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Egyptians Turning on Each Other (EGYPT LIVE THREAD # 2)
FOX NEWS ^ | 2 February 2011

Posted on 02/02/2011 7:31:01 AM PST by SE Mom

URGENT: Gunfire heard in Cairo's Tahrir Square as supporters of President Mubarak and anti-government demonstrators clash hours after the embattled leader defiantly said he would serve out his term in office.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 300dead; acoopergobsmacked; bedouins; cairo; camels; egypt; husseinobama; injuredjournos; israel; mb; molotovcocktails; mubarak; muslimbrotherhood; obamasfault; tahrirsquare
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To: sunmars

“Jesus, that sounds like huge artillery fire now going on.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/41403357#41403357

I’d say. It’s almost deafening! God, please protect the reporters who are filming that....I don’t care if they are from MSNBC.


701 posted on 02/03/2011 7:01:03 AM PST by wk4bush2004 (PALIN 2012! AMERICA WILL SHINE AGAIN!)
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To: wk4bush2004

mark


702 posted on 02/03/2011 7:07:06 AM PST by Raebie
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“The Middle East Crisis Part XIV: Al-Qaeda Deputy Leader Al-Zawahiri Deputy Encourages Egyptians to Stand Fast and Topple Mubarak”

2/3/2011
http://m.memri.org/14499/show/38ba1c7d4a5404b129477882143979d3&t=20320d97cb30b6845cb6422bedb5dfbe


703 posted on 02/03/2011 7:09:45 AM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: combat_boots

It is so sickening that it has come to this......the US government and Al-Qaeda having the same goal.

What we should have done is screaming, loud and clear: SUPPORT PRESIDENT MUBARAK!!!!......but it has fallen on deaf ears.


704 posted on 02/03/2011 7:14:57 AM PST by wk4bush2004 (PALIN 2012! AMERICA WILL SHINE AGAIN!)
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To: sunmars

Yes it does need to be documented- and in reference to that here’s what I just heard-

On MSNBC Chris Jansen was talking to Nicholas Kristof from the NYT who sounded truly frightened for the first time since I’ve heard him over there- he’s in the middle of Cairo and his voice was shaking and he was having difficulty focusing on the questions being asked and sounded unsure of how to answer them.

Next up was Ron Allen who had been in Alexandria and was making his way to Cairo. He told of going through a checkpoint that was pretty intense and then mentioned “colleagues in the middle of Cairo trying to get out”...and the crackdown going on against journalists.

The people from NBC in Cairo now are Brian Wilson, Richard Engel and a couple of others.

It’s getting very dicey.


705 posted on 02/03/2011 7:18:07 AM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Uncle Ike

This has been sitting in the back of our minds, but to read the intention so blatantly is.... is ...I can’t find the words.

The region is changing, right before our eyes.


706 posted on 02/03/2011 7:19:00 AM PST by HollyB
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To: Uncle Ike; HollyB; mewzilla; All

1502: Al-Arabiya reporting that Mubarak supporters have stormed hotels in Cairo, chasing foreign journalists.


707 posted on 02/03/2011 7:20:33 AM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: HollyB

“The region is changing, right before our eyes.”

Exactly, and I have to agree with Israeli PM Netanyahu that Iran is most likely behind this.

We’re looking at the rise of radical, terrorist theocracies all over the Middle East, just like Iran.


708 posted on 02/03/2011 7:22:07 AM PST by wk4bush2004 (PALIN 2012! AMERICA WILL SHINE AGAIN!)
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To: SE Mom

“1502: Al-Arabiya reporting that Mubarak supporters have stormed hotels in Cairo, chasing foreign journalists.”

I think Mubarak is probably quite upset now with the West, and rightfully so. We threw him under the bus and spat in his face. Despicable!

And, as awful as that is, this is going to have/is having a massive ripple effect throughout the Middle East.


709 posted on 02/03/2011 7:25:41 AM PST by wk4bush2004 (PALIN 2012! AMERICA WILL SHINE AGAIN!)
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To: wk4bush2004; SE Mom; HollyB; All

Thanks for all the updates - I’m forced to be in and out this morning, dealing with frozen water pipes —

-8 (that’s ‘minus’ 8) degrees overnight here in Sunny Southern New Mexico, and our plumbing just wasn’t designed to deal with this.. :(

I’ll be popping in from time to time to try to keep caught up (and get warm, of course...)


710 posted on 02/03/2011 7:27:29 AM PST by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: Uncle Ike

Terrible Uncle Ike, didn’t realize it ever got that cold down there. Praying no serious damage. Stay warm, sending you some ear muffs!


