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FL Teachers, police officers and firefighters upset about Scott's pension plans
St. Petersburg Times ^ | February 8, 2011 | Tom Marshall, David DeCamp and Craig Pittman

Posted on 02/08/2011 3:23:16 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

Megan Allen teaches special-needs students at Cleveland Elementary in Tampa, a tough job under any circumstances. She does it so well that last year she was Florida's Teacher of the Year.

Now Gov. Rick Scott wants to take some of her pay away — a move that teachers, firefighters and other public employees say will hurt education, hamper law enforcement and chase good people away from public employment.

Scott, in the budget he unveiled Monday, called for an overhaul of the state's pension system for teachers, police officers, firefighters and other state and county workers. He wants them to contribute 5 percent of their pay to their retirement accounts, instead of the state covering the entire expense. Most states require at least some employees to contribute toward their retirement.

Allen said it would be fair for Scott to ask teachers to contribute only if they were being paid a salary comparable to what they could earn in the private sector.

The governor predicted that many public employees will complain, but told supporters, "What we have to remember is we're doing this for the sake of our children and grandchildren."

(Excerpt) Read more at tampabay.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: budget; pensions; teachers
Let's see how "for the sake of the children" mantra plays now.

"We're getting blows from all angles," she said. Her decision to go into teaching "was never about the money. But we planned so that we could survive and not go on food stamps. Now someone is changing our plan midstream."

Welcome to the party!

Ralph Grant, a captain in Pasco Fire Rescue who is eight years from retirement, estimated the shift would cost him $3,500 a year.

"You've got to understand, when we took these positions for public service, it was not the high salaries they were paying," Grant said. "You take the public service jobs for the benefits, for the pension."

Ask your union to give back your dues -- that money of yours that goes toward political activism.

"Yes, it's not the greatest pay, but you get good time off and benefits, and that's becoming less true," said Goldrick. "Health insurance was the first to go, and now this is the next step. Why would you want to teach when those things are falling away?"

So, the unvarnished truth for many is revealed.

1 posted on 02/08/2011 3:23:21 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

There is the door. Don’t let it hit you in the back to go get a better deal in the private sector. heh...heh...heh


2 posted on 02/08/2011 3:28:00 AM PST by screaminsunshine (Surfers Rule)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

it’s what happens when you run out of other peoples money...


3 posted on 02/08/2011 3:29:02 AM PST by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Tell them, “All right, we’re firing 20% of you then.”

Maybe then they’ll start understanding economics.


4 posted on 02/08/2011 3:32:16 AM PST by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Oh puleeeze! Bring up the violinss and cry me river. Of COURSE they should contribute to their pension plans just like everyone. Teachers are not saints.


5 posted on 02/08/2011 3:36:27 AM PST by AdaGray
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

As one in the edu system who has worked in the private sector; it is only right that we contribute something towards our retirement. As for DROP...that should end...and those who retire under it, should never be allowed to return to former or newly created positions.


6 posted on 02/08/2011 3:43:18 AM PST by Florida native
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“we took these jobs for public service”?
Horse crap

Morning Cincinatys Wife


7 posted on 02/08/2011 3:44:53 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Ask your union to give back your dues -- that money of yours that goes toward political activism.

Actually thats just what the vast majority of "Teachers" in Florida should do.

They are not required to pay dues to the union, Fl is a "right to work state", but most of these morons are too stupid to figure that out and pay anyway.

They dont like contributing to their pensions, fine, stop paying dues to the marxist crooks at the union, problem solved all the way around.

8 posted on 02/08/2011 3:46:12 AM PST by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Good analysis.

Stories like this should mention that pension and retirement plans for the private sector change all the time. I know that many companies that had defined benefit pension plans dropped them over the last thirty years due to changes in Federal requirements making the funding and security of the plans to difficult to satisfy to federal standards.


9 posted on 02/08/2011 3:51:13 AM PST by KC Burke
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Allen said it would be fair for Scott to ask teachers to contribute only if they were being paid a salary comparable to what they could earn in the private sector.

How much are teachers in private schools paid?

10 posted on 02/08/2011 4:04:35 AM PST by Ken H
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Allen said it would be fair for Scott to ask teachers to contribute only if they were being paid a salary comparable to what they could earn in the private sector.

Then go get a job in the private sector.

Lots of us had to give up something to keep our jobs...but you may not have heard that.


