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Rick Warren hosts 'cult' celebrity docs Features promoters of Eastern mysticism, universalism
WND ^ | 1/15/2011 | WorldNetDaily

Posted on 01/16/2011 1:27:36 PM PST by surroundedbyblue

When megachurch pastor Rick Warren decided he needed to take his health seriously, he responded in typically ambitious fashion, launching a year-long health program for his church, "The Daniel Plan," written with the help of three celebrity doctors who will appear at a kickoff seminar today.

But critics point out the physicians who crafted the program apparently don't share the church's professed evangelical beliefs, espousing instead various forms of Eastern mysticism and the tenets of a Christian cult, Swedenborgism.

Vowing to lose 90 pounds, Warren said he placed himself under the care of Drs. Mehmet Oz, Daniel Amen and Mark Hyman last fall and worked with each to develop "The Daniel Plan."

Oz, host of the Emmy-winning "Dr. Oz Show" and professor of surgery at Columbia University, says he is inspired by Emanuel Swedenborg, an 18th century cult founder who taught that all religions lead to God and denied orthodox Christian beliefs such at the atonement of Christ for sin, the trinity and the deity of the Holy Spirit.

Best-selling author Amen, a professor of psychiatry at the University of California at Irvine, teaches Eastern religious meditation and the New Age energy-based practice of Reiki.

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So this "pastor" leads his flock astray by promoting Obama, now he promotes these doctors (who subscribe to evil beliefs, I might add) into his "church". Does anyone take this crook seriously anymore? Sheesh!
1 posted on 01/16/2011 1:27:38 PM PST by surroundedbyblue
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To: surroundedbyblue

Are you saying Christians should only see doctors who share their faith? They shouldn’t have a Jewish doctor either?


2 posted on 01/16/2011 1:32:23 PM PST by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you hids bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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To: Hugin

I would hardly equate Judaism with Reiki. I’m saying this guy who is a “pastor” is encouraging his congregation to seek out the advice of these drs who very well may lead them astray. Don’t you get that?


3 posted on 01/16/2011 1:35:56 PM PST by surroundedbyblue
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To: Hugin

The point is, this guy has claimed to be a Christian. Clearly, he’s as untrustworthy as they come.


4 posted on 01/16/2011 1:36:46 PM PST by reasonisfaith (Rules will never work for radicals (liberals) because they seek chaos. And don't even know it.)
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To: Hugin
I'm a Christian and I have a Jewish doctor.

Maybe I don't have all the information, but this kinda odd to me.

What to expect, though, this is California we're talking about here.

5 posted on 01/16/2011 1:36:56 PM PST by OKSooner (Obama confessed "his muslim faith" on the George Stephanopolous show on September 7th, 2008.)
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To: surroundedbyblue

Were they actually teaching mysticism or were they doctors who happen to be believers in other faiths? There is a big difference. If they aren’t actually teaching their religion but simply using medical knowledge, I’m fine with it. Some things we used to consider mystic medical practice, like acupuncture, are now known to be legitimate medical practices for some things.


6 posted on 01/16/2011 1:37:07 PM PST by mnehring
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To: surroundedbyblue
I think this pantload has reached his sell-by date.
7 posted on 01/16/2011 1:37:53 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: surroundedbyblue

Rick Warren is 0ne of those preaching about bring people together to 0ne Sabbath, 0ne world with 0bama and 0prah.


8 posted on 01/16/2011 1:39:41 PM PST by runninglips (Don't support the Republican party, work to "fundamentally change" it...conservative would be nice)
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To: Hugin

“Christians should only see doctors who share their faith?”

Rick Warren is pushing to his congregation people who are espousing in their own life and asking Christians to practice Eastern type mysticism. Rick Warren is passing this as Christianity while it really is hokus-pokus voodoo style indoctrination.

So it would be like going to a Jewish doctor and being told to keep your house kosher and read the Talmud as the remedy for being over weight.


9 posted on 01/16/2011 1:41:55 PM PST by BeAllYouCanBe (Until Americans love their own children more than they love Nancy Pelosi this suicide will continue.)
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To: All

I’d hardly expect my pastor to encourage me to take the advice of a psychiatrist who believes in healing through meditation & Reiki. Evil evil evil! Talk about opening one up for the influences of Satan!

