Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

American Thinker: The Birther Trial Balloon by Cindy Simpson (Analysis from Hill Buzz)
Hill Buzz ^ | January 25, 2011 | Kevin DuJan

Posted on 01/25/2011 8:03:49 PM PST by RobinMasters

American Thinker ran an interesting piece today entitled “The Birther Trial Balloon” by Cindy Simpson.

In it, Simpson makes the case that hiding Obama’s birth certificate is part of some scheme for his re-election campaign: ie, to create a mystery just so Americans can be fascinated by it, then produce the document at the last minute to make conservatives look bad for asking to see it in the first place.

Just three short years ago, of course, I would have said that was ridiculous, but very little about the Obama administration or the things it does makes any sense.

For Simspon’s theory to be accurate, however, Obama, David Axelrod, and the rest would have had to conspire on this many, many years ago, hiding his birth certificate just so it could be used in a crazy scheme for his re-election bid in 2012. They also would have had to keep it hidden through his 2008 election bid, having masterfully laid down this future trap with re-election in mind.

Everyone involved with the Obama White House has proven they aren’t that smart.

Obama himself was a D student at Columbia and Harvard (produce his transcripts and prove me wrong). Axelrod is a master manipulator and inventor of astroturfing, but he’s not a psychic genius.

Obama’s just benefitting from conservatives’ constant fear of the media, in this issue and with everything else.

(Excerpt) Read more at hillbuzz.org ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-86 next last

1 posted on 01/25/2011 8:03:50 PM PST by RobinMasters
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: RobinMasters

I feel like Alice in Wonderland


2 posted on 01/25/2011 8:07:12 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RobinMasters
He'll have to produce one long before the election to get on more than a few state ballots.

There will be lawsuits in all 57 states demanding it.

3 posted on 01/25/2011 8:08:02 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." -- Barry Soetoro, June 11, 2008)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RobinMasters; pissant

This is what I have been saying for the past two years - It’s a big trap.


4 posted on 01/25/2011 8:08:09 PM PST by Perdogg (What Would Aqua Buddha do?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RobinMasters

Here..Here!!


5 posted on 01/25/2011 8:10:20 PM PST by woofer2425 (You will all be using Macs within 5 years)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RobinMasters

It takes about four years to create perfect forgeries and to create a trail of birth evidence where none existed.


6 posted on 01/25/2011 8:11:10 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ProtectOurFreedom

The same thing was said on rush today. Its just a big trap to make the right look bad. This man is a scheming POS.


7 posted on 01/25/2011 8:14:34 PM PST by hillarys cankles
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: RobinMasters

“...then produce the document at the last minute to make conservatives look bad for asking to see it in the first place.”

.
Document or no document, if Obummer’s pappy is the Muslim Kenyan, he still is not a natural born US citizen.


8 posted on 01/25/2011 8:16:04 PM PST by 353FMG
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RobinMasters

This is plain BS. Obammy already posted his supposed birth certificate months ago, only for it to be proven a fraud. He wouldn’t dare try for another dummied up certificate that wasn’t exactly like the one he posted. So he’s screwed. All he can do is wait it out and continue to refuse in hopes some judge won’t hold him in contempt for failing to abide by a court order. If he can slide through the next two years, he’s home free and he’ll never be required to prove he was a legitimate president. I doubt if he expects to run for a second term. Won’t happen.


9 posted on 01/25/2011 8:17:18 PM PST by Eastbound (3-7-77)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RobinMasters

I might have bought this line of thinking prior to Gov. Abercrombie announcing that there is not one and only hand written notes. Notes are not forms, they are just notes on paper and could have been created at any time.

I think if Obama produces something that the state of Hawaii has now said does not exist, Americans will see straight thru that. It will scream forgery to most normal people.

From what I hear, Abercrombie just plain screwed up.


10 posted on 01/25/2011 8:20:01 PM PST by HappyWarrior2012
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RobinMasters

I read that article in American Thinker and I’m not at all convinced. I don’t think its a trial balloon. I believe that Abercrombie just got a wild hare and did his thing and now its probably Barry’s worst nightmare come true.


