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Posted on 02/01/2011 2:07:06 PM PST by AZ .44 MAG

Should all gun sales be subject to a background check? Yes, No, Undecided

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To: tallyhoe

Please reread my post.

:)


51 posted on 02/01/2011 2:45:49 PM PST by MindBender26 (Fighting the "con" in Conservatism on FR since 1998.)
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To: silentreignofheroes

Under long-standing English law, there has been the concept of “Persons of Virtue” (well, it used to be that way in Merry Olde England). As I recall, Malcolm and others (Holbrooke? sp?) have described this. There are clearly individuals who should not have the LEGAL ability to have a gun (felons, small children, insane people...). Of course, the main problem is that the criminals will not obey that any more than they would obey any other law.

How do you define “insane”? It should be fairly obvious, but when we have groups like AMA, the American Psychiatric Association etc coming close to categorizing those of us who own guns as somehow “not right in the head”, I’m not so sure any more.

In the end, I as a Florida CCW holder (I live in Miami) would rather be able to exercise my right to self defense. I have the utmost respect for most of our police, but it is still true that:

“When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.”


52 posted on 02/01/2011 2:46:21 PM PST by Sigurdrifta
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To: TheOldLady

As always, your re-wording of the poll is better than the original!


53 posted on 02/01/2011 2:47:05 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: AZ .44 MAG

Yes
40%

No
58%

Undecided
2%


54 posted on 02/01/2011 2:48:50 PM PST by Gator113 (I'm voting for Sarah Palin, Liberty, our Constitution and American Exceptionalism.)
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To: dynachrome

Oh, I’m glad you saw it. I noticed that I forgot to ping you just as I hit “Post.” :-)


55 posted on 02/01/2011 2:49:15 PM PST by TheOldLady ("20 Years Ago Desert Storm began...where were you...?" "I believe I was hitting it." - Lazamataz)
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To: Responsibility2nd; Jack Hydrazine; AZ .44 MAG; supercat; driftdiver; Vaquero; Joe Boucher; ...
OK!
 
ALL RIGHT!
 
SO I DIDN'T READ THE ARTICLE. JUST SKIMMED AND POSTED WITH A DISENGAGED BRAIN.
 
So go ahead and shoot me. (With an unlicensed gun.)


56 posted on 02/01/2011 2:54:49 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: TheOldLady; dynachrome
As always, your re-wording of the poll is better than the original!

What he said!

57 posted on 02/01/2011 2:56:35 PM PST by AZ .44 MAG (Repeal Obama)
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To: AZ .44 MAG

NO
Should all gun sales be subject to a background check?
YesNoUndecided
Thank you for participating in our poll. Here are the results so far:

Yes 37%
No 61%
Undecided 2%


58 posted on 02/01/2011 3:00:27 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ((B.?) Hussein (Obama?Soetoro?Dunham?) Change America Will Die From.)
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To: Sigurdrifta

Here in Covington County the the police are at least 1/2 hr out where we live.On our app. most folks were puttin’ varmit huntin’ for a reason it seems.When I went to get mine the lady just told me flat out to put Self Preservation on it.Thought that was funny.Would figure 90% of the folks here carry something.It’s now the end of hunting season so some deals can be had.People here sell over the local radio station.

http://waao.com/

party line


59 posted on 02/01/2011 3:02:59 PM PST by silentreignofheroes
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To: Bridge_toofar
Since my background is flawless, I voted yes.

Right. Commie care is currently still mandatory, kicks in soon and dodging it can be a Felony.

See ya...

.

60 posted on 02/01/2011 3:04:05 PM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Responsibility2nd
So go ahead and shoot me. (With an unlicensed gun.)


61 posted on 02/01/2011 3:04:22 PM PST by AZ .44 MAG (Repeal Obama)
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To: silentreignofheroes

Well, we live within about three miles of downtown Miami, but the police are still about 1/2 hour out from where we live.

Gave my son (USAF Major, fighter pilot) one as a gift when he was in the state.

Does that count as a “sale”?


62 posted on 02/01/2011 3:13:16 PM PST by Sigurdrifta
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To: Sigurdrifta

A good Gift from Dad to Son.


63 posted on 02/01/2011 3:18:29 PM PST by silentreignofheroes
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To: AZ .44 MAG

My message to the gun-grabbers is this (and before you attack it, give it some real thought):

“We hear often about ‘compromise’ in politics. Usually, liberals mean that conservatives surrender by a smaller amount than liberals had hoped, and liberals give up nothing other than the pace at which their liberal agenda advances.

So here’s a real compromise. You want all gun sales to be subject to a background check? OK, let’s say that no one can buy a gun unless they can prove they are legally qualified (old enough, not criminally disqualified).

