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Ohio Abortion Ban Hinges on Heartbeat (heartbeatbill.com)
Fox News ^ | 2/8/11

Posted on 02/08/2011 10:28:19 AM PST by ph12321

An unborn child's heartbeat can be detected as soon as 18 days after conception, and supporters of a bill slated to be unveiled in the Ohio Legislature Wednesday say that women should be prohibited from ending pregnancies beyond that milestone.

State Rep. Lynn Wachtmann is planning to unveil the "Heartbeat Bill" and a legislative aide for the Republican tells Fox News that 42 of the 99 representatives in the Ohio state House have signed on to the bill, which would make an exception to the heartbeat rule only in emergency medical situations.

According to 2009 data from the Ohio Department of Health, 56.6 percent of abortions in that state occur in the first nine weeks of pregnancy. And since the fetal heartbeat appears on monitors by six weeks into gestation in most cases, supporters of the bill believe that it could prevent thousands of abortions.

"When the Heartbeat Bill passes, it will be the most protective law in the nation," Janet Folger Porter, president of conservative advocacy group Faith2Action, said in a release. Porter helped craft the bill, and was also instrumental in passing the nation's first ban in partial-birth abortion when she was legislative director of Ohio Right to Life.

While the legislation must still be proposed in the state Senate and a court challenge could derail the plan, advocates for the bill hope that if the Ohio measure is successful, other states will follow suit with similar laws. A website created to tout the bill urges supporters to send heart-shaped balloons to the governor and state representatives by Valentine's Day. A music video on the site features babies dancing to the tune of Nena's "99 Red Balloons" -- retooled with pro-life lyrics.

But pro-choice group NARAL has equated the bill to "political interference" into a private medical issue...

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Heartbeatbill.com genius plan!
1 posted on 02/08/2011 10:28:25 AM PST by ph12321
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To: ph12321

Glad to see someone is using their thinking cap there....


2 posted on 02/08/2011 10:31:44 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: ph12321
But pro-choice group NARAL has equated the bill to "political interference" into a private medical issue...

Maybe I'm naive, but it seems to me a lot of laws are "political interference" into private issues - like Obamacare, domestic violence laws, owning or not owning firearms, etc.

3 posted on 02/08/2011 10:32:07 AM PST by knittnmom (Save the earth! It's the only planet with chocolate!)
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To: knittnmom

...not to mention what food we can eat or what light bulbs we can now use.


4 posted on 02/08/2011 10:34:37 AM PST by Blue Turtle
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To: ph12321

I hope it passes. It makes the most sense of any anti-abortion law so far - one would have to be very cold indeed to deny that a distinct heartbeat does not indicate the presence of a distinct and separate life.


5 posted on 02/08/2011 10:35:55 AM PST by knittnmom (Save the earth! It's the only planet with chocolate!)
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To: knittnmom

Point that fact out to them and you will just get the thousand yard stare for a few seconds then insulted because it’s all they have to fall back on...


6 posted on 02/08/2011 10:36:05 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: ph12321
This is exactly the sort of law which would save millions of unborn kids.

But because it does not define life as of the instant of conception, will the pro-life movement treat it with contempt??

7 posted on 02/08/2011 10:59:17 AM PST by Notary Sojac (We have had three central banks in America's history: two of them failed and so will this one....)
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To: ph12321; Faith; DrDeb; Molly Pitcher; DollyCali
This is brilliant.

I am PROUD to be an Ohioan!

May God be the strength and power behind this life saving bill!

8 posted on 02/08/2011 11:06:34 AM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star winner!)
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To: Abathar
Ask them if they believe patients have rights. They'll always say yes. Ask them why then do doctors perform surgery on fetuses if they are not living beings? Oh, and didn't they just say that patients have rights?

9 posted on 02/08/2011 11:10:59 AM PST by TSgt (Colonel Allen West & Michele Bachman - 2012 POTUS Dream Team Ticket!)
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To: ph12321

Full of the “D’uh Factor” but I support it!! May God end the Unborn/Newborn Holocaust within my lifetime!!!


10 posted on 02/08/2011 11:12:17 AM PST by pillut48 (Israel doesn't have a friend in President Obama...and neither does the USA! (h/t pgkdan))
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To: ph12321

“An unborn child’s heartbeat can be detected as soon as 18 days after conception, and supporters of a bill slated to be unveiled in the Ohio Legislature Wednesday say that women should be prohibited from ending pregnancies beyond that milestone.”

