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Breaking News & LIVE THREAD- Egypt and Middle East
Various on the internet | 28 January 2011

Posted on 01/28/2011 9:14:48 AM PST by SE Mom

From FOX:

DEVELOPING: Loud explosions and gunfire were heard in the Egyptian capital of Cairo Friday, as protesters demanding the removal of President Hosni Mubarak defied a curfew, Al Jazeera reported. Egyptian television reports the ruling party headquarters in Cairo are on fire.

From TWITTER:

WashingtonPost: Clinton: We urge #Egypt authorities to allow peaceful protest, reverse unprecedented steps it has taken to cut off communications less than 20 seconds ago


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To: Fishtalk

I know, I know- it’s a hell of a thing isn’t it?

This is the art of foreign policy (who many would prefer we not have at all). To stick with a brutal dictator, because after all, he’s “our” brutal dictator...or to support the uprising that appears to come from “the people”?

Though your points are very well taken, I think we should remember what happened when we encouraged “democracy” for the Palestinians. The Muslim Brotherhood that’s behind these riots and demonstrations is not now or ever going to be an ally of ours. Do we REALLY want them in control of the Suez Canal?

I don’t know- but here’s an interesting fact: when the Iranians took to the streets for freedom, this administration stayed laregely silent. Today? They tell Mubarak to turn the internet back on.

From where I sit- whoever wins this struggle- the Egyptian people will be the losers- the MB will be more ruthless and brutal than the military that’s in power now.


51 posted on 01/28/2011 9:31:16 AM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: driftdiver

Your emphasis on the Muslim Brotherhood is point on. We will soon see how successful the Brotherhood has been in infiltrating the military and particularly the Officer Corps.


52 posted on 01/28/2011 9:32:32 AM PST by JimSEA
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To: SE Mom
This is the art of foreign policy (who many would prefer we not have at all). To stick with a brutal dictator, because after all, he’s “our” brutal dictator...or to support the uprising that appears to come from “the people”?

In the real world, you are stuck with only two choices: the bad choice, or the 'even worse' choice. We took the bad choice.

53 posted on 01/28/2011 9:32:47 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: t-dude

Screw it. Let’s start firing the damned nukes.


54 posted on 01/28/2011 9:32:58 AM PST by Lazamataz (If Illegal Aliens are Undocumented Workers, then Thieves are Undocumented Shoppers.)
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To: HollyB

Would you mind posting those twitter links you had earlier on one of the other threads?

Thanks:)


55 posted on 01/28/2011 9:33:10 AM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Fishtalk
Who wants to spend their lives dominated by some a**hole whose credentials are what, exactly?

Hey now, he'll release the birth certificate any day now...

56 posted on 01/28/2011 9:33:21 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 738 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: MizSterious

thank you for having open eyes as it seems some on here have forgot who will take over and that is not good for us.
While the Govt is not good it is a damn sight better than the muslims brotherhood taking over and they will if these rioters win.

I can’t believe even on here some think this is good.

Has the biased disgusting media really that strong that even on here there are some who trust them.


57 posted on 01/28/2011 9:34:01 AM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: SE Mom
Military deployed on streets of Cairo as clashes continue
58 posted on 01/28/2011 9:34:17 AM PST by mewzilla (Hey, Schumer, your Lockerbie report left quite a bit out.)
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To: Lazamataz

“When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.”

Hunter S Thompson


59 posted on 01/28/2011 9:34:31 AM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory; and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: SE Mom

http://twitter.com/lars_akerhaug
http://twitter.com/#jan25
http://twitter.com/intelwire


60 posted on 01/28/2011 9:35:08 AM PST by HollyB
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To: manc

Egypt is about to become big Gaza.


61 posted on 01/28/2011 9:35:32 AM PST by screaminsunshine (Surfers Rule)
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To: Lessthantolerant

“”Let’s hope this spreads througout the middle east.””

I did not see a ‘sarc’.