This hard-nose gun rights extremist could live with that IF...

Only if you would agree not to collect any data on purchases. It would be like buying a bottle of booze. I show ID, the clerk checks it, records no data, and away I go. It could be my high-security driver’s license, with no gun-prohibition endorsement. If I ever became disqualified, the first thing they would do is confiscate my old license, and issue one with a gun purchase prohibition.

There would be stiff penalties for seller violations, including stings of gun shops, gun shows, and want-ad sellers who did not ask for and verify a qualified ID.

Now, with this compromise, you’re ensuring that EVERYONE gets “carded.” Which is not now the case. That’s what you gain. What you lose is the ability to collect data on every gun owner, including what models and serial numbers of guns we purchase.

But what use to you is that anyway, except to ban and then take away our guns.

You gain the benefit of keeping guns out of the hands of the unqualified, and we gain insurance against gun confiscation and subsequent tyranny. But you and your politicians never intended that, did you, so you’re really giving up nothing, right?

And the only reason we fight to keep check-free private sales is so we can know that the tyrants to be know that there are millions of guns that they have no ability to confiscate.

Remove that fear of confiscation, and we will agree to a requirement that everyone be carded when they buy a gun.

Oh, and in case you were curious, I have sold guns privately, unable to even make a free phone call to verify my buyer wasn’t a criminal. If you really care about keeping guns out of the hands of criminals, you’d have a line I could call to find this our (without revealing whether a gun was actually purchased - I’d ignore that, because I want one more gun taken outside of your confiscation database.)”

(And because they’d never go for this, don’t hate me for proposing it, because all it really does is reveal their true agenda).


64 posted on 02/01/2011 3:19:11 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: AZ .44 MAG

I get checked each time I buy a weapon. But, because I have a conceal carry permit, I walk out with the weapon then and there!


65 posted on 02/01/2011 3:25:37 PM PST by Bushbacker1 (I miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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To: Tucsonican

“There is no way on God’s green earth that you could reasonably expect something like that to work between private parties.”

That’s why they want to register ALL guns. Then ALL sales, trades or gifts would have to be reported.


66 posted on 02/01/2011 3:26:10 PM PST by panaxanax (*Memo to Jim DeMint: Check your mail. Your DRAFT NOTICE will be arriving soon!)
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To: The KG9 Kid

“...have you ever sold a firearm in a private sale to someone unknown to you?”

Yes. I’ve also declined selling to a person that I didn’t ‘feel right’ about.


67 posted on 02/01/2011 3:28:28 PM PST by panaxanax (*Memo to Jim DeMint: Check your mail. Your DRAFT NOTICE will be arriving soon!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Do you have a preferred caliber? LOL!


68 posted on 02/01/2011 3:32:15 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Yes I do.

See post 61.

Ohh yeahhh!


69 posted on 02/01/2011 3:40:18 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: Beelzebubba
I don't think criminals and mentally ill persons should have guns. I don't trust the government with the absolute power to make those judgments.

I think the Framers had it right:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

I also think I understand your idea and the reason you propose it.

70 posted on 02/01/2011 3:46:20 PM PST by AZ .44 MAG (Repeal Obama)
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To: panaxanax
My advice to private sellers is to record identification of those you sell to, whether they're known to you or not. If they refuse, that would be a huge 'you should bad feelings about this person' signal to me, and that person needs to be moving on down the road somewhere else.

If the firearm you sell turns up in a bad spot, you will be meeting with ATF or FBI at some point and they can be surprisingly quick and impolite about the visit and where it takes place. Oh, the stories I've heard from reputable people...

Best idea of all is that guns you acquire shouldn't be sold. That is my personal policy. No firearm I own is for sale. The shirt I am currently wearing, yes. Guns, no.

I have no problem with a NICS check at point-of-sale for new firearms. Even the USSC's Heller decision states this is perfectly reasonable, and that's that. What I object to is that mental reject screwballs like the Tuscon shooter don't make the NICS denial list when by all accounts they should be on it.

71 posted on 02/01/2011 4:03:21 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: panaxanax
That’s why they want to register ALL guns. Then ALL sales, trades or gifts would have to be reported.

And how are they going to get "all" guns registered? They'd have to go house to house ransacking the place and even at that they'd never get even half the guns registered.

72 posted on 02/01/2011 4:16:29 PM PST by Tucsonican
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To: Responsibility2nd

Yeeeaaaah, baby!


73 posted on 02/01/2011 4:28:27 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Take it easy Texan,
I have about 10 various guns and a ccw
Gun mint knows of three. None of their damned bid ness.
Stay safe &stay armed


74 posted on 02/01/2011 4:50:38 PM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: AZ .44 MAG

Been there.
FReeped that.

