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Sen. Tom Coburn's claim on percentage of SSDI, SSI recipients is on the mark.
tampabay.com ^ | December 18, 2010 | Louis Jacobson

Posted on 01/02/2011 11:36:02 PM PST by Angelus

The statement "One in 19 Americans today get SSDI or SSI. That's one in 19 Americans (who) are disabled." Sen. Tom Coburn, Dec. 1, 2010, in a meeting of the Simpson-Bowles deficit commission.

At a meeting of the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform — the Simpson-Bowles commission tasked with finding a solution to deficits — one panel member, Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., cited disability payments as an example of government spending "out of control."


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To: cva66snipe

To be fair, I overstated my objection to your comment. You weren’t wrong in pointing out that it’s like a welfare program; I was only noting that it requires both being poor AND having a disability (or being old).


51 posted on 01/03/2011 11:30:33 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: REPANDPROUDOFIT
I worked in a public school. There were two full time counselors on staff and they spent a large part of their time processing SSI claims for ADD and ADHD students. It was a severely abused process. Made us sick to see these moms, who didn't work at all, come in with paperwork for 3 or 4 kids. They were always "very anxious" to start getting those SSI checks! You assume that we are all heartless creeps with no sympathy for the disadvantaged! Wrong! The truly disabled deserve help. But, we have no sympathy for those who refuse to help themselves or those who contrive to get benefits!

Nah I don't think anyone so far is a heartless creep. But I do know the solution to the ADD ADHD issue. Most kids I'd guesstimate 90% diagnosed as ADD ADHD are actually C.A.P.D. and would not be entitled to any special funding. C.A.P.D. can only be tested by Audiologist which stops Big Pharm Lobby. Audiologist can only prescribe hearing aids LOL.

52 posted on 01/03/2011 11:40:05 AM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: GailA

I had and appointment. It took that long to get to see someone.


53 posted on 01/03/2011 11:56:38 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: rambo316

I worked as an SSI claims rep. right out of college for a year. Absolutely disgusted me to the point I quite and went back to grad school rather than promote that evil program.

Most of the applicants had “bad nerves” or a “bad back”. Nothing wrong other than a streak of lazy in 90% of the cases. If I could disqualify them on financial grounds I would, but once it went to the dept. of determinations it was all on the medicos then.

One thing you could count on, if a man or woman got it, within 6 months you could bet the house payment their significant other would be in there filing with the same ailment.

This was 20 yrs. ago and the full check was around $700 or $800 then, and they always wanted that “good medical card, cause it pays for everything!” that came along with SSI.

The tipping point for me was when the office manager came into the weekly staff meeting and informed us they were beginning an advertising campaign because we were not getting enough applicants for SSI.


54 posted on 01/03/2011 12:01:55 PM PST by sarge83
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To: cva66snipe
First off, you can detect MS from a MRI. Probably not at the beginning stages, but i doubt people with MS are claiming disability right after diagnosis. It is after a few years of increasing problems with the disease, that they then claim SSI.

I think anxiety disorder is a neurosis, not a psychosis.
Many Americans have neurosis, I just do want to pay for it with my tax dollars.
If you have a psychoses like schizophrenia then you do deserve SSI. However, anxiety is a neurosis. I have anxiety, also. My anxiety is the stress of my job, and that my husband and I have to work longer,and delay retirement so that people with neurosis can live on my increasing tax burden.
There is such a thing as job retraining. Especially prior to the last recession, you could have retrained into a different profession if the one you currently are in does not suit your physical abilities.
I especially suspect people who have a laundry list of ailments to support their disability status.
It is great that you are able to take care of your wife ( who deserves SSI).
But some people ( including my coworkers) have to support ailing family members while working full time.
I have a brother who collects SSI. he suffered high jaundice as a newborn, and caused kernicterus. he deserves SSI, as he is very disabled. I would have loved it if he only had an anxiety disorder.

55 posted on 01/03/2011 12:10:50 PM PST by kaila
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To: Angelus
I have some apartment rentals and would estimate that about 3 out of 4 applicants list SSI disability as their income. Most of them "appear" to be quite able.

Also, when I fist moved to where I live now, I hired a guy who lives on his sailboat at a nearby marina to mow my lawn on a regular basis. He had been fighting to get his lifetime disability for about 3 years (for falling off a ladder). He finally got it, along with a retroactive payment. He kept working mowing people's lawns, and spent most of his spare time sailing (solo) and boozing. He did however manage to finally drink himself to death.

56 posted on 01/03/2011 12:12:41 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: CharlesWayneCT
You seem to write lucidly enough, had you ever considered trying to get a career in writing? It’s not a very big field, but for the lucky or hard-working it can be a career. I do it as a hobby, so my income is miniscule, about $30 a column, but if I had ever figured out how to sell my column to, say, 49 other publications a week, that would have been $1500 a week for about 6 hours of work.

