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Should Employers Be Allowed to Ask for Your Facebook Login?
The Atlantic ^ | 2/21/2011 | Staff

Posted on 02/21/2011 3:50:37 PM PST by FromLori

The American Civil Liberties Union has taken up the cause of a Maryland man who was forced to cough up his Facebook password during a job interview with the Department of Corrections in that state.

According to an ACLU letter sent to the Maryland Department of Corrections, the organization requires that new applicants and those applying for recertifications give the government "their social media account usernames and personal passwords for use in employee background checks."

The ACLU calls this policy "a frightening and illegal invasion of privacy" and I can't say that I disagree. Keep in mind that this isn't looking at what you've posted to a public Twitter account; the government agency here could look through private Facebook messages, which seems a lot like reading through your mail, paper or digital.

While it's not surprising that some employers might want to snoop in your social media life, it strikes me as a remarkable misapprehension of what Facebook is to think that it should be wholly open for background investigations. Legally, things are probably more complex, but it seems commonsensical that carte blanche access to your communications should be off-limits.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord
Hire=Private sector. Elect=Public sector. See above for a bit more rationalization.

But thanks, I'll take a "congrats" whenever I can get one!


51 posted on 02/21/2011 5:27:15 PM PST by I see my hands (You can know the young posters by the desperate optimism in their posts.)
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To: FromLori

Login? No. ID? Sure.


52 posted on 02/21/2011 5:28:22 PM PST by discostu (this is definitely not my confused face)
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To: PapaBear3625
Seems like if you MUST have a facebook acct, have two: one that you associate with your real name and have innocuous drivel in, and another under a fake name to do your real interaction with friends with.

The thing about Facebook is that it is pretty much useless if you don't use your real name.

53 posted on 02/21/2011 5:34:42 PM PST by Gena Bukin
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To: pointsal

True ... but we have nothing to hide here, we are a polite and civil forum.


54 posted on 02/21/2011 5:38:25 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Repeal The 17th
And I should be allowed to respond with, “What is this thing that you call facebook?”

Of course, if you do have a Facebook account and your employer later discovers it, you'd be in a position to get fired for lying on your application.

The best idea is that if you are job hunting, simply delete your FB account. You can always reopen it later.

55 posted on 02/21/2011 5:38:46 PM PST by Gena Bukin
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To: Gena Bukin

“The thing about Facebook is that it is pretty much useless if you don’t use your real name.”

Nope, if you only friend people you know in meatworld, you’ll know everyone’s fake names.

And they’ll laugh at your choice of profile picture.

Oh your high school classmates won’t be able to find you. And there are other plusses too!


56 posted on 02/21/2011 5:41:48 PM PST by DBrow
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To: PapaBear3625
I’m not on facebook. FR handles all my online needs.

Moi aussi.

ML/NJ

57 posted on 02/21/2011 5:49:38 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: EBH

Sure .... it’s Super secure.

During a recent password audit, it was found that I was using the following password:

“MickeyMinniePlutoHueyLouieDeweyDonaldGoofySacramento”

When asked why I had such a long password, I said
I was told that it had to be at least 8 characters
long and include at least one capital.


58 posted on 02/21/2011 5:54:43 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: oh8eleven
The ACLU finally gets one right.

The ACLU does get it right from time to time. Not as much as they get it wrong, IMHO, but credit is quite due where it is deserved.

59 posted on 02/21/2011 6:12:51 PM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|http://pure-gas.org)
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To: FromLori

Sorry.... I don’t have a FB account.


60 posted on 02/21/2011 6:26:15 PM PST by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: troy McClure
"Why would anyone even have a Face book acct? You would have to be dumber than a box of rocks."

The GOP got it's a** handed to it in 2008 when Insane McCain said he didn't know how to send an e-mail. The Leftists are using social networking media to advance their agenda, and were whipping our butts good until our side started pulling its heads out of the Stone Age, and started using FB, Twitter, etc. to fight back.

