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Authorities: 2nd man cleared in Giffords shooting
Associated Press ^ | Jan.8, 2011

Posted on 01/09/2011 12:04:12 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY

TUCSON, Ariz. (AP) -- Arizona authorities say a second man has been cleared of any involvement in Rep. Gabrielle Giffords shooting.

Pima County Sheriff's Deputy Jason Ogan said Sunday that the man, a suspected accomplice in the shooting Saturday, was not involved.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: accomplice; gabriellegiffords; giffords; lonegunman; lonenut; loughneralone; noaccomplice
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1 posted on 01/09/2011 12:04:15 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Oh darn! The lefties were hoping he was a Tea Partier.


2 posted on 01/09/2011 12:07:19 PM PST by screaminsunshine (Surfers Rule)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The looney left will be crying as we speak that they dont have a 2nd person to pin right wing madness on.


3 posted on 01/09/2011 12:07:30 PM PST by sunmars
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To: Free ThinkerNY

All just another rant from a retarded liberal sheriff.


4 posted on 01/09/2011 12:09:12 PM PST by Terry Mross
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Well...there goes plan B to blame this on the Tea Party or Sarah Palin. Wonder what they will come up with next?


5 posted on 01/09/2011 12:09:12 PM PST by penelopesire (Let The Congressional Hearings Begin!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

So the “Caucasian man in blue jeans” wasn’t the “real killer”. So much for Clarence the Clown’s racial profiling gig.


6 posted on 01/09/2011 12:09:25 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (DNC memo - "Don't let this thing go to waste! Exploit! Exploit! Exploit!")
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Can someone point me to an article that discusses the other victims of the psychopath? Was there a conservative federal judge killed? How do they know he wasn’t the target? I hope other conservative judges have good security.


7 posted on 01/09/2011 12:11:35 PM PST by KansasGirl
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To: Free ThinkerNY

From the beginning, it was obviously a lone shooter with major psychological issues. Crazy people do crazy things.


8 posted on 01/09/2011 12:13:43 PM PST by RC one (WHAT!!!!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

I guess Sheriff ‘Moose’ couldn’t find the two white guys in the van.


9 posted on 01/09/2011 12:13:50 PM PST by d2e
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To: Free ThinkerNY

It’s official, a lone Liberal Lunatic commits murder.


10 posted on 01/09/2011 12:14:39 PM PST by tobyhill
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To: d2e

LOL! Just saw a short clip of Mueller’s presser. Clarence was standing behind Mueller sniffing like a dog.


11 posted on 01/09/2011 12:16:31 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (DNC memo - "Don't let this thing go to waste! Exploit! Exploit! Exploit!")
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To: Free ThinkerNY

“Arizona authorities say a second man has been cleared of any involvement in an attempted assassination of U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson.”

They’ve jumped the shark so badly on this case that they’ve damaged credibility not only in the news, but in law enforcement too.

The pathetic shills who flogged this unmercifully crossed the boundary into “what the hell is going on here?” territory with the voters.

Allowing no crisis to go to waste means being able to MANAGE the crisis, not let it go completely FUBAR into the realm of slanderously unbelieveble speculation as this did.


12 posted on 01/09/2011 12:16:34 PM PST by OpusatFR
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To: KansasGirl

I don’t know where I read or heard that the judge was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. (I think my husband told me, and I don’t know if he heard it or read it.) The judge goes to Mass every day. He usually goes downtown to Mass. He was running late yesterday and went to Mass at a church near where the shooting occurred. He stopped at Safeway to see his good friend, Gabby Giffords, when he saw the sign for the event. It was a coincidence that he showed up and was killed.


13 posted on 01/09/2011 12:17:47 PM PST by petitfour (Are you a Dead Fish American?)
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To: screaminsunshine

The lefties were hoping he was Todd Palin.


14 posted on 01/09/2011 12:19:25 PM PST by popdonnelly (Your political opponents want you to shut up.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

These events are depressing enough without having to listen to leftist idiots trying to blame it on conservatives.


15 posted on 01/09/2011 12:21:01 PM PST by popdonnelly (Your political opponents want you to shut up.)
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To: KansasGirl
The judge was not scheduled to be there but just happened to be passing by. The fact that Congresswoman Giffords happened to be the first person shot indicates that she was the target. Once she had been shot, the shooter then shot randomly into a crowd, not taking time to aim at anyone in particular.

Having said that, it is important to keep focused here. The seriousness of this tragedy has nothing to do with a conservative federal judge being shot and killed, but that a Democrat politician was shot. If the judge had been the target and the congresswoman had not been shot, we wouldn't have had an appearance and statement by Obama for days (unless he wanted to give a shout-out to someone).

16 posted on 01/09/2011 12:21:04 PM PST by Hoodat (Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. - (Rom 8:37))
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To: Free ThinkerNY
authorities were not ready to say if they are confident the gunman acted alone

He most likely did work alone. If there was someone else, it would be in the LE's best interest to put it out that there wasn't anyone so he'd slip up.

