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Smoking causes gene damage in minutes
AFP ^ | 1/15/11 | AFP

Posted on 01/15/2011 4:28:25 PM PST by Drango

Those first few puffs on a cigarette can within minutes cause genetic damage linked to cancer, US scientists said in a study released Saturday.

In fact, researchers said the "effect is so fast that it's equivalent to injecting the substance directly into the bloodstream," in findings described as a "stark warning" to those who smoke.

The study is the first on humans to track how substances in tobacco cause DNA damage, and appears in the peer-reviewed journal Chemical Research in Toxicology, issued by the American Chemical Society.~snip

"The results reported here should serve as a stark warning to those who are considering starting to smoke cigarettes," Hecht said.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


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To: Drango
"No camp fire for you young man!"
51 posted on 01/15/2011 5:20:01 PM PST by The Duke
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To: Drango
This is leading to a complete ban on smoking. People will look at tobacco smoke as a powerful carcinogen. It will be treated as a toxic contaminant and anything exposed to it will have to be treated with extraordinary measures. It seems to me that countries with the highest levels of smoking do not seem to correlate to the countries with the highest levels of lung cancer.

Countries With the Highest Incidence of Lung Cancer:

Country Incidence per 100,000 individuals

1 Hungary 181.9

2 Belgium 152.4

3 United States 142.6

4 Croatia 137.8

5 United Kingdom 133.8

6 Canada 132.6

7 Denmark 132.5

8 Italy 132.3

9 Poland 127.4

10 Czech Republic 123.3

Source: International Agency for Research on Cancer

52 posted on 01/15/2011 5:20:57 PM PST by jonrick46 (We're being water boarded with the sewage of Fabian Socialism.)
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To: TSgt
Like I said, smoke em' if you got em'! It will help put my son through college!

Money in tobacco company stocks, huh?

I notice you didn't answer my questions, just the statement that, sort of, agreed with your premise.

53 posted on 01/15/2011 5:21:23 PM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget; RandallFlagg

Randall Flagg has been telling everyone about ecigs too.


54 posted on 01/15/2011 5:21:38 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: sand lake bar
But small amounts of smoking is unlikely to lead to any major health problem.

Other than become an addict and being unable to quit.

55 posted on 01/15/2011 5:22:52 PM PST by Drango (NO-vember is payback for April 15th)
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To: TSgt

Did you not post the link?


56 posted on 01/15/2011 5:24:31 PM PST by sand lake bar
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To: DJ MacWoW; RandallFlagg

I’m a complete convert. Love my ecigs.


57 posted on 01/15/2011 5:25:37 PM PST by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Yes, it is. People have their own prejudices and jump at these ridiculous studies. They claim that people use anecdotal evidence incorrectly but believe a study on 12 people which says what they would like to believe?

I grew up around smokers and non-smokers and all but a few of them are dead now, golly gee.


58 posted on 01/15/2011 5:25:37 PM PST by tiki
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To: Drango
Other than become an addict and being unable to quit.

Puleeeze, I smoked for 35 years. Quit 3 years ago and haven't had a smoke of anything since. No cigarettes, no cigars, no pipe, nothing.

It's not addictive, it's a habit. Nothing more.

59 posted on 01/15/2011 5:26:10 PM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Drango

Did you not read the phrase “small amounts of smoking”? Many people do smoke occasionally in small amounts and do not become addicted.


60 posted on 01/15/2011 5:26:43 PM PST by sand lake bar
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To: Just another Joe
It's not addictive, it's a habit. Nothing more.

If you say so...

61 posted on 01/15/2011 5:27:26 PM PST by Drango (NO-vember is payback for April 15th)
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To: tiki

Oh nail in my coffin,
So pale and so thin,
Why do I keep constantly,
Driving you in?

You say that you’ll kill me,
Well what do you bet?
When I finish this last cigarette.

You can quit any habit any day you want to,
and you won’t quit till that day comes.


62 posted on 01/15/2011 5:28:02 PM PST by barb-tex (What else did you expect from the likes of 0? BTW, What ever happened to Rhodesia?, Oh, yes, Zimbabw)
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To: TSgt

We “boomers”, children of the Greatest Generation, lived with parents who smoked like freight trains. They cooked fat laden, delicious meals and we ate them without a thought as to the “damage” they might do. We rode around in cars that belched toxic fumes into their interiors, without seat belts, with our younger siblings sitting on our laps. We drank soft drinks made with real sugar and ate all the Twinkies we could get.
We figured out what to do and not to do with things by ourselves without “dummie warnings” on everything we bought. When we became adults, we mostly followed the same lifestyles.

