Skip to comments.Sen. Jim Webb won't run for reelection in 2012 (D-VA)
Posted on 02/09/2011 8:49:28 AM PST by Hawk720
Sen. James Webb (D-Va.) has announced that he will not run for reelection in 2012.
Webb's decision, long anticipated by many in Virginia politics, will make his seat more difficult to hold for his party. Ex-Sen. George Allen (R), who lost the seat in 2006 to Webb, is running to win it back, and a handful of other GOP candidates are also running. Some Democrats hope ex-Gov. Tim Kaine will decide to run for the seat, but he has given no indication yet that he is interested.
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Don’t count your chickens before they’ve hatched.
Kaine couldn’t lift the rat candidates last year because nobody could lift them. The rats centered their resources in states they had a chance of holding onto, VA not being one of them. Remember, they already had the results of the VA gubernatorial race as a reference. If Kaine runs, the rat machine will be churning powerfully for him, and it’ll be more than the state machine. The DC machine will be deployed for him as well. And don’t forget that there are a lot of blacks in VA, and the rats will get a huge turnout. He has the heft within the party to demand it. The fact that Webb is out means it’s highly likely that Kaine has already been selected and the machine is revving up as we speak.
George Allen cannot put together a fulsome enough base to beat him. It will take someone fresh and powerful to beat Kaine.
Anybody who thinks ‘12 will be a repeat of ‘10 for us is either hallucinating or simply doesn’t understand politics. There will be many defensive contests to fight. We may run the table if we do everything right every step of the way starting NOW, but a sitting prez is very hard to beat and 60 seats in the Senate will prove a bridge too far. We’ll get 54-55 and it will be a very divided Senate philosophically. We’ll hold the House but it will be tough to maintain this large a majority. If we don’t nominate an absolutely superb candidate, we will not take the WH. Obama has a tremendous amount of money and astonishingly powerful people and entities backing him. In fact, if they don’t pull it together within the next 6 weeks, they may have already damned us for ‘12 and, therefore, forevermore.
We are in the fight of our lives NOW. So far, the pubs we worked so hard to elect last year are proving unequal to the task we gave them. That bodes very poorly for success in ‘12. If we lose that election and Obama is given four years of free reign over this country, we’re done. Finito. Stick a fork in America.
The fight is on NOW. We should have armies doing opposition research and devising methods of defeating rat vote fraud NOW. We should be beating the bushes looking for the best candidates and vetting, vetting, vetting NOW. Most of all, we should be laying down the law to Boehner, Cantor, Ryan and the rest of them and bugging them night and day relentlessly.
Webb is a classless oaf. He looks like a pig and every red-cheeked bully who got his ass whupped.
oops. For the above post, the following sentence should be at the end of the second to last paragraph instead of before it (makes no sense where it is):
“In fact, if they dont pull it together within the next 6 weeks, they may have already damned us for 12 and, therefore, forevermore.”
There others but the Dems will probably try to talk the most recent former governor, Tim Kaine, into running. There's at least one more relatively young former GOP governor besides Allen. Not sure who else is on the political scene in VA.
Yes, I agree. Virginia needs a very strong GOP candidate in order to flip this seat.
A very strong GOP candidate for president will also help.
Lets hope and pray things fall in place.
Wonderful idea. . . then on to the Presidency!
Really? Good, I was worried for a sec they may have a better chance with him than with Webb.
Thank you for that information.
Amen! Thank you for that information.
“whomever you end up running against...”
LOL! Sometimes I forget that it is neither “I” nor “we” who will be running.
Plummz, you're just arguing now to argue. He's known the guy for 25 years. It means that he has a heck of a lot better idea of what makes him tick than you or I do.
If you told me you personally knew Ronald Reagan for 25 years, then I'd pay attention to what you have to say about RR more than I would someone who did not have such a relationship.
In fact, it would be helpful now to have known you for 25 years. I'd have some insight into whether you're the type of guy who likes to argue just to argue.
Hey, CS -
heard the news abt Webb last night and couldn’t be happier...agree that the M-word is old news and Allen should (hopefully) cruise.
My son ran Corey Stewart’s re-election campaign 3-4 years ago but went IT afterward and is now working in Houston, TX behind a computer.
He has decided he wants more “excitement”, wants to get back to VA and wants to get back into politics...
Do you think the Allen campaign could use him? He’s still in touch with old campaign contacts and is working that but, seeing your exchange here, thought I’d take advantage of the forum and make a query.
He’s pretty well known in VA political circles but it’s been a while...any ideas??? Gin of matginzac
You mean the huge machine that kept the Governor's Mansion in Virginia in 2009...oh...
Or the huge machine that kept the Dem majority on the Virginai congressional delegation in 2010...oh...
Or the huge machine that kept Nancy Pelosi in the speaker's chair?
Republicans are pratically begging for Kaine to be the nominee. He tried for four years to get a transportation tax increase, shut down the rest areas to prove it was needed. And when an audit was done it was found that he was sitting on billions of dollars at VDOT.
Kaine was successful in NONE of his legislative initiatives. He's been a failure at DNC.
