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Dozens of U.S. ( Democrat )Cities Lose Half Their Population In A Generation...
Manufacturing and Technology News ^ | March 31, 2010 | Richard A. McCormack

Posted on 02/09/2011 10:10:39 AM PST by Leisler

"Dozens of American cities throughout the industrial Great Lakes states and Midwest have lost half of their populations over the course of one generation -- places like Cleveland, Youngstown, Detroit, Warren, Buffalo and Flint. This is the first time that so many cities have lost half of their populations in such a short amount of time since the Plague struck Europe in 1348........."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; US: Michigan; US: New York; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: blue; buffalo; californians; cleveland; democrat; democrats; detroit; flint; liberalinvaders; liberalplague; liberals; massholes; michigan; newhampshire; newyork; ohio; progressives; socialism; vermont; warren; youngstown
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To: MCCC

The tough part for me is that even if it were full of conservatives, I’d still hate big city living.


51 posted on 02/09/2011 12:17:52 PM PST by RockinRight (if the choice is between Crazy and Commie, I choose Crazy.)
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To: ml/nj

Cleveland and East Cleveland are different cities.

http://www.city.cleveland.oh.us/CityofCleveland/Home/Government/MayorsOffice


52 posted on 02/09/2011 12:18:35 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Vigilanteman

We agree on DDT, but I reflect on the fact our Nation erradicated many disease’s within our borders once upon a time, and now after many years of Leftist influence upon our immigration laws, and lack of enforcement of those laws, etc. we see many of those diseases returning to our society.


53 posted on 02/09/2011 12:31:23 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: RockinRight

“How could a city with no Republicans be screwed by Republicans?”

You have to think like a liberal. If Republicans exist at any level, they’ve screwed the working man.

So, if the local politicians are all D’s, blame the R’s at the state or federal level.

Facts are pesky things, so liberals ignore them.


54 posted on 02/09/2011 12:34:43 PM PST by brownsfan (D - swift death of the republic, R - lingering death for the republic.)
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To: albie

St. Louis was No. 4 in 1900; been losing for many years.


55 posted on 02/09/2011 12:40:12 PM PST by Theodore R. (Rush was right when he said America may survive Obama but not the Obama supporters.)
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To: poobear

I worked with a person who had friends from Denmark moving to the states and her complaint was that these friends couldn’t get free health care here and couldn’t afford to buy insurance, I told her the reason they didn’t have money to pay for insurance was because Denmark taxed it all away from them and then asked her why she thought immigrants who had never paid a cent in taxes to the US should get free health care or any other benefit. No answer but a very pissed off liberal who went around the rest of the day slamming sh** around in the office. One of my best days ever.


56 posted on 02/09/2011 12:40:42 PM PST by calex59
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To: Redleg Duke

That is so true; minority group people are so politically committed to liberalism that they don’t even know that they are the biggest victims of abortion.


57 posted on 02/09/2011 12:42:49 PM PST by Theodore R. (Rush was right when he said America may survive Obama but not the Obama supporters.)
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To: Islander7

Remember, Jack F. Kemp was always talking up “our Democratic friends, and I mean that sincerely, sincerely, sincerely,” a line he used to thank Algore for saying something nice about Jack.


58 posted on 02/09/2011 12:44:57 PM PST by Theodore R. (Rush was right when he said America may survive Obama but not the Obama supporters.)
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To: Leisler

great find...someone should correlate this with voting patterns for those cities...


59 posted on 02/09/2011 12:46:43 PM PST by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: PAR35
Sorry. I just went to Google Images and picke what I got.

ML/NJ

60 posted on 02/09/2011 1:02:29 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: zeugma

“A lot of it was war, and the refugees they generate.”

Yes, but my problem is this...and I am not arguing with you...I just need to get to an intellectual bottom of this which has fascinated me for long time: About war: Folks were either on foot or the more lucky few were on horseback. Refugees took longer to move about. The plague hit quick and fast at almost at the same time everywhere.


61 posted on 02/09/2011 1:06:43 PM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: calex59

Good for you.