LOL Let me post to you without any editing. I can't see my own grammar or sentence structure mistakes. My brain has trouble with recognizing then correcting such mistakes. My concentration window per day can be as little as 15 minutes and is fatiguing. You may not understand that part but it is a common trait in Vestibular Disorders.

I stay busy as much as my mind and body will allow me. I have a full time 24/7/365 job at home. People complain about cost let me throw some figures out there. Our annual income is $17,000 roughly. Thats for two person both on SS disability combined income. Now then if I wasn't taking care of my wife she would be in a skilled care facility. That would run anywhere from $50,000-$75,000 per year. Which is cheaper? If I was able to work I would but my own medical issues plus my wifes medical issues make it impossible. Taking care of both of us is about my limitations.

I do have a realitive who has only finger movement and works. A person has to assist on the job including driving etc. That means that person also must be paid. The job? Government funded created make work. Going around interviewing other disabled to work in government make work programs. These back to work programs usually do not pan out due to the realities of the diabilities. They are however a windfall for the contractors running such training programs.

This afternoon I took our van to a repair shop for a repair 16 years ago I could have done myself which is a water pump replacement. Like I said if I could I would. I haven't been under a vehicle in 15 years. Vertigo hits me hard when I do.

57 posted on 01/03/2011 2:06:50 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Angelus

The Boston Globe ran a great series on the SSDI scam. Had 2 democratic congressmen promising to bring it up this session.

ADD and ADHD now qualify for SSDI payments. One family was receiving $800 a month/child for ADHD “disability”


58 posted on 01/03/2011 2:11:25 PM PST by Hoodlum91 (There's a strange odor coming from the White House. Smells like BO.)
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To: GailA
We had a man in our Sunday School class who needed a heart transplant, couldn’t work even if he wanted to. Took him 3 tries to get on SSDI. Was on it 2 years before he could find a ‘match’. A year after the transplant when he was stable, he was back to work and off SSDI.

He was very fortunate in many ways. I knew one of the first kidney transplant patients in our state. He had to remain on it till he died. I know a person who has a severe heart condition. Can't be by-passed no more and the arteries are clogging around the heart ruling out transplant. This is from hereditary issues. The person has been told it's a matter of time. It took that person two years and a lawyer to get SSDI. To look at him and talk to him you'd think healthy as a horse. He's by no means healthy or able to do even minimal work. He can care for himself that's about it.

This is what some are not getting though. Just because a person can walk and talk and you can't see with your eyes a disability doesn't mean they don't have one..

59 posted on 01/03/2011 2:24:20 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: kaila
First off, you can detect MS from a MRI. Probably not at the beginning stages, but i doubt people with MS are claiming disability right after diagnosis. It is after a few years of increasing problems with the disease, that they then claim SSI.

One of the first things they checked me for due to my symptoms was MS. Like I pointed out many anxiety disorder patients are ones like myself that have other neurological issues and Anxiety is A SYMPTOM of that disorder. One very common disorder is Inner Ear Infection. It can trigger major anxiety.

The problem is most doctors no longer do enough detective work nor ask the right questions so these disorders are detected and treated before permenant damage happens.

I had a cousin who had anxiety real bad. Loud noises etc would set him of. He spent thousands on test and doctors. I told him he likely had Inner Ear issues. He finally went to a semi-retired old geezer GP who asked the right questions. Questions like were you in Nam? Were you exposed to loud noises like artillery fire while there? Did you have ear infections as a child? Five shrinks did not ask me any of this line of questioning nor did my doctor by my medical history pointed toward it as well.

You don't get it though. I have been told by all doctors who have treated me I can not work. You have no idea about stress. You likely would walk out of the situation I am in and say no not me. Part of what made my physical decline arrive sooner rather than later was stress. I worked 12-14 hours a lot of days. Then I came home and cared for my wife who depends on me for all her needs. I worked till I could not work anymore then I went back to work and did more damage? You happy now? You know about as much about anxiety disorder and differing causes as you likely do rocket science.

Let me school you on a few things. Try this web search. Anxiety +Vestibular Disorders. Better yet here ya go http://vestibular.org/vestibular-disorders/symptoms.php a very respected source. Not all anxiety didorders are mental illness or neurosis but rather a symptom of neurological impairment.

Excerpepted from that site as Vestibualr symptoms related to anxiety

Cognitive and psychological

* Difficulty concentrating and paying attention; easily distracted
* Forgetfulness and short-term memory lapses
* Confusion, disorientation, difficulty comprehending directions or instructions
* Difficulty following speakers in conversations, meetings, etc., especially when there is background noise or movement
* Mental and/or physical fatigue out of proportion to activity
* Loss of self-reliance, self-confidence, self-esteem
* Anxiety, panic
* Depression

That was not from a mental health site BTW.

