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WikiLeaks: Britain secretly advised Libya how to secure release of Lockerbie bomber
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Posted on 01/31/2011 3:16:23 PM PST by sunmars

Ministers secretly advised Muammar Gaddafi’s Libyan regime how to secure the successful early release of the Lockerbie bomber, documents obtained by The Daily Telegraph have disclosed.

A Foreign Office minister sent Libyan officials detailed legal advice on how to use Abdelbaset al-Megrahi’s cancer diagnosis to ensure he was released from a Scottish prison on compassionate grounds.

The Duke of York is also said to have played a behind-the-scenes role in encouraging the terrorist’s release.

The Libyans closely followed the advice which led to the controversial release of Megrahi – who was convicted of the murder of 270 passengers on Pan Am Flight 103 – within months of the Foreign Office’s secret intervention.

The disclosure seriously undermines British Government claims that is was not complicit in the release of al-Megrahi, and that the decision to free the convicted terrorist was taken by the Scottish Executive alone.

It will also lead to renewed pressure from senior American politicians on David Cameron to release all internal documents detailing Britain’s role in the scandal. Last summer, the Prime Minister pledged to release the relevant information – but the publication has yet to occur sparking fears that a cover-up may have been ordered.

The Daily Telegraph today publishes more than 480 American documents detailing international relations with the Libyan regime over the past three years.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: almegrahi; assange; britishpetroleum; libya; lockerbie; megrahi; wikileaks
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To: ScreamingFist

You jumped in calling me names from the start. Maybe you can tell me where you think i’m wrong to be offended that England diligently helped him get released.

What’s your position troll? That England did right? That secrecy must be sacrosanct no matter HOW badly they worked against our interests? That secrets are secrets no matter how badly they are working to harm America? Enlighten us.

Are you also angry we now know that the US govt was strong-arming nations into passing “Copenhagen”?

No need for name calling,,Prick. Maybe you are troll,, government types like to post to direct the company line too, que no?


51 posted on 01/31/2011 6:14:02 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DesertRhino
I want to hear from those who think getting this information out is bad.

New ambassador is being assigned on short notice to a major allied nation in a global hotspot. Outgoing ambassador needs to send new ambassador a top secret cable about the Prime Minister of that country and how they absolutely know he's a drunk who has hookers coming and going all the time and he's always boasting about how much he knows. He tells things to the hookers and his other pals. New ambassador needs to be told to pretend to share secret stuff with him but really don't tell him anything of value. ..... You want that released?

52 posted on 01/31/2011 6:18:21 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (If every person were like Sarah Palin, this world would be a peaceful, beautiful world to live in.)
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To: DesertRhino
That England did right? That secrecy must be sacrosanct no matter HOW badly they worked against our interests? That secrets are secrets no matter how badly they are working to harm America? Enlighten us. Are you also angry we now know that the US govt was strong-arming nations into passing “Copenhagen”?

Here's another clue, moral crusader, wikileaks is a tool. They could have been burned off the web instantly......duh. Your arrogance is only surpassed by your ignorance......crusade elsewhere.....troll.

53 posted on 01/31/2011 6:22:49 PM PST by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: ScreamingFist

Sorry troll,, it’s called sarcasm. I was making fun of your post that every single thing we see is what they want us to see. You give them way too much credit and sound like the Alex Jones crowd.

They truth is that they released him in a deeply treacherous manner to appease muslims in the UK, and for oil deals,,,and they got found out by someone distasteful low life. The fact that Assange IS a low life doesn’t make what England did righteous, or worthy of government secrecy.

It apparently offends you for citizens to think the government should not be doing such things simply because the have a rubber stamp that says “secret”. Do you think you can the argue facts, or advance a position without the childish name calling??


54 posted on 01/31/2011 6:23:41 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: volunbeer

Careful,, you’ll get called a troll!


55 posted on 01/31/2011 6:24:47 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: ScreamingFist

“They could have been burned off the web instantly......duh”

LOL,,, sure it could have! Thats why we don’t have hackers, or spam, or viruses! Of course, you probably think the government controls all of those too. :)


56 posted on 01/31/2011 6:30:25 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: marron

Asange is pro truth.He is a hero to conservatives!! No one here disbelieves this huge headline story of the complicity of the British attempt to placate these moslem killers with this PARDON. That sucks so bad I want to puke.


