kid.

I was diagnosed with it about 45 years ago. Look there is a real problem and there is a real disorder very similar to ADD/ADHD. The epidemic isn't pharmaceutical or even government program driven it is technology triggered.

There is a fairly recently discovery of a sensory processing problem called Central Auditory Processing Disorders. These are very real and far easier to prove than ADD ADHD. They require NO Medications except to treat possible conditions which may have caused it such as chronic sinus allergies or chronic ear infections as a child.

I did not have ADD/ADHD I have C.A.P.D. and a very dysfunctional auditory and visual processing system. You can look for C.A.P.D. in a kid right after Christmas. The new video games for example. The kid plays a while then becomes agitated and unable to concentrate. Here's more clues for C.A.P.D. instead of ADD ADHD. The inability to process oral instructions accurately without them being repeated several times. These kids are not ignoring you their brain is trying to process what you have told them. Ever tell a kid to so something then about the middle of the second or third time they suddenly get it?

The behavioral traits of ADHD and C.A.P.D. can be easily mistaken. That is why all kids need to be tested for C.A.P.D. by an Audiologist at an early age. No special federal funding is needed for them in class either. Other clues such as coordination may point to what I'm saying.

Getting help early on is essential. This might mean Occupational Therapy for more severe cases. For me that enabled me to pass my military entrance physicals and function in the workforce later into my mid 30's. BTW mine is a severe case not typical to most kids with C.A.P.D. The doctors {eye doctors actually} saw the issues 45 years ago in me but no medical name had been given it. I'm also single eye functional. Vision in both eyes but never at the same time.

17 posted on 01/03/2011 1:48:01 AM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe

Wrong, girl down the street from me got knocked up by a worthless druggie, in the last fifteen years he has spent ten in jail, they. Had three kids before her mother made the doc spade her. She has never worked a day in her life and now is on ssi. Claims she has a bad back, must have got from laying on it.


18 posted on 01/03/2011 1:50:05 AM PST by org.whodat
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To: cva66snipe

You ain’t been around welfare mothers I take it. A seriously large percentage get SSI “crazy” checks for their kids for ADH, etc.


19 posted on 01/03/2011 2:01:26 AM PST by packrat35 (America is rapidly becoming a police state that East Germany could be proud of!)
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To: cva66snipe

1 in 19 Americans are on SSI and you say its hard to get. Read it again, Apparently it is NOT hard to get.


20 posted on 01/03/2011 2:03:30 AM PST by packrat35 (America is rapidly becoming a police state that East Germany could be proud of!)
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To: rambo316
I am not questioning your medical state, I am just telling you that this person that I know had this done many years ago at Columbia. Nobody in her family has ever seen her have a seizure and she is the type that if you closed your eyes she would rob you blind. Not to get too personal, but she is my wife’s sister. And let me just say one thing, in today’s day and age a person can convince a doctor to do anything that is exploratory. She collects SSDI and she works under the table and she drives.

You might want to read up more on Epilepsy. Not all seizures are what most persons recognize as being such or are even visable to others is what I'm saying.

I didn't even know what I have is considered a form of it till about a year ago when I saw it classified as being such. I drive every day but I have what is called Myoclonic seizures which cause very violent spasms in my shoulder blades and neck but not in my arms or hands so it allows me to drive for right now. A trip through a Walmart for example is enough to trigger them. So is TV in some cases.

I can have as many as several a minute on a bad day 1-2 on a good one.

Epileptic seizures are physically and mentally exhausting for a lot of people. If you didn't see me in the seizure state {BTW the seizures only last a couple of seconds} you'd see me as being healthy except I walk with a cane now due to balance issues and arthritis. You likely would not even call my seizres epeltic.

As for getting a doctor to do something expiermental? Most insurance companies balk including Medicare HMO's.

21 posted on 01/03/2011 2:14:29 AM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe

Getting on SSDI is not as difficult as you think.

I have a close family member who has fabricated a case of fibromyalgia and an anxiety disorder.

Believe me, I am very close to this person and she has no symptoms of fibromyalgia and maybe a mild case at best of anxiety.

She got her high priced psyc doctor to help her with the paper work and hired an attorney as well.

It took a few years but her lies worked. I remember her first check from SSDI was for over 60,000 dollars....no joke.
She now makes about $800 and something a month.

Believe me she can work. What she is doing is a total scam and we taxpayers are paying for her to sit at home and watch movies.’
Did I mention she just bought a brand new Ford today? I pay an enormous amount a year in fed taxes to pay for her lies but I can’t afford a new car.
It makes me sick.