No one says that smoking is good for anyone. We know it isn’t. Neither is a fast food diet. But choices belong to people, not governments. Everyone has the right to live free of cigarette smoke if it bothers them. By the same token, anyone who wants to smoke, in spite of the known dangers should be able to do so, just like anyone who wants to eat fatty food should be able to without being made to feel inferior.

If you want to outlaw every substance that has a chance of shortening your life, stay away from the pharmacy. Have you listened to any advertisements for prescription drugs lately? If there’s anything I’ve learned in a pretty long life, it’s this: No one gets out of it alive, regardless of what they do or don’t do.

I smoked for many years before I quit. I quit because I realized it made me stink and I could do something much more enjoyable with the money it cost. Quitting also made me feel better, but I didn’t quit to live longer or for fear of DNA damage and neither will anyone else.

Showing that suffering old man’s picture above is the kind of scare propoganda I hate. You would think the poor soul killed himself on purpose. DNA damage my putootie! If that were true, most of the boomers would have two heads and an extra set of eyes.

I think it was the late Milton Berle who said “If you quit smoking, drinking, gambling, playing cards and sex, you won’t live forever.....it’ll just seem like it.”


63 posted on 01/15/2011 5:28:41 PM PST by Aleya2Fairlie
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To: TSgt

Why, when you are hospitalized, are you given a polka-dotted clown outfit to wear, like the one the guy in the photo has on? Has some idiot done research as to the demonstrated therapeutic effect of dressing an adult like a baby girl? Another insult—in the medical profession, as a patient, you are never addressed by anything other than your first-name. No last name. No “Mr.” or “Mrs.”, no “Sir” or “Ma’am”. No respect.


64 posted on 01/15/2011 5:29:13 PM PST by 4Runner
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To: Drango

Bump for later


65 posted on 01/15/2011 5:31:30 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: tiki
Somebody said "Getting up in the morning will kill you". LOL

There are so many people, 2 famous ones, that have died of lung cancer and never smoked, and were fanatical about 2nd hand smoke, that linking all lung cancer with smoking is ridiculous.

66 posted on 01/15/2011 5:31:31 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: Drango
It's not addictive, it's a habit. Nothing more.

If you say so...

Let's put it this way, I had no withdrawal symptoms. I sure did when I went off prescription pain meds.

If you want to talk about addiction please know what you're talking about.

67 posted on 01/15/2011 5:31:47 PM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: TSgt
You will not find common sense on this forum when it comes to smoking.

Not as long as you drop in........

68 posted on 01/15/2011 5:32:52 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (The only thing Super Glue is good for is gluing your fingers together.....)
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To: TSgt; DJ MacWoW

Holy crap dude!!!!
You said this..

“I’ve seen it’s effects for myself and don’t need a plethora of medical studies to know it is bad for you.”

Right after you said..

Instead you’ll get the anomalies thrown at you like, “My grandfather smoked every day of his life and lived to be 100.”

Anomaly much?


69 posted on 01/15/2011 5:34:49 PM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice.)
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To: netmilsmom; TSgt
That's what happens when emotion rather than common sense is the driving influence.

Anecdotal info is still anecdotal no matter who gives it.

70 posted on 01/15/2011 5:38:50 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: TSgt
I simply can’t stand the willful ignorance by many on FR with regard to smoking and second-hand smoke.

Do you use a cell phone? There are studies that say the radiation in cell phones is the cause of a rise in tumor related illnesses. How many willfully ignorant people are using cell phones?

71 posted on 01/15/2011 5:40:51 PM PST by this is my country
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To: DJ MacWoW

Truth be told.


72 posted on 01/15/2011 5:41:55 PM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice.)
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To: Just another Joe
Most Smokers in U.S. Want to Quit

Among the 21% of Americans who say they smoke, 74% say they would like to give up smoking, and 67% say they are addicted to cigarettes.

http://www.gallup.com/video/109033/Most-Smokers-US-Want-Quit.aspx

73 posted on 01/15/2011 5:42:40 PM PST by Drango (NO-vember is payback for April 15th)
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To: Drango

Well Gosh, does this mean that smoking grass is bad 4 U? Since AFP is a Frenchy outfit, I’m sure there’s an exemption for Mary Jane.


