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Gunman’s Former College Instructor: ‘I Was Afraid for My Life’
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Posted on 01/10/2011 5:04:12 AM PST by bronxville

Gunman’s Former College Instructor: ‘I Was Afraid for My Life’

January 10, 2011 at 7:37am by Scott Baker

“I wasn’t too surprised that it was Jerry Loughner. I felt like he was planning something all along – I just didn’t know when he was going to do it and where he was going to do it. Just from what the other students said, and what I experienced in the classroom, I just thank God he did not do anything to us. It is very sad to hear what happened yesterday.”


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1 posted on 01/10/2011 5:04:15 AM PST by bronxville
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To: bronxville

Well its just too bad he didn’t call the Feds....


2 posted on 01/10/2011 5:06:51 AM PST by spokeshave (Islamics and Democrats unite to cut off Adam Smith's invisible hand)
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To: bronxville

Just like Hasan. Everyone KNEW what was coming.

Everyone SUPPORTED what was coming by their silence.


3 posted on 01/10/2011 5:08:02 AM PST by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: bronxville

Where are his parents and what kind of help did they try to get him?


4 posted on 01/10/2011 5:09:28 AM PST by carmody
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To: bronxville

Before Jimmah Carter released the insane from asylums, society was safer. Now, it is their right to make sane people cower in fear. Credit should be given to the Pimo Co. Community College staff, who actually took action to protect their students from this occult-worshiping crazy by barring him from their campus.


5 posted on 01/10/2011 5:11:26 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: fight_truth_decay; SE Mom; No Illegals; muawiyah; LucyT; STARWISE
*ping*

For anyone who happens to be actively researching insane mass murderer Jared Lee Loughner --- apparently he was known to his college profs as, "Jerry."

Want to bring this to your immediate attention for any google searches you are conducting that MAYBE Jared used this nickname somewhere online.

6 posted on 01/10/2011 5:11:37 AM PST by hennie pennie
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To: bronxville
The NYT says people are asking "Why, why, why, why?

While the Miami Herald AP story explains it quite clearly.

[Excerpt]...........Loughner’s alienation from his friends was gradual.

The Loughner they met when he was a freshman at Mountain View High School may have been socially awkward, but he was generally happy and fun to be around. The crew smoked marijuana every day, and when they weren’t going to concerts or watching movies they talked about the meaning of life and dabbled in conspiracy theories.

For a time, Loughner drank heavily, to the point of poisoning himself, the friends said. Once, during school lunch break as a junior, he downed so much tequila that he came back to class, within five minutes passed out cold, had to be rushed to the hospital and “almost died,” one friend said.

Mistrust of government was Loughner’s defining conviction, the friends said. He believed the U.S. government was behind 9/11, and worried that governments were maneuvering to create a unified monetary system (”a New World Order currency” one friend said) so that social elites and bureaucrats could control the rest of the world.

On his YouTube page, he listed among his favorite books “Animal Farm” and “Brave New World” - two novels about how authorities control the masses. Other books in the wide-ranging list included “Mein Kampf,” “The Communist Manifesto,” “Peter Pan” and Aesop’s Fables.

Over time, Loughner became increasingly introspective - what one of the friends described as a “nihilistic rut.”

An ardent atheist, he began to characterize people as sheep whose free will was being sapped by the government and the monotony of modern life.

“He didn’t want people to wake up and do the same thing every day. He wanted more chaos, he wanted less regularity,” one friend said.

The friends said Loughner told anyone who would listen that the world we see does not exist, that words have no meaning - and that the only way to derive meaning was during sleep. Loughner began obsessing about a practice called lucid dreaming, in which people try to actively control their sleeping world.

Several people who knew Loughner at community college said he did not engage in political discussions - in fact, he didn’t talk much at all, and when he did classmates cringed.

“He made a lot of the people really uncomfortable, especially the girls in the class,” said Steven Cates, who attended an advanced poetry writing class with Loughner at Pima Community College last spring. Though he struck up a passing friendship with Loughner, he said a group of other students went to the teacher to complain about Loughner at one point.

Another poetry student, Don Coorough, said Loughner read a poem about bland tasks such as showering, going to the gym and riding the bus in wild “poetry slam” style - “grabbing his crotch and jumping around the room.”

