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Learning Judaism from Giffords
Jerusalem Post ^ | 01/10/2011

Posted on 01/11/2011 5:44:42 AM PST by SJackson

With all our desire for a universally accepted definition, we can't ignore reality that many “non-Jews” are more Jewish than their “Jewish” fellows. Talkbacks (15) As we join in praying for the speedy and complete recovery of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, we cannot help but note how splendidly the Democratic congresswoman from Arizona has served – and, we are hopeful, will continue to serve – as a Jewish role model.

It was her “sense of the Jewish value around how we treat the stranger” that informed Giffords on the highly divisive issue of rights for undocumented immigrants in her border state, according to Josh Protas, former director of the Tusconarea Jewish Community Relations Council. At the same time, she did not lose sight of her constituents’ security concerns over the unchecked influx of illegal aliens.

Perhaps this was thanks to her acquaintance with Israel’s defense challenges. As representative for the 8th District in southern Arizona, Giffords had to straddle the disparate political opinions of liberal Tucson and its rural hinterlands. The eminently Jewish strategy she employed was a willingness to hear diverse opinions. In fact, it was during one of these exercises in intellectual openness – outside one of her signature “Congress at Your Corner” events at the entrance to a mall in Tucson – that Giffords’s strength as an attentive lawmaker was despicably exploited, becoming, at the pull of a trigger, her tragic vulnerability.

Giffords’s very Jewishness might have even been a motive in the shooting, according to a US Department of Homeland Security memorandum. Jared Loughner is believed to have had links to American Renaissance, an anti-government, anti-immigration, anti-Zionist and anti-Semitic organization. The memo notes that Giffords is the first Jewish woman elected to high office in Arizona and that Loughner’s alleged anti-Semitism is being considered as a possible motive.

SPEAKING HALACHICLY, of course, Giffords is not even considered a Jew. Her father is Jewish, but her mother is a Christian Scientist.

This genealogy did not prevent her from stating in 2006, “In my family, if you want to get something done, you take it to the Jewish women relatives. Jewish women, by and large, know how to get things done.”

According to JTA, her grandfather, Akiba Hornstein, changed his name to Giffords after moving from New York to Arizona, “in part because he did not want his Jewishness to be an issue in unfamiliar territory.” Perhaps, the grandfather’s visceral survival instinct was right on target. The shooting definitely raises concerns about renewed anti-Semitism (and about the highly polarized nature of political discourse in today’s America).

But the attack, which brought to the forefront Giffords’s noble and very Jewish personal traits, highlights the changing nature of Jewish identity in America. An increasingly more inclusive answer to the question of “Who is a Jew?” has developed in recent years. In part, this is a result of the Reform Movement’s 1983 decision to recognize patrilineal descent. This decision, which recognizes Giffords as a full-fledged Jew, made it easy for the congresswoman to integrate into her local Reform shul, Congregation Chaverim, when she began to actively embrace Judaism after a transformative 2001 trip to Israel.

But the broadening definition of Jewishness is not restricted to the Reform Movement. A similar trend is sweeping Conservative Judaism, as Dr. Adam Ferziger, senior fellow at Bar- Ilan University’s Rappaport Center for Assimilation Research, noted in a recent article in Oxford’s Journal of Jewish Studies. In “Between Catholic Israel and the ‘K’rov Yisrael’: Non-Jews in Conservative Synagogues (1982-2009),” Ferziger showed that halachicly non-Jewish offspring of intermarried Jews were no longer excluded from membership and active ritual life in American Conservative congregations. This change in policy is due, in part, to the unprecedented intermarriage rates during the last decades of the 20th century. Another possible reason might be that more and more people like Giffords have made a conscious choice to identify as Jews, yet have no intention of undergoing a conversion.

As it should, Israel’s Law of Return accommodates this complex Jewish reality by granting automatic citizenship to people like Giffords, her husband and her offspring. Critics of the Law of Return might complain that it has extended citizenship to more than 300,000 former Soviet Union immigrants who are not halachicly Jewish. But is it conceivable to exclude these “non-Jews” despite the fact that the vast majority integrate fully into Israeli society, serve in the IDF and become productive citizens? Is it conceivable to exclude Giffords, another “non-Jew,” who is so unequivocally Jewish?