The GOP won't have to hire someone to DO opposition research but to catalogue it all.
So which campaign are you working for? You show up here in December of 2010. Jump on this thread with multiple posts.
Who is writing your paycheck? Because I can tell you this, you’re wrong in your assessment of Kaine and of Allen.
And Ken Cuccinelli isn’t running for Senate.
In Virginia? Nope.
There's former Governor Jim Gilmore who lost to former Governor Mark Warner in 2008. Gilmore is the President of Free Congress now. Then there's Kaine.
There's no other "young" former Governor out there. The only other living former Governors are Holton, Baliles, Robb and Wilder. Thinking of someone else?
I’d have him just re-up his contacts. I don’t know that the Allen team is gearing up beyond just a few consultants at this point. And, of course, Stewart is running as well...
Ok, thanks -
I have some folks I know locally so might bark up that tree, too....
As for Corey, well, there’s a story...
I’m not above asking you to freepmail me the story.
One of their statewide leaders, Jamie Radtke from Richmond, is an announced candidate for the US Senate and has been embraced by the Tea Party caucus in DC.
I don't think Allen is gettting Tea Party support in the primary.
send your son to Iowa for the summer. (but most peopel in polytics are really jus unemplyed)
Thanx - and he’d go to Iowa if he thought he’d like it - he’s got a job and has no prob getting another (he’s an IT whiz), it’s just boring and, being a good conservative, is getting excited about the pending possibilities for the future so wants in...
hope you dun’t git any flak frum unemploied polyticers...
Glad that Webb is leaving
That depends. There's some disagreement in some of the Tea Party ranks about supporting Radtke. They may not go for Allen, but her support from the TP is not at 100%.
His appeals to an alleged friendship don’t invalidate anything I’ve posted on this thread.
No, your posts invalidate themselves without my help.
As to an “alleged friendship,” not quite. I followed his career in the House of Delegates, volunteered for his 1993 campaign, worked in his Administration (as did my wife), volunteered for his 2000 and 2006 campaigns. And I’ve been waiting for this moment since November, 2006.
So, I speak as someone who knows the man. Knows the people who were at the event that day. Knows the story and the back story of what happened. And someone who knows how it played out in the media.
I haven’t based any of my opinions on what I read in the Washington Post.
Should you tell me that you still don’t like him, I really don’t care.
It’s not hard to get, Corin. If he doesn’t get it, it’s his loss. As in the discussion in the Calvin wars, sometimes it’s best just to move on.
IIRC, Allen at one point said he meant to say “Mohawk” about the fellow (he had a mohawk) that had been stalking him and the word just came out wrong - to yes, a more or less made up word, at least to him.
That explanation made sense to me - I don’t know if it’s true, it came from the WAPO
Great, so you have approximately zero special insight into anything. I’ve seen the guy around too. Doesn’t change what happened. He did a couple admirable things as governor and was rather undistinguished as a Senator.
Everything I’ve posted remains accurate. Your emotional investment in wishing otherwise doesn’t make it so.
Looks quite promising!
What difference does it make when I joined? I mean, really. How silly.
If the GOP that we just elected don’t start showing more cajones than we’ve seen thus far, we’re not going to get rid of obastard in ‘12. Turnout will be as proportionately underwhelming as the GOP performance.
The only person we know of for sure who is running for the VA senate seat so far is Allen. You don’t know if Cucinelli won’t run. Neither do I and I didn’t say he was. I just hope he does, and I’m not the only one who’s mentioned him.
Look at Allen’s senate voting record. If you think he’s going to impress the same Tea Party type voters that turned out and carried the election last year, you haven’t been paying attention.
I haven’t seen any rules that limit the number of posts a member can write on any given thread. When I feel strongly about something, I speak out. Instead of attacking me, why don’t you more fully address what I said. But if you want to just sit back fat, dumb and happy basking in last year’s election results, you’d be talking to the wrong person. Over confidence will be enemy #1 for the GOP come ‘12. It’s up to you if you want to be part of that problem or not.
RICHMOND - Virginia Sen. George Allen apologized Monday for what his opponent's campaign said were demeaning and insensitive comments the senator made to a 20-year-old volunteer of Indian descent.
Asked what macaca means, Allen said: "I don't know what it means." He said the word sounds similar to "mohawk," a term that his campaign staff had nicknamed Sidarth because of his haircut. Sidarth said his hairstyle is a mullet - tight on top, long in the back.
Not my words....
Simply that when you've been here as long as some of us, you recognize a pattern of trolls. Your consecutive posts appeared to be spammish. If they weren't, my apologies.
And no, Allen is not the only one for sure. Jamie Radtke declared in December. Corey Stewart has all but announced. Bishop E.W. Jackson has done the same.
And Cuccinelli has said he's not interested. I don't see that changing. He's not likely to give up the legal challenges to Obamacare to wage another campaign. Not yet, anyway.
No one is over confident. But you seemed to want to declare Kaine the automatic winner if he just decides to step in. That is far, far, far from the truth.
And, I can assure you, I'm not sitting back at all.
