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The Rich, the Famous, the Armed
Sunday NY Times ^ | Feb 20, 2011 | JO CRAVEN McGINTY

Posted on 02/20/2011 6:22:00 AM PST by Pharmboy


Emily Berl for The New York Times
Shooting targets at the West Side Pistol Range, in Manhattan.

MEN and women. Democrats and Republicans. Doctors, lawyers, merchants and moguls. A remarkable, if relatively small, cross-section of New Yorkers legally own handguns, according to public records...

Among the more than 37,000 people licensed to have a handgun in the city are dozens of boldface names and public figures: prominent business leaders, elected officials, celebrities, journalists, judges and lawyers.

Some expressed pride in their gun ownership, like the renowned divorce lawyer Raoul Felder, who readily posed with his .38-caliber Smith & Wesson... And there were a few conflicted souls, like Alexis Stewart, co-host of “Whatever With Alexis and Jennifer” on SiriusXM radio and the Hallmark Channel.

“I don’t believe people should be allowed to have guns in America,” Ms. Stewart, daughter of Martha, said in an interview, explaining that she bought a .357 Magnum after 9/11 — but would be happy to give it up if handguns were banned. “Having a swimming pool is way more dangerous than having a gun,” she added.

Getting a handgun legally in New York is a two-step process. First, applicants must obtain a license, which costs $340, takes about 12 weeks to process, is good for three years and requires a background check by the New York Police Department. In addition, fingerprinting costs about $100.

The 41,164 handguns registered with the Police Department as of Jan. 14 include those owned by more than 2,400 people who live outside the city... — people like Roger E. Ailes, the president of Fox News, whose license lists an address in New Jersey; John J. Mack, the chairman of Morgan Stanley, who lives in Westchester County; and Sean Hannity, the conservative talk-show host, who lives on Long Island.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; US: New York
KEYWORDS: banglist; nyc; secondamendment
When I lived in NYC and had a carry (19 years with carry) I used to shoot at the pistol range above.
1 posted on 02/20/2011 6:22:01 AM PST by Pharmboy
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To: Pharmboy; marktwain; Joe Brower

“I don’t believe people should be allowed to have guns in America,” Ms. Stewart, daughter of Martha, said in an interview, explaining that she bought a .357 Magnum after 9/11 — but would be happy to give it up if handguns were banned.

What a frakkin’ idjit.


2 posted on 02/20/2011 6:30:23 AM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic is now on Kindle.)
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To: Pharmboy
"And there were a few conflicted souls, like Alexis Stewart, co-host of “Whatever With Alexis and Jennifer” on SiriusXM radio and the Hallmark Channel.

“I don’t believe people should be allowed to have guns in America,” Ms. Stewart, daughter of Martha, said in an interview, explaining that she bought a .357 Magnum after 9/11 — but would be happy to give it up if handguns were banned. “Having a swimming pool is way more dangerous than having a gun,” she added."

Conflicted? How about I use the same garbagethink, Alexis, to suggest we put your mom back in jail for trading stocks?

My guess is, since you don't respect the right, you'll screw up and use it against someone unthreatening and unarmed, and then you and your mom can enjoy a cell together...

3 posted on 02/20/2011 6:31:59 AM PST by StAnDeliver ("Are you better off than you were four years ago?")
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To: Pharmboy
From what I learned years back when I gave a crap...

Firearms concealed carry registration when sorted by profession, excluding those associated with law enforcement peoples, was:

1. Lawyers

2. MD’s

3. Psychiatrists

There is a theme here; guess what it is and get a prize.

4 posted on 02/20/2011 6:34:43 AM PST by mmercier
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To: Travis McGee

An unarmed civilian is a victim of thugs and of THUGS,
THUGS #1 your friendly politician and liberal soft heads
THUG #2 The ones armed illegally that THUGS#2 have no control over, won’t do anything about or can’t do anything about so they take the path of the least resistant, you!