11 posted on 02/08/2011 4:10:40 AM PST by Adder (Part 1 Accomplished)
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To: AdaGray

In Georgia...teachers get full retirement after 20 years. TWENTY YEARS. T W E N T Y Y E A R S !!!!


12 posted on 02/08/2011 4:11:32 AM PST by Josa
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To: Josa

I had to go vomit. “Public service”...sheesh! “Public trough, more likely. Cry me a river.


13 posted on 02/08/2011 4:14:32 AM PST by hal ogen (1st amendment or reeducation camp?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Now Gov. Rick Scott wants to take some of her pay away....

Only someone with a union mentality could see this move as "losing pay". You are still receiving that pay only it's being saved for you for your retirement. This is how social security works you morons....where are the complaints about that "lost pay" ???????

Hell, I'm losing pay every two weeks then.......

14 posted on 02/08/2011 4:28:56 AM PST by Mopp4
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To: Mopp4
Hell, I'm losing pay every two weeks then.......

Great line.

15 posted on 02/08/2011 4:54:11 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Police, teachers, public workers, firefighter unions are killing America. They are bleeding us dry.


16 posted on 02/08/2011 5:01:06 AM PST by WaterBoard ("PBR Street Gang this is Almighty, over..")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
One of my teacher friends posted the following on Facebook a while back . . .

"For the first time this school year I actually taught a math lesson that went reasonably well. I actually feel like I've accomplished something today."

Keeping in mind that this person has been a teacher for over 10 years!

I can't imagine telling my boss "Wow! I actually succeeded at a task today, I sure feel great! Something tells me that would be one of my last conversations with the man . . .

17 posted on 02/08/2011 5:02:22 AM PST by blues_guitarist (ISLAM=DEATH!! . . . . . . black & humble . . .)
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To: Florida native
Same day. Same paper. Relevant article.

Shock jock questions St. Petersburg administrator's loyalty after cop shootings

[Excerpt]…….His [Davis] own administrative calendar says that on that day, at 11 a.m., Davis, a top city administrator and former police chief, attended the funeral at First Baptist Church on Gandy Boulevard.

But Tampa shock jock Bubba the Love Sponge Clem on Monday spent much of his morning show on WHPT-FM (the Bone 102.5) lambasting Davis because he did not go to the officers' funeral — yet he did attend Saturday's funeral for their killer, Hydra Lacy Jr.

....When asked why he wouldn't answer whether he attended the funeral, Davis replied: "I don't need to answer to Bubba the Love Sponge."

It is difficult to prove Davis — who makes $152,735 as the city's senior administrator of community enrichment and another $68,317 a year from his police pension — did not attend. [End Excerpt]

18 posted on 02/08/2011 5:07:40 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: Ken H

Far less. My wife makes about 1200 a month teaching at a Christian School that uses a classical education style. She was making that much bi weekly as a public school teacher. To be fair, we get a tuition break for our son, but that is also offset by a McKay Scholarship. No bennies, no pension. This is truly a service-based decision, as my wife believes she is doing more good in this environment, as well as our son. So the whiners can try again, they know how much private school (read Christian or Catholic schoool for the most part) salaries are, every teacher does.


19 posted on 02/08/2011 5:08:17 AM PST by cport (How can political capital be spent on a bunch of ingrates)
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To: WaterBoard

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20 posted on 02/08/2011 5:10:34 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Note to the cops, firefighters, and teachers who are whining about cuts, I have a link for you....

2011 Military Pay Table

Read it and weep. Then shut the heck up.

21 posted on 02/08/2011 5:13:24 AM PST by mewzilla (Hey, Schumer, your Lockerbie report left quite a bit out.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

St. Petersburg police shooter Hydra Lacy Jr. spent years in prison. Court records show two prison terms, starting when he was 17, and arrests for grand theft, aggravated battery, rape, kidnapping, attempted murder and resisting arrest with violence.

In a story in the St. Petersburg Times Sunday about Lacy’s funeral, former police officer Davis explained he attended the cop killer Lacy’s funeral to support the Lacy family, which includes Hydra’s brother and boxing standout Jeff Lacy — who himself did not attend.

What is funny is that his superiors are covering for him by refusing to comment on why this former cop is supporting a rapist, kidnapper, cop killer.

His immediate boss, City Administrator Tish Elston, didn’t return a phone call and e-mail seeking comment about his possible absence or whether she asked him not to attend.