74 posted on 01/15/2011 5:42:57 PM PST by Rembrandt (.. AND the donkey you rode in on.)
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To: Drango

By this statement, you have scrapped any credibility you might have had.

And of course, scienists are never wrong. Ask Al Gore.


75 posted on 01/15/2011 5:44:45 PM PST by Aleya2Fairlie
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To: Drango
Millions of conservatives have including myself, have marched into voting booths

That's another one of your lies Drango......Most of the anti-smoking laws across this country were passed by legislators without consent of the citizens, including my state of Michigan.

The few laws that were passed via local voting laws were based on a majority of the voters who voted. The sad fact about that statistic is that only approximately 47 percent of the registered voters in those communities voted and most of the decisions in favor of the bans accumulated only about 54 percent of the vote.

Why is this significant? Because the bans that were passed by the voters only represented approx. 27 percent of the citizens in those respective communities.

In other words, 73 percent of the individuals in those communities had no problem with smokers but the minority were able to get their way simply because they voted. That's what's called "Tyranny by the minority".........

76 posted on 01/15/2011 5:45:17 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (The only thing Super Glue is good for is gluing your fingers together.....)
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To: Drango
Among the 21% of Americans who say they smoke, 74% say they would like to give up smoking, and 67% say they are addicted to cigarettes.

I can SAY I'm a millionaire. It doesn't mean it's true.

77 posted on 01/15/2011 5:46:57 PM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: netmilsmom

And after contradicting himself that way he’s making fun of the intelligence of smokers. LOL Priceless!


78 posted on 01/15/2011 5:54:44 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: Drango

I’d like to see this compared with other hazards that are “naturally” occurring — such as being out in the sunshine or eating celery with its psoralens. The human body ordinarily has a great capacity for shrugging off minor cellular damage — the damaged cells simply die the vast majority of the time. The odds can be pushed through habitual damage, of course.

By the way who said any smoking Freeper (and I have never smoked in my life) wants to encourage the chillrun to follow in that habit? Especially before they are adults and know well enough to make responsible choices?


79 posted on 01/15/2011 5:57:13 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Drango

Doctor’s opinions of yesteryear. Recognize any of the people in these ads?

http://wellmedicated.com/lists/40-gorgeous-vintage-tobacco-advertisements/


80 posted on 01/15/2011 5:58:07 PM PST by Aleya2Fairlie
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To: Aleya2Fairlie
By the same token, anyone who wants to smoke, in spite of the known dangers should be able to do so, just like anyone who wants to eat fatty food should be able to without being made to feel inferior.

I agree, but until the government quits forcing me to pay for your right to indulge, restrictions are necessary. Get rid of the welfare state, then we'll talk. < /vile nanny statist>

I think it was the late Milton Berle who said "If you quit smoking, drinking, gambling, playing cards and sex, you won't live forever.....it'll just seem like it."

You sure that wasn't Bill Bennett?

81 posted on 01/15/2011 5:59:20 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Drango
Among the 21% of Americans who say they smoke, 74% say they would like to give up smoking, and 67% say they are addicted to cigarettes.

People use the word "addicted" for just about everything, from shopping, to television, to peanut butter. A study where people describe themselves as "addicted"? Completely worthless, yet it is telling that you thought it important enough to post ...
82 posted on 01/15/2011 5:59:34 PM PST by jjsheridan5
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To: Aleya2Fairlie

Notice the name of the website? Kind of ironic, huh?


83 posted on 01/15/2011 6:00:45 PM PST by Aleya2Fairlie
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To: Ken H

It may well have been Bill Bennet. And I agree wholeheartedly about the welfare state.

In the last years I smoked, I paid for them out of earned wages and paid more than non-smokers for my health insurance.


84 posted on 01/15/2011 6:04:23 PM PST by Aleya2Fairlie
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To: Hot Tabasco

It’s even worse now in some areas. The Health Departments
have been given the right to ban smoking anywhere they want. They make a show of getting public input before they do it but it’ just a sham.


85 posted on 01/15/2011 6:09:10 PM PST by Aleya2Fairlie
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To: TSgt
**But hey, smoke em’ if you got em’**

I thank you so much for your permission..s/

Even the might UN (gag) study said there was no correlation between illness and second hand smoke....the anti-smoking nazi's deep sixed that one real quick....

86 posted on 01/15/2011 6:17:57 PM PST by goat granny
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“I’d like to see this compared with other hazards that are “naturally” occurring — such as being out in the sunshine or eating celery with its psoralens.”

