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'Egypt losing control of Sinai to Beduin'
JPost ^ | 2/13/11 | YAAKOV KATZ

Posted on 02/12/2011 5:53:25 PM PST by Tigen

Israelis urged to return home for fear that peninsula will become launching pad for terror attacks as police abandon posts, facing increasing violence.

Concern is mounting in Israel over reports that the Egyptian police force has abandoned the Sinai Peninsula in face of growing Beduin violence, and that the territory will turn into a breeding ground for global jihad.

According to information that has arrived in Israel, Egyptian police authorities have abandoned dozens of police stations throughout the peninsula after they were attacked by Beduin armed with missiles and assault rifles.

This concern was behind Israel’s decision two weeks ago to allow the deployment of 800 Egyptian soldiers in Sharm e-Sheikh and Rafah.

Additional requests since then have been rejected.

In recent years, the Sinai hasturned into a launching pad for attacks against Israel, including by Hamas, which several months ago launched Katyusha rockets into Eilat from the Egyptian territory.

The Egyptian military has for years encountered difficulty in controlling the Beduin population, which does not hold allegiance to the Egyptian government in Cairo.

“The Sinai is already known as a lawless land,” a senior defense official said over the weekend. “There is real concern that if the Egyptians don’t get the Sinai back under their control, it could develop into a major threat to Israel.”

Israel, which has urged all its citizens to leave the Sinai immediately, is particularly concerned about the possibility that Hamas will take hold of parts of the peninsula and use it to launch attacks into Israel via the 240-kilometer long Israeli- Egyptian border, with an emphasis on Eilat.

There is also concern that without a real Egyptian security presence in the Sinai, Hamas will be able to increase the amount and quality of weaponry and explosives it smuggles into the Gaza Strip via Egypt.

Israel has shared these concerns with its allies, as well as on a personal level between Chief of General Staff Lt.-Gen.

Gabi Ashkenazi and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm. Michael Mullen.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: beduin; egypt; israel; jihad; muhammadan; obama; sinai; waronterror
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1 posted on 02/12/2011 5:53:30 PM PST by Tigen
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To: Tigen

Nice work Egypt


2 posted on 02/12/2011 6:02:13 PM PST by GenY Republican
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To: GenY Republican

At least Obama feels inspired.


3 posted on 02/12/2011 6:03:33 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Tigen

I’m just not convinced this is going to end up as nicely as many seem to think.


4 posted on 02/12/2011 6:04:10 PM PST by bigbob
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To: Tigen

The Egyptian Army is constrained from entering the Sinai by the Camp David Treaty.


5 posted on 02/12/2011 6:06:11 PM PST by AU72
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To: Tigen

Are there US troops on the UN peacekeeper mission this rotation? Hope not.
6 posted on 02/12/2011 6:06:11 PM PST by thescourged1
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To: Tigen

“Israel has shared these concerns with its allies, as well as on a personal level between Chief of General Staff Lt.-Gen. Gabi Ashkenazi and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm. Michael Mullen.”

Wondering if the lip service was at least pleasant.


7 posted on 02/12/2011 6:06:17 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Tigen
This must be at least one of the things Obama talked about in a phone call tonight to Egyptian Field Marshal Tantawi, defense minister and head of military high council.
8 posted on 02/12/2011 6:07:09 PM PST by Errant
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To: Errant

Maybe he was talking about modeling Egypt after Indonesia as he has been reading up on. First it’s not his business. and Second....

Hmmmm the President of the US of America wants to model another country after (not the US, but..) Indonesia. Wow, something is seriously wrong with this picture.


9 posted on 02/12/2011 6:11:49 PM PST by HollyB
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10 posted on 02/12/2011 6:13:22 PM PST by Errant
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To: HollyB

IMO, gathering intel for the MBH.


11 posted on 02/12/2011 6:14:13 PM PST by Errant
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To: Tigen

Not good.