17 posted on 01/09/2011 12:21:04 PM PST by bgill (K Parliament- how could a young man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: KansasGirl

“Can someone point me to an article that discusses the other victims of the psychopath? Was there a conservative federal judge killed? How do they know he wasn’t the target?”

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/palin-target-graphic-in-perspective/

Go to link and see the second comment, by jwest, who points out that the judge was the first person to be shot, and could possibly have been the primary target.


18 posted on 01/09/2011 12:22:00 PM PST by rwa265 (Christ my Cornerstone)
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To: petitfour; KansasGirl

That is correct, petitfour. The Judge was not scheduled to be there so it was nothing more than a terrible coincidence.


19 posted on 01/09/2011 12:22:41 PM PST by GatorGirl (Eschew Socialism!)
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To: KansasGirl

I don’t think the federal judge killed was conservative. He just happened to have stopped by the gathering after attending a church service. And like a few other folks where in the wrong place at the wrong time.


20 posted on 01/09/2011 12:23:07 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Probably was just the shooter’s boyfriend. Nothing to see here... move along.


21 posted on 01/09/2011 12:23:53 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: d2e
I guess Sheriff ‘Moose’ couldn’t find the two white guys in the van.

From what I hear, Chief Moose finally solved the case by calling in his cousin who happened to be a first rate investigator.

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22 posted on 01/09/2011 12:24:09 PM PST by Hoodat (Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. - (Rom 8:37))
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To: popdonnelly
The lefties were hoping he was Todd Palin.

I feel a "Chuck Norris" joke coming on...

If Todd Palin went on a "rampage", an entire Congressional district would be field dressed and jerked before the first call to 911 came in.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

23 posted on 01/09/2011 12:25:34 PM PST by The Comedian (Puzzling puzzle pieces precisely proliferating panoramically.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

This shoots a hole in the conspiracy angle. It was one lone Nut.


24 posted on 01/09/2011 12:25:46 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Terry Mross
All just another rant from a retarded liberal sheriff.

As I said when this supposed accomplice was first mentioned, this sheriff is not to be trusted, so we should wait and see.

Earlier, NPR was responsible for spreading the false news that Gifford had been killed, which the other news agencies including Fox all picked up. NPR then apologized for the mistake. They said that the reason they announced she was dead was BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THIS LOONY LEFTIST SHERIFF TOLD THEM.

25 posted on 01/09/2011 12:26:48 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: SE Mom; mass55th

There’s finally an article about it, I simply heard it on the radio last hour.


26 posted on 01/09/2011 12:27:25 PM PST by hennie pennie
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To: Free ThinkerNY; moder_ator

Second man was a cab driver who went in to the Safeway with him to get money to pay for the cab ride.


27 posted on 01/09/2011 12:28:10 PM PST by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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28 posted on 01/09/2011 12:28:42 PM PST by RedMDer (restoration of our honor, dignity, and freedoms will save America. - Sarah Palin)
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To: KansasGirl

The Federal Judge was a GHW Bush appointee. He was there only because he’d been in the area and stopped by to say “hi” after mass.

One aide, a director of local outreach, was killed and a 9 yo old girl born on 9/11/01. Details of the other three have not been released.


29 posted on 01/09/2011 12:29:16 PM PST by newzjunkey (Well wishes to all the families affected by the Tucson shooting.)
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To: petitfour

How do we know the judge wasn’t being followed? Maybe the rally and the killers writings were part of a set up to make Gifford look like the intended target.


30 posted on 01/09/2011 12:29:23 PM PST by TBall
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To: Marine_Uncle

The judge was a Bush 41 appointee. Regarded as a conservative, as is the congressional district.


31 posted on 01/09/2011 12:29:52 PM PST by sbMKE
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To: KansasGirl

This has been explained many times by the judge’s family. He had gone to mass at a Catholic Church VERY close to the Safeway supermarket, and on the way back from services, he spontaneously decided to stop at Gabby’s ‘Meet-n-Greet.’


32 posted on 01/09/2011 12:31:27 PM PST by hennie pennie
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To: rwa265

The media also reported that Gabby Giffords was dead. Twice. And even the president said that she “was” a good friend or some such.

Here’s a first hand account: http://azstarnet.com/news/local/article_6033d7cc-032d-5fe4-8ce1-6fc8cb069303.html


33 posted on 01/09/2011 12:31:39 PM PST by petitfour (Are you a Dead Fish American?)
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To: KansasGirl
WA Post has more released details on the other identified victims.
34 posted on 01/09/2011 12:34:33 PM PST by newzjunkey (Well wishes to all the families affected by the Tucson shooting.)
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To: petitfour
The media also reported that Gabby Giffords was dead. Twice

Yet they want us to believe the crap their pundits and guests spew today.

I think NOT.

35 posted on 01/09/2011 12:34:48 PM PST by prairiebreeze (The Professional Left: Using Your Dollars to Promote Their Agenda Since the 1930's.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

I think the purpose of their talking about the supposed second suspect wasn’t that they actually thought he was involved but simply to cause people to associate in their minds a white, middle aged guy (ie, member of the conservative/Tea Party/traditional American demographic) with the killing.