When other students, always seated, read their poems, Coorough said Loughner “would laugh at things that you wouldn’t laugh at.” After one woman read a poem about abortion, “he was turning all shades of red and laughing,” and said, “Wow, she’s just like a terrorist, she killed a baby,” Coorough said.

“He appeared to be to me an emotional cripple or an emotional child,” Coorough said. “He lacked compassion, he lacked understanding and he lacked an ability to connect.”

Cates said Loughner “didn’t have the social intelligence, but he definitely had the academic intelligence.”

“He was very into the knowledge aspect of school. He was really into his philosophy classes and he was really into logic and English. And he would get frustrated by the dumbed-down words people used in class,” Cates said.

Loughner expressed his interest in grammar and logic on the Internet as he made bizarre claims - such as that the Mars rover and the space shuttle missions were faked.

He frequently used “if-then” constructions in making nonsensical arguments. For instance: “If the living space is able to maintain the crews life at a temperature of -454F then the human body is alive in the NASA Space Shuttle. The human body isn’t alive in the NASA Space Shuttle. Thus, the living space isn’t able to maintain the crews life at a temperature of -454F.” [End Excerpt]

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/01/09/v-fullstory/2007904/sheriff-says-gunman-acted-alone.html

7 posted on 01/10/2011 5:13:35 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: bronxville

This animal is a poster boy for the death penalty and swift justice.


8 posted on 01/10/2011 5:13:43 AM PST by thethirddegree
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To: carmody

Parents seem approximately as weird as Jared. NY Times also came up with the website where he apparently was getting his strange grammar and currency ideas.


9 posted on 01/10/2011 5:13:58 AM PST by babble-on
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To: bronxville

Say WHAT??????????????? Hell, you could have picked up the phone a million times you socialist dupe! My advice???? Get a LAWYER! You’ll be needing one! And if he’s smart he’ll tell you to STFU Stupid!


10 posted on 01/10/2011 5:13:58 AM PST by Doc Savage (Stay Thirsty My Friend!!)
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To: spokeshave

I have a friend who’s kid is in classes at a state U with a similar “personality” type. The guy goes on rants, intimidates other students...and the University does nothing. If a complaint has to be lodged, it has to be lodged by the student he’s intimidating...and the student’s being intimidated (and the profs for that matter) are afraid of retribution by the guy should he “go off the deep end.” In fact the U warns them that if they lodge a complaint this guy will know who filed it.

Sad but true, and the definition of harrassment at this particular state instutition only lists direct contact as harrassment...verbal diatribes cannot be counted.


11 posted on 01/10/2011 5:19:04 AM PST by dawn53
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To: thethirddegree

I assume the parents were killed in a car crash on the way home from the hospital and only this moron survived!!! How the hell do you explain knowing this cretin as your SON ALL THESE YEARS and not having ANY idea that he WAS INSANE!!!!!!!!!!!! The parents should be locked up immediately! Lawsuit,...here I come!


12 posted on 01/10/2011 5:20:38 AM PST by Doc Savage (Stay Thirsty My Friend!!)
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To: bronxville

Great reporting. Now we need someone to find out about his parents. Who are they, why haven’t they been interviewed or the associates of them been interviewed? How was his mother able to get the charges dropped against him? If the sherrif hadn’t dropped the charges, would he have been able to legally purchase a gun?


13 posted on 01/10/2011 5:21:06 AM PST by McGavin999 ("I was there when we had the numbers, but didn't have the principles"-Jim DeMint)
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To: dawn53

oops “whose” instead of who’s...also wanted to add that as far as calling the Feds, weren’t the authorities alerted to the underwear bomber by his dad?


14 posted on 01/10/2011 5:21:29 AM PST by dawn53
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To: hennie pennie
... apparently he was known to his college profs as, "Jerry." ...

Interesting. Made me think immediately of the movie "Sphere" and the malevolent force "Jerry" "I make a journey. You make a journey. We make a journey together.""I WILL KILL YOU!"...

15 posted on 01/10/2011 5:22:02 AM PST by LRS ("This is silly! It can't be! It can't be!!" "Oh yes it is! I said you wouldn't know the joint.")
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To: bronxville

Rush should read the Miami Herald’s story on the air today. People need to hear these facts instead of CNN’s Left-wing spin of this tragedy.