I’m pleasantly surprised to see “no” in the lead. That is, of course, the correct answer. Background checks haven’t been worth the expense and work that goes into them. Most denials are mistakes that later result in the sale going through anyway.


75 posted on 02/01/2011 4:56:25 PM PST by Redcloak (What's your zombie plan?)
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To: Bridge_toofar
Since my background is flawless, I voted yes.

It's too bad your thinking is so seriously flawed.

76 posted on 02/01/2011 4:56:46 PM PST by 2111USMC
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To: AZ .44 MAG
Private sales too?

I have several firearms for sale, should I sell them to you sight unseen or should I request validation that you are eligible to purchase a firearm? In other words, prove to me you're not a convicted felon...

77 posted on 02/01/2011 5:04:32 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Oh Magoo, you've done it again.....)
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To: AZ .44 MAG

FReeped it.

Yes
36%

No
62%

Undecided
2%


78 posted on 02/01/2011 5:07:09 PM PST by 2111USMC
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To: AZ .44 MAG

FReeped it.

Yes
36%

No
62%

Undecided
2%


79 posted on 02/01/2011 5:07:43 PM PST by 2111USMC
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To: AZ .44 MAG

FReeped it.

Yes
36%

No
62%

Undecided
2%


80 posted on 02/01/2011 5:08:09 PM PST by 2111USMC
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To: 2111USMC

Hmmm... triple post ....

Either FR is about to go down again or I broke the internet.


81 posted on 02/01/2011 5:13:21 PM PST by 2111USMC
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To: AZ .44 MAG

Yes

37%
No

61%


82 posted on 02/01/2011 5:17:35 PM PST by bmwcyle (It is Satan's fault)
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To: AZ .44 MAG
People seem to forget that the NICS system has already been abused by our government. The Brady act was the biggest travesty of the past 70 years, even more so than GCA 68 because it forces a person to prove themselves “worthy” before they can exercise a fundamental right.

The abuses that the FBI have already perpetrated with the NICS system are unfathomable: Innocent people being put into a “hold” status for weeks, forced to provide fingerprints to prove who they are (or aren't), vindictive LEO’s, organizations, and states putting people in the system over child support issues (even without criminal charges), expired drivers licenses, etc.

The BATF threatens dealers against transferring after the allowable 3 day pending period.

I owned a gun shop and hate the NICS system with a passion. I wish it was never put into place. Nobody who isn't actively incarcerated has the right to own, carry and use firearms regardless of what the law says. The constitution overrides the law. People forget that it wasn't until 1968 that felons were prohibited from owning firearms by federal law. Back then there were many fewer felons. Now it's a race between the states and feds to see who can come up with the quickest way to swell the number of felons in their system.

I love jury duty. I hope I get a gun case next time because I will hang that jury and nullify any attempt to convict anyone of any “crime” dealing with the possession or carrying of a firearm regardless of who the perp is. Those laws are abhorrent to the constitution and need to be undone by any means necessary. Legislation hasn't worked. Jury nullification is next. The 2nd amendment is universal and worth. First we must take it back.

83 posted on 02/01/2011 5:18:56 PM PST by Dayman
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To: AZ .44 MAG

No. Lenient crime sentencing and repeat offenders are a bigger threat than non-background checked private gun sales, IMHO.


84 posted on 02/01/2011 5:26:28 PM PST by Free in Texas (Martin Luther King was a Republican and Karl Marx played the stock market...'nuff said.)
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To: AZ .44 MAG

KGUN 9 POLL
Should all gun sales be subject to a background check?
Yes
No
Undecided

Thank you for participating in our poll. Here are the results so far:

Yes
37%
No
61%
Undecided
2%


85 posted on 02/01/2011 5:28:43 PM PST by Randy Larsen ( BTW, If I offend you! Please let me know, I may want to offend you again!(FR #1690))
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To: Hot Tabasco
Private sales too?

I have several firearms for sale, should I sell them to you sight unseen or should I request validation that you are eligible to purchase a firearm? In other words, prove to me you're not a convicted felon...

How about for axes? Swords? Kinves? SUVs?

I would never sell anything to anyone if I thought they were going to use it illegally. What is in question here is whether or not the government should oversee private transactions of legally owned goods.

I think not.

86 posted on 02/01/2011 5:42:29 PM PST by AZ .44 MAG (Repeal Obama)
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To: 2111USMC
Hmmm... triple post ....

But it was a good one.

I broke the internet.

Damn you!

87 posted on 02/01/2011 5:44:56 PM PST by AZ .44 MAG (Repeal Obama)
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To: Tucsonican

“They’d have to go house to house ransacking the place...”