36 posted on 01/09/2011 12:36:18 PM PST by ruination
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To: rwa265; muawiyah; fight_truth_decay; SE Mom
>>>> "Go to link and see the second comment, by jwest, who points out that the judge was the first person to be shot, and could possibly have been the primary target." <<<<

The judge?

Are you certain that this is correct?

I thought that eyewitnesses specifically stated that Loughner came up from behind Rep. Giffords and shot her in the temple.

I have never once heard of the judge being shot FIRST.

VERY peculiar for this to suddenly come out.

37 posted on 01/09/2011 12:36:33 PM PST by hennie pennie
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To: hennie pennie; newzjunkey; GatorGirl; Marine_Uncle; rwa265; Hoodat; petitfour

Thank you everyone for the clarifying information. I wasn’t out yesterday and didn’t even hear about this heinous crime until late yesterday evening.


38 posted on 01/09/2011 12:38:19 PM PST by KansasGirl
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To: KansasGirl
There was SO much stuff mis-reported, from the get go.

I had been listening to the radio when suddenly an announcer broke in and said something about a political assassination had just occurred.

On TV it became hour upon hour upon hour of PALIN bashing and nasty accusatory remarks about the Tea Party.

I have yet to hear anyone on TV mention that the only person in tears was Rep. Michele Bachmann who had tears streaming down her face and was very upset about what had happened to her friend Gabby Giffords.

AND this website was extremely slow for many hours after the tragedy.

We will be learning FACTS for many weeks.

39 posted on 01/09/2011 12:46:46 PM PST by hennie pennie
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To: ruination

That Sheriff wanted a conspiracy really bad. I thought it was BS from the moment I read the Shooter’s internet ravings.
Nobody works with someone like that.


40 posted on 01/09/2011 12:47:08 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Terry Mross
Dupnik should have this outburst pinned on him for all to see, and, if his office had anything to do with ignoring previous death threats from this mentally ill person, or in allowing him to register a gun (if it was a registered gun), then it should be shouted from the roof tops and he should lose his job. The left, including this leftist sheriff, obviously have no limits when it comes to pushing themselves and their agenda. Others, including a nine year old child, a political aide, and a US judge were killed in this attack, and all the left cares about is if they can somehow manufacture a connection with Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, or anyone else on their list of those they actually hate. Theirs is the party of hate.
41 posted on 01/09/2011 12:48:12 PM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: hennie pennie
You are in a small gathering ~ maybe 25 people ~ and your attention is suddenly diverted by:

a. A jet plane smashing into the WTC

b. A gun is put to the head of the Congresswoman you are visiting

c. Two cars ahead someone brakes suddenly and a guy smacks your car from the rear.

Which happened first?

Interestingly enough many people wouldn't be able to tell you if any two of those events occurred on the same day.

Here we have a situation where people are in fear of their lives, a guy is just pumping out rounds and people are falling, and sure you may have seen a pistol at the Congresswoman's head, but she could have been third in line ~

The police will interview everybody on the scene to get a clearer picture.

42 posted on 01/09/2011 12:48:22 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: petitfour

What you said about the judge is what the sheriff said at his cranky press conference yesterday.

As for the speculation about who the shooter’s target was, I think they assume it was the congresswoman because he went straight to her and shot her first.

Also, she was identifiable at the event. The judge was just a bystander, not there in any official capacity.


43 posted on 01/09/2011 12:53:29 PM PST by Jedidah
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To: muawiyah

Definitely not c because I couldn’t get 25 people into my car.


44 posted on 01/09/2011 12:56:35 PM PST by Marak (I don't deal with reality.)
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To: hennie pennie

Confusion and errant facts are normal when something like this occurs.

It’s not conspiratorial, just normal “fog of war,” unavoidable until things settle down. Happens every time.

I’m reading Bush’s “Decision Points.” Interesting chapters on all the misinformation and confusion on 9/11.


45 posted on 01/09/2011 12:56:57 PM PST by Jedidah
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I was thinking the second man was his “boyfriend”.


46 posted on 01/09/2011 1:10:05 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

it does appear an earlier posting of yours was correct.


47 posted on 01/09/2011 1:11:40 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Bless and Protect Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Hoodat

Your recollections are correct. Though I posted elsewhere the Judge’s involvement with a very curious case just concluded where he was likely to rule against the administration. It appears he was the victim of bad luck.


48 posted on 01/09/2011 1:14:20 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (Half of the population is below average)
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To: sbMKE; KansasGirl
"The judge was a Bush 41 appointee. Regarded as a conservative, as is the congressional district."
Thanks sbMKE. My brain is turning to mush.
KG. Sorry for misleading you on that one. Sadly, now I remember reading earlier on about the Judge's appointment attributes.
49 posted on 01/09/2011 1:14:22 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....)
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To: Marine_Uncle

No harm. When I read you post, I thought, huh, liberal judges don’t attend church. ;-)


50 posted on 01/09/2011 1:16:39 PM PST by KansasGirl
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