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Smearing Ron and Rand Paul
Slate ^ | February 18, 2011 9:31 AM | David Weigel

Posted on 02/18/2011 7:24:57 PM PST by Ex-expromissor

Another day, another vitriolic and personal David Horowitz attack on a conservative who doesn't meet his purity test. Today he amplifies Gary Bauer's call to action against a proposal from Rep. Ron Paul, R-Tex., to cut foreign aid to Israel.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: paul; rand; ron; tea
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1 posted on 02/18/2011 7:25:02 PM PST by Ex-expromissor
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To: Ex-expromissor

RP wants to bring home the Troops and mobilize our defenses here. We will not be successful in the Islamic Hellhole of the middle East. I think we need to mobilize our military to be unbeatable and protect the USA from without and within. The Gravy Train is over. Deal with it.


2 posted on 02/18/2011 7:28:32 PM PST by screaminsunshine (34 States)
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3 posted on 02/18/2011 7:30:54 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: screaminsunshine

Speak softly and carry a big azz freakin’ stick!


4 posted on 02/18/2011 7:32:02 PM PST by Ex-expromissor (Know Your Enemy)
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To: Ex-expromissor

You got it. Nation Building Sucks. Screw them. We need to drill for our own oil. Tell them to eat their oil for dinner. I worry about our guys who are isolated in Afghanistan. They rely on supply lines that can be cut in 1 hour. It is not a good tactical situation. Counter insurgency is ridiculous. Bring em home. We could end up with another Viet Nam type evacuation if things go bad with Pakistan.


5 posted on 02/18/2011 7:36:45 PM PST by screaminsunshine (34 States)
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To: Ex-expromissor

Yes, now that we’ve financed most of Israel’s enemies lets drawback and let them have at it. I’d prefer to die next to a Israeli than eat a hamburger next to you.


6 posted on 02/18/2011 7:41:51 PM PST by TwoSwords (The Lord is a man of war, Exodus 15:3)
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To: TwoSwords

bttt!


7 posted on 02/18/2011 7:54:57 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade, There are only two sides. Pick one.)
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To: TwoSwords
"Yes, now that we’ve financed most of Israel’s enemies lets drawback and let them have at it. I’d prefer to die next to a Israeli than eat a hamburger next to you."

At what point do you quit hot shot? We fund both sides of the conflict. Are you deft? I'd rather eat popcorn with my family at home in the U.S. than continue to fund some conflict that is over a thousand years old.

And don't worry... if you choked on that burger, I'd still perform the heimlich on you...

8 posted on 02/18/2011 7:59:52 PM PST by Ex-expromissor (Know Your Enemy)
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To: Ex-expromissor

The military should be recalled from overseas and the foreign aid budget should be diverted to building a border fence and deporting the millions of invaders that are in this country.

Only when that task is done should we think again about what’s happening in these hellholes that no one cares about.


9 posted on 02/18/2011 8:02:46 PM PST by WilliamHouston
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To: Ex-expromissor

And now that the Muzzies are triumphant in Egypt, it will be used as an excuse to spend more aid in the region and expand our military presence there.


10 posted on 02/18/2011 8:04:17 PM PST by WilliamHouston
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To: Ex-expromissor

And now that the Muzzies are triumphant in Egypt, it will be used as an excuse to spend more aid in the region and expand our military presence there.


11 posted on 02/18/2011 8:04:27 PM PST by WilliamHouston
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To: Ex-expromissor

Just wait for the big government conservatives to start in.


12 posted on 02/18/2011 8:09:42 PM PST by FightThePower! (Fight the powers that be!)
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To: Ex-expromissor
Ron Paul claims he wants to audit the Federal Reserve. He ought to read the audits that are already published.

2009 Combined Federal Reserve banks - Independent Auditor Report on Page 3

2009 Federal Reserve Board financial statements - Independent Auditor Statement Page 2

Financial Statements of the Federal Reserve Banks (Combined and Individual banks)

Annual Report - Federal Reserve Board 2010 Budget Review.

