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'He was going to kill me' Shooting trial ... incident between miner and off-road vehicle riders
Medford Mail Tribune ^ | 02/09/2011 | Sanne Specht

Posted on 02/09/2011 3:59:11 PM PST by Uncle Miltie

A Gold Hill (OR) man who lost his lower right arm after a violent encounter with an Illinois Valley gold miner (testified) Tuesday at the miner's trial

Graybill, testified that he and his friends drove into an isolated campsite about eight miles outside of Kerby. Spears immediately began screaming at them to get off his mining claim, firing into the air with his 12-gauge shotgun for emphasis.

"He said, 'Get the f—- outta here. He was extremely agitated."

Graybill grabbed a beer and took off on foot. Spears suddenly appeared again. Graybill stepped toward Spears before he was "bayoneted" by Spears' shotgun in the right side of his ribcage.

He pushed the gun away just as Spears fired at point-blank range.

"If I hadn't done the left-hand sweep, I'd be dead. I swept. He fired."

The blast knocked the beer from Graybill's hand and tore away most of his right arm.

While one driver raced to cell phone range, Graybill's friends (used) a belt as a tourniquet.

"Blood was starting to slosh on the floorboards. I knew it was going to be close."

Graybill, Stacy and Olson testified before a gallery filled with Spears' supporters. About 20 members of the Southwest Oregon Mining Association, dressed in yellow shirts stating "Mineral Estate Grantee Vested Authority Jurisdiction Since July 26,1866," sat behind Spears.

The miners alleg(ed) Graybill and the others in his group were aggressive, drunken trespassers who initiated the confrontation.

"I think it's an enormous injustice," said Ida Reman, 32. "(Spears) was being attacked by drunks. He's been in jail for two years. They attacked an old man. They are young bullies. They should be in jail."

Stacy said Hood (82), the unofficial leader of the off-road group, committed suicide last Christmas, in part because of the stress of the incident.

(Excerpt) Read more at mailtribune.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: banglist; propertyrights; selfdefense
"Hold muh beer and..... (BOOOOM!!!!) ... Never mind."

Heavily excerpted to comply with the rules. More at the site.

1 posted on 02/09/2011 3:59:14 PM PST by Uncle Miltie
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To: Uncle Miltie

So, he grabbed a beer ~ from where?


2 posted on 02/09/2011 4:04:58 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Uncle Miltie
The blast knocked the beer from Graybill's hand and tore away most of his right arm.

I like the way that whole "tore away the arm" thing is treated as pretty much an afterthought.

3 posted on 02/09/2011 4:11:01 PM PST by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: JennysCool

Yeah, it should read: “...and tore away most of his right arm taking the beer with it.”


4 posted on 02/09/2011 4:14:01 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (Had God not driven man from the Garden of Eden the Sierra Club surely would have.)
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To: JennysCool

Yes, he should have got them when they were bunched closer together, might have scored a double.


5 posted on 02/09/2011 4:15:45 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: Inyo-Mono

Not guilty!


6 posted on 02/09/2011 4:18:31 PM PST by kempo
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To: Uncle Miltie

I found it really helps set the mood for this article if you have “Dueling Banjos” going in the background while you read it.


7 posted on 02/09/2011 4:24:05 PM PST by rogue yam
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To: Uncle Miltie

They ride into his camp and grab his beer and he is in jail?


8 posted on 02/09/2011 4:25:17 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Uncle Miltie
They are young bullies.

Huh? Someone's exaggerating. One guy was 82. The one-armed man was in his mid-fifties. Hard for me to decide who behaved unreasonably here based on this article. It seems neither side was interested in de-escalating, that's for sure. I'd like to know what was Graybill's blood alcohol when they got him to the hospital?

9 posted on 02/09/2011 4:25:17 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: Uncle Miltie


“I think it’s an enormous injustice,” said Ida Reman, 32. “(Spears)
was being attacked by drunks. He’s been in jail for two years.
They attacked an old man. They are young bullies. They should be in jail.”

Sometimes there are simple solutions to real-world problems.

1. Head shots only
2. Shallow graves in the middle of nowhere
3. Push the victims’ vehicle into a VERY DEEP lake.

OK, I know that’s fantastical and illegal. And I’d probably never be able
to do it except under REALLY extreme circumstances.
Probably the better idea is rock-salt or sub-lethal shotgun rounds.


10 posted on 02/09/2011 4:33:35 PM PST by VOA
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To: Uncle Miltie
.......testified that he and his friends in two other vehicles drove into an isolated campsite about eight miles outside of Kerby That is the "nut" of it folks. Castle doctrine. Now maybe short arm was out to rob the man or maybe not. But he and his buds roared into this mans living room. Not guilty.
11 posted on 02/09/2011 4:34:18 PM PST by Fantomw
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To: Uncle Miltie
How do people who cannot construct a grammatically correct sentence become newspaper editors?