Apparently you are too young to have waited in line to fill your gas tank the last time there was unrest in the ME.


62 posted on 01/28/2011 9:35:36 AM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: SE Mom

Curious the difference in Barry’s reaction. An uprising against an Islamist government? No support. A (fundamentally) Islamist uprising against a secular government? Support.


63 posted on 01/28/2011 9:35:39 AM PST by livius
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To: manc
Actually this is good for the USA.

If Mubarak leaves then we won't have to support one of Israels enemies anymore.

Why does the USA support Egypt at all? Mubarak is a thug. I would rather give them nothing.
64 posted on 01/28/2011 9:35:39 AM PST by Minus_The_Bear
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To: AdamBomb

“this is hugh and about to become series”

big-time hugh and mega series.


65 posted on 01/28/2011 9:35:50 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: livius

BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


66 posted on 01/28/2011 9:36:30 AM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: r9etb
It's like Deja Vu all over again.


67 posted on 01/28/2011 9:36:44 AM PST by McGruff (If you are catching alot of flak, you must be on target!)
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To: Elle Bee

indeed, we have a man in the white house telling the Govt’s to tone it down and yet he said nothing when Iran’s Govt was killing people

EEK silly me, in Iran it was about people wanting to get rid of a mad muslim Govt here we have people wanting a mad muslim Govt.

Obama it is obvious where you stand and it is not for the people who want to escape tyranny and mad muslim Govts.


68 posted on 01/28/2011 9:37:08 AM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: SE Mom

I am stuck watching Airport TV aka CNN for next hours or so. CNN reporterettes are saying Mubarek was suppose to speak an hour ago. They keep asking why he is late. Um, I think he’s a bit busy right now.

CNN reporting Hilary Clinton has said what happens in Egypt will ultimately be determined by the Egyptians. Reporteretts looking for a clue as to what that means for a US response. FWIW I think it means Barry is voting present.


69 posted on 01/28/2011 9:37:40 AM PST by Padams
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To: SE Mom

This is Iran part two. The Muslims will have their popular uprising, and immediately the radicals will take over.


70 posted on 01/28/2011 9:37:49 AM PST by pallis
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To: sunmars
When you support dictatorial regimes sooner or later the grip fails and the people revolt,

The problem is Islam. It is impossible to have a secular government in the ME that is NOT a harsh dictatorship, because Islam - which is as much a political as a religious system - is always seeking to take it over.

And as for corruption...the Islamic dictatorships are about the most corrupt you can have.

71 posted on 01/28/2011 9:38:23 AM PST by livius
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To: Minus_The_Bear

Good LORD...think: Suez Canal?

This isn’t about who we like- it’s about the oil that still drives the economies of the globe.


72 posted on 01/28/2011 9:38:44 AM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: SE Mom

alJz report

Curfew is completely ineffective. Protester numbers have increased. Police vehicles being set on fire.


73 posted on 01/28/2011 9:39:01 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: SE Mom

PressSec

.Very concerned about violence in Egypt - government must respect the rights of the Egyptian people & turn on social networking and internet
half a minute ago via web


74 posted on 01/28/2011 9:39:12 AM PST by kcvl
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To: rarestia

Obama will blow it as he did with the Iranian protestors. Basically, Obama and Biden don’t know what they are doing.


75 posted on 01/28/2011 9:39:12 AM PST by juliej
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To: driftdiver

exactly and we have our president saying to the Govt tone it down but nothing when rioters want to escape a islamic tyranny.

Oi see the media yet again is trying to cover for their messiah on this now.
Excluding who is behind these riots and yet knowing full well we might now have another loon islamic Govt which is not good for Israel or us.


76 posted on 01/28/2011 9:39:25 AM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: AdamBomb

Egypt doesn’t have TEA Party, they have Bill, Ayres, Bernadine Dohrn and other Code Pink beauties stirring up trouble. Maybe we can find the remaining missing members of the Weather Underground, there.