13 posted on 02/18/2011 8:10:11 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: Ex-expromissor

I wouldn’t want you to save me. You obviously don’t know crap about geo-politics. Just that Jews control everything, yet their home country is about to be annihilated. Makes about as much sense as you.


14 posted on 02/18/2011 8:12:28 PM PST by TwoSwords (The Lord is a man of war, Exodus 15:3)
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To: TwoSwords
"I wouldn’t want you to save me. You obviously don’t know crap about geo-politics. Just that Jews control everything, yet their home country is about to be annihilated. Makes about as much sense as you."

You're right... no point in saving you. Why do you think Israel is on the brink? How many millions/billions of tax dollars has gone to the countries that hate Israel? Sadly it is time to back away from foreign entanglements and save THE USA. Tough decisions now have to be made... We can make them now while we still have some fight or we can make them later when we all speak some foreign language...

15 posted on 02/18/2011 8:22:25 PM PST by Ex-expromissor (Know Your Enemy)
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To: Ex-expromissor

“vitriolic and personal” ????

Calling Ron Paul on being a loon isn’t personal. He indulges Truthers and the Alex Jones crowd...David Horowitz was 100% correct, and brave to put a stop to the legitimization of this goof.


16 posted on 02/18/2011 8:23:03 PM PST by harmonium
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To: FightThePower!
"Just wait for the big government conservatives to start in."

Plenty of oxy "MAROONS" at this place....

17 posted on 02/18/2011 8:28:15 PM PST by Ex-expromissor (Know Your Enemy)
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To: Ex-expromissor

I had a big government conservative tell me it was a good idea for the government to spend $42 billion on high speed rail from Atlanta to D.C.


18 posted on 02/18/2011 8:32:45 PM PST by FightThePower! (Fight the powers that be!)
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To: Ex-expromissor
I can't get my head around this obsession some folks
have with Ron Paul. He is an isolationist nutcase who
would burn the country to the ground as long as it stayed
in budget. The rest of the planet doesn't seem to play
a role other than as eternal patsies for the”Jews”in his
view. No way would I waste a vote on him.
19 posted on 02/18/2011 8:33:41 PM PST by WePledge (Semper Fidelis)
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To: harmonium
"Calling Ron Paul on being a loon isn’t personal. He indulges Truthers and the Alex Jones crowd...David Horowitz was 100% correct, and brave to put a stop to the legitimization of this goof."

Truthers??? Where has Ron Paul indulged "Truthers? Citing US foreign policy as a factor in the cause of 9/11 is a faaaaaaarrrr stretch from claiming an inside bombing by the Bush administration. You people are the loons...

20 posted on 02/18/2011 8:34:11 PM PST by Ex-expromissor (Know Your Enemy)
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To: Ex-expromissor

David Horowitz is not exactly a rightwing fundy himself, his criticism of Ron Paul seems to center on foreign aid to Israel.


21 posted on 02/18/2011 8:36:01 PM PST by GeronL (Needs a new tagline. LOADING..... LOADING.....)
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To: TwoSwords

How about we end all foreign aid/UN funding except for Israel.

Would Ron Paul vote for it?


22 posted on 02/18/2011 8:37:42 PM PST by GeronL (Needs a new tagline. LOADING..... LOADING.....)
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To: Ex-expromissor

Isolating yourself is not the answer. See WWI and WWII. And you read Slate. Enough said.


23 posted on 02/18/2011 8:39:25 PM PST by TwoSwords (The Lord is a man of war, Exodus 15:3)
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To: GeronL
Out of all the various and sometimes fractious factions in the Republican coalition, nothing matches the invective flung at the libertarian wing by the neocon wing. To my knowledge, Ron Paul never has supported foreign aid to anyone. He views it as unconstitutional. This has gotten spun into antisemitism because it would mean ending aid to Israel. I support Israel myself, and don't begrudge aid sent by us to Israel. But, I understand completely where Paul is coming from on this. It's very unfair and has become libelous.
24 posted on 02/18/2011 8:44:33 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Ex-expromissor

That 1000 yr + conflict is on our shores already. I would suggest you wise up.