11 posted on 01/25/2011 8:20:09 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RobinMasters
For Simspon’s theory to be accurate, however, Obama, David Axelrod, and the rest would have had to conspire on this many, many years ago, hiding his birth certificate just so it could be used in a crazy scheme for his re-election bid in 2012.

I am thinking that the circumstance of the birth certificate came up, and then they got together to either make the most of it, or it doesn't exist. Why would it have to be conspiracy decades in the making?

12 posted on 01/25/2011 8:27:12 PM PST by runninglips (Don't support the Republican party, work to "fundamentally change" it...conservative would be nice)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RobinMasters
... hiding Obama’s birth certificate is part of some scheme for his re-election campaign: ie, to create a mystery just so Americans can be fascinated by it, then produce the document at the last minute to make conservatives look bad for asking to see it in the first place.

Total and complete B.S.

13 posted on 01/25/2011 8:28:24 PM PST by TaxPayer2000 (The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government,)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Perdogg

A trap for him and his doofus relatives.


14 posted on 01/25/2011 8:31:10 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: yldstrk

This theory does not account for the fact that his ineligibility is unrelated to his missing docs.Article II means both parents must be citizens. If this were not so why did not the framers simply state “citizen” instead of “natural born citizen”?
It is apparent the political class steering this circus figured all the Americans were dead already and it would never be figured out by the 40 million new Aztecs roaming the land.


15 posted on 01/25/2011 8:47:16 PM PST by magna carta
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: RobinMasters

I don’t think the American people nor the military would appreciate the Commander in Chief playing games with the careers of
LTC Lakin, Captain Pamela Barnett
and Major Stefan Cook .
Obama had the DOJ pull two federal prosecutors ( David DeJute and Roger West ) away their normal assignments to argue against Captain Barnett.
He’d look like an even bigger POS if this was all some perverted White House game of hide and seek.
I think Abercrombie bought the WH and media version and stepped in it.


16 posted on 01/25/2011 8:48:31 PM PST by Wild Irish Rogue
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RobinMasters

The GOP and the Left want their golden goose financial train to continue; not just so fast; so producing the bc and getting rid of Obama won’t do.


17 posted on 01/25/2011 8:52:32 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Perdogg

I reject that completely. There is nothing to be trapped into. Either he has legit birth docs or he doesn’t. If he’s legit, that’s just dandy. We’ll rest more comfortably knowing the constitution has not been subverted.


18 posted on 01/25/2011 8:54:52 PM PST by pissant ((Bachmann 2012 - Freepmail to get on/off PING list))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: pissant

If Obama is playing some sort of game, that would make me dislike him even more.


19 posted on 01/25/2011 9:02:39 PM PST by Sophia777
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: pissant

Republicans subverted the Constitution by agreeing to HR 511 making McCain eligible when he was not. If he were eligible, he wouldn’t need HR 511. McCaskill made a deal with Repubs. They would make McCain eligible if nothing was said about Obama’s eligibility. Repubs thought McCain would win over Hillary. They got fooled when Dems ran Obama even though Hillary won the primaries. Every member of Congress, SCOTUS, White House knew Obama was not eligible. If they investigate Obama, they will have to admit their violation of the Constitution. I’m afraid something very tragic is going to happen in a desperate attempt to save face.


20 posted on 01/25/2011 9:20:08 PM PST by charlie72
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: charlie72

McCain was and is eligible, no mater where he was born. His father was abroad in the service of the US Government. And both ma and pa were citizens.


21 posted on 01/25/2011 9:24:40 PM PST by pissant ((Bachmann 2012 - Freepmail to get on/off PING list))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Wild Irish Rogue

I think you are right that Abercrombie bought the WH lies about Obama. By now, Dems thought they would have such a hold on the U.S. that they would never have to face the truth of their treason. They would throw everyone under the bus who even tried to get in their way—including military officers, judges and SCOTUS.

Thank God for the Tea Party patriots who sacrificed so much to enlighten the voters. They are the only reason we still have a chance to defeat the Commie Obamie.