57 posted on 01/31/2011 6:30:33 PM PST by Benchim
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To: DesertRhino
They truth is that they released him in a deeply treacherous manner to appease muslims in the UK, and for oil deals,,,and they got found out by someone distasteful low life. The fact that Assange IS a low life doesn’t make what England did righteous, or worthy of government secrecy.

? WTF are you babbling about? I've dealt with many a loon on FR before, but you can't be for and against in one session.....normally. Put down the crack pipe and step away from the keyboard.

58 posted on 01/31/2011 6:32:07 PM PST by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: Benchim

Nope, Assange is not a hero, not even. But has england denied this? Have the emails been disavowed or proven untrue, as in the “Rather and Bush” memo fraud?

If the leak is true,, then England sucks and is no friend of freedom loving people. (the same as Assange)

Assange will not be a “hero” until he releases something negative about Obama. I feel pretty sure the rest of the world is laughing at his weakness. So far, im unaware of a single negative word about “the one”.


59 posted on 01/31/2011 6:36:58 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Benchim
Asange is pro truth.He is a hero to conservatives!!

Asange is a fag that no conservative would touch with a 10 foot poll......try your BS elsewhere noob.....

60 posted on 01/31/2011 6:37:16 PM PST by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: DesertRhino

It wasn’t happy hour when I wrote that but boy it is now.

I’m just as pissed at the Brits as you are and don’t get me started about the White House, etc.... I’m just trying to make the point that there has to be a certain level of secrecy to international relations.

If they’re is to be no penalty for revealing or transmitting secret information than there is no limit to what can be revealed. You can’t cherry pick.

Obama has been happy to allow the leaks that serve his leftist agenda to cut and run in the war on terror. Myself, I’d like to see every last radical muslim burned in hellfire. I don’t think these leaks are advancing that.


61 posted on 01/31/2011 6:41:36 PM PST by keat
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To: ScreamingFist

Why is this so complicated for you?

You appear to be both rude, and dense. I have never admired Assange personally here. But some of us can be intelligent enough to discern the difference between seeing Asange as a “hero”, and thinking governments are using secrecy mostly for the good cause.

Anyway, you are apparently incapable of polite debate. I notice you still have said nothing to advance your cause. You only screech and call people names. You need to quit being so naive in your blind love of secrecy. *(and this does not mean you have to be an Assange fan)

Lighten up Francis.


62 posted on 01/31/2011 6:44:37 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: ScreamingFist

Are you crazed? He was on your side!!!! LOL


63 posted on 01/31/2011 6:46:04 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: ScreamingFist

Are you crazed? He was on your side!!!! LOL


64 posted on 01/31/2011 6:46:09 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: keat

Ok, i agree with you. That post i can agree with 100%.

It is a difficult question. If secrecy is absolute, it seems to be widely abused. Yet, it is sometimes crucial.
I guess it comes down to trust in government, and in governments being radical in their sticking to working on our behalf.

I personally am coming to belive than we probably use more secrecy to cover corruption such as Copenhagen,, global warming, etc, than we do for legitimate reasons.

And also, military secrecy,,,,Yes, ill go sacrosanct there. Diplomatic,, less so. They have an extremely poor track record of working FOR America. They bear very close watching.


65 posted on 01/31/2011 6:52:39 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DesertRhino
Asange is pro truth.He is a hero to conservatives!! No one here disbelieves this huge headline story of the complicity of the British attempt to placate these moslem killers with this PARDON. That sucks so bad I want to puke.

Are you crazed? He was on your side!!!! LOL

No stupid, he is not on my "side", he's your pimply faced roommate. Try again......

66 posted on 01/31/2011 6:57:00 PM PST by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: DesertRhino

OK, DR. Looking through your posts I can see you are rightfully enraged at the British weasels who sold out the Lockerbie victims, many of whom where their own citizens. And the current US administration was clearly complicit in this nasty deal.

I couldn’t agree more and am glad the info is out.

I just can’t agree with the method and I think the worst is yet to come.

By the way, by some strange coincidence, I broke a crown while I was reading your second to last post. I’ll be thinking of you while I’m in the dentist’s chair.