I completely agree with this bill and I am one that believes any law making abortion illegal should have the usual mentioned exceptions. All of those exceptions would be covered within the 18 day period.


11 posted on 02/08/2011 11:13:06 AM PST by Grunthor (Enemy of the state)
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To: Notary Sojac

“But because it does not define life as of the instant of conception, will the pro-life movement treat it with contempt??”

I am betting yes.


12 posted on 02/08/2011 11:14:43 AM PST by Grunthor (Enemy of the state)
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To: ohioWfan
May God be the strength and power behind this life saving bill!

Amen! Hallelujah!

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13 posted on 02/08/2011 11:16:16 AM PST by Faith
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To: Notary Sojac
But because it does not define life as of the instant of conception, will the pro-life movement treat it with contempt??

No, at least not in the main. I think the great majority will recognize that this bill represents such a huge step forward in saving the lives of the unborn that they will support this.

I hear your concern, and I have great disdain for the incurable dogmatists who seize upon every opportunity to make Better the enemy of Best, but I really believe that the particulars of this bill are so straightforward, and understandable that it will win the agreement of all but the most insensible of them.

When we consider 18 days — scarcely three weeks — against the full 40 week human gestational period, what we see that we're talking about is a bill that extends the protection of the Law to unborn people for nearly 94% of their time in the womb, and I don't think anyone can credibly argue against protecting 94% of the unborn lives in in Ohio on the basis that it's "only" 94% and not 100%.

That isn't an "argument," in my book; its a failing grade on an IQ test.

14 posted on 02/08/2011 11:17:16 AM PST by HKMk23 (WANT DIFFERENT? VOTE DIFFERENT!)
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To: ph12321
"Political Interference"??

Fits right up there with Obama's "previable fetuses" instead of using the word "BABIES"...

That's a new meme to me, the latest I've seen is "Oh, yeah? Abortion kills babies BUT conservatives don't care what happens to them after they're born, it's better and more humane to take care of the problem BEFORE that happens!"

How can people (many with their OWN children!!) be so callous and cold about another LIFE??? :*(

Fetal Development Week 6 (Pregnancy Health Guru)
15 posted on 02/08/2011 11:20:45 AM PST by pillut48 (Israel doesn't have a friend in President Obama...and neither does the USA! (h/t pgkdan))
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To: Grunthor
Who in the pro-life movement would treat the saving of thousands of lives with contempt?

Who have you been talking to to think that?

16 posted on 02/08/2011 11:23:50 AM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star winner!)
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To: HKMk23
That isn't an "argument," in my book; its a failing grade on an IQ test.

Well said!

I don't believe any credible pro-lifer would look down on this bill.

17 posted on 02/08/2011 11:26:03 AM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star winner!)
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To: ohioWfan

I’ve seen it here on FR several times in the battles between the “Constitutional Amendment” folks and the “Overturn Roe” folks. I am surprised that you haven’t seen those arguments.


18 posted on 02/08/2011 11:26:17 AM PST by Grunthor (Enemy of the state)
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To: Grunthor
I was referring to legitimate pro-life people, not anonymous argumentative posters on FR.

I guess the original statement seemed too broad to me. Of course some freepers will be critical of this. Some freepers are mad at the world and critical of everything. I don't count them in the definition of the greater pro-life movement. They're an anomole.

IMO, no legitimate pro-lifer will look at this bill with disdain.

19 posted on 02/08/2011 11:32:42 AM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star winner!)
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To: ph12321
An unborn child's heartbeat can be detected as soon as 18 days after conception...... And since the fetal heartbeat appears on monitors by six weeks into gestation in most cases, supporters of the bill believe that it could prevent thousands of abortions.

So which is it? 18 days or 42 days? This article does not make clear how the bill is written. 42 days would get more votes than 18 days, IMO.

20 posted on 02/08/2011 11:35:35 AM PST by Nonstatist
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To: HKMk23
There are a hard core of dogmatists here on FR who fantasize that they can elect a President who will send the US Marshals in to close every abortion clinic in America, ten seconds after the oath of office is finished on January 20.

I honestly believe they would rather have another thirty years of the current abortion rate, rather than vote for a compromise which would reduce abortions by 90+ percent.