25 posted on 02/18/2011 8:45:42 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade, There are only two sides. Pick one.)
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To: Ex-expromissor

What conservative did he attack? As far as I can tell, this article only mentions the Pauls.


26 posted on 02/18/2011 8:48:24 PM PST by Ingtar (Together we go broke (from a Pookie18 post))
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To: WePledge
"I can't get my head around this obsession some folks have with Ron Paul."

"Support" somehow equals "obsession" in your mind?

"He is an isolationist nutcase who would burn the country to the ground as long as it stayed in budget."

I guess that makes George Washington an isolationist nutcase too sport. Read his farewell address sometime...

" The rest of the planet doesn't seem to play a role other than as eternal patsies for the”Jews”in his view."

The "rest of the planet" is not our burden according to the U.S. Constitution. Also, I can't seem to find a single anti-semetic remark attributed to Ron Paul.

"No way would I waste a vote on him."

Gee... what a shocker. I guess you will continue to cast your vote for whomever lesser of two evils both parties will throw up there for you to choose from in 2012. My children thank you for pissing away their future with your astounding intellectual prowess...

27 posted on 02/18/2011 8:53:15 PM PST by Ex-expromissor (Know Your Enemy)
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To: TwoSwords
"Isolating yourself is not the answer. See WWI and WWII. And you read Slate. Enough said."

Come on... Ron Paul does not endorse "Isolation" as you imply it to be. And if you are so well read you should know this. Implying that WWI and WWII are the result of isolationism is absurd... In fact just the opposite can be argued. Japan used US steel against our troops. Germany had a huge helping hand from American companies while building up to war. Are you that ignorant of history or just hoping that I am? And I read EVERYTHING... Nuff said...

28 posted on 02/18/2011 9:02:00 PM PST by Ex-expromissor (Know Your Enemy)
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To: GeronL

It’s hard to believe that people (Pauls) so talented are, in the end, imho, so stupid. Nations have always depended on those of similiar intent for support, information and military backing.
Over my lifetime I’ve watched the U.S. being supremely respected for winning WWII to being trashed for any action we take. I despise the Pauls, because in the end they’re limited in their ability to realize how the real world works.
I agree with their interpretation of the Fed and if they can fix that problem, more power to them. Their stupidity in geo-politics make that happening impossible.


29 posted on 02/18/2011 9:03:32 PM PST by TwoSwords (The Lord is a man of war, Exodus 15:3)
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To: sageb1
"That 1000 yr + conflict is on our shores already. I would suggest you wise up."

Wise up???? Are you for real? Why do you think it is on our shores? Because we have allowed it... Because we have paid for it... Because someone is making money from it... Get a freakin' clue guys! Wise up my azz... Geez...

30 posted on 02/18/2011 9:09:02 PM PST by Ex-expromissor (Know Your Enemy)
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To: Ex-expromissor

Isn’t Weigel a JurnOlista?


31 posted on 02/18/2011 9:11:31 PM PST by sauropod (The truth shall make you free but first it will make you miserable.)
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To: FightThePower!

Then he was no conservative!


32 posted on 02/18/2011 9:12:42 PM PST by sauropod (The truth shall make you free but first it will make you miserable.)
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To: RegulatorCountry
RuPaul had blamed America for 9/11. He said it was actions we did that caused the event.

This bespeaks a profound ignorance of the ideology of a whole lot of people that are located over there.