67 posted on 01/31/2011 7:03:46 PM PST by keat
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To: mewzilla
So what did our admin do to aid and abet?

If our "administration" was involved, I can't help but think George Soros was involved as well. Where there's big money to be had, he's never far away.

68 posted on 01/31/2011 7:09:40 PM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: sunmars

Keep repeating:

1. TWA800 crashed because of a spontaneous center fuel tank explosion.

2. OkBomb was executed completely by 2 army buddies —there were no Middle East sponsors.


69 posted on 01/31/2011 7:19:42 PM PST by gaijin
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To: keat

‘We like the leaks that serve our cause.”

As Rush said, where’s the leaks showing WMD’s in Iraq, and their moving to Libya, etc. etc. etc....


70 posted on 01/31/2011 7:50:23 PM PST by Rennes Templar ( Reagan: " When I was young we were poor, but the gov't didn't have to tell us we were poor")
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To: sunmars
Julian—you are the man...of the century!

You have confirmed my worst suspicions—that the so called “west” is totally bankrupt financially but more significantly morally. It has become a cesspit of vileness and illusion.

We are -ladies and gentlemen- subservient to the beasts of the world.

71 posted on 01/31/2011 8:04:14 PM PST by eleni121 (MY HERO GREGORY THE V - a living saint hanged and dragged by the ungodly muslims and their allies)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

UK has been on our side even in Iraq. Blair is essentially on trial as a ‘war criminal’ because of that, so I’ll give UK the benefit of doubt until I know more.


72 posted on 01/31/2011 8:06:57 PM PST by mewykwistmas ("Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where there is no river. ")
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To: sunmars

“That is so corrupt!” (Meadow Soprano)


73 posted on 01/31/2011 8:19:41 PM PST by rahbert
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To: DesertRhino

From my POV, Assange should be executed IF any of those Afghans named and listed in his “released” files are murdered for aiding us. Let’s face it, there is little in these ‘revelations’ that we didn’t already know or suspect-What troubles me is that some seem to think these tidbits of info are potentially worth peoples lives.


74 posted on 01/31/2011 9:02:44 PM PST by Amberdawn
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To: sunmars
Assange is the new Miltiades. We want to kill him. But we want him to save us by revealing the traitors amongst us. Oh what to do? Kill him? Revere him? Kill him? Revere him? Call Telemachus and let him decide!
75 posted on 01/31/2011 9:38:18 PM PST by Tea Party Reveler
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To: sunmars

Tip 1:

Wait for Dem controlled WH.

Same tip used In Iran, Turkey and Egypt.


76 posted on 01/31/2011 10:00:53 PM PST by NoLibZone (Five time DNC backed candidate Fred Phelps: "God sent the shooter".)
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To: StarFan; Dutchy; alisasny; BobFromNJ; BUNNY2003; Cacique; Clemenza; Coleus; cyborg; DKNY; ...
Wow. Here's an excerpt:

Ministers secretly advised Muammar Gaddafi’s Libyan regime how to secure the successful early release of the Lockerbie bomber, documents obtained by The Daily Telegraph have disclosed.

A Foreign Office minister sent Libyan officials detailed legal advice on how to use Abdelbaset al-Megrahi’s cancer diagnosis to ensure he was released from a Scottish prison on compassionate grounds...

77 posted on 01/31/2011 10:30:41 PM PST by nutmeg (The 111th Congress: Worst. Congress. Ever.)
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To: nutmeg

Thanks, nutmeg!

IIRC, Obama approved.

I know that if I’m not remembering it right, someone will correct me.


78 posted on 01/31/2011 11:32:16 PM PST by dixiechick2000 ("First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." - Gandhi)
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To: miss marmelstein
Not really. All that your experiences prove is that there is a great deal of duplicity and self-serving in the New Labour movement, which shouldn't really surprise anyone. As for the peaceniks...they are the same the world over. British ones are no different from American ones. After all, your peaceniks think the CIA planned and implemented 9/11 so that the US could invade Iraq for oil (none of which has yet to reach the US, but never mind about that).

It's not the US vs Britain. Its conservatives in the US and Britain vs "progressives" in the US and Britain. Don't let them split you off from us by trying to say otherwise.

