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Smearing Ron and Rand Paul
Slate ^ | February 18, 2011 9:31 AM | David Weigel

Posted on 02/18/2011 7:24:57 PM PST by Ex-expromissor

Another day, another vitriolic and personal David Horowitz attack on a conservative who doesn't meet his purity test. Today he amplifies Gary Bauer's call to action against a proposal from Rep. Ron Paul, R-Tex., to cut foreign aid to Israel.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: paul; rand; ron; tea
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To: RegulatorCountry
Out of all the various and sometimes fractious factions in the Republican coalition, nothing matches the invective flung at the libertarian wing by the neocon wing. To my knowledge, Ron Paul never has supported foreign aid to anyone. He views it as unconstitutional. This has gotten spun into antisemitism because it would mean ending aid to Israel. I support Israel myself, and don't begrudge aid sent by us to Israel. But, I understand completely where Paul is coming from on this. It's very unfair and has become libelous.

I agree with your take but check out the followers he has inspired. The ones I see on the internet are very anti-Israel. As many are left-libertarians as are right-libertarians. "Stop all foreign aid"--- To a certain extent that is code for "stop aid to Israel". They don't like Israel and have bought into the leftist/Muslim narrative on it

51 posted on 02/18/2011 10:09:35 PM PST by dennisw (- - - -He who does not economize will have to agonize - - - - - Confucius)
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To: dennisw

Left-libertarians are a confused bunch as a general rule. How one can be libertarian on the one hand and a near totalitarian statist on the other is a mystery, or should be to anyone with an ounce of logic in their system.

They’ve latched onto Paul because they’re reflexively “anti-war” and perceive him to be as well. In this, they are mistaken. He supported Afghanistan. If the dolts had ever bothered to look at what Paul actually advocates across the board, they’d hate him. They’re nearly the antithesis of one another.


52 posted on 02/18/2011 10:16:11 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Ex-expromissor

We don’t have the capital to fund any nation. Boortz offered figures today on our deficit, claiming when broken down, each taxpayer owes about 1.7 million.

If his calculations are correct, I think we’re gonna need more taxpayers.


53 posted on 02/18/2011 10:17:25 PM PST by takenoprisoner (Repeal the 16th amendment . Send Islam packing to their homeland.)
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To: TwoSwords
"If you don’t arm your allies, respectable or not, then your enemies will win."

OMG... Arming the so called allies I have mentioned has created enemies... Not allies...

"You’re being simplistic"

Yes I am and you still don't get it!

" I know you don’t like that implication but 6000 years of humanity prove you wrong. All countries are interwoven with each other, especially now. Withdrawing all aid borders on stupidity. It doesn’t make up that much of our budget."

Hoo Boy... With logic like this... you are going to need a hell of a lot more than "Two Swords" pal... You're going to need at least a couple dozen to survive... let alone win any battles on this field...

54 posted on 02/18/2011 10:19:16 PM PST by Ex-expromissor (Know Your Enemy)
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To: RegulatorCountry

I don’t understand why we have to provide money to our allies. If the alliance is mutually beneficial,why do we have to give them money? Isn’t the mutual benefit good enough? That’s what I don’t get about foreign aid. If they are truly our allies,why do we have to pay them? I don’t mean just Israel,I mean any allies to whom we send money.


55 posted on 02/18/2011 11:46:50 PM PST by FreeDeerHawk
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To: RegulatorCountry

I saw an interview of Ron Paul in which he was asked if he would have reservations about retaliating in kind if nuclear weapons were used against us. He said no.

There was another interview in which he said that if we have to go to war,Congress should declare war and then we should fight to win. I don’t know why the anti-war crowd clusters around him.


56 posted on 02/18/2011 11:54:40 PM PST by FreeDeerHawk
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To: Ex-expromissor

You are the perfect Paulbot.


57 posted on 02/19/2011 1:00:10 AM PST by TwoSwords (The Lord is a man of war, Exodus 15:3)
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To: Ex-expromissor; TwoSwords

I don’t agree with some of the gambits suggested by this observer, but he is pretty good at analyzing the global chessboard, and therefore worth a close look.

http://www.amazon.com/Next-Decade-Where-Weve-Going/dp/0385532946/
The author of the acclaimed New York Times bestseller The Next 100 Years now focuses his geopolitical forecasting acumen on the next decade and the imminent events and challenges that will test America and the world, specifically addressing the skills that will be required by the decade’s leaders.

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58 posted on 02/19/2011 3:24:16 AM PST by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: RegulatorCountry

The old quip about left libertarians is-— they simply are liberals who don’t like paying taxes.


59 posted on 02/19/2011 5:38:27 AM PST by dennisw (- - - -He who does not economize will have to agonize - - - - - Confucius)
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To: dennisw; RegulatorCountry

“They don’t like Israel and have bought into the leftist/Muslim narrative on it.”