33 posted on 02/18/2011 9:14:55 PM PST by sauropod (The truth shall make you free but first it will make you miserable.)
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To: Ex-expromissor

If he want’s all foreign aid stopped from the pre-emminent power on earth, what do you call it? It’s called isolationism. Words haven’t worked very good, the last I looked.
I don’t want to get into a flame war with you. We just need to agree to disagree. But, I reiterate, I take this seriously and again I’d prefer to die next to a Israeli than eat a hamburger next to you. I’ll let you have the last word.


34 posted on 02/18/2011 9:19:32 PM PST by TwoSwords (The Lord is a man of war, Exodus 15:3)
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To: Ex-expromissor

CUT FOREIGN AID TO ISRAEL??

Get a load of this.
This is what should be cut.

.com/2009/05/13/obamas-supplemental-bill-passes-gives-billions-to-enemies/

Obama’s Billions For Jihad

• $3.6 billion, matching the request, to expand and improve capabilities of the Afghan security forces

• $400 million, as requested, to build the counterinsurgency capabilities of the Pakistani security forces

• Afghanistan: $1.52 billion, $86 million above the request

• West Bank and Gaza: $665 million in bilateral economic, humanitarian, and security assistance for the West Bank and Gaza

• Jordan: $250 million, $250 million above the request, including $100 million for economic and $150 million for security assistance

• Egypt: $360 million, $310 million above the request, including $50 million for economic assistance, $50 million for border security, and $260 million for security assistance

• Pakistan: $1.9 billion, $591 million above the request

• Iraq: $968 million, $336 million above the request

• Oversight: $20 million, $13 million above th2009 Supplemental Appropriations for Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Pandemic Flu was revised and “passed by the full committee.”Obama’s Not sure what the next step is, but based on the summary, it gives billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars to countries and entities that support Sharia law and/or harbor, hide and support those who want to destroy the U.S. and our allies.
hRead the summary
http://appropriations.house.gov/pdf/PressSummary05-07-09.pdf
http://creepingsharia.wordpress
from e request, to expand oversight capacity of the State Department, USAID, and the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan to review programs in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq

• Lebanon: $74 million

• International Food Assistance: $500 million, $200 million above the request, for PL 480 international food assistance to alleviate suffering during the global economic crisis

• Refugee Assistance: $343 million, $50 million above the request, …including humanitarian assistance for Gaza. Funding for the UN Relief and Works Agency programs in the West Bank and Gaza is limited to $119 million (Note: Gaza = Hamas)

• Disaster Assistance: $200 million to avert famines and provide life-saving assistance during natural disasters and for internally displaced people around the world, including Somalia, Zimbabwe, Ethiopia, the Middle East and South Asia

• Peacekeeping: $837 million for United Nations peacekeeping operations, including an expanded mission in the Democratic Republic of the Congo and a new mission in Chad and the Central African Republic

• Department of Justice: $17 million, matching the request, for counter-terrorism activities and to provide training and assistance for the Iraqi criminal justice system

The mainstream media remains silent on this but the International News http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=22164
has now picked up the story — and then there is Obama’s $108 billion IMF bailout scheme http://michellemalkin.com/2009/05/13/obamas-100-billion-imf-bailout-scheme/ in addition to the Supplemental.

Obama has asked Congress http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2009/04/27/obama-asks-congress-to-allow-us-funds-to-terrorist-hamas-govt/
to let aid to Palestinians continue if Hamas backers are included in a new unity government, observers say.

The proposed change in U.S. law would be necessary because Hamas, which controls the Gaza Strip, is designated as a terrorist organization and therefore cannot receive U.S. aid. But power-sharing negotiations between Hamas and the rival Fatah faction, which controls the West Bank, may result in a unity Palestinian government that includes ministers backed by Hamas, the Los Angeles Times reported.

The White House sought the change as part of a bill authorizing $840 million for the Palestinian Authority as well as for rebuilding Gaza after this year’s 22-day Israeli military assault.

The Hamas proposal brought criticism from U.S. lawmakers, the Times said — one of whom, U.S. Rep. Mark Steven Kirk, R-Ill., said the move was akin to supporting a government that “only has a few Nazis in it.”