77 posted on 01/28/2011 9:39:32 AM PST by Eva
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To: r9etb
From UK - Just thought this might throw some light on how badly Obama misread this one. He apologized to Egypt for America when he went to Cairo for his talk to the Islamic world....

OTOH there is this from 2008

“Sharm el-Sheikh, Egypt - In a speech at the opening of the World Economic Forum in the Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh, US President George W Bush preached to the Arab world about the benefits of democracy and universality of freedom.

In the speech, which sounded like an ode to freedom, Bush renewed his calls for more democratization and freedom in the Middle East.”

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/middleeast/news/article_1406072.php/Bush_preaches_democracy_as_Egyptian_leader_snubs_call_Roundup

Maybe Obama should phone him for some advice.

78 posted on 01/28/2011 9:39:43 AM PST by vimto (To do the right thing you don't have to be intelligent - you have to be brave (Sasz))
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To: Minus_The_Bear
If Mubarak leaves then we won't have to support one of Israels enemies anymore.

Egypt is one of only two muslim countries that actually has a peace agreement with Israel. Mubarak has several times worked as a go between for Israel and the other arab states. The IDF is very, very nervous today.

79 posted on 01/28/2011 9:39:56 AM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: SE Mom

Good plan, SE Mom. Thanks for the thread.


80 posted on 01/28/2011 9:40:03 AM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star winner!)
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To: HollyB

http://twitter.com/search?q=%23jan25


81 posted on 01/28/2011 9:40:13 AM PST by HollyB
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To: kcvl

SultanAlQassemi

1. Al Arabiya breaking: Mubarak extends curfew to entire country#Egypt #Jan25 cc Clinton less than 5 seconds ago via web
2. German Chancellor Angela Merkel urges Mubarak to allow peaceful protests & demonstrations. Alarabiya/AlJazeera 3 minutes ago via web
3. @TeeJayIsBAF it’s the day the first protests started 4 minutes ago via web in reply to TeeJayIsBAF
4. Al Arabiya breaking: Kuwait Airlines suspends flights to Egypt #Jan25 5 minutes ago via web
5. Al Arabiya breaking: Protestors are demanding that the Egyptian Army back their cause. Chants of “We will go hand in hand” #Jan25 7 minutes ago via web
6. The ruling NDP thug-mafia controls 97% of the Egyptian parliament. That is worse than Ben Ali’s Tunisia. #Jan2


82 posted on 01/28/2011 9:40:57 AM PST by roses of sharon
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To: manc
This is all bad - no good outcome. This isn't a riot/rebellion for liberty, it is an uprising for the advancement of Islam and oppression. I hold no quarter for Mubarak - it is all varying shades of Islam.

The Coptic Christians and other non Muslims will be persecuted, eradicated or expelled under the Muslim Brotherhood, and will be the recipients of a backlash from the rioters if indeed the MB is suppressed.

83 posted on 01/28/2011 9:41:25 AM PST by Never on my watch (When Obama was born, the movie "The Manchurian Candidate" was in production. Coincidence?)
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To: rarestia

“I’m always quick to point out that the Civil War was NOT popular and fought by only 30% of the population at the time.”

Hell, the American Revolution was much the same way: 1/3 supported it, 1/3 opposed it, and 1/3 straddled the fence and just wanted it all to leave them alone.


84 posted on 01/28/2011 9:41:30 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: SE Mom

alJz report

Egyptian TV are not showing the violence, etc. They are reporting the curfew, etc., but not showing scenes from the streets.


85 posted on 01/28/2011 9:42:16 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: JimSEA

Well they did kill Sadat.


86 posted on 01/28/2011 9:42:16 AM PST by rahbert
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

Sorry, I remember those days. We can increase our own gas and oil reserves to survive the same “74” embargo.