22 posted on 01/25/2011 9:26:55 PM PST by charlie72
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: RobinMasters

Someone on another site made a good comment:

The “Won” may KNOW that someone has the original bc....(blackmail-—sorry...African-American-mail...sorry....Arab-mail...sorry.....).

This co-opts the idea that he will “whip it out” before the election of 2012 to try to make skeptics look like fools.

There is so much research that has been done (and SAVED) in the blogosphere concerning details of everything WRONG with his “history” that he would need more than 2 years to cover it with deception that would only convince his most rabid supporters that he is suspect.

buh-bye 2012.....


23 posted on 01/25/2011 9:28:45 PM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pissant

If McCain were eligible, why pass HR 511, and why did Repubs sign it as if needed? They should have refused. If there was any question about his birth in the Republic of Panama hospital (not the US military hospital), they should have nominated someone else to ensure they were not violating the Constitution.

Their failure to do so, left them wide open to charges of being bought to keep silent, and makes them as guilty as Dems. The whole issue of eligibility is a tangle of interpretations and findings, Vattel’s info and various rulings, including Taitz, Berg and Apuzzo, not yet settled by the SCOTUS, who refuse to touch it.


24 posted on 01/25/2011 9:41:11 PM PST by charlie72
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: charlie72

Why does Congress do 90% of what they do? Beats the hell out of me.


25 posted on 01/25/2011 9:42:04 PM PST by pissant ((Bachmann 2012 - Freepmail to get on/off PING list))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: RobinMasters; All

Sounds like the same old Fraud-Con Liberal RINO warbling....that “Obama is just doing this to make conservatives look bad by showing the Birth Cert before the election”.

It is obvious that Barack Hussein Obama was not born in the USA. Its time to reveal the truth. And, its time for Liberal RINO politicians, and, Phoney Conservatives, to get with the Birthers, instead of attacking them. Lets get the truth out.

If you are not an Obama Birther....you will be an Obama Supporter


26 posted on 01/25/2011 9:42:17 PM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (NAFTA, WTO, UN, IMF, USAID, World Bank, are all Statist organizations)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pissant

IMO most congressmen are there to enrich themselves and know or care little about what most of us go through. Look at their perks and their salaries they set themselves.

I thought the March 12, 2008 closed session would scare some of them straight. Steny Hoyer told them about the currency collapse, etc. Who told him? Soros? The run on banks happened in Oct. 2008 conveniently before the election. Bush had Paulson make a plan back in March. TARP was ready for the $500 billion run. The IMF told the US back in 2007 to switch accounting methods from “hold to paid for, or a rise in value” to “mark to market” accounting in which something’s value was what it was immediately, at that moment. Soros had been chair of the IMF at one time. We are at the mercy of the money-changers more than we know, especially since Obama sold us to the Chinese.


27 posted on 01/25/2011 10:00:15 PM PST by charlie72
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: RobinMasters

Lots of people on the right thought George W Bush was just faking being a liberal and was going to one day do the head fake and go hard-core conservative and show how conservatives fix things.

Yeah, that was amusing, too.


28 posted on 01/25/2011 10:01:40 PM PST by MichiganConservative (Terrorists don't commit genocide. That's what governments do.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: charlie72

It’s been a nightmare for the last 4 years.


29 posted on 01/25/2011 10:06:18 PM PST by pissant ((Bachmann 2012 - Freepmail to get on/off PING list))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: charlie72

Dude, the congress has been owned by the banksters since at least 1913.

Everything congress has been doing has been to benefit their parasite masters at the expense of the taxpayer and citizen.


30 posted on 01/25/2011 10:08:52 PM PST by MichiganConservative (Terrorists don't commit genocide. That's what governments do.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: pissant

Very interesting as to McCain. Perhaps someone can weigh in on whether or not a person on official USA government duty anywhere in the world can claim ‘ home’ rights during that time and for the place of service.