35 posted on 02/18/2011 9:20:09 PM PST by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: TwoSwords
"It’s hard to believe that people (Pauls) so talented are, in the end, imho, so stupid. Nations have always depended on those of similiar intent for support, information and military backing. Over my lifetime I’ve watched the U.S. being supremely respected for winning WWII to being trashed for any action we take. I despise the Pauls, because in the end they’re limited in their ability to realize how the real world works. I agree with their interpretation of the Fed and if they can fix that problem, more power to them. Their stupidity in geo-politics make that happening impossible."

Geo politics eh??? Here's a real simple lesson for you from the "Pauls" in GEO POLITICS...

Let's see... The US backs Osama vs. Soviets... (Afghanistan for those of us who are two stupid to know which conflict I refer to...) And we get... What???? 9/11? Oooooeeeeeewwwww... so radical! Soooooooo outraaaaaageous!!!! Shame on Ron Paul for suggesting anything about our ridiculous foreign policy and it's effects!

Moving on... The US Backs Sadam vs. Iran... And we get...What???? take your pick! The the first Iraq "confrontation/war" or the second???? That's right kids... There were two of those wars! Oooops! Can't call it a "WAR"! Congress didn't vote for a "WAR" as the "CONSTITUTION" requires! How many lives lost??? Who's counting! But Hey! Never fear Ditto Heads! Congress voted to "FUND" these "conflicts"! Whooo Hooo! So that makes it AOK!

So sick of this B.S.

Ron Paul has it "right"... and the so called "conservatives" stick their freakin' heads in the sand... You twits loose the "Far Right" as we are so often referred to and you have nothing. If I continue to vote the lesser of two evils, my children have "NOTHING!"

36 posted on 02/18/2011 9:23:17 PM PST by Ex-expromissor (Know Your Enemy)
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To: patriot08

And do you think for one second that I or any of Ron Paul’s supporters would not be in favor of cutting all of the outrageous aide packages that you just painstakingly listed? I am on board pal! Where do i sign up?! Oh wait... Ron Paul and maybe his son are probably the only politicians that are “crazy” enough (has enough balls) to propose these cuts! There goes that plan... :-(


37 posted on 02/18/2011 9:29:05 PM PST by Ex-expromissor (Know Your Enemy)
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To: patriot08

And do you think for one second that I or any of Ron Paul’s supporters would not be in favor of cutting all of the outrageous aide packages that you just painstakingly listed? I am on board pal! Where do i sign up?! Oh wait... Ron Paul and maybe his son are probably the only politicians that are “crazy” enough (has enough balls) to propose these cuts! There goes that plan... :-(


38 posted on 02/18/2011 9:29:45 PM PST by Ex-expromissor (Know Your Enemy)
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To: sauropod

As I recall, he observed that our presence and actions there had led to numerous attempted retaliations. That’s not blaming America, that’s simple cause and effect.

We have an interest in the Middle East and most deem it worthy of protecting, myself included. But, to put on blinders and pretend that we’re not viewed by certain elements in that same Middle East as an occupier waging war upon them is naive and silly. They retaliated. It’s not justifying the actions of the 9/11 terrorists or blaming America to make note of this, and that is what Ron Paul did.

He opposes most foreign intervention and always has, including Iraq, though he supported Afghanistan. It all boils down to constitutionality with him. The one was constitutional, the other was not, in his view. I understand completely where he’s coming from, even if I’m not as strict a constructionist as he clearly is.