60 posted on 01/03/2011 2:54:47 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe

I know, I’m one of them. Fibromyalgia, Osteo A in both hands, 5 disc, Osteo Porosis in right hand, Hypo-Thyroid, Peripheral Neuropathy in legs and feet, now I’m getting frequent bouts of tendinitis related to the Fibromyalgia as is the Peripheral Neuropathy. I look healthy, the pain is there 24/7/365, the fatigue and short term memory fog is too.

And there is no arthritis drug made that I can take if I want to have a working gastro-intestinal tract. Fibro meds blur what little vision I have left, as well as cause more brain fog, or cause my hands and feet to swell causing MORE pain. No win situation.

Takes me over half the day to do what use to take 2 hours.


61 posted on 01/03/2011 2:56:18 PM PST by GailA (DEMOCRATS and RINOS are BAD for the USA.)
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To: kaila

BTW Neither me nor my wife draw SSI. We draw Social Security Disability Insurance. That is not the same thing as SSI.


62 posted on 01/03/2011 2:58:15 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: GailA

Yeouch that’s a lot on your plate I know about most of them. Good Luck.


63 posted on 01/03/2011 3:01:43 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe
As evidenced by the “diagnosis” the above posters have written about- this SSDI and SSI system needs a serious overhaul.
Too much fringe diagnoses, which results in “disabled” people relying on the producers to support them.
Nothing you have said convinces me that you are seriously disabled because you have thrown out so many disorders- none which relate to each other.
So I guess we can end this discussion because you are going to believe what you believe and I will wind up paying for it.
64 posted on 01/03/2011 3:10:43 PM PST by kaila
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To: kaila
Nothing you have said convinces me that you are seriously disabled because you have thrown out so many disorders- none which relate to each other.

Oh My Sides LOL! What do you think controls ones balance and coordination? The Vestibular System which includes portions of the brain. This means the Sensory Processing system. . Every ailment I have except for arthritis is directly related to it. Think for a moment single eye functional, partial deafness, Menieres disease, poor coordination, Myoclonic sensory triggered seizures, and a misdiagnoses of ADD ADHD all point to the same general area. It isn't one disorder I have it is several all related to the same part of the body the sensory processing portion. This portion determines what whe brain hears and sees and how it is to be interputed.

There is a huge difference between being able to care for yourself in your home enviroment and actually being able to work.

If I had typical G.A.D. then antidepressants would help me. They are like poison to me and can trigger an adverse reaction because of my neurological damage.

What I have learned about my disorders much of it I had to seek out on my own. It started with a book called Phobia Free I found by accident. Phobia Free was written by a doctor nearly two decades ahead of his time who had linked some anxiety disorder to hidden and undetected Vestibular Disorders. Without that book I would not be typing right now I would be an Agoraphobic.

I'm not scared of my attacks like most anxiety patients are. I know and understand the cause of them and adjust my enviroment accordingly to limit those triggers. But I can not stop all attacks as it is also a form of Epilepsy. That too would be a logical direct connection to sensory processing. My seizures didn't start till I was 34. That is why I finally had to go on disability. Medication can only do so much.

65 posted on 01/03/2011 4:47:34 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe

Your post says it all.


66 posted on 01/03/2011 5:27:32 PM PST by kaila
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To: cva66snipe
I have no idea if you should or should not be on SSDI. That is between you, God, and the govt.

I wrote about facts of a SSDI case I am very close to.
I know for a fact that this person is able to work. It was and is a total case of gaming the “I want mine” system we have set up.

Now if you want to debate fibromyalgia, that is another story. It is one of those auto-immune disorders that have vague, “could be anything” symptoms. Easy disorder to claim you have the symptoms for, but are next to impossible to prove or disprove.

I don't know if the disorder is real or not. (I have my doubts) But I do believe that most people (women) are exaggerating their symptoms and/or are flat out lying. Maybe for sympathy or attention or excuse not to work, or in this case for getting on the govt. dole.

We all have our aches and pains and problems as we age. Hell, my father worked his adult life after fighting in two wars with an extremely painful leg disability and near complete deafness from working with missiles.
He worked because that is what you did.
He died of emphysema. I believe he stopped working about 2 months before dying.
My father is my hero.

I have little to no respect for people who can work but won't and take money out of my pocket to afford the luxury.

Our Country is broke. We cannot afford to fund this baloney anymore.

The truly disabled should receive help. The majority of these SSDI recipients should be re-reviewed and probably taken off the dole.

67 posted on 01/03/2011 5:50:17 PM PST by Aurorales (I will not be ridiculed into silence)
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To: Aurorales

Amen to that


68 posted on 01/03/2011 6:51:10 PM PST by kaila
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To: Aurorales
There's a lot of disorders out there that have generalized names. Transverse Myelitis is a good one. Usually given a spinal cord patient when the doctors can not determine the cause for the immune system to attack the myelin sheath. Fibro years ago may have been known as Rheumatism to many who had it. Or it could also be another disorder which the doctors have not pinned down yet. Insurance companies like diagnostic names {codes} in order to give payment to the doctors. To receive payment without such in most cases is impossible. It's just like the term Epilepsy. Most persons immediately think falling on the floor trying to swallow tongue convulsions. That is the most severe form of it and there's about 40 or so different types that can cause anything from daydreaming to grand mal seizures. Cancer is another catch all name believe it or not but people except it. Cancer is a class of diseases. How many persons would dare question anyone who says they have cancer? Not many. Most would not even ask what type.