OMG!!! Celery???? I’m dooooooooomed!


87 posted on 01/15/2011 6:20:58 PM PST by Aleya2Fairlie
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To: DJ MacWoW

If smoking causes Gene damage, Gene should walk out of the room...he’s stupid for staying..:O)


88 posted on 01/15/2011 6:21:26 PM PST by goat granny
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To: goat granny
And isn't it a shame that you even have to point out the obvious? *shaking head and trying not to laugh*

Did you see the VERY appropriate Freepathon graphic in post 42? LOL

89 posted on 01/15/2011 6:25:11 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: tiki

Think of the study that sun causes skin cancer so everyone started using sun screen - now they are finding that many people have vitamin D deficiencies due to lack of sunlight on their skin - so people started taking large doses of vitamin D which turns out to be toxic.

I will believe all scientific studies when they can definitively decide if oatmeal reduces cholesterol.

Every month - another study - different outcomes...

Yep, smoking is bad - bacon is bad - sugar is bad - not flossing is bad.............


90 posted on 01/15/2011 6:26:16 PM PST by 30Moves
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To: 30Moves; tiki

Apparently chicken little has a large extended family. ;-)


91 posted on 01/15/2011 6:33:37 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: tiki

People that make those stupid statements have never been in an old log house that used a fireplace for heat. Our ancestors lived in smoke filled caves.. just damn, the like of common sense.


92 posted on 01/15/2011 7:35:31 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: Aleya2Fairlie

Saw Ronald Reagan and John Wayne. Those were some old ads, amazing how much things have changed. Beck had a segment about Edward Bernays methods to entice women to smoke. (among other marketing methods by Bernays). It was on either this past Thur or Fri.


93 posted on 01/15/2011 7:35:38 PM PST by HollyB
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To: jonrick46
Well, at least this thread has one interesting post.

Someone else has put together a similar chart:

http://www.kidon.com/smoke/percentages3.htm

I believe that smoking causes lung cancer, but assuming that your/his data is good, I wonder how epidemiologists and oncologists explain the apparent discrepancies between the prevalence of smoking and the incidence of lung cancer deaths.

Smoking has been studied to hell and back, so this subject must have been investigated.

94 posted on 01/15/2011 7:58:57 PM PST by TChad
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To: TChad
From all the studys that I have perused, and that's a good number, approximately 30% of smokers contract ANY health issues from smoking.
Of that 30%, 30% of them contract a life threatening illness.
Of them, 30% actually die from that illness.

So, approximately 3% of smokers die from an illness directly related to smoking.
That doesn't mean that all those smokers who died were in the prime of their lives. Many were probably in their final years. But anti-smokers would have you believe that every smoker that dies from a smoking related illness had, at least, 20 years of productive life ahead of them when they died.

95 posted on 01/15/2011 8:22:20 PM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Drango
[ Smoking causes gene damage in minutes ]

Bull Squirt.

96 posted on 01/15/2011 8:31:34 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: org.whodat

My SIL and her husband are old hippies and they think smoking cigarettes is the most horrible thing but they have heated with wood forever. She smoked grass for years and her husband still smokes it and did various drugs for years but cigarettes with kill ya, you know. Oh yeah, and they are vegetarian health food eaters.


97 posted on 01/15/2011 8:44:16 PM PST by tiki
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To: tiki
She smoked grass for years and her husband still smokes it and did various drugs for years but cigarettes with kill ya, you know.

Another lefty meme is that smoking tobacco is not bad for you, what kills you is the additives that the evil Republican-supporting tobacco companies put into cigarettes. So, if you smoke just healthy organic tobacco with no additives, you are safe.

The last leftist to tell me that recently died of small cell carcinoma of the lung. She had practiced what she preached. She was in her early fifties.

98 posted on 01/15/2011 9:37:34 PM PST by TChad
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To: TChad

is the additives > are the additives


99 posted on 01/15/2011 9:43:08 PM PST by TChad
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To: Drango

No, telling your fellow citizens how to live is a liberal trait. Why don’t you get an issue put on the ballot to ban alcohol and overeating, to force people to exercise and wear sunscreen? Maybe overweight, out of shape people with sunburns should be jailed? Did you get to vote on the seatbelt law also? We did not. They did not allow the people to vote on smoking restrictions where I live either. I doubt it would have passed here.


100 posted on 01/16/2011 12:36:13 AM PST by jospehm20
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