79 posted on 02/01/2011 2:44:46 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: MichiganConservative

Yes ok, but the problem is that these leaks are SELECTIVE. Truth has to be interpreted, but how can you do that when you only have one lot of documents? So, for example, Wikileaks releases a document from Hilary Clinton advising US diplomats to spy on other nations at the UN. Everyone goes “oooh...naughty rights-trampling Americans!” But, for all we know, the diplomats might have sent messages back (that wikileaks doesn’t have) saying “No can do, Hitlery. That’s illegal”. You might think that’s unlikely, but it could have happened. We don’t know. More likely, EVERY government instructs its representatives to do some dirty dealing at the UN, but because the US is the only one Wikileaks has named, they are the only ones who get the mud thrown at them.


80 posted on 02/01/2011 2:59:18 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: sunmars
It was a British prime minister, Lord Palmerston, who said 1n Parliament in 1848:

... it is a narrow policy to suppose that this country or that is to be marked out as the eternal ally or the perpetual enemy of England. We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow.
There is a good reason why people once spoke of perfidious Albion.
81 posted on 02/01/2011 3:44:24 AM PST by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Persae Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: Vanders9

So I’m supposed to give Hillary Clinton the benefit of the doubt?

Look, I’m for exposing all the evil all the governments are doing.

Our press is not doing their job, so we have to rely on people like Assange and his organization to publish what they do have.

The UK is the subject of this very post, so the US is not the only one they target. These guys also released some information about an African potentate a couple years ago. It caused a big controversy and may have swung an election.

We need more WikiLeaks type sites.


82 posted on 02/01/2011 3:53:27 AM PST by MichiganConservative (Terrorists don't commit genocide. That's what governments do.)
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To: Vanders9

I’ve been traveling to and living in Great Britain for over 30 years. I can assure you that the Brits - particularly the educated classes of England - do not like or understand America. In fact, most of them are completely unaware of our history. I just had a Cambridge friend ask me who “John Adams was?” He had stumbled upon the television series. And if you think the Conservative Party of Great Britain is anything like American conservative movement - you’ve gotta get out more.


83 posted on 02/01/2011 4:30:22 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: Wallop the Cat

In a perfect world, complete transparency in government would be a good thing.

But in a world where where WMD exist, and illiberal leaders rule illiberal people with designs on world conquest - secrets need to be kept.

One-way street transparency is a dangerous thing that has been and will continue to be used against us...


84 posted on 02/01/2011 5:03:02 AM PST by StatenIsland (If we insist that 99 1/2 wonÂ’t do, gotta have a hundred, we will again wind up with zero.)
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To: sunmars

BTTT.


85 posted on 02/01/2011 5:22:35 AM PST by mewzilla (Hey, Schumer, your Lockerbie report left quite a bit out.)
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To: MichiganConservative
No I'm not saying that at all. Hillary Clinton doesn't come well out of this whichever way you look at it.

What I am saying is that because the information is selective (because they don't have access to all of it), the impression that is given is also selective. What has been uncovered may be true, but it ends up disguising other truths.

86 posted on 02/01/2011 6:42:33 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: CatoRenasci

And this policy is different from that of every other nation in exactly what way?


87 posted on 02/01/2011 6:46:15 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: miss marmelstein
I have been living in Britain for nearly fifty years and, in all humility, I think I can say I know a good deal more about what Brits think of Americans. Judging by some of the comments I read on these boards Americans like and understand Britain on much the same kind of level.

I wasn't talking about THE Conservative Party. I said conservatives (small C) in both countries are opposed by "progressives" in both countries.

88 posted on 02/01/2011 6:52:56 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: Vanders9
I'm not suggesting it does differ (significantly), only that those who put too much stock in the special relationship between the US and Britain (on our side or theirs) should keep this in mind. The reason there is a special relationship as far as it goes is that more often than not, our permanent interests have been congruent, not identical.
89 posted on 02/01/2011 6:56:53 AM PST by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Persae Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: CatoRenasci

Absolutely, although I would add the caveat that shared language, history and a mutual dominant cultural inheritence do matter more than a little. Other than that, the relationship is only special because both sides strive to keep it that way. My only personal reading is that it has cooled considerably in the last couple of years, and I’m afraid the start was Obama’s assorted snubs (returning Churchill’s bust, handing crappy presents to Gordon Brown and the Queen, foisting Guantanamo prisoners on Bermuda without so much as a by your leave, and most tellingly, sucking up to the French). The Brits have retaliated with snubs of their own (no invite to M&O for the Royal wedding for example, and pointedly courting India as a new “special friend”). This is not a good trend. The UK may not be America’s closest ally, or its most important, but it is certainly the most important (and powerful) of its close allies.