I've been reviewed at least twice myself to continue SSDI. My wife I think once but after 25 years she's not going to walk. Her hand function is good enough for her to do a lot of things for herself eventually but not good enough to work. If I could work I would but I would now have to hire a sitter for her. No family can't do it for me. My sibling is in bad shape and has to have 24/7 constant monitoring. Strokes do that to a person. Yea that person is fixing to go on SSDI. Sibling didn't need it till wage earning spouse passed a few weeks back.

Freepers I can likely say in all honesty except for the poster who is a wounded vet I have likely been around and seen far more disabilities and disabled persons than anyone on this thread. I went to school with them. I don't mean one kid out of the school disabled I mean the entire school student body was there due to disabilities. Some were obvious some were not. It was a regional school in Oak Ridge Tennessee now closed due to mainstreaming. I'm glad it was there. Without it I would have missed out on a lot. It taught me some important lessons that stuck with me. Persons with disabilities no matter how mild or severe are usually just trying to make it in life. They hold no grudges and they have their dreams and wishes.

That school would prepare me for a life in my distant future in loving a disabled spouse. It would prepare me for military service so well that the doctors missed everything. It gave me enough coordination where I could up till I retired climb a ladder safely to do my work.

Years later I would spend my evenings at a local rehab hospital with my wife being trained for being her caregiver. When she came home I was ready. Some want to look down on me that's fine. Lets see you be a caregiver for 25 years. You better hope disability never hits you. Most marriages where a spouse becomes disabled during the marriage do not last. The healthy spouse can not except the disabled ones limitations. We were dating when this happened to her and married after the fact. No regrets.

There's been many things we could have gotten including home health nurse visits once a week we turned down. We've asked for nothing except for what we need to get by. Any of you no matter your position in life are likely one catastrophic illness or injury from SSDI.

Are there abusers? Likely so. Self inflicted like addicts should be tossed off. As well a catastrophic illness will send many to bankruptcy court. Went there once 23 years ago. When mine hit it required no hospitalization for me. My wife though with hers spent six months in the hospital at which her insurance was canceled 30 days after her last sick day.

Be thankful for your health if you have it.

69 posted on 01/03/2011 7:10:53 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: kaila
Your post says it all.

And yours say a lot about you. None of it anything you should be proud of either.

70 posted on 01/03/2011 7:12:47 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe

I think you belong to DU-not Free Republic.
I work in the medical field- and your chart with your self “diagnosis” would give a red flag to anyone.
I am sick of seeing people who truly need help crowded out by people who are scamming the system.
Since no one could find out what was wrong with you ( as you previously said- you diagnosed yourself because physicians could not figure out what was wrong with you)- you got disability by a psych diagnosis.
Not even a good psych diagnosis- like schizophrenia and bipolar , but “anxiety’.
That is a crock of BS.
You can report me, and I could get banned, I don’t care.
I am just trying to make it to retirement- but the takers are greater than the producers. It is getting more difficult to save anymore.
Why should I support you?
My brother- with severe mental and physical disability due to his brain cells being fried post delivery- works full time at McDonalds. He works alongside Downs Syndrome kids.
You state that you are a conservative on your page.
However, a conservative supports small government, low spending.
I don’t see that from you.
This is the problem with our government.
You can call me noncaring.
But I can tell Shiite from Shinola.
Be gone.


71 posted on 01/03/2011 7:36:29 PM PST by kaila
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To: cva66snipe

I will add one more thing.
Everyone has been so polite to you on this thread.
But, I see this country going down the crapper due to all the massive spending.
It is time we stopped being polite, and tell it like it is.


72 posted on 01/03/2011 7:48:27 PM PST by kaila
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To: kaila
LOL. Really? Hey just because I take time to try and educate myself you say it's self diagnosing? If I hadn't done the look ups I might damn well be dead because of what the doctors were doing wrong in ignorance.

16 years ago much of this stuff wasn't in the books. If you are in fact in a medical field you might know that if the disagnoses is not correct for G.A.D. and it is neurological damage involved instead causing the issues then SSRI therapy can cause Serotonin Syndrome?

Ever actually seen Serotonin Syndrome? Ever Diagnose it when five doctors and two shrinks could not nor give you answers? I did. My wife had it. I figured it out when after a week of hell for my wife when I typed in Trazodone +Zoloft +adverse reactions. Yea a simple PDR they failed to do. Well who'd a thunk it. She too has anxiety and depression to boot. She is a C-5 c-6 incomplete quad. It is due to Transverse Myleitus likely Post Polio related due to limb measurements taken by a PT. My wife at the time was a CNA. She's 4'10 and lifted 200 pound plus patients.