I know there are people who are truly disabled....my brother was in a very bad car accident which left him with severe brain damage. He couldn’t speak, walk, use his hands, nothing. It took him 10 years going through the motions and denials until a judge finally took one look at him and granted him the disability.

In my estimation at least 50 to 75 percent of the people receiving disability benefits from SS are full of baloney and gaming the system.
Including my family member.


22 posted on 01/03/2011 2:18:19 AM PST by Aurorales (I will not be ridiculed into silence)
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To: packrat35
1 in 19 Americans are on SSI and you say its hard to get. Read it again, Apparently it is NOT hard to get.

SSI and SSDI are two highly different critters all together. The standards for SSI are low. You don't have to be disabled just poor. SSI is welfare.

Social Security Disability Insurance has a much higher qualification standard and burden of proof. It sometimes takes years to get it and most give up or die first. SSI is immediate. The senator was not smart in connecting them together because they aren't.

23 posted on 01/03/2011 2:19:41 AM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Angelus

social security disability is no piece of cake. there are people whom collect it whom are incapable of full - time employment. SSDI and SSI are not welfare programs.

How many people know that there is a program within the Social Security Administration that is called Ticket to Work? There are people with disabilities whom are striving to move from Social Security Disability to employment. The economic times have made it a little more difficult. It is an all volunteer program, whereby a person with a disability voluntarily submits the ticket to work for employment as designated on the Ticket to work. yet there are limits to the program.

If you have never lived with a disability do not say the people with disabilities do not want to be employed or whatever else you wish to say.

I live with a disability that I gained in the service to this country. I went on after returning back to this country to get a bachelors degree, and masters degree and soon I am going for my doctoral degree.

I hate it when people say that there are people whom say everyone on disability feels they are entitled to it. That is BS.

Maybe my body is all screwed up, so on and so forth, but I still have a mind that works. Sure I use Dragon Natuarally speaking to enter information on a computer, use a wheelcahir and crutches to get around. I drive a car with hand controls. I modified a ford 9n tractor to be able to care of snow. I use a John Deere zero turn lawn mower to cut grass. .

Being a senator and a congressman is a welfare program the SOBs do very little for the money that is wasted on the idiots in DC whom do nothing. An enlisted soldier makes 19,000 a year. What the hell does a congress critter or senator make in excess of 170,000 a year. Many of them refuse to listen to their constituents.

Coburn is an ass. Lets take away his 186,000 a year salary and have him live on 19,000 a year, and out of he pay for his medical bennefuts and other daily living necessities. Take the welfare away from the politicians.


24 posted on 01/03/2011 2:20:37 AM PST by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: cva66snipe

You might want to read my post #22 on this thread.

I have personally watched someone very close to me drum up some vague symptoms and whined about them to a psychiatrist.

Hired a lawyer and started the ball in motion for acceptance into the SSDI program.

It took two years of passing paperwork back and forth but was deemed too disabled to work and got on the dole.

Since it took her 2 years from the initial filing to the acceptance the SS admin. paid her all the back money they “owed” her from the 2 year lapse.

It was unbelievable to watch how easy it was to receive. Oh and of course since she has two children, they too get SS checks to help take care of them as well.

This has got to stop. There is no way 1 in 19 Americans are too disabled to work. I have seen it first hand.
This is pure crap and evertime I make out that big check to the IRS on April 15 I just want to scream.

I am tired of paying for others lies. It has to end.


25 posted on 01/03/2011 2:31:29 AM PST by Aurorales (I will not be ridiculed into silence)
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To: Aurorales
My SSDI disability cause is G.A.D. or Generalized Anxiety Disorder. I know about Fibro and thankfully have not gotten it. Here's how things get complicated. G.A.D. for me is a secondary disorder of cause and effect. IOW I am non phobic and my anxiety is trigger by several neurological disorders combined. One is Vestibular Disorders like Menieres, Tinnitus {many constant and loud different frequencies}, partial deafness {50% both ears} dysfunctional Inner Ear both sides from birth or early childhood effecting my balance and coordination for life. That's just in my hearing.

I'm one eye functional with good vision in neither and one has severe astigmatism my dominant eye. It is a disorder you can't see. I was born club footed both feet and am now as well flat footed in both feet. My legs and feet are twisted from years of walking off balance and arthritis set in.

Now then. I could walk up to you tomorrow and talk to you for an hour and you likely would not detect anything unless I had a seizure or have my cane.

