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Skip to comments.Breaking News & LIVE THREAD- Egypt and Middle East
Posted on 01/28/2011 9:14:48 AM PST by SE Mom
DEVELOPING: Loud explosions and gunfire were heard in the Egyptian capital of Cairo Friday, as protesters demanding the removal of President Hosni Mubarak defied a curfew, Al Jazeera reported. Egyptian television reports the ruling party headquarters in Cairo are on fire.
WashingtonPost: Clinton: We urge #Egypt authorities to allow peaceful protest, reverse unprecedented steps it has taken to cut off communications less than 20 seconds ago
I know, I know- it’s a hell of a thing isn’t it?
This is the art of foreign policy (who many would prefer we not have at all). To stick with a brutal dictator, because after all, he’s “our” brutal dictator...or to support the uprising that appears to come from “the people”?
Though your points are very well taken, I think we should remember what happened when we encouraged “democracy” for the Palestinians. The Muslim Brotherhood that’s behind these riots and demonstrations is not now or ever going to be an ally of ours. Do we REALLY want them in control of the Suez Canal?
I don’t know- but here’s an interesting fact: when the Iranians took to the streets for freedom, this administration stayed laregely silent. Today? They tell Mubarak to turn the internet back on.
From where I sit- whoever wins this struggle- the Egyptian people will be the losers- the MB will be more ruthless and brutal than the military that’s in power now.
Your emphasis on the Muslim Brotherhood is point on. We will soon see how successful the Brotherhood has been in infiltrating the military and particularly the Officer Corps.
In the real world, you are stuck with only two choices: the bad choice, or the 'even worse' choice. We took the bad choice.
Screw it. Let’s start firing the damned nukes.
Would you mind posting those twitter links you had earlier on one of the other threads?
Hey now, he'll release the birth certificate any day now...
thank you for having open eyes as it seems some on here have forgot who will take over and that is not good for us.
While the Govt is not good it is a damn sight better than the muslims brotherhood taking over and they will if these rioters win.
I can’t believe even on here some think this is good.
Has the biased disgusting media really that strong that even on here there are some who trust them.
“When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.”
Hunter S Thompson
Egypt is about to become big Gaza.
“”Lets hope this spreads througout the middle east.””
I did not see a ‘sarc’.
Apparently you are too young to have waited in line to fill your gas tank the last time there was unrest in the ME.
Curious the difference in Barry’s reaction. An uprising against an Islamist government? No support. A (fundamentally) Islamist uprising against a secular government? Support.
“this is hugh and about to become series”
big-time hugh and mega series.
indeed, we have a man in the white house telling the Govt’s to tone it down and yet he said nothing when Iran’s Govt was killing people
EEK silly me, in Iran it was about people wanting to get rid of a mad muslim Govt here we have people wanting a mad muslim Govt.
Obama it is obvious where you stand and it is not for the people who want to escape tyranny and mad muslim Govts.
I am stuck watching Airport TV aka CNN for next hours or so. CNN reporterettes are saying Mubarek was suppose to speak an hour ago. They keep asking why he is late. Um, I think he’s a bit busy right now.
CNN reporting Hilary Clinton has said what happens in Egypt will ultimately be determined by the Egyptians. Reporteretts looking for a clue as to what that means for a US response. FWIW I think it means Barry is voting present.
This is Iran part two. The Muslims will have their popular uprising, and immediately the radicals will take over.
The problem is Islam. It is impossible to have a secular government in the ME that is NOT a harsh dictatorship, because Islam - which is as much a political as a religious system - is always seeking to take it over.
And as for corruption...the Islamic dictatorships are about the most corrupt you can have.
Good LORD...think: Suez Canal?
This isn’t about who we like- it’s about the oil that still drives the economies of the globe.
Curfew is completely ineffective. Protester numbers have increased. Police vehicles being set on fire.
.Very concerned about violence in Egypt - government must respect the rights of the Egyptian people & turn on social networking and internet
half a minute ago via web
Obama will blow it as he did with the Iranian protestors. Basically, Obama and Biden don’t know what they are doing.
exactly and we have our president saying to the Govt tone it down but nothing when rioters want to escape a islamic tyranny.
Oi see the media yet again is trying to cover for their messiah on this now.
Excluding who is behind these riots and yet knowing full well we might now have another loon islamic Govt which is not good for Israel or us.
Egypt doesn’t have TEA Party, they have Bill, Ayres, Bernadine Dohrn and other Code Pink beauties stirring up trouble. Maybe we can find the remaining missing members of the Weather Underground, there.