5 posted on 02/20/2011 6:39:48 AM PST by ronnie raygun (V)
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To: Pharmboy
“I don’t believe [the little] people should be allowed to have guns in America,” Ms. Stewart, daughter of Martha, said in an interview, explaining that she bought a .357 Magnum after 9/11"

There, fixed it. Don't you just detest f**king elitists a**holes like that?

6 posted on 02/20/2011 6:44:20 AM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Made from the right stuff!)
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To: mmercier

They muck up peoples lives?


7 posted on 02/20/2011 6:45:14 AM PST by listenhillary (20 years in Reverend Wright's church is all I need to determine the "content of his character")
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To: mmercier

“There is a theme here; guess what it is and get a prize.”

They are very well off professionals who can afford it?

They are either lawyers or are in highly regulated professions who are know how to “work” the system or have staff that can do it for them?


8 posted on 02/20/2011 6:51:00 AM PST by marktwain
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To: Pharmboy

8 million people live there....and yet only 37,000 are given the privilege to exercise a right that predates the Constitution and is guaranteed by it. Disgusting.


9 posted on 02/20/2011 6:51:20 AM PST by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: GenXteacher

True but you forgot to factor in the 100,000 or so thugs that have a gun despite the “gun laws.”


10 posted on 02/20/2011 6:54:32 AM PST by marlon ("They talk about me like a dog" Barack Obama)
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To: Travis McGee
“Having a swimming pool is way more dangerous than having a gun,”

So how does she feel about banning swimming pools?

11 posted on 02/20/2011 7:03:53 AM PST by LouD ("against all enemies, foreign and domestic...")
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To: ronnie raygun

YEs indeed... condemning someone with a bullet is the speck. The log in the eye is giving blessings to criminals to go against that soft tissue unimpeded... hmmm shades of rapists and homosexuality, perhaps.

We are fast becoming a rationalizing self-vulnerabilizing society of liberal homos. It’s disgusting.


12 posted on 02/20/2011 7:05:17 AM PST by JudgemAll (Democrates Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: mmercier

These people know that the “have-nots” aren’t going to go quietly. Also, as layoffs hit police departments nationwide, the protection supplied by the middle class (via property taxes and actual bodies) for the “haves” is being eliminated. In the northeast this is critical, because while our policemen were ordered to stand down years ago because of the number of blacks shot/beaten/arrested/incarcerated, they were still allowed to threaten perps by shaping their fingers like pistols and shouting “bang, bang!”; now even that protection is gone because the “safety officers” are being laid off.

While crime is up in many northeastern suburbs, the mob knows where the bling is, and the rich should be armed to the teeth with weapons and the lawyers they’ll need if they use them...


13 posted on 02/20/2011 7:06:50 AM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: mmercier

They all know the criminal element well since their business surrounds them with such. That, and crazy people and they are smart.


14 posted on 02/20/2011 7:07:49 AM PST by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: kearnyirish2

Yes, guns to defend themselves and lawyers to get them off. We need ot be able to defend ourselves, although to be frank, the thought of the mob storming LA where the entertainment libs are is funny. With 2012 coming up, to be frank we need to be armed since blacks will riot, one way or another.


15 posted on 02/20/2011 7:10:21 AM PST by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: LouD; Travis McGee
"So how does she feel about banning swimming pools? "

That was my first question after reading this celebrity airhead's statement. And what does one have to do with the other anyway? A complete non sequitir.

She has the brains of a hamster. A dumb hamster.

16 posted on 02/20/2011 7:11:04 AM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: mmercier

They all deal with crazy people?


17 posted on 02/20/2011 7:11:35 AM PST by GVnana
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To: Niuhuru

This isn’t a black issue; there are many Latinos and whites who can clearly see the very dim future in store for them. The “haves” in NYC have nothing but contempt for anyone else (see the proposed “congestion pricing” to keep the unwashed out of lower Manhattan during the time the “haves” need to run their errands); they really are from another planet. They can fight the Arabs alone if they want their island to themselves...