I had to learn everything from diagnosing Dysreflexia to changing Folleys to doing skilled skin treatments. We don't get home health.

So what is one of the first things a quad looses besides movement ability? It's Inner Ear function. That's what a tilt table is for.

I didn't learn about my disorders over night. I learned it over a period of years. The only clues I had to go on was poor coordination and some messed up responses as a very young kid like stopping up my ears at visually scares and screaming at loud noises. When I was about 8 I went to an eye doctor who caught on that my eyes could not function both at the same time. That was in the mid 1960's. I was used to it. I still have to tell the eye doctors I see. I really messes with depth perception too.

The seizure part is what really had the doctors stumped. That was the part that did not fit text book G.A.D. I didn't even know it was called Myoclonic seizures till about 5 years or so ago. Evidently they are rare in adults but more common in children. Only three things can stop them for me. Either getting out of the offending sensory trigger, popping a .5mg Xanax under the tounge sometimes twice in a 30 minute time frame if we're out somewhere, or believe it or not if I'm home playing my six string.

Some of this is also in my service record like being placed on the hearing conservation program due to hearing loss. I was medically waivered out of the boiler rooms on the ship due to Inner Ear difficulities. These were very large boilers and you stayed there for hours on end. I could monitor smaller commercial ones that did not require me being in the space at all times.

Do you even know how shrinks work? I do. You see them 5-15 minutes every three months and they write scripts. I fired 5 till I found one who would stop the SSRI nonsense. I was having an upset stomach and headache from them as well as becoming agiated. What do you think that was leading too? When one finally put me on .5Mg Xanax 4 times a day life got better. It stops the seizures usaully. My wife was put on it 24 years ago by 4 doctors who saw her anxiety was triggering symptoms simular to a heart attack. She's fine with them. I've taken it 16 years no problems with the problems to be concerned with. But I don't drink.

What I have learned and told my doctors who then did their own look ups has helped them to keep from giving me meds that can whack me out. The only ones who didn't believe me was shrinks imagine that LOL.

73 posted on 01/03/2011 8:33:03 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe

All I know, is that I work in the medical field and showed your posts to people who work in medicine.
They are laughing their heads off.
Good night.


74 posted on 01/03/2011 8:41:15 PM PST by kaila
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To: kaila
A certain Heath Deparment Director in East Tennessee wouldn't be laughing with you. At one time she was our doctor in her private practice and knows I am telling the truth about my condition and my wife's as well. Look up Serotonin Syndrome. Do you know what the countering medications are? Benzo's. Did you know Paxil or other SSRI's can block a males bladder and cause Dysreflexia? I didn't the doctors didn't warn me. Do you even know what that condition is? I really doubt it. How would I know unless I worked with a quad? You don't have much time when it hits. It's shock and untreated the person dies and horrid death.

Yea I had my wifes in house doctor at the level one hospital tell me Serotonin Syndrome was rubbish too when I showed him the paper. He quickly backed off when he read the authors name. Then he went into a CMA mode and found the bleeder caused by it. It was their professor's paper on Serotonin Syndrome. Because all the doctors involved failed to do a PDR of the meds she still has partial amnesia 9 years later. Go ahead ping any of FR's posting doctors you wish to say I'm wrong on this stuff. A hand full of Freepers know about some of it as I told them about it years ago. One Freeper is actually on this thread :>}

If I was in all this for money me and my wife would be very rich right now. Believe it or not all we did was write letters to the two hospitals involved Chief of Staff saying it better never happen to anyone else.

But lets see if I can keep my stories straight shall we :>} Try post 23 in this link. Tennessee Freeping Help Needed

75 posted on 01/03/2011 9:20:07 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: rambo316
To top that off, I know somebody who went as far as having some kind of box put in her neck to stop her from having epileptic seizures that she has never had to guarantee that she stays on disability; life is so good on disability, that she had personalized license plates put on her car with the name of the thing that she had put in her neck.

I suspect that some taxpayers might call it a "squeezebox" as they wrap their hands around her scamming neck.

76 posted on 01/03/2011 10:09:27 PM PST by meyer (Obama - the Schwartz is with him.)
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To: kaila
Thank you.

By the way, I agree with your assessment on anxiety disorders.
neurosis, not a psychosis” is correct.

I believe many of us suffer with some degree of anxiety.

I also agree with “I especially suspect people who have a laundry list of ailments to support their disability status.

When people start building their disabled case on symptom after symptom after symptom.....well it becomes questionable.

It is like throwing darts at a wall full of balloons. The more balloons, the more probability you will hit something that works.

Even if our Country could afford this scam, (we can't of course), we need to put an end to it.

