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New Jersey gun case demonstrates no justice possible through lawful avenues
Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 18 January, 2011 | David Codrea

Posted on 01/19/2011 6:52:15 PM PST by marktwain

“A late flight landed Utah gun owner Greg Revell in jail for 10 days after he got stranded in New Jersey with an unloaded firearm he had legally checked with his luggage in Salt Lake City,” the Associated Press reports.

Because of a late flight, Revell missed his connecting flight. His luggage had been erroneously routed to Newark. He collected it.

And he was then arrested, going through a nightmare that included “10 days in several different jails”—and think about that, and the type of terrifying population they had this man immersed in. He had charges hanging over his head for months, and his private property confiscated for years.

I wish some of us didn’t have to say “We told you so.”

And the government’s response?

Prosecutors said it doesn't matter whose fault it was…

And:

Lower courts have thrown out his lawsuit

They’re “sympathetic.” They even admit this entire injustice is “through no fault of [Revell’s].” But their hands are tied. Because one of the main purposes for having government in the first damn place, “to secure the Blessings of Liberty,” must take a back seat to treasonous, self-serving legislative and judicial perversions of the original mandate.

We’re told “the Supreme Court could decide Tuesday whether to consider letting Revell sue.”

They have:

Jan 18 2011 Petition DENIED.

A quote from John F. Kennedy comes to mind:

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.

Don’t expect the anti-defense lobby to condemn this outrage, to agree that a gross injustice has occurred, and to call for it being rectified so that no citizen will ever again be so victimized by the state. All their talk about “common sense” and a “reasonable middle ground” is just that—talk. It’s a smokescreen to allow them to advance from their beachhead, never to ease back and practice some of that “compromise” they’re continually hitting us over the head with.

As things stand now, there is no relief from this injustice. Which kind of makes me wonder if these newly-empowered Republicans, the ones who’ve promised us they’re all for principled government—and who were put in power largely through the efforts of involved gun owners—are going to take the lead on fixing this obscene outrage.

Or will peaceful resolution remain impossible under their leadership, too?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: banglist; constitution; cwiiping; gun; liberalfascism; nazistate; nj; policestate; rapeofliberty; tyranny
Time for legislation to provide for relief.
1 posted on 01/19/2011 6:52:20 PM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

“Oooh! Yes!!!!” Legislation, that’ll set the tyranny straight, yup.


2 posted on 01/19/2011 6:55:34 PM PST by Clint Williams (America -- a great idea, didn't last. The only reasonable response to jihad is Crusade.)
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To: marktwain
Couldn't he have avoided this problem? Oh I get it, he is another hero pushing the limits of the unconstitutional law to restore rights for all. Or was he an ignorant dork that outsmarted himself. Did he think he could legally possess a weapon in New Jersey?
3 posted on 01/19/2011 7:02:24 PM PST by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know .F Trp 8th Cav)
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To: kbennkc

read the article fool


4 posted on 01/19/2011 7:05:27 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: marktwain

Is there no justice or common sense and only a government of jack booted “public servants” with gold plated benefits who apparently have license to run ramshod over those who pay to operate it?

I belong to the NRA because I expect them to step up to the plate with the help of my donations and back-up victims of such predatory government policy. This is an outrage.


5 posted on 01/19/2011 7:06:57 PM PST by apoliticalone
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To: marktwain

The Nazi state of New Jersey, where only criminals can safely possess a firearm. Democrat politicians, left to their own devices will happily take all of us to this place. And they will be fully supported by our draconian judiciary. It’s for our own safety, don’t you know.


6 posted on 01/19/2011 7:08:35 PM PST by centurion316
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To: marktwain

I’ve always said that Liberty International Airport in Newark is the @$$hole of this nation. I will never fly to or through New Jersey ever again.


7 posted on 01/19/2011 7:16:21 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Tyrants flourish only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace.)
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To: kbennkc

Your tag line is ashamed of that post.


8 posted on 01/19/2011 7:19:39 PM PST by bvw
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To: marktwain
"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
9 posted on 01/19/2011 7:24:41 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: marktwain

Maybe he went after the wrong people?

If he checked the gun legally in Utah, and the late flight
caused the delay, doesn’t the airline bear some responsibility for this snafu?