39 posted on 02/18/2011 9:31:08 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Ex-expromissor

Yeah I know... Used the word “two” in place of “too” and hit the post button twice... Sorry... :-)


40 posted on 02/18/2011 9:33:49 PM PST by Ex-expromissor (Know Your Enemy)
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To: RegulatorCountry
"As I recall, he observed that our presence and actions there had led to numerous attempted retaliations. That’s not blaming America, that’s simple cause and effect. We have an interest in the Middle East and most deem it worthy of protecting, myself included. But, to put on blinders and pretend that we’re not viewed by certain elements in that same Middle East as an occupier waging war upon them is naive and silly. They retaliated. It’s not justifying the actions of the 9/11 terrorists or blaming America to make note of this, and that is what Ron Paul did. He opposes most foreign intervention and always has, including Iraq, though he supported Afghanistan. It all boils down to constitutionality with him. The one was constitutional, the other was not, in his view. I understand completely where he’s coming from, even if I’m not as strict a constructionist as he clearly is."

Thank you for such a well thought out post... Yaaaayyyy for sanity! There is hope!

41 posted on 02/18/2011 9:38:02 PM PST by Ex-expromissor (Know Your Enemy)
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To: Ex-expromissor

You’re not entirely wrong. When you come up with a perfect foreign policy let us know.

Put yourself in Reagan’s position. You’d think that saving Afghanistan from the Soviets would be rewarded, like most intelligent humans. We weren’t. So stopping the USSR from taking over state after state is wrong?
At what level of communistic control should we form a committee? You are dense, the Paul’s are dense. You can use the Ostrich defense. I won’t.


42 posted on 02/18/2011 9:40:54 PM PST by TwoSwords (The Lord is a man of war, Exodus 15:3)
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To: Ex-expromissor

bump


43 posted on 02/18/2011 9:42:13 PM PST by dcwusmc (A FREE People have no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK We are EVERYWHERE)
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To: TwoSwords
There is no perfect foreign policy. But arming "bad" guys who aren't as bad as the other "bad" guys doesn't get it.

"You can use the Ostrich defense. I won’t."

IMO you just did...

44 posted on 02/18/2011 9:47:24 PM PST by Ex-expromissor (Know Your Enemy)
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To: TwoSwords
"You’d think that saving Afghanistan from the Soviets would be rewarded, like most intelligent humans."

You assume way too much... If you saved a "gang" in your neighborhood from being waxed by another "gang" in your neighborhood. After the bloodshed was over do you seriously think that the "gang" you just saved would just welcome you and your "goody goody" morals continuing hanging around "their" hood??? How naive can you be?

45 posted on 02/18/2011 9:55:20 PM PST by Ex-expromissor (Know Your Enemy)
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To: Ex-expromissor

The Pauls suggest we turn a blind eye. This is why we have to deal with “Muslims for Ron Paul.”


46 posted on 02/18/2011 9:58:17 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade, There are only two sides. Pick one.)
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To: Ex-expromissor

If you don’t arm your allies, respectable or not, then your enemies will win. You’re being simplistic. I know you don’t like that implication but 6000 years of humanity prove you wrong. All countries are interwoven with each other, especially now. Withdrawing all aid borders on stupidity. It doesn’t make up that much of our budget.


47 posted on 02/18/2011 9:59:25 PM PST by TwoSwords (The Lord is a man of war, Exodus 15:3)
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To: TwoSwords

Sticking our nose in everyone’s business in the name of globalism and “democracy” is going to be the cause of WWIII. We need to reel ‘em (the elite) in.

However, I think we should stand by Israel, just the same. Too many bad guys after her.


48 posted on 02/18/2011 10:03:10 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Ex-expromissor

The Soviets take over Afghanistan. It’s another resource and labor. Not very hard to understand.


49 posted on 02/18/2011 10:04:44 PM PST by TwoSwords (The Lord is a man of war, Exodus 15:3)
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To: sageb1
"The Pauls suggest we turn a blind eye. This is why we have to deal with “Muslims for Ron Paul.”

Wrong wrong wrong... The Paul's simply suggest that we quit arming people who hate US. I know, I know... Too simple to comprehend... I guess I need to try to make this more complicated...

50 posted on 02/18/2011 10:07:43 PM PST by Ex-expromissor (Know Your Enemy)
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