87 posted on 01/28/2011 9:42:31 AM PST by Lessthantolerant (The State is diametrically opposed to our search for a better living.)
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To: All

URGENT: Thousands of protesters try to storm Egypt’s foreign ministry and state TV buildings in Cairo as soldiers open fire on anti-government demonstrators who defy the mandatory curfew.

http://www.foxnews.com/


88 posted on 01/28/2011 9:42:34 AM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: manc

I’m shocked at what I’m seeing people here say, too. Either it’s a short memory problem, or a failure to learn the lessons that were so hard-earned in Iran.


89 posted on 01/28/2011 9:42:34 AM PST by MizSterious ("Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -JFK)
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To: ZX12R
live video coverage
90 posted on 01/28/2011 9:42:56 AM PST by ZX12R
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To: SE Mom

“This isn’t about who we like- it’s about the oil that still drives the economies of the globe.”

So the ships take another route. Sheesh, get a grip everyone. Even Islamist regimes are as hungry for money as the rest of us. The canal is in no longterm danger. If we are going to climb into bed with these types of people rather than take actions to get free of their resources, we have to be ready for disruptions from time to time.


91 posted on 01/28/2011 9:43:04 AM PST by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: SE Mom

Curfew has now been imposed on entire country. Mubarak still has not addressed the nation.


92 posted on 01/28/2011 9:43:11 AM PST by melissa_in_ga (Welcome 2011 with a renewed spirit!)
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To: SE Mom

http://www.presstv.ir/live/llnw/

Live Feed.


93 posted on 01/28/2011 9:43:42 AM PST by roses of sharon
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To: Eva

Palin’s Fault


94 posted on 01/28/2011 9:43:58 AM PST by AdamBomb
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To: Minus_The_Bear

” If Mubarak leaves then we won’t have to support one of Israels enemies anymore.

Why does the USA support Egypt at all? “

What we’ve bought with our aid to Egypt has been an effective arms blockade of Hamas in Gaza.... And Mubarak’s one saving grace is that he’s an ‘honest politician - he stays bought’.....

As someone pointed out upthread, there’s ‘Bad’ (support of a Dictator) and ‘Worse’ (opening the pipeline for a flood of Iranian arms - and forces? - to Israel’s REAL enemies...)


95 posted on 01/28/2011 9:44:10 AM PST by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: Minus_The_Bear

HUH.
You think that the muslim brotherhood is better tha this Govt, surely you’re joking?

We are looking at a new Govt which will close down the Suez, destabilize the area and this is really bad for the entire region.


96 posted on 01/28/2011 9:44:50 AM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: Padams

“Hilary Clinton has said what happens in Egypt will ultimately be determined by the Egyptians”

I read that to mean, we are not going to get involved because we don’t know what to do, anyway

I wonder if Mubarak is packing up his gold

Here may be a chance to find out how good al Qaeda really is at community organizing


97 posted on 01/28/2011 9:45:13 AM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: Never on my watch

CNN talking heads discussing impending end of Mubarek rule and possible military rule, as in Turkey, as an interim step.

CNN showing protesters in front of Information Ministry. Small fires. People milling about. Some gun fire. Similar protests around Cairo.


98 posted on 01/28/2011 9:45:22 AM PST by Padams
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To: Uncle Ike

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/01/28/egypt-in-flames-ruling-partys-headquarters-burning-in-cairo-after-massive-protests/

Update: Egyptian police reportedly grabbed CNN’s camera and beat the hell out of a BBC reporter. In Iran, however, the media is as pleased as can be by what’s happening. The end of Mubarak means the end of the cold peace between Egypt and Israel in all likelihood, plus lots of new arms smuggled to Iran’s proxy in Gaza. What’s not to like?


99 posted on 01/28/2011 9:45:37 AM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: SE Mom
reverse unprecedented steps it has taken to cut off communications less than 20 seconds ago

Isn't it Zer0 that wants the 'kill switch' for exactly the same reason ??

100 posted on 01/28/2011 9:45:41 AM PST by Vinnie
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