I’m just wondering about the competence of his attorney.

None of this diminishes the outrage, but maybe he fought the wrong battle to start.


10 posted on 01/19/2011 7:30:26 PM PST by tsomer
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To: marktwain

I would suppose, knowing that the gun was “radioactive” in New Jersey, he was expected to abandon the luggage? Or to ask the airline to handle it themselves and forward it to the intended destination? Or to ask police to take the gun from the luggage so he could then take possession of the remainder?

One thing, common sense did not govern. And we can hardly expect gun grabber Christie to care.


11 posted on 01/19/2011 7:30:57 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Blue Jays
Imagine the horror of being simply an average man or woman...and finding yourself in general population in jail due to technicalities at the hands of an overreaching government? What a nightmare.
12 posted on 01/19/2011 7:31:20 PM PST by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: kbennkc

Couldn’t you have avoided cramming your foot in your mouth?


13 posted on 01/19/2011 7:32:18 PM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: kbennkc

Did you really read what happened?


15 posted on 01/19/2011 8:18:50 PM PST by SootyFoot2
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To: centurion316

Not just Democrats. The current incumbent and his AG Paula Dow are hardly pro-Second Amendment.


16 posted on 01/19/2011 8:24:29 PM PST by ZULU (No nation which ever attempted to tolerate Islam, escaped total Islamization.)
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To: marktwain
This makes me want to do something felonious.

The password is 'jailbreak'.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

17 posted on 01/19/2011 8:33:54 PM PST by The Comedian ("Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice" - B. Goldwater)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“Or to ask the airline to handle it themselves and forward it to the intended destination?”

Evidently the only way to avoid breaking local law.

“And we can hardly expect gun grabber Christie to care.”

Since all this happened long before Christie became Governor, the comment is inappropriate.

Mr Revell made an honest and natural mistake by claiming his luggage, and ran afoul of our stupid New Jersey gun laws. It sounds as though it was straightened out in 10 days by the local D.A. behaving rationally, which you certainly can’t always count on. Technically Revell was in violation of New Jersey law, and he’s very lucky he wasn’t blackmailed into pleading guilty to something in order to avoid prison. Given normal doctrines of sovereign immunity Revell really never had a tort case, and was foolish to waste his time in court. If he had made the same gun mistake in NYC, he would probably still be in prison.


18 posted on 01/19/2011 8:41:06 PM PST by devere
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To: devere

And the State, it seems, is TECHNICALLY in violation of this [federal] law:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000241——000-.html

Ah, but we mere peons have no standing; I keep making the mistake that Governments [and their agents] should be bound by law as well.


19 posted on 01/19/2011 8:54:56 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: devere

Wouldn’t Christie’s signature be needed on any remedial legislation or private bill to reimburse Revell?


20 posted on 01/19/2011 9:04:58 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: OneWingedShark

Apparently being Keystone Kopz is not deemed “conspiracy.”


21 posted on 01/19/2011 9:07:06 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“Wouldn’t Christie’s signature be needed on any remedial legislation or private bill to reimburse Revell?”

Since the NJ legislature is totally controlled by Rats, the passage of such a bill is entirely inconceivable. In any event Christie has already proven he has some conscience by commuting the absurd seven year gun possession sentence of Brian Aitken to time served. Mr. Revell is very very lucky he didn’t get the Aitken treatment. Personally I’d vote to pardon and compensate Aitken before compensating Revell. What happened to Revell is already as close as it gets to a happy ending in Liberal New Jersey.


22 posted on 01/19/2011 9:23:26 PM PST by devere
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To: marktwain

Time for him to get a lawyer and own part of NJ (not that anyone would want it)


23 posted on 01/20/2011 4:11:09 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Planning on using 911? Google "Brittany Zimmerman")
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To: kbennkc

He is completely innocent....how about reading the effing article.


24 posted on 01/20/2011 4:13:04 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Planning on using 911? Google "Brittany Zimmerman")
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To: marktwain

I believe federal laws says something like this:

If you are transporting a weapon you legally own FROM a place where it is legal to own TO another place where it is legal to own, then no state, city, township or other jurisdiction can stop you.