We owe it to every honest, hard working American who pays taxes. We owe it to every honest, hard working American who goes to work with a hurt back, or bad headache or whatever......
This scam is just all sorts of wrong.

77 posted on 01/03/2011 11:13:14 PM PST by Aurorales (I will not be ridiculed into silence)
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Let's go to a Vestibular issues related thread and see what is posted by some OTHER Freepers. Seems I'm not the only one who has these symptoms.

Need advice on Hearing Aids

78 posted on 01/03/2011 11:32:38 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe

I agree with FReeper “kaila”.

Why do I have to pay you for your hardships? I am sorry for your woes, but to be blunt...we all have them.

I have sympathy “cards” I could play. I’m a vet, I have anxiety, I do have grand mal seizures, hell my knee hurts most days.
So what. I go to the doctor, I try to take care of myself, and my husband loves and supports me. That is what most everyone does. They don’t expect others to carry the load.

I got into debt taking on the care of my elderly mother and disabled brother. I didn’t ask the govt. for help. I just took it on.

The more symptoms and woes you tack on to your posts aren’t going to get you any more sympathy.

There are disabled people who need help. That is obvious. But for you to deny that many people are gaming the system for money is ridiculous.

This thread started with the stat of “1 of 19 Americans are on some kind of disability”. That statistic was shocking to me and made me mad. You accepted it and expect conservative FReepers to be OK with it as well.

I will never be OK with it. I pay a crap load of my money to fund this sham. I want it to stop.


79 posted on 01/03/2011 11:38:20 PM PST by Aurorales (I will not be ridiculed into silence)
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To: Aurorales
Look I can qualify either way for this disability either through SSDI or VA as part of my hearing issues are in my service records. I got to go at the end of the month to V.A. for a second pair of hearing aids. The first ones to put it plain and simple I got ripped off. It was $5000 my family paid out not taxpayers.

At V.A. the audiologist is more skilled at nerve damage and sensory processing issues. The first hearing test I had early last year was accurate though. The audiologist tested me and saw me seizing at certain tones. These hearing aids should have better filtering.

Outside of my SSDI check and farly low yearly medical cost covered by Medicare I pay the rest. Most of the things I have to have Medicare doesn't cover. Hearing Aids, Corrective shoes, etc. It was just this past year I finally went through V.A. for some of it.

I do not believe 1 in 19 are on SSDI. SSI? Maybe but not SSDI. The reason is the standard of qualification and burden of proof for SSDI is much greater. I can remember I was placed on SSI after I retired and when my SSDI was approved the SSI I had recieved up till then was taken from my first check which was about six months or so SSDI back pay.

Now let me ask you something. If you and your husband had a car wreck in the morning and it inflicted catrostrophic damage what would you do? What would the ones you help do? You'd be at the SS office or you would starve and loose your home unless you made enough to purchase catriostrophic illness insurance. BTW most of those type policies have lifetime caps.

I have to laugh at the rants in here. Strain at a gnat swallow a camel. The cost of SSDI is nothing compared to the cost of taxpayer supported nursing homes which no one bats an eye at. I worked in them. Many of the patients were there simply because family could not be bothered. Some needed to be due to advanced diseases or nearing death most did not. You haven't heard the outrage till you try and cut off the nursing home industry. They have a very powerful DC lobby.

Those places get established as NPO's with a board of directors. The B.O.D. members get outragous salaries for simply attending meetings once a month. Medicare is their cash cow followed by private insurance co-pays. Do the math. If a disabled person is home especially a blue color disabled they will draw SSDI far below the cost of a nursing home. Lets see if any members of the house or senate call for cutting that.

80 posted on 01/04/2011 12:27:22 AM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: traditional1

You got that right. Lifstyle choices. And we all have to pay for it. Makes me sick.


81 posted on 01/04/2011 12:34:36 AM PST by rambo316 (Rush is Right)
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To: ridesthemiles

ahhh. Parasite. Great word.

They are all parasites on society.


82 posted on 01/04/2011 12:41:11 AM PST by rambo316 (Rush is Right)
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To: cva66snipe

What is a incomeplete Quadriplegic? I never heard of that. In another post, you said that you are a care giver, for your wife. You think that justifies you getting paid by the government to take care of a family member? Another sister-in-law was just diagnosed with stage four ovarian cancer; my wife and I are her caregivers; we work full time jobs and support her.


83 posted on 01/04/2011 12:50:55 AM PST by rambo316 (Rush is Right)
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To: cva66snipe

You don’t live up in Albany, NY do you. Just asking because that is the mindset up there.


84 posted on 01/04/2011 12:53:28 AM PST by rambo316 (Rush is Right)
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To: cva66snipe
“Now let me ask you something. If you and your husband had a car wreck in the morning and it inflicted catrostrophic damage what would you do? What would the ones you help do? You'd be at the SS office or you would starve and loose your home “
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See, you have learned nothing from what I have posted. I would not turn to the govt. (read taxpayer) for help. I would turn to my family, friends, my church, my self, and of course I would pray to the Good Lord for help.