That actually seems to be a requirement.

12 posted on 02/09/2011 4:35:24 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." -- Barry Soetoro, June 11, 2008)
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To: LibWhacker
It seems neither side was interested in de-escalating, that's for sure.

I always give the road to the man with a shotgun.

13 posted on 02/09/2011 4:36:23 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (Had God not driven man from the Garden of Eden the Sierra Club surely would have.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The article was originally horribly written. My heavy excerpts have unfortunately emphasized that fact.

If you want more clarity, you have to go read the original. Not that it is proper English in the first place.


14 posted on 02/09/2011 4:36:53 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (0bamanomics: Punish Success, Reward Failure. Destroying America is the point.)
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To: Inyo-Mono

Lol, I hear ‘ya! Some enraged dude points a shotgun at me... I’d have to be totally sloshed to stand there giving him lip.


15 posted on 02/09/2011 4:42:03 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: Fantomw
Yes, plenty of room to roar around those 8 miles without going into the man's campsite and telling him he has no right to it (yeah, they did “This place isn't just for Miners” they said, in his campsite).

He did have a right to it. It was his mining claim. It was his campsite next to his mining claim.

It was his de facto “living room”. And they roared into it and told him he had no right to it and they were going to leave in their own good time if at all.

16 posted on 02/09/2011 4:43:11 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream

A patented mining claim is protected land. Once the claim has
been proven, the land is yours as long as you comply with
mining regulations. These yahoos had no business there and
were trespassing on private land. There are claims here that
I wouldn’t get within a mile as some miners will shoot first and then grab a shovel. Some of the old glory holes are
might deep..


17 posted on 02/09/2011 4:55:44 PM PST by OregonRancher (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints)
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To: allmendream

It’s inconceivable to me growing up in a rural area of joyriding like a bunch of punks across someone else’s land. You don’t do ANYTHING like that here without permission. As far as I’m concerned these guys took their lives into their own hands and should feel lucky it didn’t end up worse.


18 posted on 02/09/2011 4:58:45 PM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: Uncle Miltie
But after they made their way through Spears' campsite...

I'm leaning toward the miner. If I'm out enjoying nature, and a bunch of drunk offroaders 'make their way through' my campsite, I'm likely to be a might put out. If they are messing with a mining claim ...

19 posted on 02/09/2011 5:02:16 PM PST by PAR35
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To: allmendream
It was his de facto “living room”. And they roared into it and told him he had no right to it and they were going to leave in their own good time if at all.

Exactlly. Even here in California, your remote campsite is yours, and you can legally open carry a loaded handgun in camp to protect it.

20 posted on 02/09/2011 5:03:34 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (Had God not driven man from the Garden of Eden the Sierra Club surely would have.)
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To: Free Vulcan

Depends on where you live. In Oregon, 82% of the land is Fed or state. BLM, National forest, state lands.
Most states east of the Rockies are almost all privately owned.

I can jeep 80 miles to the coast and never cross privately
owned land.


21 posted on 02/09/2011 5:04:17 PM PST by OregonRancher (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints)
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To: Free Vulcan
It’s inconceivable to me growing up in a rural area of joyriding like a bunch of punks across someone else’s land. You don’t do ANYTHING like that here without permission. As far as I’m concerned these guys took their lives into their own hands and should feel lucky it didn’t end up worse.

An associate of mine (from the suburbs) once parked in a spot on a street in South Philly and was told by a local that the spot was somebody else's and to move his car. My associate said, "Hey, snooze you lose," and the next thing he knew he had a gun in his ear. He moved his car without another word.

22 posted on 02/09/2011 5:11:23 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: org.whodat

Did they save the beer????......


23 posted on 02/09/2011 6:01:46 PM PST by Red Badger (Whenever these vermin call you an 'idiot', you can be sure that you are doing something right.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Well, he didn’t drop the beer til things got serious. You just know it was some lousy swill beer like Stroh’s!


24 posted on 02/09/2011 6:31:21 PM PST by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: Fitzy_888

In Alaska the mining claims must allow others on the claims for any reason. You can put up danger signs buts that’s about all. People hunt on mining claims all the time up here.


25 posted on 02/09/2011 6:51:06 PM PST by Cowgirl
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To: Uncle Miltie

Wow, they should pay the guy a bit of money for the time he has been locked up. I think if this happened in Florida they would have taken a statement from the guy and that would have been the end of it. He was within his rights to shoot them. If someone with a gun tells me to leave their property, I would leave.

I bet the asshat tried to take the gun from him and lost his arm for it.


26 posted on 02/09/2011 8:43:15 PM PST by TheGarbone
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To: Uncle Miltie

Geez, what a poorly written article. It hardly makes any sense.


27 posted on 02/10/2011 4:47:24 AM PST by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: allmendream

Sound’s like he was just giving the miner a hand.


28 posted on 02/10/2011 4:56:56 AM PST by BOBWADE
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