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Poll: Most Americans Feel Rhetoric, Tucson Shooting Unrelated
CBS ^ | 1//11/11 | Daniel Carty

Posted on 01/11/2011 7:20:40 AM PST by redk

Nearly six in 10 Americans say the country's heated political rhetoric is not to blame for the Tucson shooting rampage that left six dead and critically wounded U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, according to a CBS News poll. In the wake of the shooting, much focus has been put on the harsh tone of politics in Washington and around the country, particularly after a contentious midterm election. Rhetoric and imagery from both Republicans and Democrats have included gun-related metaphors, but the majority of the country isn't connecting the shooting to politics.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: 2010polls; alreadyposted; fail; giffords; miserablefailure; msm; poll
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"Overall, 57 percent of respondents said the harsh political tone had nothing to do with the shooting, compared to 32 percent who felt it did. Republicans were more likely to feel the two were unrelated - 69 percent said rhetoric was not to blame; 19 percent said it played a part. Democrats were more split on the issue - 49 percent saw no connection; 42 percent said there was."
1 posted on 01/11/2011 7:20:47 AM PST by redk
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To: redk
Earlier.
2 posted on 01/11/2011 7:23:48 AM PST by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: redk

Talk Radio and Fox have slowly been smartening up the chumps.


3 posted on 01/11/2011 7:25:27 AM PST by screaminsunshine (Surfers Rule)
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To: redk

Told you so.

People do not like the blame game especially when it blankets the airwaves, web, and print media seconds after it happens.

It is seen, and rightly so, as political posturing and hyena-like opportunism.

As the left continues to flog this with some of their members attempting to back off, they will lose even more.

The entire emphasis and coverage should have been on the victims themselves, the witnesses and the mourning of a nation.

It’s too late to do so and Obama’s “healing” attempt is going to simply be another speech, nice, tidy, somewhat particular, but late in the day and if he doesn’t address the screeching of the LEFT whereas the right didn’t assign blame to any degree, he loses too.


4 posted on 01/11/2011 7:27:43 AM PST by OpusatFR
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To: OpusatFR

First of all it’s sick that these people want to make this his Oklahoma City, second he isn’t Bill Clinton and will never have the ability to connect with stupid people that Clinton had.

Even Saturday afternoon his speech seemed disconnected and I never felt like he really cared.


5 posted on 01/11/2011 7:30:29 AM PST by redk
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To: redk

I dunno, if they say if left wing vitriol is responsible for this violence, i may answer yes. The killer is a Statist, who was unhappy that a DEM was not left wing enough


6 posted on 01/11/2011 7:31:10 AM PST by 4rcane
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To: 4rcane

The DEM was shot dead straight after dailykos “she was dead to him” for voting against nancy pelosi


7 posted on 01/11/2011 7:33:15 AM PST by 4rcane
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To: 4rcane

theres a more direct connection there, than Palin’s target of district of political defeat at the ballot box


8 posted on 01/11/2011 7:34:28 AM PST by 4rcane
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To: redk

And the other 40% are the morons who believe what they read in the NY Times.


9 posted on 01/11/2011 7:37:05 AM PST by pissant ((Bachmann 2012 - Freepmail to get on/off PING list))
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To: redk

Where is the poll asking if the anti-war protests were political motivated since they all stopped after Obama getting elected?


10 posted on 01/11/2011 7:37:41 AM PST by dila813
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To: 4rcane

True. I never heard anybody on the right ever even mention her but the KOS kiddies and the far left seem to have hated her until this happened.


11 posted on 01/11/2011 7:38:26 AM PST by redk
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To: redk

Yes. The people are more sensible than the pundits. This “debate” is nothing more than the left seeing an opportunity to promote its agenda.


12 posted on 01/11/2011 7:38:47 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Liberalism is against human nature. Practicing liberalism is detrimental to your mental stability.)
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To: redk
Then 43% are too stupid to live here.

They need to be exported to Venezuela, Mexico, or Iran.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

13 posted on 01/11/2011 7:47:49 AM PST by The Comedian (Puzzling puzzle pieces precisely proliferating panoramically.)
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To: redk

She was also married to a space shuttle commander who’s getting ready to fly, and this nutjob believes the space shuttle is a hoax and a gigantic conspiracy. It’s clear that conservative rhetoric had absolutely nothing to do with this, but his space conspiracy beliefs might have. Although he was clearly in favor of socialism whatever its form, which by itself indicates the political extreme he aligned himself with, this attack may have been less politically motivated than some currently believe. I have little doubt he would have done the exact same thing to her astronaut husband and anyone around him had it been him giving a public talk that day instead of her.


14 posted on 01/11/2011 7:49:47 AM PST by messierhunter
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To: The Comedian

That was my thought too. I’m shocked that the number is that high, it’s quite sad really and a testament to how much influence the MSM still has.