25 posted on 01/20/2011 4:21:11 AM PST by djf (Touch my junk and I'll break yur mug!!!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Another possibility is that they could also not be ‘persons’ as the law says “If two or more persons [...]”
:)


26 posted on 01/20/2011 9:36:56 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: The Comedian

For a jailbreak to be done right you will need to be very thorough.

C4 comes to mind


27 posted on 01/20/2011 1:30:05 PM PST by GeronL (http://www.stink-eye.net/forum/index.php)
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To: kbennkc

Why the vitriol?

If you had read the piece, and the link to the AP article contained within it, you would know that this guy followed ALL the rules regarding carrying firearms in checked baggage on commercial airliners.


28 posted on 01/20/2011 1:38:56 PM PST by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: kbennkc

About how dumb would you say you are?


29 posted on 01/20/2011 3:04:10 PM PST by gaijin
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To: djf

I believe it’s called the McClure Volkmer Firearm Owner’s Protection Act. The only way it would work in his favor is if there are criminal penalties for violation, which a Federal official was wiling to pursue. Think Eric Holder’s Justice Department and Black Panthers, and I think you can see where it would end up, even if there were criminal penalties for violation.


30 posted on 01/20/2011 3:05:19 PM PST by Hardastarboard (Bringing children to America without immigration documents is child abuse. Let's end it.)
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To: marktwain

Once we make all laws ambiguous judgment calls, then everyone will be sorta guilty always.


31 posted on 01/20/2011 4:43:38 PM PST by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: Eaker; afnamvet; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; An Old Man; ApesForEvolution; aragorn; archy; ArmedSkeptic; ...
CWII ping. Nice Kennedy quote!

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Of course sometimes this is merely a figure of speech, such as "The Tea Parties are fighting a civil war for the heart of the GOP". This would not merit a CWII ping.

On the other hand someone saying something like "The events in California are reminiscent of what happened in Yugoslavia in the period proceeding the Civil War" would be.

In general most people on the CWII list are interested in this topic. Some may feel that there is a real possibility that we may arrive at that unhappy conclusion, particularly if other avenues for resolving our differences are taken away. (Such as widespread vote fraud by leftists making elections meaningless, or a small cadre of judges over-ruling all attempts to end destructive policies over the clear will of the people.) FR rules do not permit advocating for the overthrow of the Republic, and I don't think too many people are fans of a civil war on the list. In the many years of running it no one has taken that position. But the question does come up, which is why I've written this mini-FAQ on it.

32 posted on 01/21/2011 1:27:15 PM PST by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Fitzy_888

“Did you really think we want those laws observed?” said Dr. Ferris. “We want them to be broken. You’d better get it straight that it’s not a bunch of boy scouts you’re up against... We’re after power and we mean it... There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted — and you create a nation of law-breakers — and then you cash in on guilt. Now that’s the system Mr. Reardon, that’s the game, and once you understand it, you’ll be much easier to deal with.”

— Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

33 posted on 01/21/2011 2:04:18 PM PST by glock rocks (I am Dyslexis of Borg. Your ass will be laminated.)
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To: marktwain

fat chance.


34 posted on 01/21/2011 2:09:40 PM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: The Comedian
The descent:

High Trust, Low Trust, No Trust

Then - degringolade.

The trust that used to bind us together didn't fail due to its internals - it was pushed down the stairs by those seekign to collapse our once free Republic and replace it with... something else. Solzhenitsyn wept.

35 posted on 01/21/2011 2:11:38 PM PST by Noumenon ("We should forgive our enemies, but not before they are hanged.")
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To: glock rocks

The Rand quote is as true today - perhaps even moreso - than it was written.


36 posted on 01/21/2011 2:13:30 PM PST by Noumenon ("We should forgive our enemies, but not before they are hanged.")
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To: marktwain

The government can be sympathetic all they want...

Technically the court is right in the enforcement of the law, but since New Jersey seems to be full of asshats at that level, and that common sense in any investigation revealed absolutely NO intent to break the law, and that this guy declared the firearm legally in the first place to fly with it, then I rest my case that everyone who has prosecuted this case are a bunch of tyrranical asshats that should be run out on a rail...