Those who equate this with a Jew seeing a Christian dr or vice versa are missing the point. This relativistic way of thinking is why we have the problems we do today. Rick Warren is a salesman and a joke.


10 posted on 01/16/2011 1:42:37 PM PST by surroundedbyblue
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To: Hugin
But Jewish people do share our faith whereas the Buddha, Shinto, Wicca etc. etc. do not.
11 posted on 01/16/2011 1:42:44 PM PST by fish hawk (reporter to old Indian: you lived here on the reservation all your life? Old Indian, "not yet".)
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To: Hugin
It's one thing to go see a doctor who has a different faith (or has no faith at all) but it's another thing to be promoting a different faith. That said, this is Rick Warren we're talking about so I'm sure reiki, eastern mysticism and anything else the cat drags in falls into his belief system. I wonder if Warren's flock actually read the Bible?
12 posted on 01/16/2011 1:42:52 PM PST by Hayride
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To: Hayride

Anyone know much about Rick Warren? The small groups I was involved with was doing the series, healing choices and had video segments and Rick Warren was the speaker, he struck me as a snake oil salesman, and I wasn’t comfortable with him.


13 posted on 01/16/2011 1:46:35 PM PST by Bulwyf
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To: runninglips

Have you ever attended his church and heard an actual sermon or just second hand online? I don’t attend his church, I attend another mega church nearby, but I attend Bible studies with other women that attend Saddleback, and my daughter attends a homeschool activity with several women who are pastor’s wives from there. Everyone I talk to from there is pretty straight and narrow as far as the Word.

I wouldn’t go to Dr. Amen for spiritual guidance, but I would for some medical guidance.


14 posted on 01/16/2011 1:46:45 PM PST by porter_knorr (John Adams would be arrested for his thoughts on tyrants today!)
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To: surroundedbyblue

Maybe he wouldn’t be a “mega”church pastor if folks didn’t give him mega-publicity.


15 posted on 01/16/2011 1:47:49 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: FReepers
The Wolves Are At The Door!

Stop Them With The Truth

Donate To Free Republic

16 posted on 01/16/2011 1:55:28 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: surroundedbyblue
I totally agree with everything you've said. There are many, many charlatans out there. Warren, Osteen, Jakes, Meyer ~ none of them can be trusted to be faithful to the gospel found in my Bible. I read nothing they, or others like them, put out and I work in a Christian bookstore!
17 posted on 01/16/2011 1:57:30 PM PST by My hearts in London - Everett (You will try to nudge commies toward the truth, while they try to nudge you toward the cattle cars.)
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To: surroundedbyblue
Has Rickie even read Daniel?

Daniel 1:15 ESV At the end of ten days it was seen that they were better in appearance and fatter in flesh than all the youths who ate the king's food.

Not much of a diet plan, Rickie
18 posted on 01/16/2011 1:58:25 PM PST by armydoc
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To: surroundedbyblue

To all FREEPERS.

Go back as fat as freerepubic allows — I posted that Rick Warren was a sheep in wolf’s clothing BEFORE the Gore interview, the North Korea Visit, etc.

This guy (Warren) literally believes the ends justify the means.

When you combine this with religion (or government), it’s VERY dangerous.

Rick Warren - The White Man’s Elijah Muhammed. (TM),


19 posted on 01/16/2011 1:58:35 PM PST by BereanBrain
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To: surroundedbyblue
....the physicians who crafted the program apparently don't share the church's professed evangelical beliefs, espousing instead various forms of Eastern mysticism and the tenets of a Christian cult, Swedenborgism. Vowing to lose 90 pounds, Warren said he placed himself under the care of Drs. Mehmet Oz, Daniel Amen and Mark Hyman last fall and worked with each to develop "The Daniel Plan."

Ol' Rick's trying to get himself back in the news!

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20 posted on 01/16/2011 1:59:04 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: surroundedbyblue

Warren was not too theological to begin with


21 posted on 01/16/2011 2:01:37 PM PST by GeronL (How DARE you have an opinion!!)
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To: OKSooner

I suspect more people have atheist or agnostic doctors than anything.

I don’t ask.