With all our desire for a universally accepted definition of “Who is a Jew?” that would unify the Jewish people, we cannot ignore the complicated reality that many “non-Jews” are much more Jewish than their “Jewish” fellows. Congresswoman Giffords is one of them.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: giffords; judaism

1 posted on 01/11/2011 5:44:44 AM PST by SJackson
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Her religion doesn't appear to have been a factor at all, nor do I think it's appropriate to cite this tragedy to change Israel's laws.

2 posted on 01/11/2011 5:47:04 AM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: SJackson

JINOs? The same folks who would roll out the red carpet for their Pallie pals to take over modern Israel?

A country-without-borders is an anarchy.


3 posted on 01/11/2011 5:53:09 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: SJackson

There is only one universally accepted definition. Born of a Jewish mother or halachically converted.


4 posted on 01/11/2011 5:54:20 AM PST by hecht (TAKE BACK OUR NATION AND OUR NATIONAL ANTHEM)
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To: hecht
There is only one universally accepted definition. Born of a Jewish mother or halachically converted.

You may ridicule the idea but I believe, as a Christian, that I am a child of Abraham, by adoption.

5 posted on 01/11/2011 6:04:58 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Don't tell Obama what comes after a trillion)
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To: SJackson

Sheesh. I remember when the JPost was a respectable paper.


6 posted on 01/11/2011 6:13:00 AM PST by pgkdan (Protect and Defend America! End the practice of islam on our shores before it's too late!)
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To: SJackson
It was her “sense of the Jewish value around how we treat the stranger” that informed Giffords on the highly divisive issue of rights for undocumented immigrants in her border state

Oh my God, where the hell is the BARF ALERT???

This assclown even repeats the long-discredited "link" to AmRen.

7 posted on 01/11/2011 6:13:08 AM PST by montag813 (http://www.facebook.com/StandWithArizona)
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To: montag813

Where were her father’s ‘Jewish values’ when he blamed the tea party as her enemies. Suggesting that they were responsible for the murderous assault on her political rally.

Seemingly, he and his wife just returned from a trip with their daughter to Italy and had a visit to the Vatican.

Does he support blood libel? Does he support making false accusations against his neighbors?

What is Jewish about her ignoring the plight of those living on the border of her state.

What is Jewish about supporting a president who would deny medical care for a baby born alive following an abortion attempt.

She may be Jewish in name, but in her heart and soul, she is without conscience.


8 posted on 01/11/2011 6:30:31 AM PST by Carley (PRINTING OPINION, IGNORING THE FACTS......the msm!!!)
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To: SJackson
we can't ignore reality that many “non-Jews” are more Jewish than their “Jewish” fellows.

Paul Wellstone became a senator because of this. His republican opponent, Rudy Boschwitz, made a pitch for support at a Jewish community center. Part of his case was that Wellstone, while ethnically Jewish, wasn't religious like Rudy was.

This leaked out and big headlines in the democrat dailies around the state said Boschwitz to Wellstone: "I'm A Better Jew Than You"

Probably cost Rudy the election.

9 posted on 01/11/2011 6:35:42 AM PST by DManA
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To: Carley

“What is Jewish about supporting a president who would deny medical care for a baby born alive following an abortion attempt.”

Why wouldn’t she support Obama on this issue? She has a perfect anti-Life record in Congress.

NARAL = 100%
PP = 100%

None of this necessarily has anything to do with her religion, however.


10 posted on 01/11/2011 6:56:17 AM PST by Comparative Advantage
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To: Carley
What is Jewish about supporting a president who would deny medical care for a baby born alive following an abortion attempt.
She may be Jewish in name, but in her heart and soul, she is without conscience.

Well said.

My only reservation with what you said is that I would not go so far as to say that her pro-abort stance is proof that she has no conscience. It may be she is very conflicted on the issue of abortion, and struggles with her conscience.

Many women have been propagandized by the Left to believe that the "fetus" is not a baby. In their hearts, they know that is a lie. But this lie has been adopted by some Jewish groups, most notably "Reform" Jews and many so-called "Conservative" Jews. Heck, even some "Orthodox" Jews (think Lieberman) are "pro-choice." (And of course many CINOs and Leftist Protestants are pro-aborts also.)

Sometimes it takes years before a woman is willing to fully admit the truth to herself.

Let's pray for Congresswoman Gifford's recovery. Let's also pray that she comes to appreciate the value of each baby's life.

11 posted on 01/11/2011 6:57:52 AM PST by shhrubbery!
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To: SJackson
Her religion doesn't appear to have been a factor at all, nor do I think it's appropriate to cite this tragedy to change Israel's laws.