12 posted on 02/12/2011 6:15:25 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Tigen
The implication is that Egypt cannot deploy troops in the Sinai without Israel's permission.

The sentence "additional requests since then have been rejected" is unclear--was Israel requesting that the troops be deployed and Egypt was saying no, or did Egypt want to send in more troops and Israel said no?

It's always been a lawless area--even Moses broke all the ten commandments when he was there.

13 posted on 02/12/2011 6:24:28 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Tigen
I remember the woman who was ululating and handing out sweets after 3000 Americans, including children, died on 9/11. When I hear Obama talk about ‘the people’ this comes to mind. The fact is that we are all people, and some of us want to live and let live, while others want to force themselves and their ideology upon us. Sometimes, for a variety of reasons, the ‘majority’ in specific societies or nations want to hurt or destroy others. When this happens, the ‘will of the people’ is not acceptable. It's certainly not a simple matter, but I think it's very simplistic to think that the will of the people is always consistent with what is moral and what is right.
14 posted on 02/12/2011 6:25:56 PM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: rockinqsranch
ADM Mike Mullen isn't going to recommend we do anything for the Israelis and neither is his master Barak Hussein Obama. Israel will have to warm up the weapons and confirm targeting coordinates, then launch a preemptive strike like the 1967 War. Israel will be on its own in this war.
15 posted on 02/12/2011 6:37:52 PM PST by MasterGunner01 (To err is human; to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX)
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To: rockinqsranch
ADM Mike Mullen isn't going to recommend we do anything for the Israelis and neither is his master Barak Hussein Obama. Israel will have to warm up the weapons and confirm targeting coordinates, then launch a preemptive strike like the 1967 War. Israel will be on its own in this war.
16 posted on 02/12/2011 6:38:02 PM PST by MasterGunner01 (To err is human; to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX)
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To: SJackson

Yikes ping.


17 posted on 02/12/2011 6:39:18 PM PST by agrace
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To: agrace

“The implication is that Egypt cannot deploy troops in the Sinai without Israel’s permission.”

According to the treaty, Egypt will not deploy large forces
in Sinai without Israel’s consent.


18 posted on 02/12/2011 6:51:13 PM PST by CondorFlight (I)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...

Thanks Tigen.
19 posted on 02/12/2011 7:01:47 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: Tigen

Israel should never have given up the Sinai after the Yom Kippur War in ‘73.


20 posted on 02/12/2011 7:04:20 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

>>I think it’s very simplistic to think that the will of the people is always consistent with what is moral and what is right.

This is at the root of why the Founders created a Republic and not a Democracy.


21 posted on 02/12/2011 7:06:23 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster
"Israel should never have given up the Sinai after the Yom Kippur War in ‘73."

I have a feeling they'll now have the opportunity to take it back in the not-to-distant future. Unfortunately.

22 posted on 02/12/2011 7:08:28 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: Errant
Thanks for the map. Was just trying to picture it and I had it wrong. lol

I always wondered why Israel gave back the Sinai after the war with Egypt. Didn't keep up on things then, but I remember thinking it's a great buffer zone. I know this is woefully ignorant, but over time they gave up the Golan and the West Bank too?

23 posted on 02/12/2011 7:51:22 PM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: Tigen

Gee, no wonder the talking heads have gone quiet...


24 posted on 02/12/2011 7:55:12 PM PST by jackv (The darkness hates the light!)
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To: Errant
Here is the location of Mount Sinai: where God gave the Ten Commandments and the Five Books to Moses. Imagine the Muslims giving up such a parcel of land at ANY price - NEVER. Israel needs to take it back.


25 posted on 02/12/2011 7:55:40 PM PST by montag813 (http://www.facebook.com/StandWithArizona)
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To: Tigen
This may be off the wall, but why does Saudi and all the other smaller Arab states have a ton of oil and Egypt has none? Just the way it is, or inadequate exploration?
26 posted on 02/12/2011 7:56:50 PM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: Tigen

Why men like Mubarak, Saddam and the Shah must rule the ME.