And such a compromise would NOT rule out the possibility of working on the remaining few percent.

21 posted on 02/08/2011 11:36:28 AM PST by Notary Sojac (We have had three central banks in America's history: two of them failed and so will this one....)
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To: ph12321

I am glad to see that the law will finally make people accountable for their actions. Pregnancy is no accident, it’s what is supposed to happen if you decide to have sex with a person.


22 posted on 02/08/2011 11:37:24 AM PST by Jessica2677 (S.O.S.)
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To: ph12321

Let us pray that this passes.

Other states need to propose similar measures!


23 posted on 02/08/2011 11:45:06 AM PST by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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To: ohioWfan
IMO, no legitimate pro-lifer will look at this bill with disdain.

According to article, two people who used to run Ohio Right To Life are working on passing the bill, while the current leader of ORTL is against it. Maybe he (current leader of Ohio Right To Life) is against it, for his own job security? That's the only thing that (sadly) makes any sense...
24 posted on 02/08/2011 12:00:38 PM PST by ph12321 (We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

FYI


25 posted on 02/08/2011 12:09:22 PM PST by Whenifhow
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To: ph12321

doesn’t brainwave activity determine medical death?

why not the same for birth?


26 posted on 02/08/2011 12:16:45 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: ohioWfan

“IMO, no legitimate pro-lifer will look at this bill with disdain”

On that we agree.


27 posted on 02/08/2011 12:35:20 PM PST by Grunthor (Enemy of the state)
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To: Notary Sojac
But because it does not define life as of the instant of conception, will the pro-life movement treat it with contempt??

Some will, but those of us with a brain will look at it as a big step in the right direction. Just as God knew Jeremiah even before He formed him in the womb, so he knows us all.

Many of us get some comfort from knowing, as C.S. Lewis said "You don't have a soul, you are a soul. You have a body." When a child of God is aborted, the child gets an express trip to Heaven without the layover most of us have to abide by.

28 posted on 02/08/2011 12:48:35 PM PST by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: ph12321
Unfortunately, politics and power corrupt. And yes, it sadly makes sense.

For anyone claiming to be pro-life to be opposed to this significant step in saving lives, there must be other factors involved. It's tragic that keeping one's job may be among them.

29 posted on 02/08/2011 1:05:04 PM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star winner!)
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To: ph12321
They put out a really wonderful music video with happy dancing babies.

http://www.heartbeatbill.com/

...and here are the words so you can sing along:

Some time ago, we don't know why
The court ruled
to make babies cry
But now we can stop their decree
And protect children like me

When they hear our hearts, they'll care
Send the message
"Someone's in there!"
Show them that we are alive
with 99 red heart ball
oons for life!

99 red heart balloons
Floating in the winter sky
Wouldn't it be really neat?
To protect us from
our first heartbeat?
Ohio babies spring to life
Opens up one eager eye
Focusing it on the sky
Where 99 red heart balloons go by

99 on High Street
Where 99 State Reps meet
The heartless worry, we must scurry
Call the troops out in a hurry
This is what we've waited for
This is it boys, win the war!
The governor is on the line
As 99 red heart balloons go by

Now you can be a voice for me
And send them something they will see
You can be a super-hero
Have a heart – don't let them kill!
Help us pass the Heartbeat Bill
Come on now, give it a try
Our delivery's drawing nigh
As 99 red heart balloons go by
As 99 red heart balloons go by

Will you be a voice for me?
And help us make history?
When we defeat the heartless ones,
I'll give you lots and lots of hugs
Then it will be really great
To protect kids in your state
So please send a red balloon
Think of me, please don't say no!



30 posted on 02/08/2011 1:10:47 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (B-b-b-b-baby!)
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To: Notary Sojac

The abortuaries would have to close. As it is, they have trouble keeping nurses. If their revenues dropped 90%, they couldn’t pay staff. And even Judas insisted on his thirty pieces of silver.

Of course, the abortuary supporters have no qualms about taking other people’s money. But few of them will choose to spend their own money to pay idle abortionists.


31 posted on 02/08/2011 1:33:50 PM PST by bIlluminati (Don't just hope for change, work for change in 2011-2012.)
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To: bIlluminati

Tune in to CSpan 2. Now. Taking up abortion.


