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Enough, Chris Matthews. Stop Lying About Michele Bachmannís Iowa Speech
BigJournalism ^ | 1/28/2011 | Larry O'Conner

Posted on 01/28/2011 12:48:14 PM PST by GVnana

MSNBC’s Chris Matthews has gone on a three-day Bachmann-bashing binge over a speech she gave in Iowa last weekend. In the speech, Rep. Bachmann pointed out that the scourge of slavery was a horrible chapter in our country’s history, but we should give credit to our forebears who worked tirelessly to eradicate slavery. As an example, she offered up John Quincy Adams and his relentless efforts on behalf of the abolitionist movement. Here is an excerpt from her speech and Mr. Matthews’ obnoxious assault on her and his guest:

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bachmann; buffoon; chrismatthews; msnbc
Matthews jonesing for the Olberman seat?
1 posted on 01/28/2011 12:48:16 PM PST by GVnana
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To: GVnana

No, I think Chrissy Tingle secretly has the hots for Michelle Bachmann.

;-)


2 posted on 01/28/2011 12:50:52 PM PST by Emperor Palpatine (I'm shocked! Shocked to find out that gambling is going on in here!)
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To: GVnana
There are two inconsequential nobodies I wish we could learn to ignore. The other is Bill Maher.

They exist only because they outrage us - let em both go bark at the moon. Means nothin'.

3 posted on 01/28/2011 12:51:28 PM PST by skeeter
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To: GVnana

The tingle in his leg has now gone up his *ss.


4 posted on 01/28/2011 12:51:37 PM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: GVnana

They go after anyone who dares to dress down their weak leader. They can’t stand anyone - especially a woman - making obama look like the wimpy, inept leader that he is.


5 posted on 01/28/2011 12:53:49 PM PST by jersey117
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To: skeeter

Crissy is the “Howard Stern” of TV. His directives are to shock and agitate. No matter about the truth, just get people talking. I was in radio for 25 years. I can tell.


6 posted on 01/28/2011 12:54:45 PM PST by albie
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To: albie
Exactly. The day his crap is met with a dismissive chuckle instead of purple-faced apoplexy is the day he ceases broadcasting.
7 posted on 01/28/2011 1:00:18 PM PST by skeeter
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To: GVnana

I guess we never would have freed the slaves if Chrissie Matthews hadn’t taken charge!

Thank you, Chrissie, you deserve the Nobel Peace Prize for all your efforts on behalf of America’s slaves!

Uh, what’s that you say? Some kind of problem with the time line?


8 posted on 01/28/2011 1:00:53 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: jersey117

Chrissie still has not got over election night when Michelle Bachman made a complete a$$ out of him. He kept asking her if she was in a trance because he could not get her off message. Was really funny.


9 posted on 01/28/2011 1:02:04 PM PST by steve7
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To: Emperor Palpatine
No, I think Chrissy Tingle secretly has the hots for Michelle Bachmann.

I would be shocked to hear he actually swung that way.

Of course, if he did, it would have to be for a strong forceful one (who could kick his a** without breaking a sweat).

10 posted on 01/28/2011 1:03:41 PM PST by kevkrom (De-fund Obamacare in 2011, repeal in 2013!)
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To: steve7

Yes, I remember that... Michelle B. gave Crissy a good zinger about the tingly feeling up his leg... He’s been p-o’d ever since...


11 posted on 01/28/2011 1:07:10 PM PST by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: kevkrom

I am trying - without any success - to think of a woman who couldn’t kick his butt.


12 posted on 01/28/2011 1:11:50 PM PST by agere_contra (Historically every time the Left has 'expanded its moral imagination' the results have been horrific)
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To: GVnana; skeeter; Nachum; jersey117
I know I am in danger of lending credibility to Matthews and others by making a serious rebuttal to his rant, so please forgive me. However, slavery was a dying institution when the Constitution was ratified, mainly because of all the useless mouths the plantation owner had to take care for. That is right; slavery mandated cradle to grave welfare. For that reason “poor whites” of the South often viewed slavery with envy, because a minimum material security was guaranteed.

One unexamined fact, by him and others who are attracted to attacking our Founding Fathers, is that the cotton gin was invented after the Constitution was ratified. The passage where a slave is counted as 60% of a person is contradicted by everything else found in the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights. Slavery was doomed to extinction in 1788, (making the compromise much more reasonable) because the institution was not economically viable at the time. Eli Whitney made slavery pay and made cotton king.

Consider just two examples of how people rely upon premeditated ignorance of historic fact to denigrate George Washington and others. In Washington's case, he was ostracized by many other plantation owners for treating slaves as human beings, because he always tipped his hat before them and answered their greetings. He also refused to allow the typical plantation owner hospitality of inviting a male guest to review the young women in slave quarters to choose which one he would take to his quarters and rape that evening.

People like Matthews are wrong. George Washington did work tirelessly. Matthews and others demonstrate the comic book understanding of slavery now popular.

