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Transgender vets want military access for own
WTOP ^ | 1/11/2011 | Lisa Leff

Posted on 01/11/2011 5:20:28 AM PST by markomalley

Before handcuffing herself to the White House fence, former Petty Officer First Class Autumn Sandeen carefully pinned three rows of Navy ribbons to her chest. Her regulation dress blue skirt, fitted jacket, hat and black pumps were new _ fitting for a woman who spent two decades serving her country as a man.

Sandeen was the only transgender person among the six veterans arrested in April while protesting the military's ban on openly gay troops. But when she watched President Barack Obama last month sign the hard-fought bill allowing for the ban's repeal, melancholy tinged her satisfaction.

"This is another bridesmaid moment for the transgender community," the 51-year-old San Diego resident said.

The "don't ask, don't tell" policy now heading toward history does not apply to transgender recruits, who are automatically disqualified as unfit for service. But the military's long-standing posture on gender-identity has not prevented transgender citizens from signing up before they come out, or from obtaining psychological counseling, hormones and routine health care through the Department of Veterans Affairs once they return to civilian life.

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Former Air Force Sgt. Nicole Shounder, 52, who underwent sex reassignment surgery in 1999, has spent the last four years wearing a uniform at sea, first with the Coast Guard auxiliary and now, as a civil service mariner nurse aboard the USNS Robert E Perry, which recently supplied deployments in the Mediterranean.

Shounder considers it a privilege to wear Navy-issued collar brass and shoulder boards.

"Given my circumstances, it really is," she said. "Essentially until someone can say otherwise, I am probably the only out and open post-op transsexual in uniform for the Navy, or as close as you can be."

(Excerpt) Read more at wtop.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: dadt; homosexualagenda; mentalillness; transexuals; transgender
You knew this was coming...
1 posted on 01/11/2011 5:20:31 AM PST by markomalley
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To: markomalley

Why not just hand the current military over to them and organize a new military. The only requirement for service in the new military would be balls and brains.


2 posted on 01/11/2011 5:23:47 AM PST by davisfh (Islam is a mental illness with global social consequences)
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To: markomalley

Yep.


3 posted on 01/11/2011 5:25:03 AM PST by sport
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To: markomalley
Commander in Chief (in uniform of the day)


4 posted on 01/11/2011 5:26:04 AM PST by Vaquero (BHO....'The Pretenda from Kenya')
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To: markomalley

Holy cr@p. You can’t make this s**t up.

Somebody please post the “Aw Jeez” guy.

I retire in 10 days. Vietnam vet if that matters.

Ready to toss my cookies (urrrrrrrppp).


5 posted on 01/11/2011 5:26:15 AM PST by elcid1970 ("No Islam, no terror!")
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To: markomalley
The Mexican sheep herder wants separate quarters for his best female friend.
6 posted on 01/11/2011 5:28:42 AM PST by org.whodat
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To: markomalley

We knew this was next in the volley of attacks on traditional values. They`ll eventually get what they want, too. The floodgates have been opened.


7 posted on 01/11/2011 5:28:48 AM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: markomalley
The Mexican sheep herder wants separate quarters for his best female friend.
8 posted on 01/11/2011 5:29:52 AM PST by org.whodat
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To: markomalley
The Mexican sheep herder wants separate quarters for his best female friend.
9 posted on 01/11/2011 5:30:16 AM PST by org.whodat
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To: markomalley
The Mexican sheep herder wants separate quarters for his best female friend.
10 posted on 01/11/2011 5:30:16 AM PST by org.whodat
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To: markomalley
If this comes to pass which uniform clothing standard will they use? Some from the men's and some from the women's? We all know how badly those types accessorize themselves.
11 posted on 01/11/2011 5:33:44 AM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult
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To: markomalley

FTA: “This is another bridesmaid moment for the transgender community”

Who has the stones to tell these queers that it’s not PC to use the term “bridesmaid moment” because that is a gender specific term applied to the panoply of genders?


12 posted on 01/11/2011 5:35:02 AM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: markomalley

I think I'll join the Army....

13 posted on 01/11/2011 5:39:47 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: davisfh
Why not just hand the current military over to them and organize a new military. The only requirement for service in the new military would be balls and brains.

When/if that happens it will probably be called the Confederate Army II.

14 posted on 01/11/2011 5:41:19 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: elcid1970
I retire in 10 days.

And this is Reason #43298369 why I am so glad I am already retired from the military.