If you understand the Al Qaeda / Muslim Brotherhood program, you will realize that buying into their narrative implies great joy when the US pulls the plug on support for any of its client states in the historical territories occupied by Islam: whether Israel, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Tunisia, Yemen, Iraq, or traditional NATO ally Turkey. They also have designs on states like Algeria, Libya, and Syria, whose rulers are not congenial to their program. As the US pulls back, AQ and MB influence will grow and their potential for eliminating the secular rulers in the various client states, and those that are secular and less visibly “US pawns” will grow. They’ve made considerable progress in Turkey, and now Egypt, though there is ‘less than meets the eye’ so far in Egypt.

recommended reads:
http://www.amconmag.com/blog/dont-party-like-its-1989/
http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/02/14/egypt-parliament-dissolved-a-speedy-transition-to-real-republic-is-unlikely/
http://bigpeace.com/abostom/2011/02/17/lara-logans-rape-and-egyptian-muslim-jew-hatred/
http://pajamasmedia.com/ronradosh/2011/02/16/the-real-face-of-the-muslim-brotherhood/?singlepage=true
http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2011/02/06/egypt-the-muslim-brotherhood-oyster-stew/?singlepage=true

http://www.stratfor.com/node/184957/analysis/20110217-unrest-middle-east-special-report
While the circumstances at first glance appear dire for most of the regimes, each of these states also has unique circumstances. While Tunisia can be considered a largely organic, successful uprising, for most of these states, the regimes retain the tools to suppress dissent, divide the opposition and maintain power. In others, those engaging in the civil unrest are pawns in behind-the-scenes power struggles. In all, the assumed impenetrability of the internal security apparatus and the loyalties and intentions of the army remain decisive factors in determining the direction of the unrest.

http://www.amazon.com/Next-Decade-Where-Weve-Going/dp/0385532946/
The author of the acclaimed New York Times bestseller “The Next 100 Years” now focuses his geopolitical forecasting acumen on the next decade and the imminent events and challenges that will test America and the world, specifically addressing the skills that will be required by the decade’s leaders. The next ten years will be a time of massive transition. The wars in the Islamic world will be subsiding, and terrorism will become something we learn to live with. China will be encountering its crisis. We will be moving from a time when financial crises dominate the world to a time when labor shortages will begin to dominate. The new century will be taking shape in the next decade.


60 posted on 02/19/2011 7:13:20 AM PST by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
If you understand the Al Qaeda / Muslim Brotherhood program, you will realize that buying into their narrative implies great joy when the US pulls the plug on support for any of its client states in the historical territories occupied by Islam: whether Israel, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Tunisia, Yemen, Iraq, or traditional NATO ally Turkey. They also have designs on states like Algeria, Libya, and Syria, whose rulers are not congenial to their program. As the US pulls back, AQ and MB influence will grow and their potential for eliminating the secular rulers in the various client states, and those that are secular and less visibly “US pawns” will grow. They’ve made considerable progress in Turkey, and now Egypt, though there is ‘less than meets the eye’ so far in Egypt.

Nature abhors a vacuum and so does power. All our enemies will move in as we move out. Enemies such as Mulsim Brotherhood, China, Russia, Iran and Al Qaeda

Ron Paul would have us be purist libertarians begging on the free market for foreign oil and all foreign resources. Actually this is our current policy. Meanwhile China locks up oil and gas into long term contracts. Stupid and beyond stupid to depend on buying oil etc on the free market

61 posted on 02/19/2011 9:41:22 AM PST by dennisw (- - - -He who does not economize will have to agonize - - - - - Confucius)
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To: dennisw
Ron Paul would have us be purist libertarians begging on the free market for foreign oil and all foreign resources. Actually this is our current policy. Meanwhile China locks up oil and gas into long term contracts. Stupid and beyond stupid to depend on buying oil etc on the free market

Your response sort of begs the question ... why are we spending so much money and expending so much military might and so many lives, if Middle Eastern oil can be secured, "locked up" in your terms, via long term contracts? Which is the logical approach? The one you attribute to China, or what has been our own to date? And, has Rep. Paul made any indication at all that he would oppose it?

Not that I am aware. Many with libertarian leanings are naive about the world outside our borders, including those who seem to think this country and it's constitution could survive the free-for-all of unfettered immigration, legal or otherwise. You have a fair point in that. Contracts, however, international or otherwise are a legal and constitutional approach and would not be opposed.

Strange it certainly is, when China of all countries, would appear to be taking a more constitutional approach than the country to which that constitution belongs, wouldn't you say?

62 posted on 02/19/2011 10:12:06 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

Ron Paul will never be asked that because this whole country has gone softie libertarian as far as seeing we get oil sent here. We used to manipulate and overthrow governments to see that this was done. All foreign oil used to be under contracts prior to 1973

No one here cares what I am saying. But I see the ChiComs being pro-active and doing what we used to do. Back when we were not infected by liberalism and behaved like a great power. Our oil majors coordinated with a patriotic State Department and CIA to see that we and our allies got oil from the Middle East as contracted. Today we depend on the beneficence of the free market but when supplies get tight or we have war then that mode of trade goes out the window

comprenez vous?


63 posted on 02/19/2011 10:39:30 AM PST by dennisw (- - - -He who does not economize will have to agonize - - - - - Confucius)
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To: screaminsunshine

I guess we should continue supporting Middle East dictators... its been quite bipartisan.