My neighbors are from Denmark. They escaped in the 80’s and know first hand the effects of socialism.

Tell your little socialist co-worker you’re a Capitalist and watch her head explode. It’s well worth the elevated blood pressure you’ll get from her tirade ;D!


62 posted on 02/09/2011 1:29:35 PM PST by poobear (FACTS - the turd in the punch bowl of liberal thought!)
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To: GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
The plague hit quick and fast at almost at the same time everywhere.

Wikipedia isn't the most authoritative site, but in this case it's probably right: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death

It took a couple of years to spread, and followed the trade routes. It appeared more than once, but the 1348-50 episode was the worst.

One infected person fleeing from a plague city on horseback can move a pretty good distance quickly, leaving infected fleas every place he stops to sleep. A dozen ships leaving an infected port in Turkey could hit towns from Italy to England to Germany in a few months.

There's not much special in how fast this moved in a time of poor harvests and poor health.

63 posted on 02/09/2011 3:12:14 PM PST by slowhandluke (It's hard to be cynical enough in this age.)
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To: Leisler

Democrats, rats, fleas, plague, same thing


64 posted on 02/09/2011 5:09:34 PM PST by Tribune7 (The Democrat Party is not a political organization but a religious cult.)
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To: Ciexyz

Same for our area as well (NJ); whole areas in our cities are ghost towns, and nobody in their right mind even drives through those areas when the sun starts to dip...


65 posted on 02/09/2011 6:07:34 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: goat granny

As I understand it Habitats for Humanity has been working in Detroit dismantling homes. Seriously.


66 posted on 02/09/2011 6:10:01 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: ClearCase_guy

Not really; even if they’re keeping them in the Blue Zone, the states themselves are losing electoral votes due to those population losses. It certainly is less damaging in terms of the electoral college; it has forced Dems to try to carve out “red” states to come up with more than half of the electoral votes (and is getting worse for them with each census).


67 posted on 02/09/2011 6:12:25 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: poobear

“Do you know how expensive it is to live there?”

That’s exactly how these morons think; here in NJ we’re getting a real wakeup call with police/fire/teacher layoffs, crappy snow removal, etc. Some people are going to have a hard time adjusting to the new, more fiscally responsible NJ. I thought the urban dumps would be insulated from this because it is politically incorrect to take anything at all from a city, but Newark, Jersey City, and Camden have ALL laid off a number of police officers. This doesn’t bode well for those cities at all; those police were the only reason some whites dawdled in those places after dark as consumers.


68 posted on 02/09/2011 6:16:56 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: Theodore R.

They aren’t committed to liberalism, but to greed. If you rob Peter to pay Paul, you will always have the support of Paul. These same minorities are among the most opposed to “gay marriage”, hardly a liberal position.


69 posted on 02/09/2011 6:19:19 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...
...places like Cleveland, Youngstown, Detroit, Warren, Buffalo and Flint.
The drop in Flint is perhaps most noticeable. Thanks Leisler.


70 posted on 02/09/2011 6:41:28 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: Leisler

Not completely true about liberals, since Obama took over, business in Washington DC is booming! ;)


71 posted on 02/09/2011 8:02:11 PM PST by Weird Tolkienish Figure
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To: kearnyirish2
I cannot argue with that, but getting rid of all the concrete and basements is the problem. Habitat may be refurbishing some homes. There are some beautiful old mansions within the city. The area called Indian Village was an area that all the rich lived. Many of those homes have gone to ruin and its a shame...Palmer Woods, across from the city's largest parks was another enclave of the very rich.

I remember seeing all those places, I grew up in Detroit and didn't move out until a year after I married.. At that time, to buy a house in the city was more expensive than buying in a new suburban sub-division. It sure isn't like that anymore...Detroit was once a beautiful place. Many called it the Venice of the country...You wouldn't believe that looking at it today...

Example: The first house we bought after marriage was a 3 bedroom ranch about 20 miles N. of Detroit and it cost only 13,900.00 sticker shock: That was in 1960.

You couldn't buy any home in Detroit for that amount of money....its sad what has become of that place...