OTOH there is this from 2008
“Sharm el-Sheikh, Egypt - In a speech at the opening of the World Economic Forum in the Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh, US President George W Bush preached to the Arab world about the benefits of democracy and universality of freedom.
In the speech, which sounded like an ode to freedom, Bush renewed his calls for more democratization and freedom in the Middle East.”
Maybe Obama should phone him for some advice.
Egypt is one of only two muslim countries that actually has a peace agreement with Israel. Mubarak has several times worked as a go between for Israel and the other arab states. The IDF is very, very nervous today.
Good plan, SE Mom. Thanks for the thread.
1. Al Arabiya breaking: Mubarak extends curfew to entire country#Egypt #Jan25 cc Clinton less than 5 seconds ago via web
2. German Chancellor Angela Merkel urges Mubarak to allow peaceful protests & demonstrations. Alarabiya/AlJazeera 3 minutes ago via web
3. @TeeJayIsBAF it’s the day the first protests started 4 minutes ago via web in reply to TeeJayIsBAF
4. Al Arabiya breaking: Kuwait Airlines suspends flights to Egypt #Jan25 5 minutes ago via web
5. Al Arabiya breaking: Protestors are demanding that the Egyptian Army back their cause. Chants of “We will go hand in hand” #Jan25 7 minutes ago via web
6. The ruling NDP thug-mafia controls 97% of the Egyptian parliament. That is worse than Ben Ali’s Tunisia. #Jan2
The Coptic Christians and other non Muslims will be persecuted, eradicated or expelled under the Muslim Brotherhood, and will be the recipients of a backlash from the rioters if indeed the MB is suppressed.
“Im always quick to point out that the Civil War was NOT popular and fought by only 30% of the population at the time.”
Hell, the American Revolution was much the same way: 1/3 supported it, 1/3 opposed it, and 1/3 straddled the fence and just wanted it all to leave them alone.
Egyptian TV are not showing the violence, etc. They are reporting the curfew, etc., but not showing scenes from the streets.
Well they did kill Sadat.
Sorry, I remember those days. We can increase our own gas and oil reserves to survive the same “74” embargo.
URGENT: Thousands of protesters try to storm Egypt’s foreign ministry and state TV buildings in Cairo as soldiers open fire on anti-government demonstrators who defy the mandatory curfew.
I’m shocked at what I’m seeing people here say, too. Either it’s a short memory problem, or a failure to learn the lessons that were so hard-earned in Iran.
“This isnt about who we like- its about the oil that still drives the economies of the globe.”
So the ships take another route. Sheesh, get a grip everyone. Even Islamist regimes are as hungry for money as the rest of us. The canal is in no longterm danger. If we are going to climb into bed with these types of people rather than take actions to get free of their resources, we have to be ready for disruptions from time to time.
Curfew has now been imposed on entire country. Mubarak still has not addressed the nation.
” If Mubarak leaves then we won’t have to support one of Israels enemies anymore.
Why does the USA support Egypt at all? “
What we’ve bought with our aid to Egypt has been an effective arms blockade of Hamas in Gaza.... And Mubarak’s one saving grace is that he’s an ‘honest politician - he stays bought’.....
As someone pointed out upthread, there’s ‘Bad’ (support of a Dictator) and ‘Worse’ (opening the pipeline for a flood of Iranian arms - and forces? - to Israel’s REAL enemies...)
You think that the muslim brotherhood is better tha this Govt, surely you’re joking?
We are looking at a new Govt which will close down the Suez, destabilize the area and this is really bad for the entire region.
“Hilary Clinton has said what happens in Egypt will ultimately be determined by the Egyptians”
I read that to mean, we are not going to get involved because we don’t know what to do, anyway
I wonder if Mubarak is packing up his gold
Here may be a chance to find out how good al Qaeda really is at community organizing
CNN talking heads discussing impending end of Mubarek rule and possible military rule, as in Turkey, as an interim step.
CNN showing protesters in front of Information Ministry. Small fires. People milling about. Some gun fire. Similar protests around Cairo.
Update: Egyptian police reportedly grabbed CNNs camera and beat the hell out of a BBC reporter. In Iran, however, the media is as pleased as can be by whats happening. The end of Mubarak means the end of the cold peace between Egypt and Israel in all likelihood, plus lots of new arms smuggled to Irans proxy in Gaza. Whats not to like?
Isn't it Zer0 that wants the 'kill switch' for exactly the same reason ??