Mayor Bill Foster didn’t return repeated calls seeking comment.


22 posted on 02/08/2011 5:22:34 AM PST by WaterBoard ("PBR Street Gang this is Almighty, over..")
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23 posted on 02/08/2011 5:26:59 AM PST by Red Badger (Whenever these vermin call you an 'idiot', you can be sure that you are doing something right.)
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To: mewzilla
Apples and oranges, IMHO.

I'm a cop and a soldier. When I'm active duty, I make MORE than I do when I'm a cop. The Army pays a lot of little extras besides salary that add up.

Cost of living in the military is a lot less than civilian life. At least in my experience, but I'm in NYC so it's a tad skewed. I know it's anecdotal, but military jobs have sweet pension and benefits that certainly rival police/fire jobs. No one complains about the military, though.

24 posted on 02/08/2011 5:27:02 AM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Allen said it would be fair for Scott to ask teachers to contribute only if they were being paid a salary comparable to what they could earn in the private sector.

Maybe the teachers should test the private sector and find out what they could really earn there (and how the benefit package would compare to what they have now).

25 posted on 02/08/2011 5:29:35 AM PST by Will88
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To: WaterBoard
And now you know why this former cop went to a rapist, kidnapper, felon, cop killer's funeral instead of the funeral of the cop that was killed.

Among those in attendance were senior city administrator Goliath Davis, Louis Muhammad of Mosque 95 Nation of Islam and Omali Yeshitela, founder of the International People's Democratic Uhuru Movement.



Goliath J. Davis, III

http://www.stpete.org/management_team/goliath_davis_iii.asp
26 posted on 02/08/2011 5:29:38 AM PST by WaterBoard ("PBR Street Gang this is Almighty, over..")
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To: thefactor
When I'm active duty, I make MORE than I do when I'm a cop. The Army pays a lot of little extras besides salary that add up.

I'm glad for that :)

As for the rest, I'd don't think any of our public servants should make more than our military personnel. And if our "public servants" didn't like it, I'd tell them to find a job in the private sector.

27 posted on 02/08/2011 5:37:34 AM PST by mewzilla (Hey, Schumer, your Lockerbie report left quite a bit out.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

They may be FINALLY asked to contribute 5% but, let me guess, their plans are still defined benefit, right? Guaranteed outcome and the taxpayer expected to make up any shortfall?

Yet still they complain?


28 posted on 02/08/2011 5:41:04 AM PST by Let's Roll (Save the world's best healthcare - REPEAL, DEFUND Obamacare!)
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To: Let's Roll
They may be FINALLY asked to contribute 5% but, let me guess, their plans are still defined benefit, right? Guaranteed outcome and the taxpayer expected to make up any shortfall? Yet still they complain?

Ditto. I am so sick of this. This defined benefit crap for public workers is what's killing the budget here in the People's Republic of Illinois.

29 posted on 02/08/2011 5:47:37 AM PST by Marathoner (Repeal the 17th amendment, and the 16th for good measure.)
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To: mewzilla

Aren’t military personnel to be considered government employees? It just seems to me that soldiers escape any criticism whatsoever when in fact they enjoy similar, if not more, benefits that people begrudge cops/firemen/teachers.


30 posted on 02/08/2011 5:49:08 AM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: Let's Roll

Florida public schools are costing about $15,000 per student. That includes teachers, adminstrators, buses, buildings, and other costs.

Florida charter schools cost about $10,000 to $11,000 per student.

The Florida public school system is bloated in many ways and the taxpayers are finally awakening.


31 posted on 02/08/2011 5:58:37 AM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: thefactor
....when in fact they enjoy similar, if not more, benefits that people begrudge cops/firemen/teachers.

Really? Our servicemen and women gets deals this good...

Retiring S.F. police brass cash in on way out

Early retirement benefit for South Burlington school principals raises questions

Houston firefighters' pensions under scrutiny

32 posted on 02/08/2011 5:59:20 AM PST by mewzilla (Hey, Schumer, your Lockerbie report left quite a bit out.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Allen said it would be fair for Scott to ask teachers to contribute only if they were being paid a salary comparable to what they could earn in the private sector.

They picked this person as a representative and she lobs a soft ball like that? Good grief!

Oh well, I'll take it.