18 posted on 02/20/2011 7:27:48 AM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: Pharmboy

““The first guy comes out with a sawed-off shotgun, goes right by me and says, ‘Be cool, man,’ ” said Mr. Catsimatidis, who has owned a gun for at least 35 years. “The second guy comes out with a sawed-off shotgun, goes by me and says, ‘Be cool, man.’ The third guy comes out with a sawed-off shotgun, and I intertwine my arm into his arm, and I put my gun to his head, and I say, ‘Drop your gun, or I’ll blow your head off.’ ”

When the police arrived, they arrested the man, and examined Mr. Catsimatidis’s weapon — a Walther PPK/S 9-millimeter pistol.

“The sergeant says to me, ‘You couldn’t have shot the guy anyway: your safety is still on,’ ” Mr. Catsimatidis recalled. “The sweat started dripping off my head.

“I’m not going to do anything stupid like that again.” “

I guess a safety isn’t a two way switch. Once taken off, it can’t be put back on. /sarc


19 posted on 02/20/2011 7:32:26 AM PST by eartrumpet
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To: Niuhuru

I see more 1968 than 1966. All the Communists. You might be surprised that many young whites will be on that side, more mature black people on this. Look if the election is close for Network News say “The people are speaking.” just as they have in the Middle East, where 250,000 rioters turn a nation of 80 million.


20 posted on 02/20/2011 7:41:59 AM PST by steve8714 (Firing Federal Bureaucrats would have a 100,000x beneficial effect on the deficit, maybe more.)
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To: Pharmboy
Looks like the Northeast needs to remember their history.
21 posted on 02/20/2011 7:45:11 AM PST by rabidralph ((Mu)Barak must go!)
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To: Travis McGee

Yep...that’s why I included that quote in the excerpt. Ya jes’ can’t get any stoopider than that...


22 posted on 02/20/2011 7:54:34 AM PST by Pharmboy (What always made the state a hell has been that man tried to make it heaven-Hoelderlin)
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To: rabidralph
Indeed...that's why I always ask my liberal friends: "Do you why the Brits moved on Lexington and Concord back in 1775?" They invariably do NOT know, and then I tell them:

"To confiscate the arms of the Patriots stored near there."

23 posted on 02/20/2011 7:58:52 AM PST by Pharmboy (What always made the state a hell has been that man tried to make it heaven-Hoelderlin)
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To: mmercier

Yes...I was a physician who made house calls in Manhattan. One of the easiest ways to get a carry in NYC since we carried cash and drugs.


24 posted on 02/20/2011 8:11:08 AM PST by Pharmboy (What always made the state a hell has been that man tried to make it heaven-Hoelderlin)
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To: Pharmboy

I have no doubt that, just like Gannett did in the '70's, the Slimes would have printed the addresses had they been made available.

Telling note on the graphic "A Gun Around the House" -
"Handgun owners with permits tend to live in parts of the city with low crime rates."

Isn't that special! They must have more law-abiding criminals in those parts!!     </sarc>

25 posted on 02/20/2011 8:24:56 AM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: kearnyirish2

Well, if NEw Yorkers are SO into being unarmed, let them be.


26 posted on 02/20/2011 8:27:31 AM PST by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: steve8714

In the Middle East, they don’t have the valves we do, like the formation of the Tea Party and beign able to vote a lot of the scum out. They are held down and down and down and down until they explode. In the US, conditions are not ripe enough for a full revolt like in Egypt.


27 posted on 02/20/2011 8:29:59 AM PST by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Pharmboy
Among the more than 37,000 people licensed to have a handgun in the city are dozens of boldface names and public figures: prominent business leaders, elected officials, celebrities, journalists, judges and lawyers.

The average Joe need not apply.

28 posted on 02/20/2011 8:30:38 AM PST by lowbridge (Rep. Dingell: "Its taken a long time.....to control the people.")
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To: Pharmboy

“I don’t believe people should be allowed to have guns in America,” Ms. Stewart, daughter of Martha, said in an interview, explaining that she bought a .357 Magnum after 9/11 — but would be happy to give it up if handguns were banned. “Having a swimming pool is way more dangerous than having a gun,” she added. “

Another moron with more money than brains. Fantastic logic you have there, idiot.