Because our enemies are using it, we have to use it. Get out of the Stone Age and face reality...FB is here to stay, just as cars, planes, microwaves, and cellphones are here to stay.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

61 posted on 02/21/2011 6:38:32 PM PST by wku man (Still holding my breath, but exhaling a bit after Nov. 2...)
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To: Gena Bukin
"The best idea is that if you are job hunting, simply delete your FB account. You can always reopen it later."

Or ask yourself if you really want to work for a company/agency that is so intrusive that you have to give up your privacy.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

62 posted on 02/21/2011 6:41:42 PM PST by wku man (Still holding my breath, but exhaling a bit after Nov. 2...)
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To: PapaBear3625
If they can ask for your Facebook account, they can ask for "any online forums and accounts, your username and your login." If you lie and say you don't have an account on FR and they do a lie detector test, you can be dropped from consideration for lying on your application.
63 posted on 02/21/2011 6:47:12 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: wku man
Or ask yourself if you really want to work for a company/agency that is so intrusive that you have to give up your privacy.

Sadly, beggars can't be choosers these days and employers know this. If you want a paycheck, you gotta stand in line with a whole bunch of people who would gladly bend over and spill their FB passwords while saying "thank you for giving me a chance!"

64 posted on 02/21/2011 6:49:41 PM PST by Gena Bukin
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To: AppyPappy

(shrug) I know nothing about Facebook and have zero interest. In fact, I think it’s crazy. If I was doing the hiring, an applicant having a Facebook account in the first place would give me pause.


65 posted on 02/21/2011 6:49:52 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: FromLori; Peanut Gallery

I wonder if they’d figure out I’m not 106 years old...


66 posted on 02/21/2011 6:50:32 PM PST by Professional Engineer (Conservative States of America has a nice ring to it.)
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To: FromLori
To all the people on this thread who are saying, "Don't have anything on Facebook," this would also include Free Republic. What they want is a list of any forum accounts to which you are a member.
67 posted on 02/21/2011 6:51:27 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: Lancey Howard

“If I was doing the hiring, an applicant having a Facebook account in the first place would give me pause.”

Welcome to 1990.


68 posted on 02/21/2011 6:56:06 PM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: FromLori

Just don’t have Facebook or Twitter accounts.


69 posted on 02/21/2011 6:57:27 PM PST by Ted Grant
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To: Lancey Howard
They're also asking for all online forums, which includes Free Republic. This is a governmental agency doing this, and it's part of the new policy to filter people out.

They want the twits. They want the people who will submit. They do not want competent people.

70 posted on 02/21/2011 6:58:55 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: FromLori

Yes, an employer should be able to ask for this information. An employee should have nothing to hide from his boss and there should be no secrets kept from the boss.


71 posted on 02/21/2011 7:01:19 PM PST by Walts Ice Pick
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To: Ted Grant
What about your Free Republic account? They want that, too.

Why do so many people on here think having a Free Republic account is different from having a Facebook or Twitter account? If you're a member of an online forum and post messages, they want to know your user name and login. There's no exemption for Free Republic, or for that matter, for DU.

72 posted on 02/21/2011 7:02:59 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: clee1

You have a Free Republic account. They want that, too.


73 posted on 02/21/2011 7:03:59 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: Walts Ice Pick

You’re being facetious, right?


74 posted on 02/21/2011 7:07:46 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: Richard Kimball

How on earth would being registered at Free Republic ever become known to a prospective employer?


75 posted on 02/21/2011 7:16:40 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

Facebook has at least 90,000,000 clients, maybe they are over a hundred million by now. Add in Myspace, Livejournal, Tumblr and the rest and you will find yourself refusing to hire 200,000,000 people.

I use FB for politics local and national. Twitter, for the same reason. I am a b/tard on 4chan, for political idea-spreading as well. Our enemies already have an infrastructure online and in the social nets they use for rapid communications and fund raising. If we ignore it we’ll always be wondering what happened.