16 posted on 01/10/2011 5:22:08 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: babble-on

What’s their story? I haven’t heard anything about them. All I’m hearing is the lame media attacking free speech and the tea party while conservative media plays defense trying to hold them back. This man had a family and I’m curious to know why they aren’t being held accountable.


17 posted on 01/10/2011 5:25:49 AM PST by carmody
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To: dawn53
I had a student like this in a class a couple of years ago. No matter how many times I complained to Admin, I was told that he was mentally ill, was a protected class, and that his therapist assured us he was "safe."

Other students avoided him to the point that they all sat on one side of the classroom, an he sat alone on the other. He would talk to himself, draw during class and engage in random, nonsensical, non-topical outbursts. Students complained to their advisers, I spoke to endless department heads and Deans....nothing. Finally, he sat in class and threatened to commit suicide and take people with him.

I called security and had him escorted out -- and I still was summoned to a disciplinary meeting because they felt my actions were discriminatory.

I still think this kid will go off one day.

18 posted on 01/10/2011 5:26:47 AM PST by Malacoda (CO(NH2)2 on OBAMA.)
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To: Diogenesis

...”Just like Hasan. Everyone KNEW what was coming.

Everyone SUPPORTED what was coming by their silence”..

We are seeing Political Correctness bear it’s rotten fruit.


19 posted on 01/10/2011 5:29:47 AM PST by jazzlite (esat)
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To: dawn53
I have a friend who’s kid is in classes at a state U with a similar “personality” type. The guy goes on rants, intimidates other students...and the University does nothing. If a complaint has to be lodged, it has to be lodged by the student he’s intimidating...and the student’s being intimidated (and the profs for that matter) are afraid of retribution by the guy should he “go off the deep end.” In fact the U warns them that if they lodge a complaint this guy will know who filed it. Sad but true, and the definition of harrassment at this particular state instutition only lists direct contact as harrassment...verbal diatribes cannot be counted.

That is the case at the state university where I teach. Some years ago, a student from Saudi Arabia was angry that he failed two courses, one of them mine. The student said that he wanted me and one of my colleagues killed. The department secretary was alarmed enough that she contacted the university administration.

The response from the upper administration was tepid. They were sure the student did not really mean what he had said; he was just upset. They promised to "do something" if he repeated his threats. That was it.

I went out and purchased a concealable handgun, which I carried with me until that student graduated and returned to Saudi Arabia.

20 posted on 01/10/2011 5:32:19 AM PST by Logophile
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To: carmody

basically the neighbors say the dad is an angry weird loner. The interesting thing is that they really do seem to have found the website where Jared was getting his ideas. The guys running the website more or less said, yes, it sounds like he’s been reading our stuff. Loopy paranoid nonsense about the currency, immigrants and grammatical control.


21 posted on 01/10/2011 5:36:12 AM PST by babble-on
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To: Doc Savage

I hate to throw water on a good rant, but there are lunatics like this all over the public schools nowadays. My wife has several students who are completely insane and are only able to function in a somewhat normal manner if they are heavily medicated. They are in the same classes with normal kids.

There have been numerous incidents where they have skipped medication and acted out. Thankfully, none have shown tendencies towards violence, but all it takes is a forgotten pill and one weird idea in their head.

It is entirely possible that Loughner was functional with medication and as an adult, chose to stop taking it. His parents can’t really be blamed for that. Sometimes, these kids use trickery to make their parents think they took their meds when they didn’t.


22 posted on 01/10/2011 5:39:47 AM PST by perfect_rovian_storm (The worst is behind us. Unfortunately it is really well endowed.)
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To: Doc Savage
WE don't know enough abut the parents to judge them

But I will say it can be extremely difficult for middle class parents to get help for a severely mentally ill teenager

The rich can afford to go through the commitment process, the poor get those servcess paid for by the gubmint with help of gubmint lawyers and social workers to force it to happen despite all the laws impeding parents from getting treatment for almost-adult choldren ...but middle class? Just try going thrugh this on your own, at your own expense....