It was a Social Security Medical Examiner that was the first to tell me I'd never be able to work again. I think she knew what she was seeing but at that time it had no name. G.A.D. worked on paper and so it was. I was later diagnosed with PTDS as well which I am now free of.

I know several persons with Fibro. They have their good days and bad ones. Not enough is known about it to really treat it. 16 years ago nothing was known about what I have. Because of that I was given the wrong medication treatment for nearly two years. Most of what I know about what I have I acquired on my own searches.

26 posted on 01/03/2011 2:46:42 AM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Aurorales
Yea my ex-S.I.L. enjoyed a military disability check for many years for her Asthma. I never saw her have an attack and I sure didn't like her much. She could get anything she wanted. Today she has a wheelchair she can't get out of and Cushings Disease from all that nice Predisone she took most her life to ward off Asthma Attacks. Her body had turned on itself.

When I lost all my immuntity I had to Mold a few years back I found out what Asthma was like. Allergic reactions and Asthma can be about the same. I took my share of Predisone for a couple of years till the immunity therapy began working for me. BTW I don't trust any shrinks.

27 posted on 01/03/2011 2:59:18 AM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: rambo316
"I worked in a Rehab and used to drive the druggies and alcy’s to their SSI appointments. It used to make me sick to see what was going on.

...and don't forget all their big buck$ meds. My kid is a pharmacist and said it would make you cry to see all the medicaid & AIDS drugs for $1. Most throw them in the garbage and the drugstore keeps calling them to refill. Truly sickening.

Also, I unfortunately have some relatives that have milked the disability wagon for life. 3 out of 4 siblings have "disability issues" in their 30-40's. Some of these clowns work under the table.

28 posted on 01/03/2011 3:11:01 AM PST by NoExpectations
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To: org.whodat
Wrong, girl down the street from me got knocked up by a worthless druggie, in the last fifteen years he has spent ten in jail, they. Had three kids before her mother made the doc spade her. She has never worked a day in her life and now is on ssi. Claims she has a bad back, must have got from laying on it.

Disability for alcohol and drug addictions {unless drug addiction was the direct result of legitiimate medical treatment} should be ended. It is supposed to be limited to two years lifetime I think. But what you are seeing is really a different problem. A court system that refuses to deal harshly with parents especially mothers. I know about that system as well and about went to jail taking on a bad mom. The courts and Childrens protective services or whatever they are in each state is of the opinion all mothers with anykind of abuse or criminal record are to be considered victims.

29 posted on 01/03/2011 3:17:25 AM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: packrat35
You ain’t been around welfare mothers I take it. A seriously large percentage get SSI “crazy” checks for their kids for ADH, etc.

See post 17. I know what I'm talking about on the ADD ADHD issue. If/When enouh of the kids get tested for C.A.P.D. you'll begin to see the ADD ADHD rates bottom. C.A.P.D. can only be diagnosed either by an Audiologist or Speech Pathologist trained in the testing. CAPD is cheap to treat and requires no meds as such and very little classroom modification.

Way out of a shrinks league though. Their understanding stopped in the early 1970's. Vestibular Research is making headway. Vestibular means related to the components of the auditory processing system.

30 posted on 01/03/2011 3:27:39 AM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Angelus

Why don’t we call them “reparations”? How many of those one-in-nineteen are black? I know! (groan) I’m racist!


31 posted on 01/03/2011 3:41:16 AM PST by REPANDPROUDOFIT (General, sir, it is perfectly ok to call me "ma'am"!)
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To: cva66snipe
I know a few disabled persons. I know of no one on it fraudulently.

I worked in a public school. There were two full time counselors on staff and they spent a large part of their time processing SSI claims for ADD and ADHD students. It was a severely abused process. Made us sick to see these moms, who didn't work at all, come in with paperwork for 3 or 4 kids. They were always "very anxious" to start getting those SSI checks!

You assume that we are all heartless creeps with no sympathy for the disadvantaged! Wrong! The truly disabled deserve help. But, we have no sympathy for those who refuse to help themselves or those who contrive to get benefits!

32 posted on 01/03/2011 3:54:56 AM PST by REPANDPROUDOFIT (General, sir, it is perfectly ok to call me "ma'am"!)
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To: Angelus

When I turned sixty- five, I went to the Social Security office to get my Medicare application form and was amazed at the huge crowd of young, fat women there with several small children in tow. They were there filing for “disability”....too fat to work, I suppose.
If you hand out “free” money, they will come.