I have plans to fly up to Minnesota (St. Paul) and through my rciprocity agreement with that state I will be flying with a declared firearm and my normal loadout of ammunition (3 mags) no mo, no less...

I anticipate no problems in the beginning of my journey, but I am hoping that there are not any overbearing asshats in the St. Paul airport to give me heartaches on the way back...

I’m not a big fan of jumping through these overbearing hoops to exercise my right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...But I will follow the rules and be a good boy in the process...It will be interesting to see where and if there will be someone to give me too much more attention to somehow warrant addition intrusive scrutiny just because I am declaring a firearm in my “checked” baggage...

When you have been carrying for as long as I have, you become a student of the law and know that you need to review it and other states laws on the subject from time to time...

This guy got screwed for absolutely no fault of his own, and if any lawyer of judge should know through legal precidence that this type of situation has occcured many times before, where an actor, through no fault of their own was put into a situation where they were technically breaking a law, and with no intent to do so, just proves my point that their is NO common sense at all anymore in state of New Jersey...

I just hope my flight (this summer) doesn’t get diverted to Illinois...We may have a slight problem there...


37 posted on 01/21/2011 3:06:40 PM PST by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: The Comedian
"This makes me want to do something felonious.

The password is 'jailbreak'." - The Comedian


Jailbreaks are too difficult to pull off successfully... Someone or something always gets messed up. Work smarter, not harder...

To that end: Forget trying to bust him out of a structure, bust him out of a vehicle. He has to be transported outside of prison walls for a trial or appeal, right? Block in transport vehicle, yank an innocent bystander (not really innocent - bystander is actually part of team and in on the plan) up as a hostage and hold gun to their head telling guards hostage will be shot if they don't release the prisoner. With this plan executed on a side street (used by prison transport to avoid perceived threat from heavy traffic) there is less chance of getting caught, better chance of blending in with other traffic, especially if you drop primary vehicle for secondary vehicle once out of view (may involve entering a parking garage in order to get out of view of an observing aircraft, but effective). Have all required "new identity" documentation, anonymous Tracphone, along with check/carry-on luggage ready to get subject out of the country and drive him to straight to the nearest airport (tickets paid for with prepaid debit card in an untrackable name.) Send subject support money in new country via established PayPal accounts by purchasing (non-existant) items from him on eBay. The subject needs to be out of the country, or at least on an outbound flight, within 1-2 hours in order to stay ahead of the BOLO.

See what happens when I can't sleep at night? And this plan just scratches the surface. ;-)

Regards,
Raven6

38 posted on 01/22/2011 9:33:29 AM PST by Raven6 (The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either.)
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To: Raven6
I like you.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

39 posted on 01/22/2011 9:58:00 AM PST by The Comedian ("Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice" - B. Goldwater)
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To: kbennkc

No, he could NOT have avoided that problem.
He was flying somewhere, and due to a screwup he got stuck in Jersey. The responsible thing for him to do a that point - and due to idiotic UNCONSTITUTIONAL laws, the illegal thing to do - was to claim his baggage and secure his guns in his own care.


40 posted on 01/22/2011 7:56:16 PM PST by ctdonath2 (Great children's books - http://www.UsborneBooksGA.com)
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To: ctdonath2
Well good luck to you powerless bastards whose destiny and freedom is completely in the hands of the airlines and the baggage handlers. Pity you if you are dealt any real difficulty and you have to do something to ensure compliance with the law, how ever unconstitutional it is.
What do you want , To stay out of jail and fight to change the law or sit in jail divested of every civil right including the right to bear arm while you have an appeal. Can you cite the last time a criminal conviction for a gun violation was over turned as a violative of the second amendment rights of the defendant?
41 posted on 01/22/2011 8:31:12 PM PST by kbennkc
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To: kbennkc

Sad your emails are just sad.


42 posted on 01/22/2011 8:45:49 PM PST by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: kbennkc

Wasn’t MacDonald v. Chicago just in the news a while back?


43 posted on 01/22/2011 11:28:24 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: kbennkc

You are very confused.


44 posted on 01/23/2011 7:18:43 PM PST by ctdonath2 (Great children's books - http://www.UsborneBooksGA.com)
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