15 posted on 01/11/2011 7:50:49 AM PST by messierhunter
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To: messierhunter

>That was my thought too. I’m shocked that the number is that high,<

Considering this is C-BS, I have a feeling the number is lower. Factoring in the number of people who voted the Rats out of office 2 months ago and the recent poll that there are lesser Dems today in the past 22 years, c BS might be covering their losses..


16 posted on 01/11/2011 7:56:29 AM PST by max americana
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To: redk

Obviously the MSM must try harder. We the Unwashed are not retaining their message.


17 posted on 01/11/2011 8:02:32 AM PST by BAW (Obama: "If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun.")
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To: messierhunter
I’m shocked that the number is that high, it’s quite sad really and a testament to how much influence the MSM still has.

I'd like to see a Rasmussen finding on this issue. Since this is a CBS poll, I have trouble believing its veracity.

18 posted on 01/11/2011 8:04:54 AM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: redk

I am sick of all of the blaming of everyone else in this country as of late. A while back violence was being blamed on kids playing violent video games, before that it was violent TV shows and movies. This is just another example of the blame game.

Violence toward others except in self defense is not acceptable. Perpetrators of the violence are responsible for their own actions.

That said, it is becoming clear that in this particular case people around this individual were aware of his violent tendencies, as he had made previous threats that were not prosecuted. Perhaps if those threats had been taken more seriously, this individual might not have been out on the streets or have had access to a firearm, and the deaths might not have occurred. As is often the case we all tend to have 20/20 hindsight.


19 posted on 01/11/2011 8:21:19 AM PST by Flamenco Lady
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To: Flamenco Lady
Perhaps if those threats had been taken more seriously, this individual might not have been out on the streets or have had access to a firearm

He had recently passed a background check to possess a gun. I'm so glad that we have gun laws to protect us.

(NOT!)

I'd rather trust God to protect me. (And He has accordingly let me have several guns!!)

20 posted on 01/11/2011 8:31:24 AM PST by thulldud (Is it "alter or abolish" time yet?)
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To: redk

Sheriff Combover will not be amused.


21 posted on 01/11/2011 8:35:10 AM PST by Gator113 (I'm voting for Sarah Palin, Liberty, our Constitution and American Exceptionalism.)
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To: redk

Oh darn!


22 posted on 01/11/2011 8:40:22 AM PST by popdonnelly (Your political opponents want you to shut up.)
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To: redk

I guess the attempts by the Left to blame Palin and the Tea Party were just a shot in the dark, metaphorically speaking.


23 posted on 01/11/2011 8:41:39 AM PST by popdonnelly (Your political opponents want you to shut up.)
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To: thulldud

I was aware that he recently passed a background check to possess a gun, My thought was simply that if he had been prosecuted for his earlier threats or evaluated and found mentally unfit previously, he might not have been on the streets in the first place and the prosecutions and/or mental instability would have prevented him from passing the background check.

Like you, I also beleive in God’s protection and the God given right of self defense.


24 posted on 01/11/2011 8:47:16 AM PST by Flamenco Lady
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To: redk

Probably get the same result if you asked: “Is Rush Limbaugh responsible for keeping Prince Albert in a can?”


25 posted on 01/11/2011 8:53:54 AM PST by IamConservative (Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day. - Truman)
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To: redk

“Even Saturday afternoon his speech seemed disconnected and I never felt like he really cared.”

Hope his Wednesday performance remains perfunctory and doesn’t degenerate into a Wellstone moment. On second thought ...


26 posted on 01/11/2011 8:55:33 AM PST by Let's Roll (Save the world's best healthcare - DEFUND Obamacare!)
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To: redk
Even a loaded CBS poll of 673 "adults" shows the dims on shaky ground.

I'd like to see a Ras poll of likely voters since likely voters are the only people who count.

27 posted on 01/11/2011 9:23:56 AM PST by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: Mariner

Related article

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-drennen/2011/01/11/cbs-admits-tucson-shooting-not-partisan-reveals-poll-most-americans-ag


28 posted on 01/11/2011 9:26:13 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama:If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun (the REAL Arizona instigator))
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To: redk

LOL to the MSM.You are hurting the last shred of credu=ibitly you may have had with the vast majoirty of people in this country.Sam note to the democrats but keep it up so you make sure to offend the senses of the majority!


29 posted on 01/11/2011 9:30:20 AM PST by chris_bdba
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To: Gator113

LOL!


30 posted on 01/11/2011 9:31:23 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama:If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun (the REAL Arizona instigator))
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To: redk

42% of Democrats think Palin pulled the trigger.

The MSM could have blood on their hands.


31 posted on 01/11/2011 9:33:07 AM PST by GeronL (How DARE you have an opinion!!)
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To: chris_bdba

credu=ibitly credibility...(no idea how I did that?)


32 posted on 01/11/2011 9:34:09 AM PST by chris_bdba
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To: dila813
Where is the poll asking if the anti-war protests were political motivated since they all stopped after Obama getting elected?

Cindy Sheehan tried and got savaged by the media, remember that??