33 posted on 01/03/2011 4:13:32 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: pepsionice
The guy was only pulling around $850 a month so it was hard for me to envision going this direction...for such a limited amount of money...and thinking you could really live off this.

You're assuming he's not working in the cash economy.

34 posted on 01/03/2011 4:19:21 AM PST by DeaconBenjamin (A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're NOT talking real money)
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To: Angelus

I know a woman in Missouri who collects SSI. Her boyfriend? Also collects SSI. It’s for ‘mental issues’ but there is nothing wrong with them. It’s sickening.

I have a friend who has MS. He needs it.


35 posted on 01/03/2011 4:44:51 AM PST by Peter from Rutland
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To: rambo316
"This is a great subject. Do you all know that drug addicts and so called alcoholics get disability if they are in a rehab?"

Why does the American Taxpayer have to fund the result of LIFESTYLE CHOICES, when the obvious outcome is destructive? (Other than to buy votes of certain constituencies).

36 posted on 01/03/2011 4:49:10 AM PST by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: Angelus
It is simple to shop Doctors until you can find one that will Affirm you are "bi-polar", "schizophrenic", "ADD-afflicted", etc., and get on the monthly-checks-for-life bandwagon, and continue working your regular job.

I personally know people who have done this for more than 20 years of taxpayer-funded supplemental income.

For those inner-city welfare families, there seems to be an endless supply of Obama Money coming to fund their crack habits, un-wed baby-production, etc., and each child affords them additional opportunity to claim SSDI/more food stamps/more aid for families, etc.

This is a way of life in a culture that lives SOLELY off the taxpayer-funded handouts.

37 posted on 01/03/2011 4:55:39 AM PST by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: kittymyrib
"If you hand out “free” money, they will come.


38 posted on 01/03/2011 4:59:22 AM PST by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: Angelus
IMHO, it's SSI that is the problem. One qualifies to collect SSI if you are:
  1. A Junkie. Heroin, Crack, Meth - makes no difference. But iirc it's mostly heroin addicts.
  2. A 'homeless' Alcoholic (aka: a Wino/Bum)

The monthly amount isn't 'hugh', about $550.00 max benefit. But it adds up a tidy sum in the end.

Others qualify for SSI too. Like some who are awaiting or fighting the repeated denials for Disability. However once you get approved for Disability, any SSI monies received are deducted from your payment(s).

But giving 'FREE' money to Junkies and Winos is nucking futs. I don't know when that started but that should end pdq. And how some are collecting BOTH SSI and Disabilty (SSDI) beats the sheet out of me.

39 posted on 01/03/2011 5:29:42 AM PST by Condor51 (Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.)
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To: cva66snipe

We had a man in our Sunday School class who needed a heart transplant, couldn’t work even if he wanted to. Took him 3 tries to get on SSDI. Was on it 2 years before he could find a ‘match’. A year after the transplant when he was stable, he was back to work and off SSDI.


40 posted on 01/03/2011 7:28:36 AM PST by GailA (DEMOCRATS and RINOS are BAD for the USA.)
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To: Gaffer

Call the national number and make an appointment, those are seen FIRST over walk in’s.


41 posted on 01/03/2011 7:31:34 AM PST by GailA (DEMOCRATS and RINOS are BAD for the USA.)
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To: bushwon
Been people gaming the system since the 70s!

All I've got to do is increase my drinking from occasional to daily, and they'll send me MONEY? Where's the downside with that?

< /sarc >

42 posted on 01/03/2011 7:31:43 AM PST by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty too! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Angelus

There are 2 adults less than 2 miles from me who are brother & sister. They are in their late 30’s or very early 40’s.

They each collect $800 a month in ‘Disability” payments-—and have been for a number of years.

Because they are TOO FAT!!!

They claim they are TOO FAT to be able to work!!!

Neither one will ever make any attempt to lose weight & actually get some skill sets & get a job—instead they continue to eat their way thru life on their $800 a month each from NObama.

They squat for free in the home of their mother & stepfather. The mother is just as much of a parasite. Another story......

A contrast? I started work when I was 15 on a payroll. Part time when in High School. I am now 71.

This is the 3rd consecutive year I am collecting a FROZEN Soc Sec amount of $1039.00 Prices on everything have & are going up.


43 posted on 01/03/2011 8:38:51 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: cva66snipe

Thank you. Most people don’t realize they are 2 separate programs. One I welfare and one is not.