I believe the govt. is not the answer to my problems and woes.

I get it...you have health problems. (the list keeps getting longer each time you post) Many of us do.

I just subscribe to the belief that Americans should not be forced into paying for others. If people want to give willingly then fine. (for example I willingly donate money and food and time)
I do not believe in forcefully taking money from hard workers to give to moochers.

You could continue to list a million more “I have problems” to your list and I still won't agree with you.

I believe in helping truly disabled people. Not people who have problems but can and should be doing some kind of work to help themselves.

You are obviously able to type coherently your troubles and woes here on FR. It is also obvious you have the time to do this as well. Do the math.

Americans are getting sick and tired of this crap. And I am one American who is not afraid to say it out loud. The taxpayers are not your keeper.

85 posted on 01/04/2011 12:55:52 AM PST by Aurorales (I will not be ridiculed into silence)
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To: sarge83

To top it all off. Here in NYS, I’m sure its in all other states now but these parasites are given so called ‘benefit’ cards to spare them embarrassment. The card is used just like an ATM card at a banks atm.


86 posted on 01/04/2011 1:02:42 AM PST by rambo316 (Rush is Right)
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To: rambo316
What is a incomeplete Quadriplegic? I never heard of that. In another post, you said that you are a care giver, for your wife. You think that justifies you getting paid by the government to take care of a family member? Another sister-in-law was just diagnosed with stage four ovarian cancer; my wife and I are her caregivers; we work full time jobs and support her.

An incomplete quad basically means the damage did not result in full quadriplegia. A full quadriplegic basically has no movement from the neck down. Quadriplegic means all four limbs hit. In her case all four limbs were hit but she got back the use of her hands somewhat. No leg usage fully wheelchair dependent and unable to transfer from the chair to the bed and vice versa.

We're not certain what all happened. It was likely a combination of several factors. One being stress which weakened her immune system. Another is it is very likely being born in 1950 she had a very mild case of undetected Polio. The doctors think this because her limb measurements were typical to Polio damage. Yet another is a narrowing at C-5 & C-6 in her spinal cord. One last thing is the myelin {sp} was damaged. She spent three months in a hospital recovering and three months in a hospital in spinal rehab.

No what justifies my disability is I am in fact legally disabled. All of the doctors I have had since 1994 agree to that fact of the matter. So did the SSDI examiner. This happened to her in 85. I worked till 1994. I did have to take a year off in 1986 when she came home to care for her till family {her teenage kids and my parents} learned to help care for her. It was that and therapy and doctor trips and I had to do the lifting etc.

87 posted on 01/04/2011 1:11:58 AM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: rambo316; cva66snipe

Isn’t it funny that “cva66snipe” answered your first question (medical problem) at great length, but failed to address your second question. Or even mention your caregiving of your family without govt. support.


88 posted on 01/04/2011 1:22:40 AM PST by Aurorales (I will not be ridiculed into silence)
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To: Aurorales
You'd be at the SS office. Now if you want to talk ending it fine. End it in a way that does not hurt those already in the system disabled who can not opt out into private insurance. What chaps my butt good is everytime a stinking politican wants to crow about Budget Cuts the disabled is where the jerks look first. This is true in federal as well as state.

Medicaid a system which was intended to be catrostrophic illness of worker or death of wage earner has been turned into Universal Health Care in my state. Guess who they keep trying to toss off the roll? And you think I shouldn't be madder than hell about it? I expect this coverage to be honored the same as if I had paid a private insurer the premiums. I had to pay uncle there was no choice. At $6.25 an hour supporting a family working 12-14 hours a day I could not afford any more insurance.

I'm sick and tired of ones who think by waving their magical Libertarian wand it will end all this overnight and to hell with who gets hurt doing it. Who do you want to start in on after that? Disabled Vets?

Gee I do wonder if the good doctor senator ever took a penny of Medicare. If so then he should pay ever last cent back. Right?

89 posted on 01/04/2011 1:35:52 AM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Aurorales
Or even mention your caregiving of your family without govt. support.

I DID NOT EVER AT ANY TIME GET PAID TO BE A CAREGIVER. COULD YOU PAY A QUARTER MILLION HOSPITAL BILL OFF? DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT CATROSTROPHIC ILLNESS EVEN IS? I ONLY MADE $13,000 a YEAR AT MY FULL TIME JOB. MAYBE MORE TOWARD THE LAST DUE TO OVERTIME. I TOOK A $4000 INCOME HIT GOING ON DISABILITY.

I'll tell you what though. It would actually make far more sense to pay a family member say $9000 a year or even $5000 to care for someone full time than to pay $50,000 Plus per year for a nursing home. Most Nursing Home patients are Medicare patients. I'm not saying it should be done but rather it would simply make more sense and save Billions in tax money. Get back with me when Coburn goes after nursing homes.