711 posted on 02/03/2011 7:31:46 AM PST by HollyB
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To: Uncle Ike; All

Oh no :( sorry to hear about your water pipes. Good luck.

1522: BBC Arabic correspondent Khaled Ezzelarab: Heavy gunfire heard in Abdel Monem Riyad Square in downtown Cairo.

1518: Ashraf Khalil tweets: “Huge plumes of smoke coming from up the river past national archives. Hard to tell but could be Arcadia mall.”

1516: AFP citing witnesses saying a supermarket on the outskirts of Cairo is on fire.


712 posted on 02/03/2011 7:32:12 AM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: SE Mom

“I don’t think the Americans understand yet the disaster they have pushed the Middle East into,” said lawmaker Binyamin Ben-Eliezer, who until recently was a Cabinet minister and who is a longtime friend of Mubarak.

“If there are elections like the Americans want, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Muslim Brotherhood didn’t win a majority, it would win half of the seats in parliament,” he told Army Radio. “It will be a new Middle East, extremist radical Islam.”

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20110203/D9L59U1G0.html


713 posted on 02/03/2011 7:35:15 AM PST by HollyB
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To: wk4bush2004
What we should have done is screaming, loud and clear: SUPPORT PRESIDENT MUBARAK!!!!..

No!

Why do you think we have a right to interfere with their government? Would you like them to actively support/undermine Obama or Palin?

Egypt has a constitution and elections. We should stay out of their affairs. No wonder they hate us.

714 posted on 02/03/2011 7:43:06 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: ladyjane

But we don’t throw our allies under the bus.

We should at least have aknowledged Mubareks relationship to us and peace with Israel.


715 posted on 02/03/2011 7:45:56 AM PST by luckystarmom
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To: SE Mom

Al Jazeera breaking: AFP: Foreigner dies in Meydan Tahrir

Now this is either a journolist or its one of those code pink mob? Who else would it be.


716 posted on 02/03/2011 7:47:06 AM PST by sunmars
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To: sunmars

Oh no...checking around but can’t find more on this- will post if/when I do.


717 posted on 02/03/2011 7:48:43 AM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: ladyjane

He is our ally. I’m not saying send troops in, but to publicly disgrace and throw him under the bus is just WRONG. It shows that we don’t keep our word.

We did interfere in this mess by supporting his opposition. And, as so many others have said, it’s incomprehensible that we are supporting terrorists, while we didn’t lift a finger to support those in Iran who did fight for freedom.


718 posted on 02/03/2011 7:48:49 AM PST by wk4bush2004 (PALIN 2012! AMERICA WILL SHINE AGAIN!)
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To: ladyjane

The call is going out on terrorist forums for AQ to join in the fun; they will ‘help’ the protesters; perhaps ‘staying out of their affairs’ is not such a great idea...


719 posted on 02/03/2011 7:50:19 AM PST by harwood (Ann Coulter: Future SCOTUS nominee!)
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To: harwood

The iraqis are leaving Cairo, they say its safer in Baghdad.

now you don’t hear that often.


720 posted on 02/03/2011 7:52:21 AM PST by sunmars
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To: SE Mom

Maybe this..

Breaking Al Jazeera: Greek journalist stabbed in Cairo while covering the protests in Meydan Tahrir


721 posted on 02/03/2011 7:57:46 AM PST by sunmars
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To: sunmars

NPR regarding the stabbed Greek journalist: Released from Hospital


722 posted on 02/03/2011 8:00:26 AM PST by sunmars
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To: 444Flyer; Nachum

Ping #690 and #703

Al-Qaeda Deputy Leader Al-Zawahiri Deputy Encourages Egyptians to Stand Fast and Topple Mubarak

Muslim Brotherhood wants end to Egypt-Israeli peace deal


723 posted on 02/03/2011 8:01:50 AM PST by HollyB
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To: SE Mom

please add me to the Egypt ping list?

thanks


724 posted on 02/03/2011 8:03:24 AM PST by DollyCali (Don't tell God how big your storm is... tell your storm how BIG your God is!)
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To: SE Mom
1502: Al-Arabiya reporting that Mubarak supporters have stormed hotels in Cairo, chasing foreign journalists.

What, did they hand out business cards? I'm not saying that the Mubarak regime isn't capable of doing this, but if some of these acts are being perpetrated by someone else, or by gov't officials w/o gov't sanction, then the regime's not the only problem. Has the regime copped to any of this?