44 posted on 01/03/2011 9:04:15 AM PST by sheana
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To: cva66snipe

I guess I am having a hard time understanding why anxiety disorder is something that should get a person disability payments.
I understand paralysis, MS,cancer, brain damage, etc.- but anxiety disorder?
It also seems to me anxiety disorder can be easily faked.
This is why the system- well intentioned when it started- is now going broke.


45 posted on 01/03/2011 9:05:21 AM PST by kaila
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To: cva66snipe

You seem to write lucidly enough, had you ever considered trying to get a career in writing? It’s not a very big field, but for the lucky or hard-working it can be a career.

I do it as a hobby, so my income is miniscule, about $30 a column, but if I had ever figured out how to sell my column to, say, 49 other publications a week, that would have been $1500 a week for about 6 hours of work.


46 posted on 01/03/2011 9:33:00 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: cva66snipe

You are living in a dream world.

SSDI/SSI is the biggest scam in the world.

Particularly for children.


47 posted on 01/03/2011 9:38:49 AM PST by GatorGirl (Eschew Socialism!)
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To: cva66snipe

Supplemental Security Income (SSI) is a Federal income supplement program funded by general tax revenues (not Social Security taxes): It is designed to help aged, blind, and disabled people, who have little or no income; and It provides cash to meet basic needs for food, clothing, and shelter.

Sure sounds like a disability program to me. Yes, it is for people with limited resources and income, but it’s not welfare for anybody, you also must be disabled, old, or blind.


48 posted on 01/03/2011 9:40:40 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: kaila
I guess I am having a hard time understanding why anxiety disorder is something that should get a person disability payments. I understand paralysis, MS,cancer, brain damage, etc.- but anxiety disorder? It also seems to me anxiety disorder can be easily faked. This is why the system- well intentioned when it started- is now going broke

Never seen anyone in a full blown attack have you? My first attack was like a stroke. I lost all sense of where I was at, what I was doing, how I got there, where I was going, etc. I was on an interstate driving BTW. My last night at work I went into one of those attacks that lasted nearly two days. Many if not most anxiety disorders except when related to traumatic events have an underlying NEUROLOGICAL cause. The problem is many doctors do not go through the trouble to pin it down and shrinks sure won't.

IOW anxiety is a secondary disorder or a symptom produced by a medical disorder as in my case. In this case it can not be treated by a shrink nor by conventional text book meds used such as antidepressants as that only makes it worse. It took me a while to even find a doctor who could treat it. Xanax is my medication friend. A God send for someone like me.

This also greatly effects my concentration. I was a maintenance mechanic when this hit. I was trained and experienced in Commercial Electrical, HVAC, and boiler operations. Before I had to quit I was having serious problems with concentration. IOW I could have gotten myself or others killed. I was working on equipment 460 volts three phase as well as operating boilers when I wasn't repairing other equipment. I wasn't a typical maintenance man this was in a commercial health care facility environment. Now I'll show you part of what I'm talking about by letting a doctor explain some of it. Cognitive Aspects of Vestibular Disorders

I got a lot further in life with this simply because I got help when I was about 12. I spent two years in physical rehabilitation. There I learned to get by till my mid thirties when my sensory system began to fail. My attacks are complicated by Myoclonic Epileptic Seizures which occur at the same time.

Stress also complicates this. I don't just sit around drawing a check. I am a full time 24/7 caregiver. By caregiver I mean I am a trained medical care giver. I don't get paid for it. Familiy does not get paid for taking care of family. I've done it 25 years including the years I worked a full time job.

Can it be faked? The onset of MS can be faked so can brain damage. Sure anythings possible. I have 16 years documentation of my disorders. I suppose my wife could be faking her quadriplegia also. Man if I ever catch her up and walking is she ever in trouble /sarcasm.

49 posted on 01/03/2011 11:13:35 AM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Supplemental Security Income (SSI) is a Federal income supplement program funded by general tax revenues (not Social Security taxes): It is designed to help aged, blind, and disabled people, who have little or no income; and It provides cash to meet basic needs for food, clothing, and shelter. Sure sounds like a disability program to me. Yes, it is for people with limited resources and income, but it’s not welfare for anybody, you also must be disabled, old, or blind.

I've been on it once. It's been 25 years so I forgot a few things. Actually my wife and step kids were eligable I wasn't. We used it for about a year when my wife first went quad till I could get my wife stabilized and family trained so I could return to work. Our combined disability monthly income is about $1400 so we don't qualify.

50 posted on 01/03/2011 11:21:09 AM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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