29 posted on 02/20/2011 8:38:23 AM PST by headstamp 2 ("My Boss is a Jewish Carpenter")
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To: Pharmboy
“I don’t believe people should be allowed to have guns in America,” Ms. Stewart, daughter of Martha, said in an interview, explaining that she bought a .357 Magnum after 9/11 — but would be happy to give it up if handguns were banned. “Having a swimming pool is way more dangerous than having a gun,”

This woman is not thinking, she is reacting on pure emotion. Guns are scary, so it is ok to ban them over pools. Twit

30 posted on 02/20/2011 8:51:03 AM PST by nerdwithagun (I'd rather go gun to gun then knife to knife.)
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To: Pharmboy; marktwain; Joe Brower; Travis McGee; ronnie raygun; GenXteacher; GVnana
Ah for the good old days when LIBERTY was in NY!


31 posted on 02/20/2011 8:57:09 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Visit the TOMMY FRANKS MILITARY MUSEUM in HOBART, OK. I did, well worth it!)
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To: Travis McGee
What a frakkin’ idjit.

But quite common for anyone who lives near NYC. I have read a couple of times, and have one friend say it outright, that there is a special version of the Constitution just for NYC. Due to the immense crowding they've encouraged, all of the Bill of Rights have special limitations on them. Especially the Second Amendment.

Most people out there, especially living in the richer areas of Manhattan, believe there are firefights in the streets of flyover country every day. That cannot be safe in such a crowded place as NYC, especially in the sacred district of Manhattan.

And, of course, NYC was the testing ground for DHS's "if you see something, say something" campaign, which they heartily endorsed. So you have an elitist city-state where anything is available through the government for the rich, famous, or "connected", while the "workers" are just happy to shut up, and hope for a few crumbs from the table of the ruling class.

32 posted on 02/20/2011 9:14:45 AM PST by 300winmag (Overkill never fails)
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To: headstamp; marktwain; Joe Brower; Travis McGee; ronnie raygun; GenXteacher; GVnana
THIS is what NY really wants!


33 posted on 02/20/2011 9:16:08 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Visit the TOMMY FRANKS MILITARY MUSEUM in HOBART, OK. I did, well worth it!)
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To: mmercier

As a psychiatrist who carries (psychiatrists ARE MDs, BTW) I find this info fascinating. Was this info from NYC, the article’s location, or was it nationwide?

Work-related morbidity and mortality figures are higher in the mental health field than in all others except king crab fishing, last I heard - that includes, and far outweighs, the risks of harm in law enforcement and the military.

You want war stories, talk to those who deal for a living with the mentally ill. Those who quote the agenda-driven studies to argue otherwise fail to mention that those studies routinely exclude from the study any patient that is either, 1) not taking his or her meds, 2) abusing drugs or alcohol, or 3) has a past history of violence! In many mental health populations, that’s about 10% or less of the population left to study. The notion propogated by the Left that the mentally ill are just harmless, lovable eccentrics is absolute garbage from a statistical standpoint.

You bet I carry.

Then think of the populations dealt with by certain lawyers, or emergency room physicians, and I think you’ve got your answer.


34 posted on 02/20/2011 9:25:00 AM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: Pharmboy

Btt


35 posted on 02/20/2011 10:11:51 AM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Pharmboy
“I don’t believe people should be allowed to have guns in America,” Ms. Stewart, daughter of Martha, said in an interview, explaining that she bought a .357 Magnum after 9/11 — but would be happy to give it up if handguns were banned.

Humility seems to be a strong trait in the Stewart family.

36 posted on 02/20/2011 10:18:27 AM PST by Moltke (Always retaliate first.)
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To: mmercier
If the info is from NYC I'll take a guess. Aside from the MD’s and Psych’s dealing with the mentally ill or having access to drugs and cash a maximum donation of $2300 to the mayor or machine poltico would help.