13 posted on 01/28/2011 1:13:31 PM PST by Retain Mike
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To: skeeter

I never understand why everyone on that damn show turns purple instead of laughing loudly. On the few occasions that it has happened (as when the beautious Ms. Bachmann asked him about his tingle) Matthews goes ballistic and makes more of a fool of himself than ever. And boy, does that creep hold a grudge.

Of course, I don’t understand why anyone goes on that show in the first place, lol!


14 posted on 01/28/2011 1:15:19 PM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: GVnana

Mr. Tingles has morphed into a caricature of himself. He’s like an over-the-top comic actor like the Ted Baxter newscaster in the old Mary Tyler Moore show or John Cleese (?) in Monty Python and Fawlty Towers. Clown, buffoon, carnival barker. . . . I guess that’s the ticket for Left Wing punditry success.


15 posted on 01/28/2011 1:21:03 PM PST by vekzen
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To: Retain Mike
In Washington's case, he was ostracized by many other plantation owners for treating slaves as human beings, because he always tipped his hat before them and answered their greetings.

I would like some documentation on this. I seriously doubt GW was ostracized by any other plantation owners, at least not after the war. He was far and away the most respected man in the country, and anyone showing him disrespect would have been himself ostracized, if not challenged by the multitude of Washington admirers and shot dead.

He also refused to allow the typical plantation owner hospitality of inviting a male guest to review the young women in slave quarters to choose which one he would take to his quarters and rape that evening.

While this no doubt happened, I doubt it was "typical" or openly practiced. Harriet Beecher Stowe, for instance, appears to have missed it.

You have something resembling evidence.

16 posted on 01/28/2011 1:21:13 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: vekzen

“A little song, a little dance..”


17 posted on 01/28/2011 1:22:26 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Retain Mike

BTW, you are correct that Washington worked tirelessly against slavery. However, the work he did was to be able to free his own slaves on his death, not to abolish slavery throughout the country or even Virginia.

Michelle used a poor choice of words.


18 posted on 01/28/2011 1:22:49 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Emperor Palpatine

I doubt it. Not after his remarks regarding Obama.


19 posted on 01/28/2011 1:23:48 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: pissant

Ping.


20 posted on 01/28/2011 1:27:26 PM PST by upchuck (When excerpting please use the entire 300 words we are allowed. No more one or two sentence posts!)
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To: upchuck

I’d be willing to be that despite Bachmann’s exaggeration of our founders’ intent, that she knows more about history than the entire MSNBC workforce combined.


21 posted on 01/28/2011 1:31:01 PM PST by pissant ((Bachmann 2012 - Freepmail to get on/off PING list))
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To: Retain Mike

“Slavery was doomed to extinction in 1788, (making the compromise much more reasonable) because the institution was not economically viable at the time.”

As Glenn Beck has pointed out, abolitionists of the time actually preferred that slaves be counted as 0 and the slave-owning states wanted them to count as 1. The purpose of the 3-5ths compromise was to ensure that the South did not have undue influence in the House of Representatives. It was to HASTEN the end of slavery. http://socyberty.com/issues/the-truth-about-the-three-fifths-compromise/

In short—even apart from what founders and forbearers might have done to contribute to slavery’s abolition in individual states after the Constitution was signe—the evidence is that at least some of those agreeing to the 3/5ths compromise did so motivated by the hope that this would accelerate the eradication of slavery. Compromising on this issue was far better than reaching no agreement at all (in which case an independent South might well have allied with England or again become a colony—either outcome of which might have perpetuated slavery indefinitely).


22 posted on 01/28/2011 1:31:37 PM PST by DrC
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To: GVnana

Has anyone NOT noticed the size of the cow head on this drooling, bloviating idiot?

Yet he has the temerity to call Michelle Bachman “Balloonhead”!


23 posted on 01/28/2011 1:32:45 PM PST by Iron Munro (Liberalism is nothing more than childlike emotionalism applied to adult issues.)
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To: Sherman Logan

I think this is in Flexner’s three volume history, but my copies are now in storage in the garage. Could also be in a book titled “The Slave Community”, which is also in storage now. Those two instances were so striking they have always stayed with me. True Washington was highly respected, but he also accumulated a lot of resentment from the aristocratic Southern ruling class. A clear example of that undercurrent of friction would be the 60% compromise that the delegates had to make.


24 posted on 01/28/2011 1:42:01 PM PST by Retain Mike
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To: pissant

Sounds like a safe bet to me :)


25 posted on 01/28/2011 1:48:27 PM PST by upchuck (When excerpting please use the entire 300 words we are allowed. No more one or two sentence posts!)
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To: DrC
(in which case an independent South might well have allied with England or again become a colony—either outcome of which might have perpetuated slavery indefinitely).

Not if it became a colony. Slavery was abolished throughout the British Empire, with (inadequate) compensation, in the 1830s.

26 posted on 01/28/2011 1:56:52 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

Washington, Jefferson and every other Founder who knew slavery was wrong, also knew what they COULD and COULD NOT accomplish in THAT day and time. Had they insisted on outlawing slavery right then, there would not have been a United States because the south would not have signed on. As it was, it took nearly 100 years of tweaking and nudging things in the right direction, as well as a god-awful war to finally make it a reality.