A large mental health center here will admit as inpatient for 3 day max, all prepaid upfront - many insurances won't touch this type of illness or pay for a couple days or weeks at most- every 365 days. Many teenagers are strong, wily and resistant enough to challenge every aspect of the commitment process. Judges and social workers will sympathize with the kid not the parents and even blame the parents

With no guarantee of treatment success, parents can pay out of pocket for inpatient care - see how fast $1000+ per day out of pocket evaporates in trying to get a child diagnosed and treated for an illness that, factually, may never be cured or even controlled enough to permit release

in a society that is hostile and resistant to getting and keeping your child hospitalized unless and until they have engaged in actual mayhem

23 posted on 01/10/2011 5:40:47 AM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; All

I’m assuming that’s a conservative newspaper. Rational sanity at last.

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24 posted on 01/10/2011 5:43:10 AM PST by bronxville
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To: bronxville

I’ve never regarded the Miami Herald or the AP as anything but left-leaning. So the reporting and the publishing of these facts was very interesting.


25 posted on 01/10/2011 5:47:51 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: bronxville

In a situation like this why doesn’t the concerned person call every imaginable local, state, and federal agency until SOMEONE pays attention.

I can’t imagine having something like this on my conscience. To have known and not done enough...but at the same time, with today’s PC rules/laws would “they” have been able to stop Loughner? We’ll never know now.


26 posted on 01/10/2011 5:49:42 AM PST by RoseyT (Piney Woods of East Texas)
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To: Malacoda

If I was this kid’s parent, I would be majorly upset with you, dork. There are kids you struggle with and you hope will come around. You don’t isolate them and make them feel worse and encourage your class to pull a lord of the flies on them. What kind of a person are you anyway? Have you ever been to church? How do you think Christ would have approached this situation? Are you totally compassionless? I am betting this kid’s parents are in a continuation of their living hell right now along with everyone else who lost people in Tucson. What is wrong with you?


27 posted on 01/10/2011 5:55:12 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Diogenesis
Careful where you're going there. When people can be arrested and incarcerated for the potential to commit crime all political enemies will be incarcerated. This is the logical end in leftist political discourse as its ideology cannot stand on merit.
28 posted on 01/10/2011 5:55:28 AM PST by Justa
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To: Malacoda
I had a student like this in a class a couple of years ago. No matter how many times I complained to Admin, I was told that he was mentally ill, was a protected class, and that his therapist assured us he was "safe."

What a horrible position to be in. You and your students should not have to be concerned about your personal safety in the classroom. Perhaps concern over the tragedy in Arizona will lead to a change in policy at your school.

29 posted on 01/10/2011 5:57:10 AM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: RoseyT

The parents knew they had a crazy on their hands. A responsible parent then does things to keep themselves and others safe. There are a lot of us who spied on our kids..searched their rooms..read their email..etc. Just doing our job as adults to make sure that our kids were not getting into trouble. We also talked to our kids and spent a lot of time with them and kept them involved with activities that socialized them and taught them right from wrong.
How did this guy have a gun and his parents not know it? If they knew it..then they should have known that was a big problem.


30 posted on 01/10/2011 5:57:29 AM PST by Oldexpat
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To: bronxville

When I was in college,once a semester I would always have a Jared Loughner type in one of my classes.

We all knew this type was nutz and usually they would NEVER make it through the semester.

Back then, when the nut job started making the class uneasy like Jared Loughner did, a couple of big guys would sit RIGHT next to him and the frenzy of his his rhetoric would stop IMMEDIATELY.

Now they would call it bullying, back then it was self policing our own class and the professors were always grateful.


31 posted on 01/10/2011 6:01:11 AM PST by Le Chien Rouge
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To: McGavin999

Well, we’ll never really know the facts about the kid’s parents or anything of his background because we don’t appear to have anything resembling REAL journalism anymore in this country.

FACTS and TRUTH are a thing of the past ...


32 posted on 01/10/2011 6:02:48 AM PST by LibsRJerks
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To: mac_truck

Malcoda had no business being in charge of kids in class since he acted in a cruel fashion to a kid who was suffering. He displayed no leadership skills whatsoever, just malicious indifference to one and siding with his students against him. Malacoda added to the kid’s problems and assisted in pushing him further into isolation. He should be embarrassed and ashamed and should never teach again.


33 posted on 01/10/2011 6:03:40 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: RoseyT

My dtrs a teacher. They have no rights. The administration and NEA are the bigbosses. It’s almost impossible to get a disruptive kid removed. Just one kid can keep the other 25 from learning - educational redistribution. She loves her kids, loves teaching, works 3-4 hrs extra each night w/o compensation. I’ve tried to get her to quit but she’ll never leave it. She was born a teacher...