I agree. Using any tragedy to change established law is usually a bad idea--especially when the change in question would pretty much guarantee that the world's only Jewish state would cease to be Jewish in a generation or two.

Shalom.

12 posted on 01/11/2011 7:07:47 AM PST by Buggman (returnofbenjamin.wordpress.com - Baruch haBa b'Shem ADONAI!)
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To: montag813

I don’t care how she treats the “stranger” in her own house. But the country belongs to more than just her and her values.

Where is her Jewish sense of “Thou shalt not steal”?


13 posted on 01/11/2011 7:24:51 AM PST by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

I wondered that you might find this interesting.

Best....


14 posted on 01/11/2011 7:47:06 AM PST by onedoug
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To: onedoug
SPEAKING HALACHICLY, of course, Giffords is not even considered a Jew.

There you go.

15 posted on 01/11/2011 7:57:16 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator ('Ashirah leHaShem ki-ga'oh ga'ah, sus verokhevo ramah vayam!)
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To: shhrubbery!

I pray constantly for all the innocent victims of this murderer.

That these innocent lives are being exploited for political gain is pathetic and immoral.


16 posted on 01/11/2011 8:05:25 AM PST by Carley (PRINTING OPINION, IGNORING THE FACTS......the msm!!!)
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To: chesley

Where is her Jewish sense of “Thou shalt not steal”?

You asked, I’ll answer.

The short answer is: She is a reformed Jew. A.K.A. “Deformed Jew” in less than Liberal Jewish circles.

The Commandment, in the original language is unambiguous - “Don’t Steal”.

The reformed version is “Don’t Steal, but government can take from them and give to you.”

One thing Newtie said that was accurate is “We are engaged in a battle for the soul of the Republic”.

Pray for the Republic, for if it fails, what will come after will be unspeakably worse.

PS “Unspeakable” squats in the White Hut as I type.


17 posted on 01/11/2011 9:18:07 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: SJackson

“Another possible reason might be that more and more people like Giffords have made a conscious choice to identify as Jews, yet have no intention of undergoing a conversion.”

“I’m this, I’m that, I’m this, I’m that....MY EGO TRUMPS YOUR TRADITION!!!

Next up, ham and cheese sandwiches on the bima! And who dares tell us what ksoher really means!”


18 posted on 01/11/2011 10:43:29 AM PST by Yehuda (Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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To: Yehuda

...”kosher...”

/sigh...


19 posted on 01/11/2011 10:54:53 AM PST by Yehuda (Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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To: SJackson; Alouette; juliej; ml/nj; ExTexasRedhead; LucyT; oswegodeee; ariamne; holdonnow; ...
Leave it to the Jewish Left to seize the recent tragedy as an opportunity to trumpet their inane and/or irrelevant ideas. Some choice morsels from the posted piece:

It was her "sense of the Jewish value about how we treat the stranger" that that informed Giffords on the highly divisive issue of rights for undocumented aliens.

Really? Fist of all, this is not "the (individual) stranger" we are talking about in this context, rather it is a massive influx demanding "group rights." Beside the fact that nothing in our American Constitution and laws allows trespassing on our land, nothing in Judaism compels a Jew to to allow unrestricted entrance on his land nor to respect foreigners who enter his land illegally. This holds even more so when the illegal entrants commonly suck large amounts of money out of the taxpaying citizenry of the host, commonly commit crimes against the endogenous population, generally have no interest in assimilation to the host culture, and sometimes even advocate taking the very land they are invading.

Giffords's very Jewishness might have been a motive in the shooting. Jared Loughner is believed to have had links to ... an ...anti-Semitic organization.

Oh my, how the Left wishes that the gunman were a known anti-Semite and that the motivation for the shooting was so crystal clear. But those are not the facts. The evidence up to this point indicates that Loughner is a paranoid schizophrenic and was indiscriminate in his choice of victims. The M. O. was obviously not consistent with the typical American "hate crime."

...[Giffords'] grandfather, Akiba Hornstein, changed his name to Giffords after moving from New York to Arizona "in part because he did not want his Jewishness to be an issue in unfamiliar territory." Perhaps the grandfather's visceral survival instinct was right on target. The shooting definitely raises concerns about renewed anti-Semitism.

What nonsense! The grandfather was probably embarrassed about his Jewish origins, certainly not proud. Contrast Giffords' grandfather to another famous Jewish Arizona grandfather: Morris Goldwater, grandfather of Barry. He arrived in Arizona before statehood, and not only retained his original surname, but displayed it as the name of his retail outlets (Goldwater's), becoming very successful in the process.