The Founders must have been prescient regarding the principle upon which Reinhold Niehubr would later base his writing: The Serenity Prayer. Here is an excerpt:

God, grant me the serenity To accept the things I cannot change; Courage to change the things I can; And wisdom to know the difference.


27 posted on 01/28/2011 2:22:07 PM PST by Tucker39 (Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:)
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To: agere_contra
I am trying - without any success - to think of a woman who couldn’t kick his butt.

Eleanor Roosevelt. She's dead.

28 posted on 01/28/2011 3:08:26 PM PST by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: Retain Mike
For that reason “poor whites” of the South often viewed slavery with envy, because a minimum material security was guaranteed.

A dubious proposition; quotes would help here.

For one thing, most of the South's "poor whites" were themselves time-expired indentured servants who could have readily indentured themselves again if they liked bondage so well. In fact, most of them either died during their terms of service, returned to Europe at the end of their service, or became public charges -- charity cases -- their best years having been spent (and their bodies too, very likely) in grinding physical labor.

Most of the Southern colonies put their indentured servants to work as field hands; worst of all was labor at clearing new land, which slaves were spared. The masters worked them furiously to get as much work out of them as they could before their time was up (typically 3-4 years, sometimes up to 7 years), balancing that against only the need to keep them alive. Chattel slaves were treated better, but only because they were assets for life.

The redemptioners who paid for their passage with service had easier voyages and shorter terms of bondage (as little as a year, with 2-4 years max typical). They and their children, after they'd served their time, were the sturdy agriculturalists who peopled Jacksonian America and presented the European visitor with a prosperity and fruitfulness no less appealing than any found anywhere in Europe -- and this by the testimony of an English gentleman.

Thus historian Richard Hofstadter, in America at 1750.

29 posted on 01/28/2011 3:28:08 PM PST by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: lentulusgracchus

I’ll take Eleanor and the points.


30 posted on 01/28/2011 3:32:42 PM PST by kevkrom (De-fund Obamacare in 2011, repeal in 2013!)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Further to my last:

Hofstadter cites from other sources the dismal statistic, that only two in ten indentured servants "made it" in the New World. The other eight failed, died, or disappeared.

The ratio seems to have been nearly reversed for the shorter-time redemptioners, so many of whom went on to become successful.

The ranks of indentured servitude did produce a number of successful men, including leaders of Massachusetts and New Hampshire, in the Revolutionary and post-Revolutionary periods, some of whom had easier duties because they possessed, at the time of their importation, talent or trade skills. No such examples, however, are cited for the colonies south of Virginia. Outside New England, the labor for indentured bondmen was just too severe, apparently.

31 posted on 01/28/2011 3:44:01 PM PST by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: Sherman Logan

“Slavery was abolished throughout the British Empire”

That’s Monday-morning quarterbacking. Hard to argue that the Framers knew this would happen more than 4 decades into the future. I think the Framers figured out that “united we stand, divided we fall.” The South was far more simpatico with England than the north, so if any alliance was made between England and North U.S. or South U.S., it would have been South U.S. etc.

In that regard, it would have been a historical irony if in a counterfactual world the South had become part of Great Britain and found itself forced to abandon slavery 35 years before the end of the U.S. Civil War. Of course, had England tried to force the South to do this, the Civil War instead would have been a war of the South against England, with the North perhaps allying with England to achieve this objective. Who knows?


32 posted on 01/28/2011 3:49:02 PM PST by DrC
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To: lentulusgracchus

A better statement would be to say they looked on slavery with envy for the material security it offered, but from the safe distance of personal freedom. In the statements I remember reading there was never a hint that these people rationally thought through the trade off that would be involved.

In our time nearly half the population is willing to accept the current healthcare reform without internalizing they are making a significant tradeoff of freedoms. The reasoning process seems consistent.


33 posted on 01/28/2011 4:16:01 PM PST by Retain Mike
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To: GVnana

Matthews’ role as the fountainhead for the Left puts forth his daily screed of insults as if it were their daily bread. He would fail in his purpose, if he didn’t quench their appetite for the defamation of the Right. Of course such a role is easy money for Matthews. It is an easy thing to fill ignorant minds with pap; especially those who live in a fantasy world on an unicorn farm.


34 posted on 01/28/2011 4:33:20 PM PST by jonrick46 (We're being water boarded with the sewage of Fabian Socialism.)
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To: Retain Mike
In our time nearly half the population is willing to accept the current healthcare reform without internalizing they are making a significant tradeoff of freedoms.

They did it during the civil rights movement era, so why not? Blacks settled for half a loaf, and were pleased that the statists and Socialists took half a loaf away from the whites.

Our statists have been doing a land-office business with people like that.

35 posted on 01/29/2011 2:55:15 AM PST by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: lentulusgracchus
How sadly true.
36 posted on 01/29/2011 9:36:11 AM PST by Retain Mike
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