90 posted on 01/04/2011 1:53:48 AM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Aurorales

Yeah, people like that are so self centered and all they think about is themselves and their circumstances.

This is indeed such a huge problem and it is why our government is falling to pieces.


91 posted on 01/04/2011 1:54:41 AM PST by rambo316 (Rush is Right)
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To: rambo316
Yeah, people like that are so self centered and all they think about is themselves and their circumstances

You Stupid Horses Rear. If I was self centered I would not be married to a quad I would have walked out instead. Likely like you would do. I'd done lost one wife due to death. I nearly lost this one as well while dating and several times afterward.

92 posted on 01/04/2011 2:00:37 AM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe

I already told you I would not go to the govt. for help. Don’t put your obviously strongly held belief of mooching off the govt. on me.

I don’t know about your other “problems”, but reading comprehension is not your strong suit.

And please don’t try to win your argument by throwing disabled vets in my face. I am a veteran. My husband is a retired veteran, and my father was a disabled retired veteran.

I believe in taking care of our men and women who served honorably and who are disabled until they can get on their feet and work again.

Contrary to your belief, most truly disabled people, including our veterans want nothing more than to be able to take care of themselves and their families again.

Again, don’t ever speak for me. I don’t mooch off of taxpayers. I didn’t even use the public school system to educate my son. I home schooled him from kindergarten to high school.

I am not a Libertarian waving a wand. I am a Conservative American who believes in my Country giving me the CHANCE to succeed and prosper. This Country never promised anyone the right of success. It gives the opportunity to try.


93 posted on 01/04/2011 2:16:46 AM PST by Aurorales (I will not be ridiculed into silence)
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To: cva66snipe

Nice job resorting to ugly name calling.

Your posts do make you sound self centered. All that matters is you. Pay no mind to the hard working American taxpayers who afford you the liberty to type on FR and who you scorn for daring to be upset about it.

I would hope you married your wife out of love and not pity. But who knows.

(By the way, there are posting rules on FR which frown on ugly name calling. But you should know this by now.)


94 posted on 01/04/2011 2:22:57 AM PST by Aurorales (I will not be ridiculed into silence)
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To: Aurorales
Nice job resorting to ugly name calling.

Calling me self centered was first blood IMO. I was engaged to my wife before marriage. Before her my first wife had died one morning of a massive heart attack after I left for work. She was 23. Now maybe you might understand why I had to be treated for PTSD and why a bunch of things came crashing down on me at once. More things than my mind and body could handle. Within a year before my disability I saw my daughter nearly die in a wreck and later I was involved in one at work {I was rear ended} and thought an infant had died when I checked the car that hit me.

Life stresses added to my own medical conditions & were a major factor that triggered a chain of irreverisble and permenant medical events. It took a therapist five years just to get me past PTSD. In the mean time I had made more ER runs with my wife than I could count.

95 posted on 01/04/2011 2:35:56 AM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe

Saying Self-centered and saying Stupid Horses Rear are a little different you have to admit.

Me thinks thou doth protest too much.

Your laundry list never ends.

I am sorry for your troubles, but what gives you the right to take my money to fix them?

Simple question.


96 posted on 01/04/2011 2:43:21 AM PST by Aurorales (I will not be ridiculed into silence)
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To: Aurorales
but what gives you the right to take my money to fix them?

What gave the government the right to take money from my pay for insurance? If I was collecting SSI I might see your complaint. All money I have taken in SSI was repaid. If you pay Social Security from your wages you too are covered the same as me in the event of disability. You'd likely draw a much higher check though. Disability checks are based on what you paid in. The more you paid in the higher your check is.

I feel no more guilt than if I was drawing the same coverage benifits from a private insurer. Why? Because premiums were paid for a service at some point in my life I may or may not have ever needed. I never figured I'd be disabled actually. Do you feel guilty for filing insurance claims with private insurers and taking others peoples premium money? Just curoious?

97 posted on 01/04/2011 3:04:22 AM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe
My wife has clinically diagnosed PTSD from physical and emotional childhood abuse she suffered. I fortunately make enough money (with economizing) that she hasn't had to work since 2002 in order to be able to sort through everything and try to get her mind cleared to where not every little stress can drive her into a mix of rage, tears and confusion - a trait that made it hard for her to keep a job more than six months throughout her adult life. It has not been a linear, even process but she is getting better.

Folks who haven't either experienced such or dealt with a loved one who has often cannot understand how profoundly it affects a person.

98 posted on 01/04/2011 3:52:00 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: rambo316

Yep. I knew a guy who got Disability for drugs


99 posted on 01/04/2011 3:57:51 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Aurorales

“fibromyalgia “

Another common one is epilepsy


100 posted on 01/04/2011 3:58:59 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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