Giffords:"In my family, if you want to get something done, you take it to the Jewish woman relatives."

Is this a quote that deserves praise? Sounds as if the male relatives - Jewish and non-Jewish - are a bunch of eunuchs. Sexism, anyone?

...more and more people like Giffords have made a conscious choice to identify as Jews, yet have no intention of undergoing a conversion.

What's up with that? Seems as if you are not born a Jew and wish to identify as a Jew and are serious about it, taking the time and effort to undergo a conversion (in whichever denomination of Judaism) would be perfectly appropriate. It certainly wouldn't harm the individual. Contrary to the author of this piece, becoming Jewish is not the same as playing leftist political games.

20 posted on 01/11/2011 4:33:46 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

I really doubt that religion had anything to do with it. There are rumors that the shooter’s mother is Jewish.


21 posted on 01/11/2011 4:47:41 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (Illegal aliens commit crimes that Americans won't commit)
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To: justiceseeker93

A lot of Jews changed their “Jewish sounding” names to not stand out. Many Jews were/are fearful of insults, attacks, and discrimination so it is an attempt to ‘blend in’. Not uncommon at all.

As far as ‘identifying as Jews’, there are a lot of things going on here. First, the intermarriage of the father to a non-Jew, and second the desire to remain connected to one’s Jewish heritage. Also, not uncommon in the diaspora. The reform movement and the conservative movement make their business to teach intermarried couples that the children of non-Jewish women are Jewish, merely because they desire it to be so. If it was an issue, it would invalidate their conversions. Hocus pocus, your kid is a Jew. It is also very common in America.

In essence, Giffords represents many Jews in this country who are very much lost to their Jewish identity and yet still wish to be called a Jew. Demand to be called a Jew. I have been in long and frustrating discussions on FR about this. Non-traditional Jews have much invested in this point of view. It is a no-win argument. Every time.


22 posted on 01/11/2011 5:12:00 PM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: justiceseeker93

I believe in treating strangers who come to the door and ask leave to enter with the utmost hospitality and kindness. And treating anyone who tries to sneak in the window with a dose of lead pills. These are not only Jewish values, but simple common sense.

It sickens me that leftists with some sort of Jewish ancestry keep on dragging it through the mud and muck of their political agenda. “Treating strangers hospitably” does not mean letting them vote for the home-bound and the dead, using questionable ID and a Democratic machine chartered bus.


23 posted on 01/11/2011 5:30:37 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: justiceseeker93
Jared Loughner is believed to have had links to ... an ...anti-Semitic organization.

He's a member of the DNC?

24 posted on 01/11/2011 5:31:37 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Excuse my ignorance but what is a JINO?


25 posted on 01/11/2011 7:16:29 PM PST by Sharondownunderinnz
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To: NYC GOP Chick
He's a member of the DNC?

LOL!!!

26 posted on 01/11/2011 7:21:05 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: Sharondownunderinnz

JINO= Jew in name only


27 posted on 01/11/2011 7:27:19 PM PST by superfries
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To: Eleutheria5; All
"Treating strangers hospitably" does not mean letting them vote for the home-bound and the dead, using questionable ID and a Democratic machine chartered bus.

Again, you hit the nail on the head. If that's the case, then it's obvious that it does not mean letting them run for public office as well - if you get my drift.

28 posted on 01/11/2011 7:39:41 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

“it’s obvious that it does not mean letting them run for public office as well - if you get my drift.”

Well, there are some jobs Americans simply will not do, such as being President and running the country into the ground. So they got an illegal alien to do it instead.


29 posted on 01/12/2011 5:02:35 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: justiceseeker93
What's up with that? Seems as if you are not born a Jew and wish to identify as a Jew and are serious about it, taking the time and effort to undergo a conversion (in whichever denomination of Judaism) would be perfectly appropriate

Essentially that's what she did. The article doesn't state the patrilineal descent issue correctly, Reform recognizes it only when the individual has accepted and practices Judaism, participating in the Congregation and the Jewish community. They consider this the equivalent of a shorter time frame, more formal conversion, which she may well have had. The obvious difference between a Reform and Orthodox conversion is clearly a very different issue, but to her denomination, she's Jewish.

Wish I had a better link,

but Barry had to be aware of the problems inherent in his fathers faith, when the KKK was picketing his dad's store. That's the Prescott store in 1928, when Barry was 19.