I have an email account I use to sign up for all the left politicians and DSUSA, CPUSA, and the like to keep up with their online propaganda. If you wish to see what’s coming up, it helps a lot.


76 posted on 02/21/2011 7:31:00 PM PST by DBrow
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To: Lancey Howard

“How on earth would being registered at Free Republic ever become known to a prospective employer?”

If you say you don’t in writing on an application and they find out later, lets say they look at your internet use, or they hear you mention “well, I posted that on FR”, you can get canned for lying on your application.

If you have a TS clearance and they ask, you say no, then later you get that as a polygraph question, you are toast.

Basically if you lie you might get caught lying.

Monthly donor? If somehow they audit your credit card bill (happens for some clearances and the thread article is for the Corrections Department) you’ll get caught.


77 posted on 02/21/2011 7:36:32 PM PST by DBrow
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To: Lancey Howard
I deal with fire departments and prospective firefighters. After filling out the application, which is frequently thirty to forty pages, they review this and do a criminal background and credit rating check.

After this, they do a lie detector test. If your lie detector test comes back that you've been deceptive in answering questions on your application, they will dismiss you from the hiring process. You're living in the old world. If you apply with a governmental agency now, you're a suspect. They want your bank account numbers, your investment portfolio, all groups to which you belong, and dozens of other pieces of information. According to EEOC, they're not supposed to ask about your family, but I know of many agencies that ask if you are divorced, and if you are divorced, they want the contact information for your ex-spouse. If you decline to answer any questions, you are removed from consideration, and if you come back as being deceptive on the lie detector test, you are also dismissed from consideration.

78 posted on 02/21/2011 7:43:52 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: DBrow; Richard Kimball

This is why I am self-employed.
I work for me, not for somebody else.


79 posted on 02/21/2011 8:04:00 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Richard Kimball

Yeah, sorta, I guess. I suppose they should be allowed to ask anything they want. Employee should decide if and how to answer.


80 posted on 02/21/2011 8:08:25 PM PST by Walts Ice Pick
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To: Richard Kimball

I’d just lie and say don’t have any.


81 posted on 02/21/2011 8:11:56 PM PST by Ted Grant
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To: pointsal
What about FREEPER postings???? Those live on forever.

But use caution.
Some people seem to like to post listings of all posts in FR to attempt to smear us.
In fact, there's someone named, "Brian," who's done just that with me and my posts.
Over here:
ABC 7NEWS (Denver)
Quite funny, at times, being the victim of stalking habits.
But, I'm not worried. (He's probably reading this right now)
82 posted on 02/21/2011 8:15:44 PM PST by RandallFlagg (Let this chant follow BHO everywhere he goes: "You lie. You lie. You lie.")
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To: Lancey Howard

That’s a good move. When I got into government service, it wasn’t so intrusive. Part of the problem is that once someone is off probation for civil service it’s practically impossible to fire them. So, they give you a real anal probe on the way in.


83 posted on 02/21/2011 8:22:38 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: FromLori

I don’t use Facebook or Myspace or Twitter. Never will understand the appeal.

I also would never give anyone my passwords to anything.


84 posted on 02/21/2011 8:23:08 PM PST by packrat35 (America is rapidly becoming a police state that East Germany could be proud of!)
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To: Ted Grant

Check my post #78.


85 posted on 02/21/2011 8:23:35 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: Leo Farnsworth
LOL. I like that type of password.

If they ask for my facebook login, I will gladly volunteer to give them a stool sample instead.

Right after I tell them to FOAD.

It ain't their business. My passwords and my social networking is my business alone. Some a-hole control freak can take a hike.

What next? Are they gonna try to get someone's FR login and password?