22 posted on 01/16/2011 2:03:12 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Bulwyf

If you research Warren your suspicions will be confirmed, he doesn’t pass the smell test. Also, why is a preacher a member of the Council on Foreign Relations? I’d rather have the enemy in front of me than behind me. This guy is rotten.


23 posted on 01/16/2011 2:06:03 PM PST by Hayride
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To: Alex Murphy

You Scored as Karl Barth

The daddy of 20th Century theology. You perceive liberal theology to be a disaster and so you insist that the revelation of Christ, not human experience, should be the starting point for all theology.

Karl Barth
93%
Anselm
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Martin Luther
73%
Augustine
73%
Friedrich Schleiermacher
67%
John Calvin
67%
Charles Finney
53%
Jonathan Edwards
40%
Paul Tillich
33%
Jürgen Moltmann
20%


24 posted on 01/16/2011 2:06:36 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Take out the third, fifth and sixth letters and it's 'Red Digest', Comrade!")
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To: Hayride

I didn’t see anything in the article about him promoting any other faiths, just a diet designed by doctors who happen to be of other faiths. Did I miss something? I don’t know if it’s medically sound or not, but if he is only promoting the diet, what’s the problem?


25 posted on 01/16/2011 2:08:44 PM PST by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you hids bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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To: All

I have a bad feeling that when this fellow gets “important” enough he may openly change religions, with the intention of taking his followers and readers with him.He may have been planning this all along.His gullible followers need to be warned.We may be talking another cult on the scale of scientology.


26 posted on 01/16/2011 2:08:49 PM PST by sanjoaquinvalley (Longtime Lady Lurker)
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To: Hayride

Thanks for the heads up, ya he wasn’t sitting right with me, now I will have to do some research, any good ideas on where to start?


27 posted on 01/16/2011 2:08:58 PM PST by Bulwyf
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To: surroundedbyblue
Steve McConkey, who directs a website called Christian Investigator, called it "troubling for a top pastor in the United States to promote false teachers."

When defending a biblical worldview in the marketplace of ideas,Christians, and especially Christian pastors, must present the truth in order to set free those who have been captured by deceptive philosophies such as New Age cosmic humanism and eastern panteistic monism.

28 posted on 01/16/2011 2:14:58 PM PST by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: Hayride
Warren gave Obama a pass on his abortion stand during the presidential campaign.
29 posted on 01/16/2011 2:15:46 PM PST by FR_addict
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To: surroundedbyblue

Swedenborgism?


30 posted on 01/16/2011 2:18:13 PM PST by Excellence (Buy Progresso, take off the label, write "not halal," mail to Campbell's soup company.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Something’s screwy. It won’t let me go to the next page. :~( Tried it more than several times.


31 posted on 01/16/2011 2:19:20 PM PST by My hearts in London - Everett (You will try to nudge commies toward the truth, while they try to nudge you toward the cattle cars.)
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To: fish hawk
But Jewish people do share our faith whereas the Buddha, Shinto, Wicca etc. etc. do not.

As a matter of fact Christians and Jew don't share the same faith, they share the same values. But Jews don't believe Jesus was the Son of God, that he died for our sins, that salvation comes from faith not good works, or that only believers are saved. They do believe that even nonbeilievers will be allowed in heaven if they are righteous. That's far more like Swedenborgianism and other Universalists than traditional Christian theology.

32 posted on 01/16/2011 2:22:53 PM PST by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you hids bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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To: surroundedbyblue
Not a big deal, you can learn from a dog if you are paying attention.

For instance, Dogs don't poop where they eat.

33 posted on 01/16/2011 2:23:46 PM PST by Selmore (Except for ending Slavery, Facism, Communism, and Nazism, War never has accomplished anything)
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To: Bulwyf

I tend to google all the religious characters that get larger than life and dig around. I like to check out their foundations and see if they’re solid. Sadly, there is a lot of rotten apples floating at the top. I even believe a guy I defended for many years is rotten but I’ll let that go for the time being.

I suppose these charlatans and apostates are a sign of the times and prophesy being realized but it angers me when I think about it. The greatest enemy appears to have breached the perimeter by invitation.


34 posted on 01/16/2011 2:45:19 PM PST by Hayride
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To: Hugin

Stop right there. I understand where you are coming from but are you then saying that the OLD AND THE NEW TESTAMENT ARE NOT BOUND TOGETHER IN THE SAME BIBLE? (now I know that is not what you are saying but most of you misunderstand what I am saying) Excuse me also for thinking that Jesus WAS A JEW.