72 posted on 02/09/2011 8:21:28 PM PST by goat granny
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To: GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

Three conjectures on underlying causes of Plague in Europe in 1348.

The Little Ice Age began in 1315 and the colder, wetter weather and famine was stressful to the rats and the fleas jumped off them looking for a better meal.

A germ that affected the fleas feeding mechanism and left them unable to digest their meals, was able to affect the fleas more in the Little Ice Age; and the ‘starving’ fleas jumped off the rats trying to find a better meal.

Bamboo dies off in great swaths every 80-100 years or so before regenerating and the rats that live in the groves then vacate it looking for sustenance, taking their fleas with them. Multiple species of bamboo may have coincidentally died off in Asia around the same time and thus the rats left migrating West to Europe, taking their infected fleas with them.


73 posted on 02/09/2011 8:37:24 PM PST by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1993905/posts)
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To: brownsfan
Well, according to the article, the problem is that we aren't spending enough. See, if only the Federal government would put more money into these cities...

Interesting facts about the depopulation, but one of the sadder things about reading trade magazines now is that every "thoughtful" article is about how the government needs to spend more on whatever cause the magazine supports.

74 posted on 02/09/2011 8:40:01 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
The plague hit quick and fast at almost at the same time everywhere.

Only if your 'everywhere' is the twenty mile circle around your home.

"Bubonic plague broke out in Central Asia in 1338/39 and reached China and India in 1346.... The epidemic reached the Black Sea port of Caffa by 1347. Fleeing Genoese ships then carried the fleas and their host to Constantinople, Italy, and Marseilles.
"From the prosperous Italian cities, the Black Death spread in waves over western Europe....The plague entered Britain through several ports, among them Bristol, where the plague swept ashore in August 1348. ...By July 1349, the Black Death had reached Scotland,..."

from The Little Ice Age, by Brian Fagan

75 posted on 02/09/2011 8:51:31 PM PST by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1993905/posts)
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To: Leisler

It’s late so I haven’t checked to see if this has already been posted:

The Fabulous Ruins of Detroit
http://www.detroityes.com/home.htm

A sad and amazing photolog of the demise of a once-great American city.
Declined to one-half of it’s peak population.
Even National Public Radio has had reports on the misery of this place
in the last year, including proposals to simply bulldoze blocks of the
town so that expenses of city services can be ended.

And this was a city as mentioned by Newt Gingrich once had the highest
average salary of any major American city.
Democrats and Unions sure fixed that d-mned good!!!

PS: Detroiters/Michiganders (understandably) invaded my home state of
Oklahoma during the “Oil Boom in the late 1970s-early 1980s.
Just like the Califorians invading Texas these days and the “Massholes”
that flee Taxachussets to Vermont and New Hamhaphsire to escape
CONFISCATORY state income tax...
they bring their liberal pathology with them.
Then impose it on the inhabitants of the state (organism) that they have infected.

Too bad places like Texas, Vermont and New Hampshire didn’t study history.
and erected highway signs like the one at the eastern border of California
during the Depression.
“No Jobs Here. Go Home.”


76 posted on 02/09/2011 10:07:54 PM PST by VOA (`)
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To: Leisler

bump


77 posted on 02/09/2011 10:42:57 PM PST by VOA (`)
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To: RockinRight


How could a city with no Republicans be screwed by Republicans?

That might be the FR post of the month.
If not of the year.


78 posted on 02/09/2011 10:44:12 PM PST by VOA (`)
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To: headsonpikes

ping for a truer comment never made


79 posted on 02/10/2011 7:04:03 AM PST by Red Boots
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To: RockinRight

“How could a city with no Republicans be screwed by Republicans?”
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As long as Republicans exist anywhere they are ruining the whole world merely by their existence. On the other hand Democrats are forgiven if everything they do makes things worse because they had GOOD INTENTIONS. Sounds crazy but it seems to be the way these people “reason”. My idiot stepson actually told me that he doesn’t care whether socialism has ever worked anywhere else, he wants it because it is right. Liberalism REALLY IS A MENTAL DISORDER, never forget it or doubt it.


