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Hawaii Ground Report (more on birth certificate)
HillBuzz ^ | 1/23/11 | Kevin DuJan

Posted on 01/23/2011 10:50:25 AM PST by Nachum

Could Hawaiian Governor Neil Abercrombie not be as incompetent and foolish as he appears, but orchestrating a deliberate birth certificate recovery dead end to cover his own papakole? UPDATED: Mystery solved! Reason Obama will not release birth certificate is because his name is legally written “Barry Soetoro” on it.

Here’s an interesting Ground Report from Hawaii that contains an ingenious theory about Hawaiian Governor Neil Abercrombie’s bizarre backtrack on releasing Obama’s birth certificate.

Remember, Abercrombie promised that once he was elected Governor he would prove Obama’s birth certificate existed because he would march down to the Hall of Records and demand its production from the archives…and he would then hold it aloft in the gentle Hawaiian breeze, high above his balding pate, for all the world to see, thereby producing the document Obama has spent millions to keep hidden.

Well, after he was elected, Abercrombie strangely acknowledged no original birth certificate could be found for Obama in Hawaii, but that there were “handwritten notes” that he was born on the island of Oahu in 1961. Abercrombie did not claim he saw the actual birth certificate.

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1 posted on 01/23/2011 10:50:30 AM PST by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

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2 posted on 01/23/2011 10:52:08 AM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

It would be interesting if any Occidental or Columbia grads have alumni directories and could look him up and see which name was listed. Current directories will have been scrubbed, but older directories may have the info.


3 posted on 01/23/2011 10:53:18 AM PST by tips up
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To: Nachum

Well, then, we’ll just call him President Soetoro.


4 posted on 01/23/2011 10:54:38 AM PST by goldi (')
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To: tips up

By the time he applied to Columbia he may have settled on ‘Barack Hussein Obama Jr’. Occidental’s records would be more interesting, and most interesting of all is his BC. Everyone who hears the basic facts—with a couple of high profile exceptions—knows there is something fundamentally amiss with it. Listing his name as ‘Barry Soetoro’ is almost a given. I wonder what else about it would be embarrassing, or worse, to the so-called Obama.


5 posted on 01/23/2011 11:01:19 AM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: Nachum

I can remember when bastard was not a neutral term. Not his fault, but he is a bastard. Some states used to punish bastardy as a crime (the father, not the poor little bastard).


6 posted on 01/23/2011 11:03:40 AM PST by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: Nachum

I believe that Zer0 became an illegal alien, decades ago.


7 posted on 01/23/2011 11:03:46 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Fantasywriter

Passport records might be interesting, as well.


8 posted on 01/23/2011 11:04:13 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: tips up
What DID happen to all the yearbooks and other such publications from those schools?

How is it no one has offered even one ?

Can we suppose that certain political operatives contacted EVERY person in those schools and somehow bought/stole/acquired EVERY copy?

9 posted on 01/23/2011 11:05:14 AM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: Nachum

I have a dream. A dream that one day this “Obama” House of Cards comes crashing down for all of us to see. I have a dream!


10 posted on 01/23/2011 11:06:19 AM PST by GnL
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To: Nachum
So what this is saying , is ? if anything that Obama has signed does not have his real legal name ( Barry Soetoro ) then ? if he has signed anything with his name Barrack Obama, it does not have any legal weight what so ever as President ? is that correct ?

Does Obama actually have authority and control over the USA anymore ? or does the United Nations have legal authority over the USA and Obama is just one of their appointed officers ? just wondering because this whole thing is getting very very weird.
11 posted on 01/23/2011 11:07:32 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Nachum

In Dreams the so-called Obama mentioned how impressed he was with Malcom X’s ability to “reinvent” himself. MX was born Malcolm Little. ‘Obama’ was probably born Barry Dunham. He then became Barry Soetoro. At some point, Malcolm X-like, he decided Barack Hussein Obama Jr was his ticket to an identity and a leg up in American politics.

It will all come out sooner or later. And Rush, if you can’t get in on uncovering the truth, please don’t jump in after the hard work is done.