34 posted on 01/10/2011 6:05:45 AM PST by bronxville
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To: Justa

For example, based on some of their statements and questions they have asked children about their parents, the American Psychiatric Association seem to think that people who have guns in their homes may “potentially” be mentally unstable.


35 posted on 01/10/2011 6:06:54 AM PST by Sigurdrifta
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To: spokeshave
“Well its just too bad he didn’t call the Feds....”

Be careful what you wish for. The finger of blame seems to have been pointed at everyone and everything except the shooter. You do not want to invite people to ‘drop a dime’ on you because you exhibit what they deem is “erratic behavior” or because you disagree with them politically.

Do you wish to live under constant surveillance from your neighbors, friends, postman, your barber, etc.? Do you want to be turned in to the feds because someone at work takes offense to your DTOM bumper sticker or someone at Walmart overheard you talking to a friend about 0bama being a communist? I think not.

The kid was a nut, plain and simple and should be hanged by the neck until dead on Pay-per-View.

36 posted on 01/10/2011 6:32:34 AM PST by panaxanax (IMPEACH THE MUSLIM MARXIST....NOW!!!)
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To: bronxville
“He appeared to be to me an emotional cripple or an emotional child,” Coorough said. “He lacked compassion, he lacked understanding and he lacked an ability to connect.”

Once the msm takes a breath and quits blaming Palin, the TEA party and talk radio for a moment or two, they might ask themselves their standard Oprah questions about his parents and homelife. That they haven't makes me wonder if the parents are Demonrat/obama voters.

37 posted on 01/10/2011 6:37:44 AM PST by GBA (Not on our watch!)
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To: silverleaf
Ridiculous response. Of course we can judge them. They ARE the parents for God's sake. They raised this puke and they HAVE to take responsibility.

You don't know enough about my wife and I but we have raised 5 daughters. All are college and graduate school graduates. They have NEVER used drugs. They have never been arrested. They were NEVER asked to leave college because of mental instability. They all have responsible jobs in their communities. They were all raised in church, baptized and confirmed. They DON'T have satanic altars in their backyards, or hear voices in their heads, or give any of the multiple, myriad signs of mental insanity that this druggy/drunk cretin gave off. Of Course his parents knew he was unstable! You think they were blind for God's sake? Stop trying to be a goody-two-shoes and start laying the blame where it belongs! The Parents, the sheriff, the teachers, his associates,...all of whom could have STOPPED this tragedy!!!!!!!!!!! Wake up!

38 posted on 01/10/2011 6:49:48 AM PST by Doc Savage (Stay Thirsty My Friend!!)
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To: bronxville

I blame the political correct mania for this.
If anyone had spoken out, they would have been sued; so, nobody said anything.
You can’t have it both ways.


39 posted on 01/10/2011 6:55:45 AM PST by BuffaloJack (What rights will the Obama's regime take from us today?)
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To: bronxville

It’s ridiculous. Someone might get offended if a student is viewed as having a “problem.”

I wonder how far a teacher and/or administration would have to go to get some real help in this sort of situation. There is obviously too much red tape involved. A big, sarcastic “thank you” to the PC crowd.


40 posted on 01/10/2011 7:08:45 AM PST by RoseyT (Piney Woods of East Texas)
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To: spokeshave
Well its just too bad he didn’t call the Feds...

Really, what could they do?? There's a lot of crazy people walking around out there. Do you want the government to have the power to enter into homes and search through personal effects just because someone has a mental illness? And who would define what "mental illness" is?

And those blaming his parents, I don't know anything about their efforts, but at 22, this guy was an adult. From personal experience, it is almost impossible to get someone who is mentally ill committed. Even threats of killing a family pet are not enough!!

Events like this are the price we pay for living in a free society!! But we seem have a need to attach blame to someone or something after a tragedy.

41 posted on 01/10/2011 7:11:53 AM PST by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: yldstrk
Was I supposed to force them to sit near him? His own behavior -- despite being counseled by his adviser, his therapist and me was what was making them uncomfortable. He was given a note-taker because he was incapable of following course lectures). He was given an "walker" who made sure he got from class to class, because if he got distracted, he'd forget where he was going. He was given five different tutors -- all of whom quit because he made them uncomfortable. He was given a work-study job in the bio labs, which he lost because the animals in his care kept ending up dead (though from neglect or active malice,no one was sure).