But congrats. Hope it is blue id card retired and not just terminal leave retired (easier to be recalled the latter way)

Somebody please post the “Aw Jeez” guy.


15 posted on 01/11/2011 5:49:55 AM PST by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: markomalley

Thanks!

My CAC is good for a few more years but my MRD is age based so that’s it. May join the state militia.

The HQ where I’m pulling my last duty days is papered with posters that say real soldiers celebrate diversity, don’t do drugs, and do not harass their female counterparts.

I thought real soldiers kill people, break things, and accomplish the mission. How old fashioned of me.


16 posted on 01/11/2011 5:58:34 AM PST by elcid1970 ("No Islam, no terror!")
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To: markomalley
There is no such thing as ‘transgendered’. A guy chopping his wiener off does not magically ‘make him a woman’. And, gluing an appendage to a vagina does not magically ‘make her a man’. These people are delusional. The common phrase, ‘as useless as tits on a boar’ comes to mind.

By their own definition, these people are mentally disturbed. (by their own admission!) This is clearly demonstrated by the fact that many (most) of them use mental distress as the lever to get insurance or the government to pay for their perversion.

Ok, so now we have a person with a clear and documented history of mental disturbances and mental stress, who wants to be dropped into the most stressful situation a human can endure with access to mortars, machine guns, grenades, oh yeah, that makes perfect sense.

The statistics show that gay, homo, transwhatever, this that and the other, people are 3 times more likely to attempt or commit suicide. So that is who you want next to you in combat, a mentally disturbed suicidal person who is more than likely hormonal due to medication.

Hey ARMY, I'm a horse trapped in a man's body. I want you to pay for horse reconstruction surgery and then promote me to Master Sergeant. I deserve it because *I* am special. Love me! Need me! Want me! I am horse man.

The American Left is getting to the point where they are simply denying ‘reality’ and imposing some kind of fantasy land reality. Listen, I cannot lift 500lbs. I can't. It is just reality. And no amount of legislating that people must recognize that I can lift 5000lbs, no amount of wanting or thinking that I can lift 5000lbs is going to make that weight get off the ground. There is a real thing called ‘reality’. Reality is not whatever you want or 'wish' it to be.

Mentally disturbed men and women with mutilated genitalia need help. Putting them in life or death situations where their actions can get many more people killed is simply idiotic. After all, they have already proven by how they live their lives that their actions, perceptions, and decision making capability is compromised. And that is fine with me as long as they stay away from me, my friends, my brothers and sisters, and my sons and daughters. They need to stay in their little freak cage where they belong, take their meds, get their counseling, until they eventually kill themselves.

That's fine. But putting these freaks in charge of the lives of normal, corn-fed, God fearing, Americans is a definition of insanity. So, either the politicians are crazier than the freaks, or they have an intentional agenda to get troops killed, weaken the military, and just generally cause chaos during a time of war.

17 posted on 01/11/2011 6:04:51 AM PST by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: 240B
I want you to pay for horse reconstruction surgery and then promote me to Master Sergeant. I deserve it because *I* am special. Love me! Need me! Want me! I am horse man.

Thank you for your interest. I believe we may be able to help you.

First, you must understand the limitations of reconstructive surgery and hormone therapy. Second, you must make a commitment to follow through on the regimen we provide. Third, you must undergo a period of at least one year where you live as if you were already a horse.

The truth is, we cannot provide proper equine muscles yet. However, many claim that a Briggs and Stratton 3.5 HP can provide satisfying, even superior results. Others opt for a Honda approach. Both are legitimate. There are ongoing issues with maintenanc, which you will have to provide all of your life, with low lead fuel and SAE-30 oil.

Even surgery on the vocal cords may not provide a proper whinny or neigh, but at Mr. Post's house you can be directed to our most successful post-op client. He is known as Mr. Ed, but he won't just talk to anybody.

In the early going, regular horse work will be difficult. A popular opening assignment is starting out at parks, giving rides to the children. Until the transformation is complete, you will probably have to wear a larger blanket to avoid problems with local law enforcement.

Since the second stomach operation is purely cosmetic, you won't be able to live on hay alone. You will have to supplement with vitamins an extra apples. Some of our clients grind up shredded wheat to give the illusion of hay. Whatever makes you feels fulflled.

Good luck on your quest. Gid'yup!
18 posted on 01/11/2011 6:29:47 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: markomalley

Just what the military needs

aging 50 yr old queens coming out of the closet to preen in new dress blues of the opposite sex

where is that “Ah Jeez” graphic?