12 posted on 01/23/2011 11:07:48 AM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: Nachum

How could the name on the birth certificate be “Barry Soetoro” since he was born in 1961 and she didn’t marry Soetoro until 1965 and didn’t even arrive in Hawaii until Sept 18, 1962. That’s beyond belief. I could believe that the birth certificate shows Dunham as the mother and father unk or not declared.

If the actual birth certificate read Soetoro it’s either a fake or was done long after he was born. Again not realistic.


13 posted on 01/23/2011 11:08:41 AM PST by airedale
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To: Nachum

Okay. A BC with the surname Soetoro when the mother’s name is Dunham and the father’s name is Obama? I doubt any such BC listed that way would pass the smell test, especially in a 1961 moral climate. I thought Soetoro came later.

I’m not buying this.


14 posted on 01/23/2011 11:09:42 AM PST by OrangeHoof (Washington, we Texans want a divorce!)
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To: Nachum

Problem with this is that for the past two years, Hawaii had a Republcian governor, Lingle..fairly popular, ( she’s considering a Senate run in 2012) who totally punted on the question..she did absolutely nothing..ducked it totally.. (and was given cover by the MSM) she could easily have leaked it..and kept her name off of it..


15 posted on 01/23/2011 11:11:54 AM PST by ken5050 (Palin/Bachman 2012 - FOUR boobs are better than the two we have now!)
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To: Nachum

Like all of the theories bouncing around, this one is missing the critical evidence required to confirm or deny if its true. However, this one does move the ball downfield past all of the place of birth theories that insist that their particular version of events must be correct.

The critical issue for Americans is that we have a right to know who BHO is, what are the facts of his early life, and why has he gone to such great lengths to hide the details of his early life from the American public. With such information in hand, we can make the decisions about whether or not he should be reelected. But, Obama is having none of it. He wants to continue the lies and deceptions, and his friends in the media are more than happy to sit on their hands and support his efforts. All politicians want to control the message about their life story, but only criminal politicians want to invent a story out of whole cloth in order to cover the evidence of their criminal behavior.


16 posted on 01/23/2011 11:14:35 AM PST by centurion316
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To: USNBandit

Given the lengths they’ve gone to to conceal Barry’s passport records, along with his mother’s older records, they would not only be interesting but quite possibly dispositive/damning.


17 posted on 01/23/2011 11:15:16 AM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: Nachum
Just who is really Obama's father?
18 posted on 01/23/2011 11:16:59 AM PST by bmwcyle (It is Satan's fault)
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To: Nachum
Granny had a certified copy of Obama’s original BC. When Stanley Ann allowed Obama to be adopted Granny kept the origional certified copy hidden and revealed it to Barak after Mommie died.

Barkey went through all the schools as Barry Soetoro only returned to Barak Obama, Jr. when it became politically prudent with the entry into Harvard. Barry got tripped up when he showed Granny's copy to the Illinois bar and someone, somewhere knew he had been adopted and never legally changed his name back.

19 posted on 01/23/2011 11:31:00 AM PST by WellyP
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To: Nachum
Interesting theory....I wonder how if relates to the birth certificate Obama talks about in his first book? On Page 26 of “Dreams of My Father”, Obama writes: “I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school,” While this brief quote does not state WHAT article it is that Obama found, it does mention that he found it WITH his BIRTH CERTIFICATE. This would have been in the mid 70′s, so this birth certificate would not have been a computer generated document.
20 posted on 01/23/2011 11:31:01 AM PST by milwguy
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To: Fantasywriter
Think about it....We know more about “Joe the Plumber” then we do about the POTUS...The MSM had no problem uncovering every aspect of Joes life...As to Obama...Crickets
21 posted on 01/23/2011 11:36:00 AM PST by M-cubed
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To: milwguy

Update:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2661997/posts


22 posted on 01/23/2011 11:36:32 AM PST by WellyP
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To: airedale

Methinks you didn’t read the full article.

An adoption with a name change actually includes going back and altering the birth certificate to show the NEW legal name. See?