86 posted on 02/21/2011 8:32:19 PM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: Richard Kimball
Maybe its just me, but I would NEVER consent to that kind of check PERIOD! I have capitalized 2 words because they are NOT negotiable.
87 posted on 02/21/2011 8:35:10 PM PST by packrat35 (America is rapidly becoming a police state that East Germany could be proud of!)
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To: Lancey Howard
> I know nothing about Facebook and have zero interest. In fact, I think it’s crazy. If I was doing the hiring, an applicant having a Facebook account in the first place would give me pause.

What about a FR account?

88 posted on 02/21/2011 8:38:22 PM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: packrat35

It’s not just you. However, there are people who will, and that’s part of the point, I think. It recruits a certain type of individual, specifically one that doesn’t believe in the fourth amendment.


89 posted on 02/21/2011 8:41:39 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: Lancey Howard

A good place to be. Congratulations on success after, no doubt, real work to get there!

But do check out online communications for politics, or good people like you will be cut out.


90 posted on 02/21/2011 8:45:33 PM PST by DBrow
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To: SIDENET
What about a FR account?

Hire them on the spot!

91 posted on 02/21/2011 9:14:06 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Gena Bukin
If you want a paycheck, you gotta stand in line with a whole bunch of people who would gladly bend over and spill their FB passwords while saying "thank you for giving me a chance!"

Only for those who lack the entrepreneurial spirit. It's not the easiest thing in the world to start a business and create your own job, especially today, but whether the effort is worth it depends on how sick and tired you are of a**hole bosses meddling in your personal life.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

92 posted on 02/21/2011 9:21:28 PM PST by wku man (Still holding my breath, but exhaling a bit after Nov. 2...)
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To: Lancey Howard

LOL, I’m good with that!


93 posted on 02/22/2011 12:56:12 AM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: FromLori

I lost my Facebook account info in the boating tragedy I’ve been telling you about....


94 posted on 02/22/2011 1:31:57 AM PST by WePledge (Semper Fidelis)
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To: FromLori

Of course employers are allowed to ask the question; but they can’t force an answer. If a potential employee doesn’t like such a policy, they are free to take their labor elsewhere...


95 posted on 02/22/2011 1:38:56 AM PST by sargon (I don't like the sound of these "boncentration bamps")
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To: sargon

I suppose if the employer is a public entity, then Constitutional objections could probably be raised...


96 posted on 02/22/2011 1:47:22 AM PST by sargon (I don't like the sound of these "boncentration bamps")
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To: Repeal The 17th
And I should be allowed to respond with, “What is this thing that you call facebook?”

I don't even know what a "Login" is.

97 posted on 02/22/2011 6:52:44 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (I disagree with what you say but will defend to the death your right to say it -Voltaire)
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To: I see my hands
Hire=Private sector. Elect=Public sector. See above for a bit more rationalization.

Ah, but i wasn't saying a thing about Sarah Palin as an elected person. In fact, to the best of my knowledge, she's not holding an office or running for office.

i believe that was another poster who questioned you on that matter. i did not.

Again, congratulations you've just disqualified Sarah Palin from employment in your company.

98 posted on 02/22/2011 2:52:31 PM PST by Calvinist_Dark_Lord ((I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper))
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord
Congratulations on ferreting out the obvious. Yes, you understood correctly that when I said I wouldn't hire anyone with a Face Book account that I was including those with Face Book accounts.

I don't know but I suspect that if SP quit being a pol she's also quit the lunacy of maintaining an account on FB.


99 posted on 02/22/2011 3:02:31 PM PST by I see my hands (You can know the young posters by the desperate optimism in their posts.)
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To: FromLori

I would never surrender personal information (such as login passwords) to any interviewer. Might as well ask for my ATM pin number while you’re at it and my paypal login info.

It’s all data mining. Anyone who WOULD surrender such information should be rejected on the spot as he’d be a potential leak for privileged CLIENT information.


100 posted on 03/15/2011 3:38:57 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The biggest waste of brainpower is to want to change something that's not changeable. -Albert Brooks)
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