32 posted on 02/08/2011 1:37:44 PM PST by RitaOK
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To: ph12321

Unfortunately I don’t see it happening because of legal challenges and court decisions against it, but it would be great if it did.


33 posted on 02/08/2011 1:50:46 PM PST by prairiebreeze (Overweight guy to Moochelle Obama: "Where's Ben's Chili Bowl?")
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To: ADemocratNoMore; Akron Al; arbee4bush; agrace; Badeye; Bikers4Bush; BlindedByTruth; bonfire; ...

Ohio Pings!

To be added to the Ohio Ping List,
please freepmail LasVegasDave.

34 posted on 02/08/2011 2:41:10 PM PST by Las Vegas Dave ("Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican." Ronald Reagan)
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To: ph12321

Wow, this is great news!


35 posted on 02/08/2011 3:16:47 PM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (When evolution is outlawed, only outlaws will believe in abject nonsense.)
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To: Notary Sojac

By the illogic of the dogmatists, then, nobody should have done anything to help any of the Jews escape during WWII, because their methods could not enable them all to escape?

I understand that if we deal with something once in the Legislative Branch, there will be twice the resistance if we go back and try to address that same issue again anytime soon, and I understand that creates an intense desire to take as much ground on an issue in the first effort.

But, I marvel that people fail to see that even a 10% victory on abortion would save 400 unborn lives every single day in America, and are — by all indications — willing to continue sacrificing all 4000 lives every day until they find a way to save them all in one sweeping change.

How much blood do pro-life dogmatists have on their own heads owing to their stubborn refusal to stand up and support every opportunity to gain partial victories on this issue?

I will, however, caution that this line of reasoning is not applicable to those who catagorically refuse to ever vote for anyone who is not demonstrably pro-life. Imaintain that there is a difference between rejecting a given piece of compromise legislation that represents a real shot at a partial win, and rejecting a compromising candidate. In the first case, the possibility of victory is imminent; the legislation is in play, and support could effect its passage, which would actually save lives. In the second case, there is no immediate, life-saving benefit that is being rejected; only a philosophy that is willing to negotiate the absolute right to life.

What sort of leader — and what moral vacuity — is embodied in a candidate who has an easier time speaking in absolute terms about economic policy than in absolute terms about the transcendant right to life?? I fault no man for withholding his vote from such a candidate; the candidate is a moral cripple, and unfit for office in our Constitutional Republic; founded, as it is, upon the idea that men possess certain, unalienable rights that devolve to him from a transcendant, immutable source of moral certitude.

Or would we have men of uncertain convictions attempting to uphold that which our Constitution deems certain?? Indeed, this is exactly what we have had, and we see where it has taken us; how near to ruin we have come. So, as it is a moral failure to reject legislation that really would save lives, so it is also a moral failure to support a candidate who holds man’s right to life in such low regard as to be willing to compromise it.

So, if we would restore the Right to Life to its plce of Primacy (and we must, lest we be irrecoverably lost), then we must elect absolutists, forcing all moral compromise to arise from the other side of the aisle; and we must make the most of every partial legislative victory, taking ground at every crevice of opportunity to do so.


36 posted on 02/08/2011 4:31:05 PM PST by HKMk23 (WANT DIFFERENT? VOTE DIFFERENT!)
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To: ph12321
But pro-choice group NARAL has equated the bill to "political interference" into a private medical issue...

Murder, a "private medical issue".

37 posted on 02/08/2011 4:46:42 PM PST by frogjerk (I believe in unicorns, fairies and pro-life Democrats.)
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To: ohioWfan

Thanks for the ping . . . and you’re right, this is BRILLIANT!


38 posted on 02/08/2011 5:35:02 PM PST by DrDeb
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To: Nonstatist
I was 3 and a half weeks pregnant when I had a sonogram and saw my daughter's heartbeat. My husband almost fell over in amazement when you could see the tiny heart beating in a child they told us was at the time the size of a grain of rice! I had the sonogram that early due to a medical issue I had that I won't go into, but everything was fine. The doctor told us there was a 75% chance that we could see the heartbeat that early.
39 posted on 02/08/2011 10:09:19 PM PST by MacMattico
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To: ph12321

mark


40 posted on 02/09/2011 1:59:30 AM PST by ratsreek
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To: HKMk23
How much blood do pro-life dogmatists have on their own heads owing to their stubborn refusal to stand up and support every opportunity to gain partial victories on this issue?