23 posted on 01/23/2011 11:39:02 AM PST by bolobaby
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To: Nachum

Good analysis here, actually. I find this believable.


24 posted on 01/23/2011 11:39:31 AM PST by bolobaby
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To: hoosierham

Not likely.

Interesting point is that he is almost 50 years old and has left hardly any footprints in his life. How much did we know about Bush, Kerry, Gore, McCain, Palin, etc younger years? Nothing about Barry.


25 posted on 01/23/2011 11:41:20 AM PST by tips up
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To: bolobaby
Please see my post, #19. He used a certified copy of his ORIGIONAL BC, saved by his forward thinking Grandmother, to reassure the name Barak H. Obama, Jr.
26 posted on 01/23/2011 11:47:37 AM PST by WellyP
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To: M-cubed

I really couldn’t tell you which I respect less: the so-called press or our elected ‘representatives’. This sentiment isn’t limited to political junkies. I encounter the same reation whenever I open my mouth in public. (The stories I could tell.) The MSM and DC are playing with fire, if one or the other doesn’t decide to to their job soon. [I’m not advocating violence. I’m just saying if neither the MSM or DC wakes up and smells the industrial strength disdain soon, the consequence won’t be pretty.]


27 posted on 01/23/2011 11:51:13 AM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: tips up

I don’t think he graduated from Occidential, but you are on track-how about a student/faculty directory? Somewhere, somebody has a list of students with Obama’s name on it-whether it is Obama or Sorento will prove interesting.


28 posted on 01/23/2011 12:01:26 PM PST by Maine Mariner
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To: bolobaby

Not that I know of. The birth certificate would remain the same in most cases and the adoption date is something different.


29 posted on 01/23/2011 12:06:09 PM PST by airedale
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To: airedale

I was wrong.


30 posted on 01/23/2011 12:07:39 PM PST by airedale
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To: Nachum
"Mystery solved! Reason Obama will not release birth certificate is because his name is legally written “Barry Soetoro” on it. "

Are they going to use this to keep from showing it? A non-starter "confession", hoping it will quell the push to actually see the document?

We don't really care what the jerk's real name his, just where was he born?

I think all of America is getting tired of this silly masquerade; the ones who are obama fans try to ridicule those with questions (birthers) into silence.

Of couse, that's what the left does - they can only spread their lies when the truth is squelched.

Meanwhile, the dopey Hawaiian governor is under the bus...

ABERDOPY

ALOHA
31 posted on 01/23/2011 12:08:17 PM PST by FrankR (The Evil Are Powerless If The Good Are Unafraid! - R. Reagan)
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To: airedale

LOL, the birth cert was amended after his mother married Soetoro...so that there is no longer a BHO cert but instead an amended copy of SOMETHING that calls him Barry Soetoro. Which he probably used for scholarships to HS and Occidental...he must have changed himself into BHO before going to Columbia....


32 posted on 01/23/2011 12:19:53 PM PST by bitt ( Charles Krauthammer: "There's desperation, and then there's reptilian desperation, ..")
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To: Nachum

Ambercrummy has just paved the way for Obamas 2012 re-election campaign. He will use the “written record found on file in Hawaii” discovery that was just verified by the Hawaii Governer. He will use this to argue proof of his Hawaiian birth. In other words, Obama has just used the Hawaii Governer to show some proof without actually having to show proof!


33 posted on 01/23/2011 12:22:10 PM PST by rwoodward ("god, guns and more ammo")
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To: Nachum

“FREE THE LONG FORM!”


34 posted on 01/23/2011 12:25:35 PM PST by Dryman ("FREE THE LONG FORM!")
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To: Nachum

“Could Hawaiian Governor Neil Abercrombie not be as incompetent and foolish as he appears,”

It is almost as dangerous to overestimate an opponent as underestimate him. From what I’ve read of this aging flake, he couldn’t `mastermind’ a two car funeral motorcade.