33 posted on 01/11/2011 9:35:49 AM PST by GeronL (How DARE you have an opinion!!)
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To: redk
"...according to a CBS News poll..."

No doubt, a REAL, UNBIASED poll would look even better.

34 posted on 01/11/2011 9:39:54 AM PST by newfreep (Palin/DeMint 2012 - Bolton: Secy of State)
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To: GeronL

Someone should ask Polosi if this was her idea. What happened to them?

Astroturf...


35 posted on 01/11/2011 9:43:08 AM PST by dila813
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To: redk

And this is a CBS poll, so deduct 10 from the liberal side, and add 10 to the conservative side.


36 posted on 01/11/2011 9:44:13 AM PST by Lazamataz (If Illegal Aliens are Undocumented Workers, than Thieves are Undocumented Shoppers.)
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To: redk
Surveyor Symbol vs. Gun Sight

37 posted on 01/11/2011 9:48:35 AM PST by TSgt (Colonel Allen West & Michele Bachman - 2012 POTUS Dream Team Ticket!)
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To: TSgt

Most scopes I have seen do not have external crosshairs.


38 posted on 01/11/2011 10:51:11 AM PST by rahbert
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To: TSgt
Amen.

Map symbols:

Photobucket

Crosshairs:

Photobucket

Big difference.

39 posted on 01/11/2011 11:14:24 AM PST by Bodleian_Girl (What did Sheriff Dupnik know about Loughner & when did he know it? http://bit.ly/eQ5ehk)
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To: Bodleian_Girl

If it looks like a gun site, it is one. Hence all those liberals driving Mercedes Benz’s are using a loaded weapon.


40 posted on 01/11/2011 11:35:12 AM PST by rmlew (You want change? Vote for the most conservative electable in your state or district.)
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To: Bodleian_Girl

Come on how do you get the idea that reason plays a role in coming to conclusions? Don’t you know that it is only used to support a prior conclusion?

I’m waiting for the actual picture of Sarah with the gun in her hand aiming at Gabby. Surely there is one.


41 posted on 01/11/2011 12:19:22 PM PST by arrogantsob
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To: redk

In other words, CBS and the other MSM need to try harder.


42 posted on 01/11/2011 12:52:02 PM PST by Choose Ye This Day ("As government expands, liberty contracts." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Choose Ye This Day

The good news out of this poll is that independents found no cause for the shooting in the political climate. That means the blame game has not hurt us with the Independents.


43 posted on 01/11/2011 1:13:47 PM PST by WVNan
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To: redk

Is there anyway we can let the MSM know that we think they are loons?


44 posted on 01/11/2011 1:45:28 PM PST by Buddygirl
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To: redk

It’s despicable that it’s only 60/40.

Far too many people are loony themselves.


45 posted on 01/11/2011 1:54:23 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: redk

Beck’s opener said a lot about the symbolism crap. Mentioned Target Store symbol, can’t have that, etc. lol I assume the MSM went down a few notches with the general public the last 3-4 days. Otherwise, they’re brain dead. We have to assume that 25-30% will never change, but that’s alright. We can win a lot a elections with 70/30 numbers. .


46 posted on 01/11/2011 2:29:26 PM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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"Poll: Most Americans Feel Rhetoric, Tucson Shooting Unrelated "

There you go. This just shows why the government must regulate what you see and hear.<>

47 posted on 01/11/2011 2:52:02 PM PST by blam
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To: redk

Fact #1. Clarence Dupnik is a Democrat.
Fact #2. John Wayne Gacy was a Democrat homosexual pedophile serial killer.
Fact #3. Jared Loughner is a homosexual dope-smoking mass murderer.

Applying the sheriff’s twisted partisan “logic,” should he update his resume to describe himself as a Democrat dope-smoking homosexual pedophile mass serial killer?

And if so, should he replace Biden on the ticket in 2012?


48 posted on 01/11/2011 3:15:12 PM PST by peyton randolph (There is no such thing as moderate Islam)
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To: redk
A left-wing liberal pot-smoking communist was the shooter. Please don't get him confused with our left-wing liberal pot-smoking communist president. Thank you.
49 posted on 01/11/2011 4:02:32 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Please donate to FreeRepublic, sanity in a world gone mad!)
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To: redk

Thank the Lord that most people are coming to their senses and rejecting this nonsense. While I am very sorry for the families of all of the victims, nutsy cuckoo is nutsy cuckoo. If we as a nation choose to think (and legislate) otherwise, we will need to ban:

Barking dogs: Son of Sam

The movie Ordinary People and the book Catcher in the Rye: Mark David Chapman

The White Album: Charlie Manson

The movie Taxi Driver: John Hinckley, Jr

Seriously, crazy people can find motivation to do harm to others in the the strangest places. I would be far more worried about the Pima county sheriff providing cover to this killer by way of his comments than anything that comes out of Rush’s or Sarah’s mouths.


50 posted on 01/11/2011 5:35:03 PM PST by lovesdogs
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