If public employees should be paid a salary comparable to their worth in the private sector then we should cut their salaries by 20-50% right off the top.

33 posted on 02/08/2011 6:06:09 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: thefactor

The next time you step on a landmine as a teacher, let us know.


34 posted on 02/08/2011 6:08:25 AM PST by WaterBoard ("PBR Street Gang this is Almighty, over..")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Megan Allen teaches special-needs students...Now Gov. Rick Scott wants to take some of her pay away...

Editorial masquerading as news.

35 posted on 02/08/2011 6:21:31 AM PST by TankerKC (Confucius say, he who rushes to vote on bill before reading, might forget severability clause.)
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To: TankerKC

“””Editorial masquerading as news.”””

I like that. I trust you will not mind if I use it from time to time.


36 posted on 02/08/2011 6:31:56 AM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: Presbyterian Reporter
I trust you will not mind if I use it from time to time.

Please do.

37 posted on 02/08/2011 6:36:43 AM PST by TankerKC (Confucius say, he who rushes to vote on bill before reading, might forget severability clause.)
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To: Florida native

“As for DROP...that should end...and those who retire under it, should never be allowed to return to former or newly created positions.”

I agree completely.


38 posted on 02/08/2011 6:55:15 AM PST by Old Grumpy
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To: WaterBoard

Next time I run towards gunfire as a cop, I’ll let you know.


39 posted on 02/08/2011 7:00:57 AM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: mewzilla
Well of course there are instances of abuse in any situation. The examples you gave are the military equivalent of probably a one-star General. They retire with some sweet deals and then slip right into another high-paying gov't job or as a consultant for a defense contractor.

The differences in these situations is that cops/firefighters are payed by local gov'ts, and local gov'ts can run out of money. The military is payed by the federal gov't, and as we have seen all the feds have to do is print more money.

40 posted on 02/08/2011 7:06:00 AM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: Anybody

Can someone tell me what classroom supplies are bought by the teachers? Seriously.


41 posted on 02/08/2011 7:10:26 AM PST by Dedbone
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To: Carry_Okie
If public employees should be paid a salary comparable to their worth in the private sector then we should cut their salaries by 20-50% right off the top.

Plenty of useless bureaucrats in the private sector, too. When you see headlines like "Company makes targeted layoffs, 5000 employees impacted", the deadwood is always the first to go.

Note, a "targeted" layoff is way different from a "plant closing" or something....closings get everyone, good and bad.

You're right though, Gov't at all levels could swing a pretty big axe. When DC has bad weather, goes to "essential employees only" and no workers show up .... that's a pretty big hint. :-)

42 posted on 02/08/2011 7:32:59 AM PST by wbill
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To: Dedbone
Can someone tell me what classroom supplies are bought by the teachers? Seriously.

My grandson was in the Beta Club in middle school. At the end of the school year the teacher in charge of the club gave the students little goodie bags that had pens with their names engraved on them and a few other school type supplies. I'm assuming those were considered 'classroom supplies'.

43 posted on 02/08/2011 7:53:12 AM PST by Alice in Wonderland
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Thanks....I realize now that the problem with my earlier post is that with social security, my money is not going to an account setup just for me. Which pisses me off and should piss of union members too...at least the 5% contribution would go into an account specifically for the member....I think....


44 posted on 02/08/2011 8:20:13 AM PST by Mopp4
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To: Florida native

Please explain DROP. Sounds like a scam.


45 posted on 02/08/2011 2:36:59 PM PST by Jacquerie (More Central Planning is not the solution to the failures of Central Planning.)
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To: Jacquerie
DROP = Deferred Retirement Option Program

Basically, you reach retirement age/date and join the program (usually 5 years from date you actually plan to retire, but you can leave the program and retire sooner if you choose).

During that time, you stop accruing years of service...but you continue to draw your normal paycheck. While you continue working, you draw your retirement into an account that you will receive in a lump sum or periodic disbursements paid at the end of the DROP period.

The biggest issue I have with DROP - those in the program can choose to return to work after 1 month (before 7/1/2010) or after 6 months (after 7/1 2010)and begin working again drawing a paycheck, while still drawing retirement.

The original reason for DROP was to slow the loss of highly qualified teachers during a teacher shortage. Today, it is no longer needed...and is one reason why new teachers cannot find employment.

46 posted on 02/13/2011 8:14:56 AM PST by Florida native
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