You mean how Aloph Hitler did it? Ban all guns, then physically confiscate them.


88 posted on 02/01/2011 6:00:08 PM PST by panaxanax (*Memo to Jim DeMint: Check your mail. Your DRAFT NOTICE will be arriving soon!)
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To: Beelzebubba
What you lose is the ability to collect data on every gun owner, including what models and serial numbers of guns we purchase.

Which I'm sure they're on record claiming isn't what they want anyway. So if you figure out a way to give them what they CLAIM they want without also giving them what they CLAIM they don't want, it puts them in a bind. What can they say? Good work!

89 posted on 02/01/2011 6:19:11 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Deaf Smith

Nope, the background check should apply only when buying from some one who does not know the buyer personally.

Such as if I walk into a gun store to buy a gun, they should
be required to check me out.

If my brother-in-law wants to sell me a Glock, he knows me personally and he is taking the responsibility for the sale to a non-criminal. Therefor I agree with you no check is required.


90 posted on 02/01/2011 7:17:43 PM PST by Bridge_toofar (Islam grows silently like cancer and when large enough it kills the host)
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To: TLI

Non related issue. I do not want convicted criminals to be able to buy firearms easily.

I also want penalties for illegal use of firearms to be very severe.


91 posted on 02/01/2011 7:20:10 PM PST by Bridge_toofar (Islam grows silently like cancer and when large enough it kills the host)
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To: upsdriver

Exactly right...which is why I strongly favor 2nd Amendment and NO RESTRICTIONS for law abiding citizens to buy firearms.

However I do not relish the idea of a convicted criminal to be able to walk in a store and buy gun, no questions asked.

And people caught with illegal use of firearms should be put away in prison for a very long time.


92 posted on 02/01/2011 7:23:23 PM PST by Bridge_toofar (Islam grows silently like cancer and when large enough it kills the host)
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To: 2111USMC

You are sounding like my wife. She also thinks my thinking is flawed.


93 posted on 02/01/2011 7:24:47 PM PST by Bridge_toofar (Islam grows silently like cancer and when large enough it kills the host)
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To: DCBryan1

Thank you sincerely, love to be here.


94 posted on 02/01/2011 7:30:18 PM PST by Bridge_toofar (Islam grows silently like cancer and when large enough it kills the host)
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To: Bridge_toofar

All a convicted criminal has to do is send someone with a clean record, such as a girlfriend, into the store to make the purchase for him. Those who are criminal or criminal bent won’t have a problem getting a gun no matter how tough the gun laws are. OTOH, think about the wasted man hours complying with a worthless law that only serves to inhibit law abiding citizens in their purchase of a gun. It’s costly, foolish and unconstitutional.


95 posted on 02/01/2011 10:13:17 PM PST by upsdriver (to undo the damage the "intellectual elites" have done. . . . . Sarah Palin for President!)
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To: Hot Tabasco
I have several firearms for sale, should I sell them to you sight unseen or should I request validation that you are eligible to purchase a firearm? In other words, prove to me you're not a convicted felon...

And how would you propose to find out whether the person is a convicted felon, since by design background checks are going to return a lot of false positives?

96 posted on 02/01/2011 10:14:46 PM PST by supercat (Barry Soetoro == Bravo Sierra)
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To: upsdriver

In that scenario the girl friend becomes accessory to a crime and can be convicted into prison. If she wants to take the fall for the felon, it is a stupid choice on her part. Her name will be on record and it will be easily proven where the felon obtained the gun.

Not every girl friend is that stupid, so it does make it a bit more difficult for convicted felons in general to purchase firearms.

But in the end the best method is to have very severe punishments for illegal use of firearms. Like mandatory 20 year sentence.

Also with today’s technology it is not all that time consuming to log into a FBI data base to check your crime history. It is a shame illegals are not checked every time they apply for a job or drivers license for their immigration status.


97 posted on 02/01/2011 10:50:03 PM PST by Bridge_toofar (Islam grows silently like cancer and when large enough it kills the host)
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To: MindBender26

You said background checks? Absolutely!!!!


98 posted on 02/01/2011 11:35:08 PM PST by tallyhoe
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To: The Comedian

I believe in this how it is written!!!!

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

as far as the 2nd amendment is written any free citizen may own Bazooka you bet, cannons yep, tanks Ok by me, machine guns yes sir!!!!


99 posted on 02/01/2011 11:39:49 PM PST by tallyhoe
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To: tallyhoe

Please read it again and see how I define a “background check”

:)


100 posted on 02/02/2011 4:26:37 AM PST by MindBender26 (Fighting the "con" in Conservatism on FR since 1998.)
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