90 posted on 02/01/2011 7:11:08 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: sunmars

Love how our corrupt biased media does not mention the fact bozo the clown and his admin knew about this all along.

I HATE OUR SO CALLED MEDIA


91 posted on 02/01/2011 8:11:48 AM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: Dacula

EXACTLY
Our corrupt media ignores how obama their messiah was told of this before hand and that he never did object to the release infact they did nothing.

Seems the so called media is trying to destroy our allies while making new allies like the muslim brotherhood .

Obama has now got google their hacks to set up social media in Egypt which then helps the muslim brotherhood , which begs the question what exactly did obama and his admin really get up to in that speech over there now

what is up is now down

IF YOU IN THE SO CALLED MEDIA WANT TO REPORT THEN REPORT THE TRUE FACTS AND ALL OF THEM , SO STOP PROTECTING YOUR MESSIAH


92 posted on 02/01/2011 8:15:17 AM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: Vanders9
Quite so. I would argue - consistently with you, I suspect - that our shared language, history, and cultural inheritance are aspects of the frequent and abiding congruence of American and British permanent interests. And, I agree that such congruence (which both sides should understand is never identity, and should not be expected to be) requires attention and fostering by both sides.

I would point out that in this particular case, it was the UK which perfidiously (from the American point of view) conspired with the Libyans directly contrary to what the British government must know was a point of great sensitivity to American opinion.

From my perspective, that suggests the Blair government intended it as a snub to the US for some reason, and that it was more than simply placing a permanent interest ahead of hits alliance with the United States. You cannot imagine the level of ill-will that generated here. I'm usually a strong Anglophile, but I thought that was very bad form.

No question that relations are deteriorating under the Kenyan (regardless of the birth question, on which I express no opinion, he is of recent colonial heritage) who clearly resents and dislike the British, perhaps for the way his father was treated.

93 posted on 02/01/2011 8:51:10 AM PST by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Persae Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: Benchim
Asange is pro truth.He is a hero to conservatives!!

Speak for yourself. Stretch his neck as far apart as east from west is what I say.

94 posted on 02/01/2011 9:15:19 AM PST by LowOiL ("Abomination" sure sounds like "ObamaNation" to me.)
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To: marron

It is showing everyone just how corrupt everything has become.


95 posted on 02/01/2011 12:04:19 PM PST by stockpirate (Hey congress, it's our government and our money, DO NOT RAISE THE DEBT LIMIT!)
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To: Vanders9

I stand by my own experiences. Why don’t you create a profile for yourself? I notice more and more people are not doing that.


96 posted on 02/01/2011 12:08:08 PM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: LowOiL

Why ? Because he exposed your government for what it actually is? Is anything not truth? Tell me what is not truth? Do you like truth?


97 posted on 02/01/2011 6:40:22 PM PST by Benchim
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To: Benchim
Why ? Because he exposed your government for what it actually is? Is anything not truth? Tell me what is not truth? Do you like truth?

First off, I am not English so "your government" does not apply.

Stealing is a sin truth most that claim to be Christian understand, Posting private property not released to you is stealing and treason. Yes, this time England is shed in a dark light, but that is irrelevant.

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Romans 3:8 (King James Version)

And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.

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You can ignore the stealing if you want. I will not. Have a good day sir.

98 posted on 02/01/2011 7:27:54 PM PST by LowOiL ("Abomination" sure sounds like "ObamaNation" to me.)
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To: LowOiL

Are we forgiven of our sins?


99 posted on 02/01/2011 7:37:22 PM PST by Benchim
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To: sunmars

This really saddens me. But, hey, they did it on obastard’s watch after he insulted them.


100 posted on 02/02/2011 12:04:55 AM PST by ratsreek
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