Very little, I should imagine, since practically every "partial victory" is immediately overturned by the Death Eater courts. I'd like to know of a specific instance in which a law was defeated by "pro-life dogmatists" in one jurisdiction, while being passed and upheld by courts in another.

41 posted on 02/09/2011 4:55:19 AM PST by Tax-chick (It's a non-optional social convention, okay?)
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To: Nonstatist

“Six weeks into gestation” means around four weeks after conception (gestation is deemed to begin after the mother’s last menses, which is around two weeks prior to ovulation). But I’m not sure why they imply that the fetal heartbeat is first detected by ultrasound six weeks into gestation; ultrasound detected my oldest daughter’s heartbeat around two weeks after conception (in fact, all you could see in the ultrasound was the flickering heartbeat).


42 posted on 02/09/2011 5:18:27 AM PST by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: HKMk23

Greetings HKMk23:

Well said.

The left is giddy with each and every fiber hacked from the tree of liberty; mindful that even the mightiest tree, when given enough hatchet blows, eventually falls.

We ought to celebrate this minor pro-life victory. And remind ourselves that we are merely resting at a milestone. We’re upon the moral clarity path, restoring the sanctity of life in Ohio is the endpoint.

Cheers,
OLA


43 posted on 02/09/2011 5:31:09 AM PST by OneLoyalAmerican (In God I trust, all others cite your source.)
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To: HKMk23
I believe that if we put the question of abortion up to a national referendum, we would get something like:

- No abortions for convenience or birth control.
- First trimester abortions for rape, incest, or terminal birth defects (i.e. anencphaly) are permitted.
- The morning-after pill is OK.

The question is, is this acceptable, as an intermediate objective, while we pursue the eventual goal of not killing any of the unborn?

To me the answer is a conclusive "yes", because achieving a total ban on abortion will require the one-to-one changing of tens of millions of American hearts and minds, and I prefer to allow the killing of as few babies as possible while that process is underway.

44 posted on 02/09/2011 7:31:23 AM PST by Notary Sojac (We have had three central banks in America's history: two of them failed and so will this one....)
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To: Grunthor

you are right.. look at what happened here in CO when that type of bill was introduced. It went down in flames because conception isn’t where the fight needs to be taken. I stated that if a heartbeat bill was introduced, we had a better chance during the mid-terms and got flamed here because too many people here want it outlawed altogether instead of incrementally... which is where it needs to start. In small increments like this.


45 posted on 02/09/2011 9:41:37 AM PST by killermedic (Git some, baby)
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To: Notary Sojac

“But because it does not define life as of the instant of conception, will the pro-life movement treat it with contempt??”

No.


46 posted on 02/09/2011 9:48:27 AM PST by MichaelCorleone (Sarah Palin is America's Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Grunthor

*“But because it does not define life as of the instant of conception, will the pro-life movement treat it with contempt??”*

“I am betting yes.”

For what it’s worth, I just got off the phone with some of the local pro-life leadership and all I got was cheering. At the national level it remains to be seen. But in my corner of the world it seems a lot of people like it.


47 posted on 02/09/2011 9:57:06 AM PST by MichaelCorleone (Sarah Palin is America's Margaret Thatcher)
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To: MichaelCorleone

Good.


48 posted on 02/09/2011 10:01:04 AM PST by Grunthor (Enemy of the state)
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To: Tax-chick

I don’t know that there’s an instance of any partial victory on abortion being defeated by people backing an all-or-nothing pro-life view. What I DO know is manifest in a quite pointed question asked by Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia. He said, “I am against abortion, but where is the moral outcry in America?”

Imagine it: a Judge in the highest Court in this country chastising The Church on an issue where the voice of The Church should be drowning out all others, but isn’t, and I think that this is how the courts have come to think that they have cover when they overturn the partial victories they have.

So, It’s not so much direct opposition to partial victory that has cost lives, but the perception of merely lukewarm support.


49 posted on 02/09/2011 10:04:51 AM PST by HKMk23 (WANT DIFFERENT? VOTE DIFFERENT!)
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To: knittnmom

It’s a good first step.

;’}


50 posted on 02/09/2011 10:07:05 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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