31 posted on 01/25/2011 10:10:12 PM PST by noinfringers2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: pissant

Very interesting as to McCain. Perhaps someone can weigh in on whether or not a person on official USA government duty anywhere in the world can claim ‘ home’ rights during that time and for the place of service.


32 posted on 01/25/2011 10:10:25 PM PST by noinfringers2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: pissant

Yes, it has been a nightmare the past 4 years. I wish I could say it doesn’t phase me, but I lie awake at night wondering when the next crisis “happens.”

It is comforting to know that Summers, Axelrod, Emanuel, Van Jones, and Carol Brouner are leaving the WH, and we have regained the House. But Obama can veto any bill and his courts can stop investigations. I pray he will be slowed enough for our nation to survive and that the new reps will have the guts to stand up to him and his czars.

Thanks for hanging in there (here) all this time to keep the truth going forward.


33 posted on 01/25/2011 10:16:46 PM PST by charlie72
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: HappyWarrior2012
Let's see...ummm...Abercrombie, man smart enough to get elected to high office. Abercrombie has a meeting with one of his old best friends Clinton. They are having a few beers and he says “how about I make a big hoopla over the BC” how I know O personally and I am going to prove to his detractors he's legitimate. Then, ooops, oh boy, after a lot of big hoopla I can't produce. Should build a little fire to get things rolling. I think we’s got a plan.”
34 posted on 01/25/2011 10:23:25 PM PST by ladyL
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: 353FMG

THAT’S JUST IT!

Frank Marshall Davis is Barack Hussein Obama’s BIOLOGICAL father.

No other explanation makes sense legally or logically!


35 posted on 01/25/2011 10:23:57 PM PST by Don W
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: noinfringers2
Perhaps someone can weigh in on whether or not a person on official USA government duty anywhere in the world can claim ‘ home’ rights during that time and for the place of service.

Gov. George Romney was born in Mexico, while his parents -- both American citizens -- were doing missionary work.

There was no challenge to his eligibility when he ran for the Presidency in 1968.

36 posted on 01/25/2011 10:24:00 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: noinfringers2
Very interesting as to McCain. Perhaps someone can weigh in on whether or not a person on official USA government duty anywhere in the world can claim ‘ home’ rights during that time and for the place of service.

What matters is the parents. They can be on official US government business or they can be tourists. If the parents are Americans, so is the brat, and from birth, making him Natural Born.

Of course, the kid's NBC status comes from being a citizen by reason of birth, as opposed to immigration / naturalization. That has the inconvenient side effect of also including Zero, should he not be shown to have been born abroad to unqualified parents (not going to happen, Abercrombie notwithstanding).

Of course, some of the nuttier birthers are on the same side as Janet Napolitano when it comes to the military. They'd like to exclude from the highest office military brats born abroad.

37 posted on 01/25/2011 10:30:33 PM PST by cynwoody
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: noinfringers2

The Supreme Court would have to determine his Natural Born Citizen status. Citizen parents in service to their country— military, diplomat, etc. would be the only exceptions, IMO.

I would err on the side of caution until they require potential Presidential candidates to pass a stringent security clearance test.

Born on American soil to citizen parents.


38 posted on 01/25/2011 10:39:27 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (I'm armed and Amish.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: okie01

There should have been.


39 posted on 01/25/2011 10:40:57 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (I'm armed and Amish.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: RobinMasters

After-brithers have been using this “It’s a trap” canard for 3 years now. Anyone still grabbing the Obama/SRM propaganda sh!t covered baton is complete RETARD.


40 posted on 01/25/2011 10:44:04 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (I'm armed and Amish.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pissant

It’s been a nightmare since Reagan left office.


41 posted on 01/25/2011 10:45:32 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (I'm armed and Amish.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: Electric Graffiti

Now that you mention it.......


42 posted on 01/25/2011 10:47:20 PM PST by pissant ((Bachmann 2012 - Freepmail to get on/off PING list))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: cynwoody; pissant

Natural Born Citizen is an eligibility requirement to be President of the United States per the Constitution.

It is not now, nor has it ever been, a type of citizenship.