19 posted on 01/11/2011 6:32:26 AM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: Dr. Sivana
Thank you Doc, but I have changed my mind, I'm happy with who I am. (nooo, you're noooot...)
...
Oh! Oh! wait a minute! No! I changed my mind again. I want the surgery, I just want to be normal, I think...no I don't...yes, you do! No, Yes, Uh...Ok, I will be a horse. This is reversible...isn't it? I'm so confused AAAAHH!

The government should do something...I have voices in my head! (fortunately, they speak a foreign language so I have no idea what they are saying) I'm just a normal guy who wants to be complete. See? See? how normal I am? I'm just an average American who wants to be a horse. What could be more sane?

(BTW, many of my ex’s already call me horse man, but that's a different story...)

20 posted on 01/11/2011 6:52:23 AM PST by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: Notwithstanding

Not if they get same-sex marriage.


21 posted on 01/11/2011 6:58:14 AM PST by stansblugrassgrl
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To: Dr. Sivana

You may be interested in this.
FYI, a real horse man. I’m sure its only a matter of time until he gets his ‘special rights’.

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2009/06/20


22 posted on 01/11/2011 7:10:47 AM PST by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: 240B

Wow, that was weird, then some.


23 posted on 01/11/2011 7:39:28 AM PST by vimto (To do the right thing you don't have to be intelligent - you have to be brave (Sasz))
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To: markomalley

Before handcuffing herself to the White House fence, former Petty Officer First Class Autumn Sandeen carefully pinned three rows of Navy ribbons to her chest. Her regulation dress blue skirt, fitted jacket, hat and black pumps were new _ fitting for a woman who spent two decades serving her country as a man.


Sorry, those ribbons and awards were given to whatever man you used to be. Of course there is a train of thought that you are still a man, just a genitally mutilated one.


24 posted on 01/11/2011 8:03:52 AM PST by Grunthor (Silence is golden, Duct Tape is silver.)
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To: Grunthor

Yes, until surgeons can get rid of the Y chromosome in transexuals’ DNA, they are still men, albeit mutilated ones.


25 posted on 01/11/2011 8:33:43 AM PST by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: markomalley

Transsexual hey I’m a Christmas tree put some lights on me.Some minds do go to waste.


26 posted on 01/11/2011 9:50:57 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: elcid1970

27 posted on 01/11/2011 11:46:41 AM PST by itsahoot (We the people, allowed Republican leadership to get us here, only God's Grace can get us out.)
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To: markomalley
Former Air Force Sgt. Nicole Shounder, 52, who underwent sex reassignment surgery in 1999, has spent the last four years wearing a uniform at sea, first with the Coast Guard auxiliary and now, as a civil service mariner nurse aboard the USNS Robert E Perry, which recently supplied deployments in the Mediterranean.

It seems Shounder's (her/his/it) 15 minutes of fame is premised upon being a self mutilated bizarre exception to reality and a useful idiot for a left that seeks to destroy any moral reference premised upon natural law and God...

Taking a quick look on google I found this:

Pistol-packing proponents of gun-owner tolerance

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Nicole Shounder of Lynnwood is an out and proud, post-operative transsexual lesbian who voted for George W. Bush. The former Air Force sergeant, now a nurse, heads a regional group called Cease Fear. It promotes firearms education and training for gays, lesbians, bisexuals and the transgendered (GLBT). Her story is part of the upcoming documentary, "Guns and Roses," by Seattle filmmakers Soyon Im and Jhett Bond.

Shounder says, "I'm in sync with Democratic Party values, but their gun-control stance doesn't work. We stand out as possible targets, and we are not going to let harm come to ourselves or our loved ones."

Obviously I am not up to speed on "gender progress" being made by the elite and enlightened left as I have not a clue what a "post-operative transsexual lesbian" is. What is it?

Was he a man lesbian trapped in heterosexual male body or was she a homosexual woman trapped in a heterosexual homosexual lesbian existence?

Hmmm, so much for the born that way theory and the immutable identity theory...

I think myself this person is just mentally disordered...

28 posted on 01/11/2011 12:39:17 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: DBeers

Nicole Shounder was my firearms safety instructor, I kid you not.


29 posted on 01/11/2011 8:12:27 PM PST by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: markomalley; All

They say to use a “slippery slope” argument is a fallacy in logic. However, if ever there was a case of “slippery slope” this situation of allowing open homosexuals in the military is. Like you said...we could see the next step coming.


30 posted on 01/12/2011 9:19:04 AM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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