The blogger is wrong.
What people forget is the rat machine, and Kaine has the machine at his disposal as head of the DNC. He has all the markers to call in that he needs, all the money he needs, and all the control he needs. He has a great deal of behind-the-scene power.
Reid should not have won in NV, but he did, and that was because of the rat machine. I’m not saying Kaine can’t be beaten, but it’s no cakewalk, to be sure. I think when people consider these races, the only think about what voters like themselves want. They neglect to consider exactly what and how powerful the rat machine is. Think about this: if the rat machine wasn’t a political powerhouse - the orcs of the political world - the left wing hijackers of that party could not possibly have raised and held the level of power they have because their platform and message are abhorrent to American values and traditions. Yet they managed to take control of both houses of congress and the WH.
They should NOT be underestimated. I see people on this forum all the time pointing to this or that article that bouys people’s spirits but they never prove true. It’s all just feel-good tripe, back-slapping and self-congratulation. The reality is quite different. The left controls most of our institutions now, as impossible as that seems for America. My God, look at what they’re doing to the military. If they can control that, well, you see my point.
If you read a sampling of my posts generally, you would see that I’m not a troll. Perhaps that should be undertaken BEFORE the innuendo. If you don’t want to take the time to do that, perhaps you should deny self-gratification by just refraining from the innuendo.
I haven’t declared Kaine the winner. Others have said that Allen would walk away with it if it’s Allen vs. Kaine. Hardly true. The right never wants to consider how powerful the rat machine is. Kaine is head of the DNC. He has carte blanche as far as political favors, access, power networks and money are concerned. Reid shouldn’t have won, but he did because of the rat machine. Same for Bennett.
As for Cucinelli, most pols don’t want to say early on if they’re considering running. Cucinelli might decide he can fight deathcare in the senate if he has someone as earnest and capable as he is to go forward in his stead against deathcare on the state level front. Most likely though he has his heart set on the governor’s office, which is the preferred destination of most state AGs because it provides the executive experience needed to get to the WH. The governor’s office is always a clearer path to the top than through the senate. At any rate, not once have I said that I think Cucinelli will run. I just WISH he would. There’s a lot to like about him and he is a good example of the kind of candidates we need, not damaged goods and retreads. By contrast, George Allen shot himself in the foot with both barrels by apologizing over and over and over again about the macaca thing for weeks, which allowed the leftist slimestream media to destroy his candidacy, which shows me that he’s a typical dim-witted GOP pol lacking the spine to not knuckle under to media pressure by telling them to piss off. Instead, he tried to appease them. Appeasement NEVER works with an enemy that seeks your complete destruction as opposed to a reasonable person or entity just seeking an explanation. In other words, Allen is a weak sister and the rat machine would chew him up and spit him out in one bite with Kaine as their candidate.
I’m glad to hear you’re not sitting back expecting ‘12 to be easy because we did so well in ‘10. That will not be the case because it’s a prez cycle election. The right is fond of saying that obastard is another Carter so his chances of being re-elected are slim. In some respects his performance is a lot lack Carter’s - actually much worse. But there is a huge difference between the two ELECTORALLY. Those differences are organization, leftist rat control of institutions and balkinazation of racial and boutique special interests pressure.
Don’t Re-Tread On Me!!
That would kind of be like stalking...or trolling. I don't do that.
I havent declared Kaine the winner.
No, but you did say Allen will lose to Kaine.
The rest of your remarks, and probably subsequent ones, don't warrant my time. I learned a long time ago that I'll never convince any of the armchair pundits here on FR to change their mind. After all, every Freeper is the smartest Freeper.
So, believe what you will. Post what you will.
I'm needed elsewhere.
“I’m needed elsewhere.”
That’s good news.
Reading a sampling of posts would be stalking/trolling but looking at someone’s join date to suggest they’re a troll isn’t? You pick and choose part of the picture that you think supports a bizarre rationale that I must be a troll to be saying what I said and make a lame excuse to ignore the rest of the picture. If looking at someone’s posts or join date was stalking or trolling, they wouldn’t both be available with one click.
Your arguments don’t hang together, as I just demonstrated. That’s why you can’t change anyone’s mind.
Heh. I read some more of this thread. Now I get it. You were part of Allen’s loss to Webb and you need vindication/validation/revenge. You’ve got SLS (Sore Loser Syndrome). That’s why you’re jumping on anybody who either isn’t crazy about Allen or else thinks he won’t beat Kaine if he’s the rat candidate.
Iowa straw poll in Ames is only 6 months away ... who is your son’s choice for Prez? Des Moines is wonderful in the spring/summer.
I will not be going. Staying on the east coast ... but I just thought of an idea.
There's hardly enough of a collective mind left on this site to bother trying to change.
Believe as you will.
He hasn’t expressed a preference as of yet...he’s a conservative (fiscal as well as social) so whoever gets that prize, he’ll support. But I do think he’d rather be involved on a state level rather than a national effort, at least in the beginning.
Nice to have your interest...
that’s why I love Freepers...good people, for the most part.
+4 for control +13 to fillibuster proof.