Three types of citizenship are recognized by our government: native born (born in the U.S.); citizen by statue (born outside U.S. with one or more parents a U.S.citizen); and naturalized citizen (foreign national naturalized as U.S.citizen).

The only place in our legal system where Natural Born Citizen appears is as an eligibility requirement in the U.S. Constitution for President of the United States. NBC is NOT a type of citizenship but an eligibility requirement only and no one has a right to be President.

Natural Born Citizen is mentioned in SCOTUS cases and has been described thus: a Natural Born Citizen is born in the U.S.A. to citizen parents (both parents are citizens).

This indicates that to be eligible for the Presidency one must be born within the United States and both parents are citizens.

Ronald Reagan was born in Illinois to parents who were both U.S. citizens. He was eligible to be President.

Native born citizen: Gov. Jindal was born in the U.S. but his parents were then citizens of India. He is not eligible for the Presidency.

Citizen by statute: Sen. John McCain was born in Panama to U.S. citizen parents. The Panama Canal Zone was leased by the U.S. Government for administrative purposes and was NEVER U.S. territory. He is not eligible for the Presidency.

(In order for Sen. McCain to be eligible, a change to the U.S.Constitution would be required. That is a lengthy process involving all the States.)

Naturalized citizen: Gov. Arnold Schwarznegger was an Austrian citizen who naturalized as an U.S. citizen. He is not eligible to be President.

I hope this clarifies things for you. People can be citizens but not automatically be eligible to be President.


43 posted on 01/25/2011 11:06:19 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: SatinDoll

Utter nonsense.


44 posted on 01/25/2011 11:07:19 PM PST by pissant ((Bachmann 2012 - Freepmail to get on/off PING list))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: pissant

Yeah, sure.

Wishing it wasn’t so won’t change it one bit.

USCIS: take a look at the third paragraph.

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=a2ec6811264a3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD&vgnextchannel=a2ec6811264a3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD


45 posted on 01/25/2011 11:11:30 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: Don W

“Frank Marshall Davis is Barack Hussein Obama’s BIOLOGICAL father.

No other explanation makes sense legally or logically!”

In that case, he IS a natural born citizen and has nothing to hide. Whatever his faults, he’s not responsible for his conception!

The only way his BC could cause him problems (and be worth spending millions to hide) is if it clearly and plainly reveals that he’s not eligible to be President. Therefore, that is what I believe to be the case. Nothing else makes sense.

Not to forget, also, all the earlier references by various people (including Obama himself when he tacitly admitted it when he said that he was running to Senator, not President) to the fact that he was not American born.


46 posted on 01/25/2011 11:11:50 PM PST by Nipfan (The desire to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it - H L Mencken)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: SatinDoll

I should have been more clear: The part about McCain is utter rubbish. Pure fantasy.


47 posted on 01/25/2011 11:12:46 PM PST by pissant ((Bachmann 2012 - Freepmail to get on/off PING list))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: pissant

McCain was born in the Republic of Panama.

The Navy Hospital would be built two years AFTER his birth but that doesn’t matter. Sen. John McCain is a citizen because his parents were citizens, but he was born outside the U.S.A. and is not a NBC.

So sorry, he isn’t eligible to be President.

And neither is Obama.


48 posted on 01/25/2011 11:17:35 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: SatinDoll

Good GOD. Do you know how many soldiers and diplomats have had kids in foreign countries. THEY ARE NBCs if their parents are US Citizens. It has been codified in our laws for a very, very, very long time. It doesn’t matter what you think about it.


49 posted on 01/25/2011 11:20:54 PM PST by pissant ((Bachmann 2012 - Freepmail to get on/off PING list))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]

To: SatinDoll
Jindal and McCain are both eligible. I might even consider voting for Jindal, especially if he wins the nomination.

BTW, Billy Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn are also fully eligible, having been born in the USA of citizen parents (only the first condition being relevant). Obviously much more American than Obama, McCain, or Jindal or Ahnold, by your estimation. Would you vote for either one?

50 posted on 01/25/2011 11:24:03 PM PST by cynwoody
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-86 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson