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Pawlenty impresses Iowans on substance; Group backtracks on Huckabee commitment
TheIowaRepublican.com ^ | 2/8/2012 | Kevin Hall

Posted on 02/08/2011 9:14:25 AM PST by bigred08

Tim Pawlenty said all the right things during the inaugural “Presidential Lecture Series” event sponsored by The FAMiLY Leader. A crowd of 150 attendees, plus a dozen media members, gathered at Pella Christian High School early Monday afternoon to listen to the former Minnesota governor. The crowd liked what they heard, but was not blown away by Pawlenty’s delivery.

If elections were won only on substance, Pawlenty would stand a strong chance in the 2012 Iowa Caucus. However, style matters too. Oratorical skills propelled Barack Obama to the White House in 2008. Pawlenty will need to become a more passionate speaker as the campaign moves forward. He possesses an everyman quality that could endear him to caucus goers, but lacks the soaring rhetoric of Obama, folksy humor of Mike Huckabee, and fiery charisma of Chris Christie.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: 2012; ethanol; farmerfathead; huckabee; huckaphoney; ia2012; iowacaucus; mikehuckabee; obama; pawlenty; pawlenty2012; timpawlenty; tpaw; vanderplaats
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To: editor-surveyor
Well, it's way off topic, but I can take it there.

I'll start with my granddad who lost a leg in the Philippines, fall of 1944.

Doug MacArthur wanted to wade ashore and tell the newsreels "I have returned"....so we suffered sixty-odd thousand American casualties when it would have been easy to keep the Japs bottled up there.

51 posted on 02/08/2011 1:27:28 PM PST by Notary Sojac (We have had three central banks in America's history: two of them failed and so will this one....)
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To: bigred08

Anything that comes from The IowaRINO I take with a truckload of salt.


52 posted on 02/08/2011 1:31:35 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Is this a Tea Party, like the kind that happened in 1773, or the kind where they serve crumpets?)
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To: MindBender26

>> “Far from Breaking News and all this emphasis on the 2012 Presidential race distracts us from the cause at hand, defeating Obama’s plans for 2011.” <<

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The GOP House leadership has already abandoned any such plans. Ryan and Boehner only plan to cut 58 billion from last year’s budget, and plan to allow the debt ceiling to be raised.

Can you say surrender?
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53 posted on 02/08/2011 1:32:29 PM PST by editor-surveyor (NOBAMA - 2012)
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To: Notary Sojac

Your grandad has filled your head with garbage.

Macarthur was the only voice of common sense. He opposed the formation of the UN, and intended to clear the communists out of east asia.

Truman would have none of it. Truman was responsible foe many of the failures, including in the Plilippines, where he kept a logisstic leash on all operations for no good reason.

TV was used skillfully by the globalists to defeat Mac in ‘52. I watched it, and it made me sick, and I was just a kid.

The anti-Macarthur forces are responsible for the mess in Korea and the rest of asia that we have today.


54 posted on 02/08/2011 1:41:58 PM PST by editor-surveyor (NOBAMA - 2012)
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To: ilgipper

I personally think a boring governor may be the best candidate. Contrast substance vs Obama’s bs full. I’d run the campaign against the charisma. Obama’s numbers were lowest during the campaign when McCain’s celebrity ad was out.


55 posted on 02/08/2011 1:42:32 PM PST by Darren McCarty (We should lead ourselves instead of looking for leaders)
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To: Darren McCarty

Boring governors are boring because they are not leaders; they’re surrender monkeys and cultural leftists, (Daniels, Pawlenty, etc.)


56 posted on 02/08/2011 1:45:02 PM PST by editor-surveyor (NOBAMA - 2012)
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To: The Pack Knight
Donald Trump? He's given more to dumbocrats than republicans. Trumps donations
57 posted on 02/08/2011 1:49:38 PM PST by Darren McCarty (We should lead ourselves instead of looking for leaders)
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To: bigred08

I feel here in the very liberal state of Minnesota, Pawlenty has been about as conservative as he could be and manage to get re-elected.

Corn farmers are a large voting block. Pushing ethanol was a one issue dealbreaker for most of them. The (female)running mate of the DFL opponent for governor made a large gaffe about not knowing what E-85 was. It tipped them into defeat. As it has become obvious in recent years that ethanol production is a losing waste he has shut-up about it. I doubt he would push it any longer.

He also payed lip service to the global warming crowd. He was all for initiatives that sounded good but he always stated he would fight any regulations that would hurt the economy. With the recent revelations about faked data and the -12 degrees below zero temperature this morning he may have adjusted his stance on this also.

These are the only 2 issues I have disagreed with him on in the past. And I don’t think he really believed them himself. He has done an awesome job of keeping spending down and preventing new taxes with one of the most liberal legislatures in the US. He’s pro-life, pro voter ID, toughened up the child predator laws, and calmed everybody down after Jesse Ventura left.

I know he doesn’t speak with fire and brimstone, but he is very non-threatening, easy going, and personable. I think it could be a very stealthy way to get a decent conservative into office.


58 posted on 02/08/2011 1:55:41 PM PST by toast
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To: bigred08

Hannity showed a group of IA republicans last night, asked them who they wanted to see run. As I predicted before that part of the segment ran, they were all over the map.

Some of their observations were good and some of them made absolutely ridiculous remarks, but then that’s people for you..


59 posted on 02/08/2011 2:09:35 PM PST by prairiebreeze (Overweight guy to Moochelle Obama: "Where's Ben's Chili Bowl?")
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To: Free Vulcan

If all he does, is keep Huckabee out...he’s done a huge credit for the GOP & the country!


60 posted on 02/08/2011 2:45:46 PM PST by top 2 toe red (Not supporting a corrupt, Marxist, Socialist President makes me a racist?!? Then a racist I am!!!)
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To: OldDeckHand
Like I said elsewhere on this thread, I like everything I've seen from McDonnell so far, but I think he probably needs another four years as Governor under his belt before he's a truly credible Presidential candidate.

That said, I'm starting to realize that I'm saying "It's too early" for a lot of potential candidates that I'm genuinely impressed with. At the same time, I am mightily unimpressed with the pool of potential candidates who are "ready now". Now, that may be because these relative newcomers haven't yet had to actually govern for very long, with everything that entails, but I've also noticed that many of them are showing a lot better polish, political acumen, and grasp of the issues than are many of the more experienced candidates.

It doesn't look like I'm the only one thinking this, either. A recent article in Politico reported, "It’s almost as though there is more excitement over the deep pool of [GOP] vice presidential prospects than over the emerging roster of presidential candidates."

While I would normally find it both foolish and distasteful for someone to begin running for President less than two years after being elected Governor, this might just be the year to make an exception. Sometimes talent makes up for lack of experience better than experience makes up for lack of talent.
61 posted on 02/08/2011 3:03:30 PM PST by The Pack Knight (Laugh, and the world laughs with you. Weep, and the world laughs at you.)
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To: falkayn
Making a commitment to anybody at this stage of the game is stupid.

Hey, I'm with you. I'm involved with all this and I don't have a clue where I'll end up at the Straw Poll or the caucus next Feb. It's wide open as far as I'm concerned.

The one thing I do know with 100% certainty is that whichever Republican ends up with the nomination, will have my vote when it comes to choosing between our nominee and Obama!!

62 posted on 02/08/2011 3:05:43 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: toast
Corn farmers are a large voting block. Pushing ethanol was a one issue dealbreaker for most of them

That, sadly, is a great example of why we will never get spending under control. Every voting block has a spending or regulatory "deal breaker" and most politicians do not have the skill or will to override them.

63 posted on 02/08/2011 3:07:52 PM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("The time will come when Winter will ask you what you were doing all Summer" -- Henry Clay)
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To: bigred08
I like Tim Pawlenty. I think he is “conservative enough”, if that's the standard some are using. I've heard him speak and he seems down to earth. Was elected twice Governor of a state it would be great if the GOP could win. I know this isn't a great reason, but he's good looking, and to bubble brained Independents, that can make all the difference. You can see him a lot on Greta, because she's from Wisconsin and I think she likes promoting these mid-westerners. I'm not saying I'm all for him just yet, but I haven't seen anything disqualifying in my book.
64 posted on 02/08/2011 3:08:27 PM PST by MacMattico
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To: The Pack Knight
'I like everything I've seen from McDonnell so far, but I think he probably needs another four years as Governor "

This is where McDonnell is at a bit of a disadvantage. He's constrained by VA's established term limits for Governor, which prohibits a person from serving consecutive terms. Kind of stupid, I know. I think he can sit out a term, and then run again. But at that point, what's the benefit?

He's either going to have to challenge Webb in 2012 (with a year left on his original gubernatorial term, which won't go over well), or he'll have to wait until Warner is up for reelection in 2014 (I think).

65 posted on 02/08/2011 3:11:55 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
I'm with you in that whoever the nominee is gets my vote. Nothing could be worse then Obama!

But I don't think it's to early to find a candidate, there's a lot of money to be raised and planning to be done. My dad started promoting Reagan on the East Coast in the 1960’s!

66 posted on 02/08/2011 3:17:52 PM PST by MacMattico
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To: MacMattico
Do you have a favorite? I know who I don't want but I want the most conservative I can get who will take out Obama and I don't necessarily think we have to choose a "moderate" to defeat Obama.

Likability can go a long way.

67 posted on 02/08/2011 3:43:19 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Darren McCarty

Trump certainly has that problem as well. Some of that is probably due to the fact that most of his extensive business interests are in solidly “blue” states, so it is in his interest to be on friendly terms with Democrat politicians. The rest is due to the fact that, while he takes conservative positions on a lot of issues, he is certainly not what one would call an orthodox conservative or a Republican partisan.

It should be noted that, according to the data at your link, he has given a substantial amount to Republican candidates (there is an asterisk next to the amount of his total Republican donations, though I don’t know what that means). Also, he has given more money to “Special Interests” - i.e. “non-partisan” groups - than he has to Democrats, and almost all of those donations appear to be to conservative groups that in turn contribute to Republican campaigns.

Those Newsmeat breakdowns can be misleading. For example, if someone gave all of his donations to Sarah PAC, that pie chart would read 0% for “Republicans”, and 100% for “Special Interests”.

All that said, what I said was meant as an evaluation of his potential candidacy, not as an endorsement of it. Trump certainly isn’t my ideal candidate by any means (his apparent support of increased gun control is a serious problem for me); I just think he would be an interesting addition to the race, and that he might bring some refreshing perspective to the debate on economic issues.


68 posted on 02/08/2011 3:50:52 PM PST by The Pack Knight (Laugh, and the world laughs with you. Weep, and the world laughs at you.)
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To: The Pack Knight

Rudy is testing the waters.

http://gop12.thehill.com/2011/02/giuliani-scoping-out-new-hampshire.html


69 posted on 02/08/2011 4:35:56 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama:If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun (the REAL Arizona instigator))
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To: OldDeckHand
I wasn't aware of that. No wonder Virginia has so many ex-governors who are still active in politics.

Running against Warner in 2014 is probably the most logical move for him, perhaps with a view to running for President in 2016 if there is no Republican incumbent running. Some people might not like him running for a new job after only two years in the Senate, but by then he will have served Virginia in public office for 22 years - hardly the Obama fast track.

Unfortunately, guys like McDonnell show that our Presidential field kind of looks like the Cleveland Indians right now - deep farm system, but a Big League squad in the middle of a rebuilding cycle.
70 posted on 02/08/2011 4:43:20 PM PST by The Pack Knight (Laugh, and the world laughs with you. Weep, and the world laughs at you.)
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To: Free Vulcan

I could vote for Pawlenty, but Huckabee is a RINO!


71 posted on 02/08/2011 4:53:58 PM PST by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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To: Free Vulcan

Pawlenty, Huckabee, Romney and Gingrich will split the RINO vote four ways.


72 posted on 02/08/2011 5:58:55 PM PST by NavVet ("You Lie!")
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To: toast

Thanks Toast. I’m not familiar with Pawlenty. You make good points-people do learn from the past—nobody is good on all issues. An in-your face conservative who pisses off independents will have trouble getting elected. However being old and or boring (a la Bob Dole) won’t work either. A lot of voters just choose who ever they’d want to sleep with or drink a beer with. Maybe we need a good-looking non-boring “stealth” conservative (whoever that is?)


73 posted on 02/08/2011 7:56:31 PM PST by MillardFillmore
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To: bigred08

Sarah Palin is my choice


74 posted on 02/08/2011 8:28:18 PM PST by Friendofgeorge (Sarah Palin 2012 or bust)
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To: bigred08

Sarah Palin is my choice


75 posted on 02/08/2011 8:28:38 PM PST by Friendofgeorge (Sarah Palin 2012 or bust)
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To: toast
Thanks for this reply toast. I'm from MN too and I really like Pawlenty. I heard him speak in New Hampshire and Iowa last year and he was very good, and the crowd really liked what they heard. I think the fact he's VERY religious and VERY pro-life are big plusses for him, and one of the reasons I'm drawn to him.
76 posted on 02/08/2011 8:36:32 PM PST by ejdrapes (Some on the Right have jumped the shark over Egypt)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
I agree with that. I don't really have a favorite, but I wish I did. What I mean by that is no one jumps out at me and says definitively, “I am your candidate”. Yet. I like a lot of different characteristics of several individuals— I wish I could put those characteristics together into one! I am at the point where I would vote for just about any Republican candidate because I think that to have survived the primary, with a motivated tea party vote, there is no way that individual could be worse then Obama and his entourage of socialist, communist and uber- liberal czars and department heads. I also want to be realistic and want someone to run that is electable. So at this point in time, I guess I am personally looking for a candidate that has the foreign policy know how of a John Bolten, the likability and executive experience of a Tim Pawlenty, the ba**s of a Chris Christie and a Sarah Palin (I say this as a woman), the historical knowledge of a Newt Gingrich, I like David Patraeus; I even think Huckabee, Rudy Giuliani, Bobby Jindal and Romney to an extent have things going for them, although maybe not my first choice.

I'll just throw this one out there : Pawlenty/Bolten ‘12?

77 posted on 02/08/2011 9:36:44 PM PST by MacMattico
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To: STONEWALLS
...considering how Iowa swooned over Obama and launched his campaign, I have no confidence in their judgement...Republican or Democrat.

Iowa Republicans don't "swoon". Over Obama...or anybody else.

78 posted on 02/08/2011 9:51:53 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: editor-surveyor
Truman was responsible foe many of the failures, including in the Plilippines (sp),

When we invaded the Philippines, Truman was a senator from Missouri, campaigning to be elected VP.

Either Mac and Nimitz called a Missouri senator to receive their strategy directives, or, you fail history.

79 posted on 02/09/2011 6:58:02 AM PST by Notary Sojac (We have had three central banks in America's history: two of them failed and so will this one....)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

Huckabee is not running. He needs to once again do well in Iowa if he wants to get the nomination. He is not forming an organization or staff in Iowa. Also interesting, Palin is not organizinfg either.


80 posted on 02/09/2011 7:42:03 AM PST by cornfedcowboy (Trust in God, but empty the clip.)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
I've been hearing that. I have a hard time seeing another Giuliani campaign going anywhere. His performance in 2008 has really damaged his credibility as a national campaigner.

He is blaming his performance on his "Florida or Bust" strategy, and that actually does seem like the most proximate cause of his failure. He was leading in Florida in virtually every poll right up until the New Hampshire primary, and fell behind McCain and Romney almost immediately afterwards. Had he been successful in winning Florida then he would have been in a very strong position going into Super Tuesday, trailing only Romney in delegates.

If that is the case, then I actually don't think it reflects too poorly on him as a candidate. Having the Florida primary - a large, winner-take-all primary in an important General Election battleground state - two weeks before Super Tuesday was unprecedented, and there were a lot of reasons at the time to think that focusing on Florida to the exclusion of the other early states was a winning strategy. Hindsight being 20/20, it turned out to be the wrong strategy, but it's hard to blame him for trying it.

Of course, that wasn't the only reason he lost. While I don't think his liberal social positions were at all fatal to his campaign, they did contribute to its failure. For one thing, part of the reason he focused on Florida is that he didn't think he had a chance in socially conservative Iowa and South Carolina. Also, while I think it's clear that a lot of even socially conservative Republicans were willing to vote for Giuliani despite his positions, they were much less willing to do so when Giuliani stopped looking like a winner.

The big problem for him this time around is that, while he has learned his lesson and knows he has to win in Iowa or New Hampshire, it's going to be even harder for him to do that this time around. He still has the same problems with social conservatives in Iowa that he has always had, and Romney is dug in so deep in New Hampshire that he is going to be difficult for anyone to knock off there. Yeah, he could try South Carolina, but if history is any guide, South Carolina is important as a rubber match for the guys who won Iowa and New Hampshire, not as a place to save the campaign of someone who has won neither.

My guess is that Giuliani may well come to this conclusion himself before too long and decide not to run. I think he knows this is probably his last chance, and doesn't want to let it go by without testing the waters. Ultimately, though, Rudy is a smart guy and probably won't waste time or money on a futile campaign.
81 posted on 02/09/2011 9:39:06 AM PST by The Pack Knight (Laugh, and the world laughs with you. Weep, and the world laughs at you.)
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To: cornfedcowboy
I've already given money to Herman Cain, one of the few candidates in that field you listed, with the true guts & capability of directly taking on Obama. The lefties would have a real problem trying to play the race card in THAT match up!!

Top Ten Reasons to Support Herman Cain for President

82 posted on 02/09/2011 2:29:21 PM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: bigred08

Haven’t seen this mentioned, but I find it troubling that the electorate replaced Pawlenty with - of all people - Mark Dayton.

It seems he made absolutely no lasting impression on them as far as the important difference between parties and ideologies.

I would suggest to him, clean up your Minnesota “house” before entering national politics.


83 posted on 02/09/2011 2:32:34 PM PST by txrangerette ("...HOLD TO THE TRUTH; SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck -)
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To: ExSoldier

Put The Donald on a ticket with Herman Cain and the Dems will have NO CHANCE of winning any verbal battle!


84 posted on 02/09/2011 2:33:18 PM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: Free Vulcan

This guy has been running for President since he won the governorship in 2002. Totally NUT CASE ambition, ill concealed. And too PC, i.e., too political. He was McCain’s right-hand politicker in the 2008 run.


85 posted on 02/09/2011 3:09:31 PM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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