Skip to comments.Historical Coincidence and a Hawaiian Birth Certificate
Posted on 01/05/2011 12:09:44 PM PST by FreeAtlanta
I have this nasty habit of researching things that I take an interest in; Ive been that way forever. I think I learned more from researching topics on my own than I did from formal schooling. I read a book, see a movie, hear an abbreviated news report, and bang Im at the family encyclopedia, at the library, nowadays online. Well, there I was, in my kitchen slurping up some hot delicious soup and reading the tail end of a new Sam Spade novel written under license by a Dashiell Hammett biographer, Joe Gores. The story includes a fictional Chinese woman who claims to be the daughter of Sun Yat-sen, the real-life father of nationalist China. The overall Spade story takes place in San Francisco in the period between the end of WWI and the start of the Depressionits meant as a prequel to the Sam Spade Maltese Falcon novel.
Im a bit rusty on my Sun Yat-sen legacy, so to brush up on his background and chronology of events I Googled Sun Yat-sen. At the top of the Wikipedia page, and again in a section titled Early Years, Suns birth date and then birth place is listed as November 12, 1866 in Guangdong province (16 miles north of Macau), in the Empire of the Great Qing of China.
Sun Yat-sens history goes on to relate how after receiving a few years of local school, at age thirteen, Sun went to live with his elder brother, Sun Mei, in Honolulu. Sun Mei, who was fifteen years Sun Yat-sen's senior, had emigrated to the Hawaiian Islands as a laborer and had become a prosperous merchant. According to the listed birth date the year that Sun went to Hawaii was 1879.
Everything jives with the new Spade novel; Joe Gores did his homework.
A bit more reading about Sun reveals that he eventually graduated from a small Hawaiian college and then returned to his native land, China. Its at this point that Sun Yat-sens history took on a dramatic story twist, a twist that has absolutely nothing to do with Sam Spade, but it may be the key to solving a mystery story of its owna story that has been simmering at the top of our national news ever since Barack Hussein Obamas name began being bandied about as a presidential candidate.
It seems that around the turn of the centurythe old one1900 or 1901, Sun Yat-sen returned to Hawaii. It was at this time in his life that Sun was involved in politics and trying to free China from its dictatorial monarchy. In 1904, Sun obtained a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth, issued by the Territory of Hawaii, stating he was born on November 24, 1870 in Kula, Maui. (See the Wikipedia entry at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Yat_Sen#cite_note-11)
The discrepancy of birthdates didnt startle me, but the significance of the documents meaning did.
It has been said that Barack Obama, current president of the United States of America, was not born in Hawaii or anywhere in America, as claimed by him and his supporters, thereby invalidating him to run for and hold the office of the President of the United States. For some peculiar reason, while a candidate for president must produce income tax records, he or she is not required to produce a genuine birth certificate.
Obama himself doesnt respond to the issue, which could be answered by simply providing a legally acceptable copy of a genuine birth certificate. Instead, what has been circulated is something that is called a Certificate of Live Birth from the State of Hawaii. It sort of sounds the same, but even the State of Hawaii doesnt say that a Certificate of Live Birth is just the name for the document that is otherwise known as a Birth Certificate. There is a distinctive difference. (Sun Yat-sens certificate of live birth can be found online at http://www.scribd.com/doc/9830547/Sun-Yatsen-Certification-of-Live-Birth-in-Hawaii )
Other resources corroborate Suns birth date and place as 1866 in China. See http://www.notablebiographies.com/St-Tr/Sun-Yat-Sen.html for example.
Some argue that proof of Obamas Hawaiian birth can be found in the birth announcements of local Hawaiian newspapers. But, birth, death, and marriage announcements can be phoned in or submitted by mail. In todays identity-theft, security-conscious world, it may require some institutional or quasi-governmental documentation to get one of these announcements published, but at the (alleged) time of Obamas birth America and Hawaii was a very different place. Newborns were not immediately assigned social security numbers and I have the feeling that finger and sole prints were not regularly being taken.
So there are three, no four, conclusions that I draw from this research:
1) Its a complete and utter coincidence that Hawaii issued Certificates of Live Birth to these two politicians.
2) Every one hundred years or so Hawaii issues a fake birth document to someone that they would like to call a native son.
3) Sun Yat-sen is really a native-born Hawaiian of Chinese ancestry, who returned to his ancestors homeland to fight for its freedomsomething that all American-born Chinese can proudly salute.
4) You know, wink-wink, nudge-nudge.
There is one other strange but apparently true coincidence to this entire affair. Joe Gores, writer of the Sam Spade prequel Spade & Archer, who has worked in his life as a private investigator, a repo-man, a truck driver, a logger, motel assistant manager, and of course journalist, also worked as an English teacher in Kenya, Africa, perhaps around the time of Barack Obama's birth. You know, Kenya, the country where Barack Obamas father was born and citizen of. (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Gores)
Marc J. Rauch is co-publisher of the Auto Channel.
To my eye, and I think for many other people, the very pictures you posted show your assumption to be incorrect. Naturally these two men are not going to look identical but they have a very similar jaw line that many people have remarked upon, including right here on this website.
But my granddaughter looks more like me than either parent. So, resemblance to his grandparent means nothing much.
You just contradicted yourself. The fact that your granddaughter looks like you is evidence that she is related to you.
That's exactly what I was saying is the case with Obama and his grandfather Stanley Dunham.
If you had been following my discussion with "Fred Nerks" you would see that I am NOT claiming that Obama is really the son of his grandfather (as a number of people around here seem to believe). Mr. Nerks often brings up a number of weird theories such as Stanley Ann Dunham is not really Obama's mother and I think that the above mentioned resemblance is evidence against this idea.
BTW my son looked a lot like my father for a while. At other times people have said he looks like me.
“If you were born in Hawaii before it was a state, would you be eligible to run for President?”
Perhaps, if your parents were both US citizens. Per Vattel: “THE whole of the countries possessed by a nation and subject to its laws, forms, as we have already said, its territory, and is the common country of all the individuals of the nation.” Thus, a territory is part of the nation and citizens of the territory are citizens of the nation. However, both parents must be citizens for the child to be a natural born citizen.
Again, per Vattel: “The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.” Because Obama was born of a foreign father, if he was born in Hawaii the US is merely his place of birth, not his country.
During the 1960s I personally witnessed several new Mommies coming in to ship their cars back to Hawaii (via Matson Lines http://www.Matson.com ) shortly after their giving birth elsewhere, inside or outside the Mainland United States.
These new Mommies were told by other Mommies present to just go to the Honolulu Officals and proclaim that thier newborns were born in Hawaii and a Birth Certificate showing so would be automatically produced.
It was THAT commonplace ..and well known about by many.. back then..!!!
This was during a 9-10 year window after Hawaiian Statehood when they could get away with it.
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