Multiply that many times as donations are funneled through the people employed by those professions till it numbers in the 10’s of thousands and voila’ a ccw is awarded.

Do I get any prize?

37 posted on 02/20/2011 10:19:45 AM PST by Polynikes (Haakkaa Paalle)
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To: GenXteacher
In reality there is no granting of "the privilege" of exercising a right. It's impossible to grant a person a right.

Rights are God-given. "Privileges" connote permission by the granter.

38 posted on 02/20/2011 10:31:47 AM PST by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the Hell Out of the Way!)
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To: Pharmboy
Guns are meant to be a check on Governmental power – just the same as the First Amendment, so Ms. Stewart, would you say this instead:

“I don’t believe people should be allowed to have guns Free-Speech in America,”?

39 posted on 02/20/2011 10:37:45 AM PST by StaffiT (New Year, New Name)
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To: Pharmboy

I refuse to go to NY and I refuse to do any business in NY. They refuse to honor any of the LTCs or military firearms quals. Screw them. I also try to convince my friends, neighbors, relatives, and business associates to do the same.


40 posted on 02/20/2011 10:49:14 AM PST by pabianice
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To: StaffiT

Many on the left believe just that...witness the “civil discourse” BS that popped up on the left after the Tucson shootings.


41 posted on 02/20/2011 11:27:57 AM PST by Pharmboy (What always made the state a hell has been that man tried to make it heaven-Hoelderlin)
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To: Pharmboy
The Sullivan Act was cooked up by a corrupt NYC ganster/pol to disarm his opponents.
42 posted on 02/20/2011 11:56:35 AM PST by Tribune7 (The Democrat Party is not a political organization but a religious cult.)
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To: Pharmboy
Yes, Let’s be clear about the matter: Liberals despise the concept of Liberty except for themselves.

And first on the list is anything that limits governmental power: The 1st and 2nd amendments.

Leftists are most likely envious of those repressive regimes in the ME that can shut down free-speech and shoot at people with impunity.

They would love to be able to do that over here.

43 posted on 02/20/2011 12:53:56 PM PST by StaffiT (New Year, New Name)
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To: All

THIS IS WHY A GUN PERMIT PROCESS IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

Equal protection under Amendment 14. The 2nd Amendment right is upheld for Alexis Stewart and others in a very small segment of the population but not for every other citizen of New York.

The permitting process allows the government sole disgression to deprive citizens of 2nd Amendment rights without a trial by jury.


44 posted on 02/20/2011 1:51:40 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (Huguenot)
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To: Pharmboy
“I don’t believe people should be allowed to have guns in America,” Ms. Stewart, daughter of Martha, said in an interview..."

...she bought a .357 Magnum after 9/11 — but would be happy to give it up if handguns were banned.

“Having a swimming pool is way more dangerous than having a gun,” she added.

I had no idea Martha Stewart used narcotics while pregnant. Would her demented spawn also favor banning those "way more dangerous" swimming pools?

45 posted on 02/20/2011 1:51:53 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: GenXteacher
8 million people live there....and yet only 37,000 are given the privilege to exercise a right that predates the Constitution and is guaranteed by it. Disgusting.

More disgusting is that many of those 37,000 are movers and shakers that have done everything in their power to prevent the other 7,973,000 from getting a gun (let alone carrying it for self-defense) legally. The hypocrisy is of the worst sort - it isn't just the usual "do as I say, not as I do" sort, it is the type that says "my life is worth far, far more than your, prole, to the point that I WANT to deny you any means to hurt me, knowing how you uneducated, uncultured idiots hate me so much."

As you say, disgusting. Oh, and unconstitutional, but go and find 5 honest justices in the Supreme Court. The day you do, make sure that I'm sitting before you tell me.

46 posted on 02/21/2011 3:31:52 PM PST by Ancesthntr (Tyrant: "Spartans, lay down your weapons." Free man: "Persian, come and get them!")
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