It isn’t that civilization has passed them by or that racists or Zionists have impoverished them, but that they completely reject civilization and prefer destruction, mayhem and death.

Their god calls for it.


27 posted on 02/12/2011 7:59:49 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: AU72

They can police it, though.

What Egypt needs is a Pinochet and some U of C econ grads.

There’s nothing like wealth through industry to temper a people.


28 posted on 02/12/2011 8:02:25 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: cripplecreek

Remember in 2009 when Obama demanded Honduras reinstate Hugo Chavez’s friend Manuel Zelaya who was breaking their constitution by making himself president for life?


29 posted on 02/12/2011 8:27:41 PM PST by conservativeimage.com ("Uh, let me be clear. Uh." - President Barack Obama)
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To: Tigen
The Egyptian military has for years encountered difficulty in controlling the Beduin population, which does not hold allegiance to the Egyptian government in Cairo.

The Bedouin were there before there was an Egypt.

30 posted on 02/12/2011 8:28:50 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: bigbob

I agree with you. There just aren’t the institutions in place there that are able to promote democracy or even ‘mobocracy’. The coming chaos will get pretty bad. Pretty soon they’ll welcome a system any system that can achieve a semblence of normalcy. Can you say ‘Shiria’? I thought you could.


31 posted on 02/12/2011 8:29:44 PM PST by griswold3 (We defend conservatism by our very way of life.)
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To: griswold3
'mobocracy'

When will MuBarack be forced to resign?

32 posted on 02/12/2011 8:39:13 PM PST by conservativeimage.com ("Uh, let me be clear. Uh." - President Barack Obama)
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To: AU72

So is the Sinai peninsula no man’s land; not part of Israel and the Egyptian Army cannot go there?


33 posted on 02/12/2011 8:40:24 PM PST by Elsiejay (.)
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To: bigbob
Whatchya mean, Willis? What could possibly go wrong?

Every talking head I've taken the grueling-effort to watch is positively giddy, i.e., gushing, about how benign events have proven to be; must be why Perky-Catie and Ms. Amanpour BOTH left in such hurry.

I was commenting to my most steadfast loyal audience the other day; I said, "Self: no good will come of this."

NONE, that is, unless somebody records these putative "un-biased" media-pundits - in lieu of journalism - reports for posterity so as to document how prominently they all wear their opininions on their journalistic sleeves, cuffs, and / or bell-bottoms.

WHY would this be an issue if the press is forcused instead on the "FIRST snowflake of the BLIZZARD of 20011"!!!!! THE FIRST SNOWFLAKE - ZOOM IN ON THAT SUCKER Zack, ZOOM INTO THE FIRST SNOWFLAKE, oh, WAIT, there's ANOTHER ONE!

I'll NOT deny that I'm jaded, but where have you seen reported in the main stream media that ObamaCare has been ruled: unconstitutional.

34 posted on 02/12/2011 8:46:09 PM PST by raygun
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To: Art in Idaho
I know this is woefully ignorant, but over time they gave up the Golan and the West Bank too?

I believe that Israel only controls a little over half of the Golan Heights and the West Bank is divided up into about 3 sections IIRC. Each of these sections of the West Bank have different civil control structures with Israel playing a larger or lesser role in governance depending upon the section.

35 posted on 02/12/2011 8:54:59 PM PST by Errant
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To: montag813
Israel needs to take it back.

No doubt they will if Egypt fails to honor their 30 year peace treaty.

36 posted on 02/12/2011 8:57:53 PM PST by Errant
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To: Errant
Thanks for the clarification. Israel is indeed going it alone. Sometimes hard to believe the change in the foreign policy climate: diss the Brits, lukewarm to the French, love the Muzzies, abandon Israel, diss Mubarack, try and reinstall Zelaya, back buddy Chavez and Fidel. . . is there a pattern here? : )

2012!!