64 posted on 02/19/2011 3:40:22 PM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: Ex-expromissor

....”And I read EVERYTHING... Nuff said... “....

Yes. You are quite well read.

And yet you STILL support Ron & Rand.

Since you are “so smart” please tell us all why neither Ron or Rand will ever get even 5% of the vote for president (and please try to do so in twentyfive insults or less).

It must be those “neo-coms”?

Or those who just “don’t get it”?

Or those who “stupidly beleave” that it is better to fight a middle eastern war in the middle east instead of Chicago?

Or those who “stupidly beleave” that those who live in glass house’s (ie. hang out with Alex Jones) are probably not real serious candidates for the the highest office in the land. (Nor a son who supports this).

Yes, quite well read indeed.

Nuff said.


65 posted on 02/23/2011 10:41:57 PM PST by Mtner77
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To: Mtner77
"Yes. You are quite well read. And yet you STILL support Ron & Rand. Since you are “so smart” please tell us all why neither Ron or Rand will ever get even 5% of the vote for president (and please try to do so in twentyfive insults or less). It must be those “neo-coms”? Or those who just “don’t get it”? Or those who “stupidly beleave” that it is better to fight a middle eastern war in the middle east instead of Chicago? Or those who “stupidly beleave” that those who live in glass house’s (ie. hang out with Alex Jones) are probably not real serious candidates for the the highest office in the land. (Nor a son who supports this). Yes, quite well read indeed."

I figured the best way to deal with you was to let a little time pass before responding yet again. Soooooooo... how do you like your crow sport? Grilled? Baked? Good old Texas style BBQ? LOL

66 posted on 12/27/2011 10:45:36 AM PST by Ex-expromissor (Know Your Enemy)
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To: Ex-expromissor

Call back when he is President. Sport...


67 posted on 01/28/2012 10:17:21 PM PST by Mtner77
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To: Ex-expromissor; Jim Robinson
Truthers??? Where has Ron Paul indulged "Truthers? Citing US foreign policy as a factor in the cause of 9/11 is a faaaaaaarrrr stretch from claiming an inside bombing by the Bush administration. You people are the loons...

Seriously, I think you got lost on your way to another website.

68 posted on 01/28/2012 10:26:37 PM PST by lonevoice (Klepto Baracka Marxo, impeach we much.)
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To: TheOldLady; 50mm

IATZ of the Paulbot!


69 posted on 01/28/2012 10:46:24 PM PST by lonevoice (Klepto Baracka Marxo, impeach we much.)
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To: Ex-expromissor; lonevoice; darkwing104; 50mm; stephenjohnbanker; SunkenCiv; humblegunner; ...


So long, Ex-expromissor (Posting History)

Hat Tip to lonevoice

Snide Paulistard rides a stealthy but broiling hot train to the Viking Kitty pantry





Ron Paul is insane, and he lies a lot too


Thank you JoeProBono

FReepmail TheOldLady to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.

70 posted on 01/29/2012 1:04:19 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Ex-expromissor

Any Terrorist can mass murder for any reason and blame anything.

And there will always be Jerks like Ron Paul willing to blame fellow Americans for his own political gain.

In that way Paul is exactly like Truthers - you ZOTTED Fool.

Never forget that.


71 posted on 01/29/2012 1:26:00 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (#withNewt)
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To: TheOldLady

“Ron Paul is insane, and he lies a lot too”

+1 !!


72 posted on 01/29/2012 4:50:02 PM PST by Absolutely Nobama (NO COMPROMISE! NO RETREAT! NO SURRENDER! I AM A CONSERVATIVE! CASE CLOSED!)
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To: Ex-expromissor; 50mm; darkwing104; Arrowhead1952; Darksheare; onyx; TheOldLady; Lady Jag; ...

Ex-expromissor is no more. Four zots from a 44. No less!! No more!!

73 posted on 01/29/2012 7:33:41 PM PST by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: Ex-expromissor; 50mm; darkwing104; Arrowhead1952; Darksheare; onyx; TheOldLady; Lady Jag; ...

"He shoulda armed himself..."

74 posted on 01/29/2012 7:38:51 PM PST by Old Sarge (RIP FReeper Skyraider (1930-2011) - You Are Missed)
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To: Old Sarge

LOL!!


75 posted on 01/29/2012 7:42:10 PM PST by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: TheOldLady

That zot is like a ‘pitcher’ post card. Glad your our gallon the job.


76 posted on 01/29/2012 7:42:56 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: Absolutely Nobama

Hi, nice to see you. Thanks!


77 posted on 01/29/2012 7:56:37 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: DarthVader

You’re so cute.


78 posted on 01/29/2012 8:06:14 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: SunkenCiv

It’s a lot like my stream of consciousness.


79 posted on 01/29/2012 8:07:35 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: TheOldLady; Old Sarge; 50mm; Ex-expromissor
So many zots and so little time.


80 posted on 01/30/2012 6:08:27 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

I hear ya. Sigh...


81 posted on 01/30/2012 8:20:42 AM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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