35 posted on 01/16/2011 3:00:33 PM PST by fish hawk (reporter to old Indian: you lived here on the reservation all your life? Old Indian, "not yet".)
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To: Bulwyf

You can start here:

http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?s=rick+warren&search=Search

Be sure to click on “older entries” at the bottom to see more.


36 posted on 01/16/2011 3:09:02 PM PST by Abigail Adams
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To: surroundedbyblue

Thanks for posting this. Another good article here:

http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=5580


37 posted on 01/16/2011 3:09:46 PM PST by Abigail Adams
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To: porter_knorr

Why is Obama’s evil in Rick Warren’s pulpit?
Posted: November 17, 2006
1:00 am Eastern

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52998

http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/05/peace-un.htm

Warren’s P.E.A.C.E. Plan & UN Goals - Part 1

The Emerging Global ‘Church’

What’s more, today’s soft, social “gospel” conforms easily to UNESCO’s guidelines for religion in the new world order. Remember Pastor Warren’s words, “The first [Reformation] was about beliefs. This one will be about deeds.”[11]

from Warrens own mouth


38 posted on 01/16/2011 3:22:57 PM PST by runninglips (Don't support the Republican party, work to "fundamentally change" it...conservative would be nice)
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To: BereanBrain

Years ago, I bought and started to read “Purpose Driven Life”.....I got part way through it and put it away.....why do we need books like his when we have the Bible?

Matthew 7:15 comes to mind when I think of Rick and his peers.....

I am amazed at the number of “Christians” that think he is wonderful......


39 posted on 01/16/2011 3:24:15 PM PST by Kimmers (Tell a lie often enough it becomes political........)
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To: surroundedbyblue

Of course.. seems only the next logical level..


40 posted on 01/16/2011 3:27:58 PM PST by JSDude1 (December 18, 2010 the Day the radical homosexual left declared WAR on the US Military.)
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

Yep if they were actually preaching the gospel, they would be OPPOSED by the world; not ‘embraced’ by them..in all fairness I do not preach (or live the gospel) like I should so I am a hypocrite.


41 posted on 01/16/2011 3:31:38 PM PST by JSDude1 (December 18, 2010 the Day the radical homosexual left declared WAR on the US Military.)
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To: surroundedbyblue

Once preachers go down the road of pop religion, there is no end to their apostasy.


42 posted on 01/16/2011 3:38:34 PM PST by pallis
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To: surroundedbyblue

“Hyman, a four-time New York Times best-selling author, promotes mystical meditation based on Buddhist principles. “
It’s a shame the author didn’t do some homework about the doctors.
I’m currently reading a book by Dr. Hyman about curing your brain with nutrition. He covers Alzheimers, dementia and autism.
This book should be read by everyone, basically he says most health problems can be cured thru nutrition and we are being poisoned by the US Gov’t food guidelines. Gee how can anyone argue with that?


43 posted on 01/16/2011 3:39:56 PM PST by conservativesister
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To: Excellence

i always liked the Swedish meatballs at the smorgasboord


44 posted on 01/16/2011 3:42:06 PM PST by MissDairyGoodnessVT
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To: surroundedbyblue

Warren is a wolf in sheeps clothing


45 posted on 01/16/2011 4:20:53 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: Hugin

Saddle back is SUPPOSED to be a church not a hospital


46 posted on 01/16/2011 4:22:04 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: armydoc
Daniel 1:15 ESV At the end of ten days it was seen that they were better in appearance and fatter in flesh than all the youths who ate the king's food.

Shhhh he does not know that...

47 posted on 01/16/2011 4:24:14 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: Excellence
Swedenborgism?

I had lots of images flash through my head but none of them were appropriate for church.

48 posted on 01/16/2011 4:25:30 PM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: RnMomof7

“Warren is a wolf in sheeps clothing”

That about sums it up!!! :-)


49 posted on 01/16/2011 5:14:03 PM PST by surroundedbyblue
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To: surroundedbyblue

I am not surprised at all, since it is Rick Warren.


50 posted on 01/16/2011 5:16:41 PM PST by rawhide
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