35 posted on 01/23/2011 12:27:09 PM PST by tumblindice (I see, I see..now I see November, 2012 from my front porch!)
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To: tips up

Obama worked for Sidley and Austin (law firm) in Chicago. The was after the 1986 law was passed, so he would have had to proven that he eligible to work in the US. People should look into this.


36 posted on 01/23/2011 12:32:08 PM PST by Richard from IL
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To: bitt

Granny had a certified origional. He got hold of it and Granny got snuffed!


37 posted on 01/23/2011 12:33:16 PM PST by WellyP
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To: rwoodward
Verification is the key.

Will states that demand proof ask for the cert itself or is a gov's say-so enough proof?

38 posted on 01/23/2011 12:47:02 PM PST by what's up
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To: Nachum

“Buying industrial size drum of popcorn”

There are now more theories about Barry’s birth than about the JFK assassination.

My guess is he was born in Mombasa, kenya, just like his supposed grandma said. Who his biological father was is another guess.


39 posted on 01/23/2011 1:08:54 PM PST by devere
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To: Nachum

I thought about this from a few different angles and this theory does not fit all of the facts. Lets say zero did use soetoro all of his young 10-20 something years. Lets assume that his name was legally changed in HI upon his adoption and a new BC created. He would have two long form BC’s on file, one original and one amended. Even if he did revert to the O name at some point in his 20’s without a legal name change, it really is not that big of a deal. He would have had a BC for both names.

None of this would explain the purging of documents from Occidental, Columbia, the IL bar, so forth and so on. And it certainly would not explain the tremendous risk of creating the fake COLB. If the theory that the article advances was the case, it would have far more simple to just say that once I was in college, I began using the name of my birth father over the man who adopted me and then insisted on sending me away to live with my grandparents. Given all of the crappola that this country and the MSM let him get away with in 2008, they would have eaten that narrative right out of his hand.


40 posted on 01/23/2011 1:31:45 PM PST by lovesdogs
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To: All

Here it is!


41 posted on 01/23/2011 1:48:40 PM PST by RedMDer (restoration of our honor, dignity, and freedoms will save America. - Sarah Palin)
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To: GnL
I have a dream. A dream that one day this “Obama” House of Cards comes crashing down for all of us to see. I have a dream!

Every morning when I check FR I fully expect to see that the One has been taken into custody.

42 posted on 01/23/2011 1:57:18 PM PST by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius, (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: lovesdogs
I agree the scenario of name change due to his adoption has been floating around ever since there has been a question of where he was born. Nothing new introduced here. It is all still up in the air of why Obama will not produce his long form B.C along with his other records:
43 posted on 01/23/2011 2:08:15 PM PST by classified
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To: rwoodward

That’s why every state needs to institute a law that requires candidates to physically show their long BC before being put on any ballot!


44 posted on 01/23/2011 2:14:17 PM PST by Tun Tavern 1775 (You haven't seen nothing yet!)
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To: Nachum

Some states used to punish bastardy as a crime (the father, not the poor little bastard).

Lawrence County, Ironton, Ohio, 1964


45 posted on 01/23/2011 2:56:33 PM PST by acehai
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To: Nachum
Hmm, pretty interesting theory.

Soetoro Image

46 posted on 01/23/2011 3:47:09 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: Nachum

Amateurs. Even the FR birthers, who generally annoy me, know more than these late-to-the-game speculators.


47 posted on 01/23/2011 4:04:01 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: WellyP

“pillow talk” with Granny....”oh, wake up, Granny..!”


48 posted on 01/23/2011 4:36:03 PM PST by bitt ( Charles Krauthammer: "There's desperation, and then there's reptilian desperation, ..")
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To: bmwcyle
"Just who is really Obama's father?"

The real question is...

Who is the black woman?

49 posted on 01/23/2011 4:37:16 PM PST by TXnMA (Don't mess with Mother Nature -- or Jim Robinson!)
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To: Fantasywriter

You would have to try many alternative spellings of Soetero, such as Sutoro that shows up on Ann’s documents

More interesting would be an investigation of the multiple SSN’s that go along with the multiple names


50 posted on 01/23/2011 4:55:36 PM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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