This boy did not belong in college. He was incapable of handling any social interactions. His parents were looking to get him out of the house because they could not deal with him any more and they "didn't have the heart" to institutionalize him -- they wanted him "cared for in the community."

At some point, you have to weigh compassion with the real possibility that someone can't be helped in the environment they are in.

42 posted on 01/10/2011 7:51:10 AM PST by Malacoda (CO(NH2)2 on OBAMA.)
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To: yldstrk
It takes a vilage huh?

The college classsroom is no place for the mentally disturbed and paying students have no obligation to make accomodations for such, no matter what you or the ACLU thinks about it.

43 posted on 01/10/2011 8:07:17 AM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: Doc Savage

Read on here last night that the mother works for Pima County.


44 posted on 01/10/2011 8:21:16 AM PST by Let's Roll (Save the world's best healthcare - DEFUND Obamacare!)
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To: Diogenesis
Just like Hasan. Everyone KNEW what was coming.

Indeed. He did everything but send up flares, and yet, right up until he started shooting, if the authorities had moved in and jailed him "on suspicion", there would have been a Hue and Cry from the left, and perhaps from some on the right.

Where to draw the line is the sticking point, but it seems to me that once you sound off in public that you want to kill somebody, and I'm not talking about sports, the authorities should have some leeway.

45 posted on 01/10/2011 8:59:09 AM PST by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: Doc Savage
You call me “goody two shoes” but you know JACK about me, bub.

In your parenting resume, you don't mention whether you have atttempted to raise, love and eventually buried a mentally ill child.

How many psych sessions have you ever participated in? And argued with insurance companies to help you pay for?
How many psych rehab hospitals have you called or visited?

How many outpatient therapy sessions did you take your children to? Oh wait, they never needed therapy. They were not mentally ill. Because you were such an exemplary parent.

bleechhh

We know nothing about whether Jared's parents went through any or all of the above. I have lived it and it is living hell. If they were living for almost a decade or more in this helpless horror of depression at the decline of their child, no wonder the neighhors are now telling the press they were "odd" and "unfriendly" and "detached" But you go ahead- Judge the parents of the mentally ill shooter at your will, you need no facts other than they are parents and their 22 yr old son did a terrible thing so it is their fault.

Unfortunately- I can't help but judge “goody two-shoes” (and very lucky) you. Parent of the Year. Five times over. Hooray. All we need to stop mental illness is good parents like you. Better get out there and volunteer. Maybe try fostering, or adopting a troubled kid, you obviously have all the answers.

46 posted on 01/10/2011 9:24:03 AM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: mac_truck

look, the ACLU should have stepped in and got him a group home. But cruelty and isolation don’t work, kapish? Yeah, kid needed help. No Malodorous didn’t get him any and participated in his mistreatment at college.


47 posted on 01/10/2011 10:17:26 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk
It is considered a courtesy to ping those of whom you speak in a post.

I'm sorry you do not agree, but we gave the kid every single bit of help we were legally allowed to. He flipped out on his own.

In fact, several female students wended up filing complaints because if his sexually explicit comments and actions. Would it have made you feel better if we'd made them sit next to him, so as not to damage his self-esteem further?

48 posted on 01/10/2011 11:05:02 AM PST by Malacoda (CO(NH2)2 on OBAMA.)
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To: silverleaf

Thank you for sharing this.

It is such a mistake for people to pre-judge the parents. The road for parents who have to deal with mental illness in their family is a huge weight...no one can truly understand without walking that walk thru the mental health care system. If people think that the average healthcare system is a trial...I understand the mental helath care systmem is 100 times worse....not to mention the laws which prevent parents from intervening once they become of age.


49 posted on 01/10/2011 11:14:42 AM PST by caww
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To: yldstrk
look, the ACLU should have stepped in and got him a group home.

Lemme guess, you're a card carrying member huh?

No one is under any obligation to make accomodations for the mentally disturbed, and the mentally disturbed don't enjoy special rights either. A college classroom full of paying students trying to learn is the LAST place you want to encounter such a creature.

Why is that so hard for you to understand?

50 posted on 01/10/2011 11:44:31 AM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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