725 posted on 02/03/2011 8:10:15 AM PST by mewzilla (Hey, Schumer, your Lockerbie report left quite a bit out.)
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To: SE Mom
All western journalists and camera crews should be pulled out.

The actions of the warring mobs and sensational TV shots are not worth one single life. There will always be some local professional news hawks there to get pictures and news out if rewarded sufficiently.

Now if the journalistas WANT to stay in the eye of the tornado for either guts or glory, then that's their business....and I have no sympathy if they refuse to heed warnings and ignore what they see with their own eyes.

Leni

726 posted on 02/03/2011 8:15:10 AM PST by MinuteGal
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To: mewzilla

oh come on like the regime is gonna say “oh yes we’re out busting journo’s heads”

They wont tell you anything until the baseball bat hits you round the head.


727 posted on 02/03/2011 8:16:10 AM PST by sunmars
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To: sunmars

FWIW, I think it’d be good to know if these are actually military/supporters carrying this stuff out, military/supporters w/o gov’t sanction, or MB-types out to cause chaos. Or various combination of some or all of the above. If the Army’s doing it with approval, why hide it. They’re the Army and they work for the regime. If the military’s doing it without sanction, then has the Army brass lost control of some of its units/personnel? That could be a very big deal. And if it’s someone else out to raise havoc, then the Egyptian people ought to be made aware of that before they’re used as cannon fodder.


728 posted on 02/03/2011 8:22:18 AM PST by mewzilla (Hey, Schumer, your Lockerbie report left quite a bit out.)
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To: HollyB; SE Mom; All

morning just woke up. back to this thread. Thanks again to all who are updating here!


729 posted on 02/03/2011 8:22:31 AM PST by ColdOne
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To: SunkenCiv; gandalftb; nuconvert

Iran, China Block Outside Sites to Muzzle Mideast News

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/02/iran-china-block-outside-sites-to-muzzle-mideast-news/#more-39935


730 posted on 02/03/2011 8:23:54 AM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith

U.S. Shadow War Will Go On, Whoever Runs Yemen

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/02/u-s-shadow-war/#more-39984


731 posted on 02/03/2011 8:24:41 AM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: HollyB; SE Mom; All

http://www.politico.com/politico44/

The Whiteboard

BARACK’S BARAKAH: President Obama prayed briefly for Egyptians on Thursday, saying at the National Prayer Breakfast that he hopes a “better day will dawn” over Egypt after protesters were attacked in Cairo.

“We’re also mindful of the violence that we’re now seeing in the Middle East,” Obama said. “We pray that violence in Egypt will end and the rights and aspirations of the Egyptian people will be realized. And that a better day will dawn over Egypt and throughout the world.”


732 posted on 02/03/2011 8:24:58 AM PST by ColdOne
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To: harwood

Oh yeah, throwing Murabek under the bus is a great idea. Thank you Obama.


733 posted on 02/03/2011 8:25:19 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: AdmSmith

thanks for the pong


734 posted on 02/03/2011 8:27:49 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: ColdOne
If Obama’s words were pennies, we would all be Billionaires!
735 posted on 02/03/2011 8:29:24 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (Patriotic by Proxy! (Cause I'm a nutcase and it's someone Else's' fault!....))
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To: ColdOne

“President Obama prayed briefly for Egyptians”

Pray for what? How about he get on his knees and repent for SCREWING UP Egypt, betraying an ally, and pretty much guaranteeing a war against Israel!


736 posted on 02/03/2011 8:31:43 AM PST by wk4bush2004 (PALIN 2012! AMERICA WILL SHINE AGAIN!)
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To: wk4bush2004
“President Obama prayed briefly for Egyptians” Pray for what? How about he get on his knees and repent for SCREWING UP Egypt, betraying an ally, and pretty much guaranteeing a war against Israel! I bet it had to do with mooselimb brotherhood!
737 posted on 02/03/2011 8:40:23 AM PST by ColdOne
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

yes i agree. Just shameful


738 posted on 02/03/2011 8:47:25 AM PST by ColdOne
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Another Jimmy Carter moment as directed by President Obama.....I am having flash backs to Iran cicra 1970's....

Obama <==> Jimmy Carter on steroids
739 posted on 02/03/2011 8:58:17 AM PST by PigRigger (Donate to http://www.AdoptAPlatoon.org - The Troops have our front covered, let's guard their backs!)
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To: ColdOne; SE Mom; Uncle Ike; wk4bush2004; sunmars

(Wonder which professional revolutionary type put this together)

Egyptians Circulate Manual for Protesters

http://m.memri.org/14499/show/d1700d9668ee9ae0b7e00a03e0bd73b8&t=20320d97cb30b6845cb6422bedb5dfbe

The manual also lists strategic targets that can be taken over by protesters, such as the television and radio buildings, the presidential palace, and major police stations in Cairo.