37 posted on 02/12/2011 9:09:42 PM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: Elsiejay
So is the Sinai peninsula no man’s land; not part of Israel and the Egyptian Army cannot go there?

It's close to a DMZ. Egypt can only bring over a very limited number of military. I think about a brigade and some anti-aircraft.

38 posted on 02/12/2011 9:10:47 PM PST by AU72
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To: montag813
Here is the location of Mount Sinai: where God gave the Ten Commandments and the Five Books to Moses. Imagine the Muslims giving up such a parcel of land at ANY price - NEVER. Israel needs to take it back.

Likely not the true Mt Sinai location but I agree Israel should have held on to it. Mt Sinai is more likely located in Saudi Arabia Mt Sinai

The problem with the traditional site is several. One being even then that would have had Israel still in Egypt as the Sinai even then was part of Egypt. Another problem is space. Not big enough for the twelve tribes at the traditional site. The crossing at the Strait of Tiran where the Gulf of Aqaba narrows makes sense. I've looked at some satellite photos of the area where it is believed Israel crossed and it too makes sense specially with a Divine Miracle to part the waters at that point. A forty year wilderness stint in Saudi Arabia also makes more sense. Moses was not a stranger to that area but Israel was.

39 posted on 02/12/2011 9:19:57 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Art in Idaho
As a buffer zone, the Sinai is only useful in case of an attack coming from Egypt. Sadat was willing to make a separate peace with Israel in order to get the Sinai back and the Israelis gambled that it would be worth it. So far it has paid off--Egypt has not been part of the equation in any conflicts since the peace treaty was made.

The Israelis gave back a portion of the Golan Heights but I think they still have most of it. Parts of the West Bank are under the administration of the Palestinian Authority but there are still a lot of Israeli settlements there.

40 posted on 02/12/2011 9:23:06 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Tigen

I thought the Bedouin hated the Arabs.


41 posted on 02/12/2011 9:39:40 PM PST by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: Tigen

The danger - that Sinai become’s Israel’s new “southern Lebanon” amid internal political uncertainty in Egypt.


42 posted on 02/12/2011 10:27:14 PM PST by Wuli
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To: GenY Republican

Israel should give Egypt about 60 days to regain control of the Sanai. If they don’t, Israel should nuke Iran, Syria, Yemen and Pakistan.


43 posted on 02/13/2011 2:18:44 AM PST by ratsreek
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To: ratsreek

44 posted on 02/13/2011 2:43:11 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: LadyDoc

Beduins are Arabs - of the indigenous desert tribes. In their culture, they tend to look down upon villagers and city Arabs as lesser beings. But this is just a cultural prejudice, and usually not taken seriously.

However, there is a recent and bitter illfeeling between the Beduin of the Sinai and the Egyptian police. They say the police have been brutal to them. The police say that the Beduin are involved in people smuggling and illegal trade over the Israeli border.


45 posted on 02/13/2011 3:56:39 AM PST by BlackVeil
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To: SunkenCiv

Surely the question is - who is supplying the Beduin with these weapons?

There is something strange going on.


46 posted on 02/13/2011 3:58:15 AM PST by BlackVeil
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To: thescourged1

Under the agreement signed at the beginning that governed the Multinational Force and Observers, I believe that there was always to be one batallion of American troops in the Sinai. They were usually stationed just north of Sharm al-Sheikh. A second batallion of foreign troops was to be stationed at the MFO base south of El Arish. I wonder if this has changed?


47 posted on 02/13/2011 4:03:39 AM PST by Melchior
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To: Tigen

Egypt has just sent another 900 troops. It is important to remember this is a demilitarized zone under their Treaty, However, Israel welcomes the Egyptians in this instance.


48 posted on 02/13/2011 4:54:40 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: AU72

They entered with Israel’s blessing.


49 posted on 02/13/2011 4:56:09 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: thescourged1

Yes.


50 posted on 02/13/2011 4:56:20 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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