30 posted on 01/12/2011 5:28:10 AM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: Yehuda

As I noted in 30, presuming she didn’t have a formal conversion, Reform would consider this a defacto conversion based on her father. Neither of which would be recognized by Orthodox or Israeli authorities, which is the real issue. Probably won’t be good for Israel, but at some point it’s going to have to be realized that there are divisions amongst the various Jewish “denominations” every bit a serious as amongst Christians.


31 posted on 01/12/2011 5:32:53 AM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: Nachum

My Great Grandfather and Grandfather who both had very jewish sounding first names but not last names purchased a business in 1916 that was named after an Anglo family name. That business today still has the name some 95 years later and they didn’t change it in 1916 as they didn’t want it to sound too Jewish. The threat of anti-semitism has always been there so it was never changed. Today that is not the case but the mindset in the 1916 to 1980 time frame was such that it was best not to make any waves. Today we keep the name as its a very established company that is over 102 years old.

If I had a name like Akiba Hornstein and lived in the wild west then I would probably changed my name to fit in and run a business.


32 posted on 01/12/2011 6:57:06 AM PST by ncfool (The new USSA - United Socialst States of AmeriKa. Welcome to Obummers world or Obamaville USSA.)
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To: SJackson

We are commanded to take care of the poor. What falls to the ground during the harvest is to be left there for the poor, and the poor are to be permitted to come in at night and eat their fill, but not to carry any away with them.

When strangers, such as the Midianites, came in and ravaged the land and stole the products of the Israelites, G-d chose someone, such as Gideon, to drive them out. Some, such as the Amalekites, were so evil that Israel was commanded to kill them all.

There is nothing preventing individual Americans from sending aid to poor people in Mexico, but there is nothing that commands us to sit idly by while Mexicans come in and ravage the land.


33 posted on 01/12/2011 7:00:05 AM PST by Daveinyork
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To: SJackson; All
Wow, I knew that the KKK was very active in the 1920s in several parts of the country, but didn't realize that they were visible in Arizona, nor that they were demonstrating in front of Jewish-owned stores. (Fortunately, the KKK essentially folded there and Goldwater's went on to become a sizable chain of stores in the West.)

I read Barry Goldwater's autobiography and, to the best of my recollection, he made no mention of this incident.

From where did you get that photo?

34 posted on 01/12/2011 7:27:10 AM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: ncfool
If I had a name like Akiba Hornstein and lived in the wild west then I would probably changed [sic] my name to fit in and run a business.

Fine, I can understand that. But wouldn't the logical thing be to change "Hornstein" to "Horn," not to "Giffords"?

BTW, the "wild west" in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries was arguably the most tolerant section of the country with regard to Jews in general, part of the pioneer mentality. There were Jewish-owned businesses that displayed their family names without problems. Even to this day, there are maybe two hundred mostly small towns named after Jewish settlers.

I pointed out the success of Goldwater's retail stores (to cite just one example) in my previous posts.

35 posted on 01/12/2011 7:49:48 AM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: Yehuda

“Next up, ham and cheese sandwiches on the bima! And who dares tell us what ksoher really means!””

Closer to truth than you think. I watched a history of America recently and the alleged rabbi who started reform had a big meeting of Jewish leaders at some fancy location -— 8 course meal -— turtle soup, lobster, ham and cheese, etc, effectively making a stance that Judaism in the USA would conform.

Made me ill.


36 posted on 01/12/2011 9:28:09 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag Fire.)
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To: SJackson

a/ that photo / anecdote about the Goldwater store is wild. Need to read more on that.

b/ Agreed about the divisions, already there.

c/ Interesting that Giffords even as a Dem is at least 51% more politically conservative than most Reform that I have read of / known.


37 posted on 01/12/2011 11:25:11 AM PST by Yehuda (Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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To: montag813

I’m with you - these people have no idea of what Judaism is about!


38 posted on 01/12/2011 1:09:58 PM PST by juliej
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To: ncfool

Wyatt Earp’s last wife, Josephine Marcus, was Jewish - didn’t stop her from being with a great man.


39 posted on 01/12/2011 1:13:44 PM PST by juliej
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To: justiceseeker93
From where did you get that photo?

University of Arizona archives. Somewhere I have a better link where the store name is more visible. I've never heard him mention the incident either, but it wouldn't have been all that unusual at the time.

40 posted on 01/16/2011 6:45:36 AM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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