Diagram explaining how to hold a march: small groups start in different locations and converge

The tactical goals of the civil disobedience [actions] are:

Image showing how to converge on TV building in Cairo

Diagram explaining how to thwart police’s attempt to halt a march

How to confront the riot police


740 posted on 02/03/2011 8:58:58 AM PST by HollyB
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To: ColdOne

This is like his handling of this economy. The more grave mistakes he makes and the worse it gets, the more he increases the cause and effect of the disaster!


741 posted on 02/03/2011 8:59:41 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (Patriotic by Proxy! (Cause I'm a nutcase and it's someone Else's' fault!....))
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To: HollyB; Yehuda; Nachum
“Muslim Brotherhood wants end to Egypt-Israeli peace deal”

Check this out:

“Obama and Hillary Helping “Muslim Brotherhood: ‘Prepare Egyptians for War With Israel’”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2667188/posts

Obama, Soros, Ayers, Clinton and any of the rest of the fools who encouraged and or created this mess and who have counseled with or supported the MB in what is occurring over there will have this come back to bite them in the arse. Big time.

Someone should tell Obama that trying to keep control of the Muslim Brotherhood is like trying to put a leash on the Devil.

May the Lord bless and keep Israel safe in the days ahead. (Isaiah 25)

742 posted on 02/03/2011 9:01:57 AM PST by 444Flyer ("The contest for ages has been to rescue liberty from the grasp of executive power." -Daniel Webster)
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To: HollyB
BTW On one of the talk radio shows I was listening to yesterday, someone called in and reported that Iran was handing out money and paying some of the protesters. Have you heard this? Wonder if and how it could be confirmed outside of heresay.
743 posted on 02/03/2011 9:05:19 AM PST by 444Flyer ("The contest for ages has been to rescue liberty from the grasp of executive power." -Daniel Webster)
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To: no-to-illegals

Reminder from: Shoebat.com (news@shoebat.com)

(Might have been mentioned in another thread)

From Isaiah:

19:1 The burden against Egypt. Behold, the LORD rides on a swift cloud, And will come into Egypt; The idols of Egypt will totter at His presence, And the heart of Egypt will melt in its midst. (when Messiah comes)

RIGHT NOW:

19:2”I will set Egyptians against Egyptians; Everyone will fight against his brother, And everyone against his neighbor, City against city, kingdom against kingdom.

19:3 The spirit of Egypt will fail in its midst; I will destroy their counsel, And they will consult the idols and the charmers, The mediums and the sorcerers.

19:4 And the Egyptians I will give Into the hand of a cruel master, And a fierce king will rule over them,” Says the Lord, the LORD of hosts.
***********************************************

My; What a coincidence...???


744 posted on 02/03/2011 9:07:43 AM PST by George Varnum (Liberty, like our Forefather's Flintlock Musket, must be kept clean, oiled, and READY!)
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To: George Varnum

information appreciated, and Thank You


745 posted on 02/03/2011 9:11:33 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Bless and Protect Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: HollyB; SE Mom; Uncle Ike; wk4bush2004; sunmars

Good find.


746 posted on 02/03/2011 9:12:11 AM PST by ColdOne
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To: All

http://www.politico.com/politico44/
THE WHITEBOARD
FRESH CONDEMNATION: Briefing reporters on Air Force One, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs condemned the arrests of journalists in Egypt, calling for the release of foreign reporters. He says President Obama was briefed on the matter today, according to the radio pool.

Gibbs called the treatment of journalists “completely and totally unacceptable.”

He also said the White House hopes the new prime minister there keeps his promise to hold accountable those who are responsible for the violence in the streets.


747 posted on 02/03/2011 9:13:46 AM PST by ColdOne
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To: OB1kNOb

“...OMG! Not the camels! They’ve brought in the camels! ...”

212th Camel Assault Brigade, “Allah’s Humpers”. An elite unit, to be sure. Only called in when the natives are geting restless...


748 posted on 02/03/2011 9:13:54 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

all part of a plan maybe


749 posted on 02/03/2011 9:17:21 AM PST by ColdOne
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Rush Limbaugh just said he has heard unconfirmed reports that Mubarak has left Egypt.


750 posted on 02/03/2011 9:17:34 AM PST by Pan_Yan
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