80 posted on 02/10/2011 8:50:11 AM PST by RipSawyer (Trying to reason with a liberal is like teaching algebra to a tomcat.)
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To: goat granny

If parkland is the intended use, then concrete and basements present no problem; collapse the house into the basement, dump on some broken sidewalk concrete and asphalt, cover with topsoil, then seed. There will be settling, contamination, etc. (which is already there); it’s been done in other places, and nobody’s hurt in the end. The eyesore goes away, and an area that certainly has plenty of other industrial problems in its soil returns to nature.

I’ve heard Detroit referred to as the first American city with bona fide “ruins” (along the lines of the Acropolis). Whatever they do with it has to be better than leaving humans in it at this point. Like other areas where this has been done, you can take the most historical and/or structurally sound buildings and use them as a visitors center, museum, park ranger headquarters, etc.; the most contaminated areas become parking lots with 3 feet of pavement between the car tires and the soil.

I know this stuff; I’m from New Jersey! : )


81 posted on 02/10/2011 5:43:47 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: kearnyirish2
I know this stuff; I’m from New Jersey! : )

What do you think of your new governor? Sometimes he sounds pretty good, but you would know better seeing that you live there...:O)

82 posted on 02/10/2011 8:16:00 PM PST by goat granny
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To: Theodore R.

I remember that farce of a debate. Kemp showed himself to be a jackass and have had no respect for him since...he was comtemptable...


83 posted on 02/10/2011 8:31:39 PM PST by goat granny
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To: goat granny

He is incredible; we’ve been raped by these public employee unions for decades, and nobody stood up to them (or even better, publicly exposed their salaries and benefits - present AND future - so that even the dopiest knucklehead could understand that we had created an upper middle class of fairly unproductive people paid for by taxpayers at the end of their ropes). He is trying to stop taxpayers (individual and corporate) from fleeing this state as they have been for years, and doesn’t seem all that concerned about his popularity (which even pollsters admit is doing well anyway; they overestimated the support our privileged public servants would receive). I see posters complain he is not conservative enough; for NJ he is “far right”, so I’ll take it. He is blunt because we are turning into a third world sh!thole here, and without his cuts (actually started by his Dem predecessor) we would have nothing left here but illegal aliens, the permanent underclass (including many who could be cast on “Jersey Shore”), and SEVERAL Detroits.

I hope he’s around long enough for at least another term; however, I don’t know if his message would play nationally. Unless you come from an area where each taxpaying family supports a teacher + one emergency person (police or fire) + one additional municipal employee (public works, or office staff), as well as 2 local public school students and 4 urban students, his message doesn’t make much sense. I know many of the “red” states have been much more frugal than we have (which is why our jobs and our taxpayers move to them); I don’t think they could fully appreciate the incredible turnaround (both in financial terms and in terms of the public sentiment) that this man has almost single-handedly wrought. He is like a giant one-man TEA Party...


84 posted on 02/11/2011 2:28:19 AM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: kearnyirish2
It sounds like he is a good guy. I have watched a couple of utubes on him and I like what he says. He sure didn't run for governor to be the most popular guy around but because he felt he could do something for the state. Hope it continues..:O)

PS I like the way he talks to the MSM and the unions...

85 posted on 02/11/2011 8:33:22 AM PST by goat granny
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To: goat granny

He knows both will automatically fight his re-election anyway; there is no fair shake with either of those Dem constituencies.


86 posted on 02/11/2011 8:28:47 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: ml/nj

Warren Michigan borders Detroit on it’s Northern border. It’s the other side of 8 mile. It’s a working class union area that used to have 180,000 and now is down to 133,000.


87 posted on 02/12/2011 8:44:59 PM PST by Darren McCarty (We should lead ourselves instead of looking for leaders)
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To: Ciexyz
they talk about the Great Lakes region but it could apply to Pittsburgh, too (my area).

At a paltry 67 miles from Youngstown, and with the same ethnic nonsense, Pittsburgh more than qualifies

88 posted on 02/17/2011 8:50:54 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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